Why is there so much QQ about World of Warcraft?

I'm going to go ahead and stop arguing this point, neither you haters or I have any facts to back anything we say up, so it is simply becoming a fight to see who has the biggest ego.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]If you're gonna rip off WARHAMMER then it better have some PvP. I guess they should take the WAR out of Craft. :|Mr_Apple_Soup

i think they should just take the Warcraft out all together. it was a sad day when i learned my beloved RTS series had become an MMO, an MMO with subscription fees

I'm going to go ahead and stop arguing this point, neither you haters or I have any facts to back anything we say up, so it is simply becoming a fight to see who has the biggest ego.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'm going to go ahead and stop arguing this point, neither you haters or I have any facts to back anything we say up, so it is simply becoming a fight to see who has the biggest ego.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'm going to go ahead and stop arguing this point, neither you haters or I have any facts to back anything we say up, so it is simply becoming a fight to see who has the biggest ego.

Ibacai

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Anyone who complains about PvP is kidding themselves. I don't know a single person who actually played the game for the pvp at all. Maybe as a side thing when you aren't raiding or running an instance, but it clearly wasn't designed with a completely pvp experience in mind. If you want pvp I can recommend youa myriad of games that are for that.

Vaasman

I seriously can not see WoW going on like it is now after the next expansion.SparkyProtocol

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

The only thing I don't like about wow right now is the lack of 40-mans and how rediculously easy it is to get epics. If the stat of one epic isn't nearly as good as the stat of the other, make the first one blue not purple. And I hate seeing everyone in SW look the SAME. In the SAME exact gear. Did I mention how everyone looks the SAME?

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

DucksBrains

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

shakmaster13

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

shakmaster13

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

It has over 11.5 million people playing it. Of course there is going to be vocal of opinions against it. Its natural.skrat_01

Only around 4 million of them actually pay monthly fees though. Most of the people that play wow are in east asia with different payment plans.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

Lethalhazard

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

Well it's better than seeing every 2v2 teams being DK and retardin. I used to play ret back when it was possibly the worst pvp spec after elemental shaman and I still loved it better than this. For some reason I like BG's better because it requires more coordination and team work as opposed to who can crit 8k first.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

shakmaster13

Well it's better than seeing every 2v2 teams being DK and retardin. I used to play ret back when it was possibly the worst pvp spec after elemental shaman and I still loved it better than this. For some reason I like BG's better because it requires more coordination and team work as opposed to who can crit 8k first.

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

At one time I thought WoW was the greatest game ever created, back in 2005 before the expansions. One of the biggest problems for me was that your accomplishments mean nothing now. Back then, anyone riding an epic mount from ANOTHER race was considered a GOD!! Back then, epic items were really epic, and seeing a character in full epic gear meant they were veterans who knew the game well. Now, you can just buy almost any level 60 mount you'd like, cheap "epic" gear can be obtained very easily when you max out, and any rare or amazing collectibles you obtain (like the Murloc pet and the Deathcharger Reins) mean nothing after a year because eventually everyone will get something just as cool later on. I know someone who cleared the UD Stratholme dungeon nearly 1,000 times before he got his super rare Deathcharger Rein's. Could you imagine the look on his face when he realized that in this expansion every Death Knight was going to get the same mount for free? That's World of Warcraft for you........you waste hundreds of hours of your life to be at the top of your game and be unique but only for a few months before the next Season or Tier gear shows up and you're back at the bottom.TheBigBadGRIM

If people know whats good for them they will stop playing WoW....It was only good up to the point you hit max level.

[QUOTE="DucksBrains"]

WoW started off great in Vanilla and got progressively worse with each expansion. Particularly with the introduction of arenas.

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Yet, arena is much more imbalanced =/. They just don't have a way to gauge skill in battlegrounds at the moment.Lethalhazard

Well it's better than seeing every 2v2 teams being DK and retardin. I used to play ret back when it was possibly the worst pvp spec after elemental shaman and I still loved it better than this. For some reason I like BG's better because it requires more coordination and team work as opposed to who can crit 8k first.

I feel you man. Ever since my TBC came out I have absolutely hated doing PVP with my elemental shaman. I was ok with the nerfing of frostshock for all shamans, but I mean come on, did they have to completely destroy our talent tree?

I am actually getting to the point where I think I am going to quit WoW for the first time in a very long time. And the PVE sorta died for me after I killed Illidan. I think I'll just quit the game before the next expansion, because as imbalanced as the WAR sieges are, I actually found them quite fun back when the game came out so maybe I'll just hit it up again.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

Well it's better than seeing every 2v2 teams being DK and retardin. I used to play ret back when it was possibly the worst pvp spec after elemental shaman and I still loved it better than this. For some reason I like BG's better because it requires more coordination and team work as opposed to who can crit 8k first.

shakmaster13

I feel you man. Ever since my TBC came out I have absolutely hated doing PVP with my elemental shaman. I was ok with the nerfing of frostshock for all shamans, but I mean come on, did they have to completely destroy our talent tree?

I am actually getting to the point where I think I am going to quit WoW for the first time in a very long time. And the PVE sorta died for me after I killed Illidan. I think I'll just quit the game before the next expansion, because as imbalanced as the WAR sieges are, I actually found them quite fun back when the game came out so maybe I'll just hit it up again.

If people know whats good for them they will stop playing WoW....It was only good up to the point you hit max level.

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

If people know whats good for them they will stop playing WoW....It was only good up to the point you hit max level.

TheBigBadGRIM

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

I am so glad I'm not the only person who wants the old pvp system back. Right now there is practically NO POINT to doing battlegrounds because arena gear is just so much better.

Lethalhazard

If people know whats good for them they will stop playing WoW....It was only good up to the point you hit max level.

mattisgod01

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

If people know whats good for them they will stop playing WoW....It was only good up to the point you hit max level.

TheBigBadGRIM

The true end game was the TM/SS raids :P. And you had to be 60 to survive there, so yes I agree with this statement.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] If you want PVP you need to unsub and play Warhammer. :)SparkyProtocol

I tried it and the game did seem too easy. I grew up on hard games and this is just another easy one that requires little to no skill.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

If people know whats good for them they will stop playing WoW....It was only good up to the point you hit max level.

Zero5000X

I think its something you only realise after you have quit the game and look back at the countless hours you spent playing. All the good memories came before hitting max level.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

WoWs PvP is still better, even if its way more unbalanced. It has better controls and an overall polished feeling...Lethalhazard

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] Hell no. I'll give you polished since it has been out so long but bette? Nope. Not even slightly close.

[QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"] That's World of Warcraft for you........you waste hundreds of hours of your life to be at the top of your game and be unique but only for a few months before the next Season or Tier gear shows up and you're back at the bottom.Vandalvideo

Such as...?

The whole point of wow is the carrot on the stick mentality of trying to lure players to keep trying to have the best gear and rerolling by making some classes more overpowered than others.

Such as...? The whole point of wow is the carrot on the stick mentality of trying to lure players to keep trying to have the best gear and rerolling by making some classes more overpowered than others.shakmaster13

I love WoW. I am taking a break from it right now but there is just so much positive things i could say about WoW. rybe1025

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]I love WoW. I am taking a break from it right now but there is just so much positive things i could say about WoW. aero250

You don't need one.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Such as...? The whole point of wow is the carrot on the stick mentality of trying to lure players to keep trying to have the best gear and rerolling by making some classes more overpowered than others.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] It isn't ultima or darkfall. WoW is NOT whatever you want it to be.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]Such as...? The whole point of wow is the carrot on the stick mentality of trying to lure players to keep trying to have the best gear and rerolling by making some classes more overpowered than others.Vandalvideo

What story? Blizzard already butchered the lore, sewed it back up, and performed necrophelia on it.

The thing is with most non-sandbox and story driven (of which there are practically none at this point, but TOR may change that) MMO's there is a specific point. That point is achievements. The game tries to make you feel like you have achieved something. In world of warcraft, this achievement is gear. Why else is it that nearly everyone is decked with full epics right now? Because blizzard is trying to make everyone feel like they have achieved something so they keep throwing their cash at them. But what they haven't realized is that once you give everyone epics, no one will feel special anymore. They can push out newer content with +1 stamina upgrades on gear but eventually people will step back and realize that this is not fun. Not fun at all. Kind of like what happened to me. I am nearly at the point of quitting wow. The pvp is horribly imbalanced, and the pve has grown stale in the sense that there no longer is a sense of achievement in beating the same bosses over and over again for loot thats slightly better. People say YS with 0 guardians is the hardest raid ever. If so than why did the guild exodus accomplish it not even two months into the instance? How long did it take for ragnaros to be killed in pre-tbc?

Some people think it's dumbed-down from their favorite MMORPG, some people hate it because it was on Family Guy, some people hate it because they think it ruined Warcraft lore, some people hate the genre in general (probably because Yahtzee told them to), some people hold to the "waste away your life" stereotype, and some people hate it because it's popular.

And some people just don't enjoy it, but that's a different case.

I've noticed nothing but hate and massive crying about how World of Warcraft is too easy and casual. I've been playing since 2005 and Blizzard's continuing support for the king of MMOs has kept me playing ever since, so I'm at a loss for why people would seek to bash the game for not giving players enough or making the experience too easy.

The main argument is that you see too many people running around with epics these days due to how easy the dungeons are. Yeah, okay, the difficulty has been axed quite a bit since the vanilla WoW days of C'Thun and Ragnaros. But Blizzard's new philosophy is to make the dungeons beatable for casuals while giving us encounters that can be tackled if we want that extra challenge. Based on all these complaints, it's as if people are playing a game on easy mode only, and then complaining that the developer didn't add any challenge.

Heard of Yogg+0? It's Yogg-Saron, the final boss of Ulduar, with all of his watcher adds. According to Stars, the Chinese guild that was the first in the world to do this encounter, Yogg+0 is the hardest raid in WoW's history right now. In an interview with MMO-Champion, they said, "Definitely, this one is harder than any other bosses in the history of WoW, the Sunwell is not even comparable with it. Algalon too is considered to be incredibly difficult - Blizzard christened him "Algalon the Raid Destroyer".

So you see that while the base of WoW's raids are basically accomplishable, there's significant challenge for those that want it. I think it's great that high-level content and gear isn't there for the hardcore WoW nerds anymore, and that everyone has a chance at getting it.

princeofshapeir

because they are all the people who can't afford it

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] Even though I don't care to play it. You can do whatever and be whatever you want in Darkfall. Aslong as it is not a robot that shoots kittens and everything else that does not fit in a fantasy game.Vandalvideo