Why isnt the Ps3 selling well?

A couple of reasons. Mainly price and the fact that Sony does poor marketing.

Ha ha am I the only one who understands that? Its wrong because $199 is NOT greater than $399. Quite the opposite infact. $399 > $199. The maths is really quite simple...Spankyqwerty

1. It is the most expensive console on the market.

2. Blue-Ray was not the impact it was supposed to be.

3. You can get 90% of its library on a console that costs $200 less.

4. The overall critic agrees that the 360 hs the best game library.

5. Poor marketin.

1. It is the most expensive console on the market.

2. Blue-Ray was not the impact it was supposed to be.

3. You can get 90% of its library on a console that costs $200 less.

4. The overall critic agrees that the 360 hs the best game library.

5. Poor marketin.

IronBass

I agree with the first one

I agree with the blue ray but if the PS 3 lowers it's price that will help it in the long run having the added blue ray

90 % I think not Solid Snake, Uncharted 1 and 2, Kratos, Sackboy and many others would like a word with you

Most awards were given to PS 3 Gears wasn't even a contendor for GOTY while in most sites MGS 4 and Little Big Planet won

I agree with the poor marketing

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

1. It is the most expensive console on the market.

2. Blue-Ray was not the impact it was supposed to be.

3. You can get 90% of its library on a console that costs $200 less.

4. The overall critic agrees that the 360 hs the best game library.

5. Poor marketin.

tek91

I agree with the first one

I agree with the blue ray but if the PS 3 lowers it's price that will help it in the long run having the added blue ray

90 % I think not Solid Snake, Uncharted 1 and 2, Kratos, Sackboy and many others would like a word with you

Most awards were given to PS 3 Gears wasn't even a contendor for GOTY while in most sites MGS 4 and Little Big Planet won

I agree with the poor marketing

Um Sony's in house games do not make up more then 10% of the PS3 library hate to break it to you.

Because it's nearly twice the price of the competition.

It's not rocket science.

1. It is the most expensive console on the market.

2. Blue-Ray was not the impact it was supposed to be.

3. You can get 90% of its library on a console that costs $200 less.

4. The overall critic agrees that the 360 hs the best game library.

5. Poor marketin.

I agree with the first one

I agree with the blue ray but if the PS 3 lowers it's price that will help it in the long run having the added blue ray

90 % I think not Solid Snake, Uncharted 1 and 2, Kratos, Sackboy and many others would like a word with you

Most awards were given to PS 3 Gears wasn't even a contendor for GOTY while in most sites MGS 4 and Little Big Planet won

I agree with the poor marketing

You are being too specific with your examples. You are talking about Gamespot only and about Gears only. The 360 exclsive or shered-with-the-pc library goes far beyond that. And Gears 2 has been critically adored, more than MGS4 (by Gamerankings). And I havent denied the fact that the PS3 has some very interesting exclusives, but they are not more than 10% of its whole library.

Gamespot, VG Chartz, Spike tv, n4g, giantbomb etc

can you list me one site where Gears 2 beat out any PS 3 game for GOTY

And if you wanna talk about game ranking Little Big Planet outranked Gears 2

LBP - 94.4 % Gears of war 2 - 93.6%

10% more like 50

MGS 4, LBP, Twisted Metal, Valkyre Chronicles, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Resistance 1 and 2, Killzone 2, Motorstorm, Final Fantasy XII Versus, Haze, Lair, inFAMOUS, White Knights Chronicles, Heavy Rain, L.A. Noire, God of War 3, Ratchet and Clank, a rockstar exclusive title coming, Warhawk

the list goes on ill just leave it at that for now

You are being too specific with your examples. You are talking about Gamespot only and about Gears only. The 360 exclsive or shered-with-the-pc library goes far beyond that. And Gears 2 has been critically adored, more than MGS4 (by Gamerankings). And I havent denied the fact that the PS3 has some very interesting exclusives, but they are not more than 10% of its whole library.

Gamespot, VG Chartz, Spike tv, n4g, giantbomb etc

can you list me one site where Gears 2 beat out any PS 3 game for GOTY

And if you wanna talk about game ranking Little Big Planet outranked Gears 2

LBP - 94.4 % Gears of war 2 - 93.6%

10% more like 50

MGS 4, LBP, Twisted Metal, Valkyre Chronicles, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Resistance 1 and 2, Killzone 2, Motorstorm, Final Fantasy XII Versus, Haze, Lair, inFAMOUS, White Knights Chronicles, Heavy Rain, L.A. Noire, God of War 3, Ratchet and Clank, a rockstar exclusive title coming, Warhawk

the list goes on ill just leave it at that for now

1. It is the most expensive console on the market.

2. Blue-Ray was not the impact it was supposed to be.

3. You can get 90% of its library on a console that costs $200 less.

4. The overall critic agrees that the 360 hs the best game library.

5. Poor marketin.

IronBass

Secondly, anyone saying the 360 has the best game library are either fanboys (and there are a lot of them for MS) or you are quoting from last year when that statement was 100% accurate. This holiday season Sony has made up the ground IMO and has just as good of a library to offer. Anyone saying otherwise is just blind or a fanboy.

Thirdly, I agree with the 90% of the library can be found on the X360.......but again the same thing can be said about X360's library. It's the exclusives that are supposed to sway people one way or another. Do people go for Halo, Gears, Mass Effect, Forza, ect..... or do they want KillZone, God of War, Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet, MGS4, ect....

Bottom line, the only reason why the PS3 is doing so bad in sales is because it's the most expensive as you stated in your number one reason. Everything else really has nothing to do with it and the 4th qtr sales prove that.

only real reason why is because of its price tag

and the no game argument is dead btw

Secondly, anyone saying the 360 has the best game library are either fanboys (and there are a lot of them for MS) or you are quoting from last year when that statement was 100% accurate. This holiday season Sony has made up the ground IMO and has just as good of a library to offer. Anyone saying otherwise is just blind or a fanboy.

darthogre

I didn't said the 360 library was better, I simply said the overall critic considers it better. A look at Metacritic, Gamerankings or simply here at Gamespot shows that.

Thirdly, I agree with the 90% of the library can be found on the X360.......but again the same thing can be said about X360's library. darthogre

True, but the difference is that those games can be played on a 360 for $200 less, that's why that arguments benefits the 360 more than it does the PS3.

No games, and too expensive. Plus the controller is 13 years old. No innovation. Basically, because aside from name recognition there's no compelling reason to buy a PS3.kevbo77

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]No games, and too expensive. Plus the controller is 13 years old. No innovation. Basically, because aside from name recognition there's no compelling reason to buy a PS3.tek91

And then PS3 will drop price and then 360 will drop price and then the Wii will keep selling at $250 so whats your point?

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

1. It is the most expensive console on the market.

2. Blue-Ray was not the impact it was supposed to be.

3. You can get 90% of its library on a console that costs $200 less.

4. The overall critic agrees that the 360 hs the best game library.

5. Poor marketin.

darthogre

How would you know that the fact that the PS3 has Blu Ray contributed millions of sales? Anecdotal evidence (ie "I know people who bought the PS3 for the Blu Ray player") is not enough to support such a claim. You'd need some factual evidence. Plus, the PS3 hasn't had the advantage of being the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market for quite a while now, as prices have dropped significantly since the format debuted.

Secondly, anyone saying the 360 has the best game library are either fanboys (and there are a lot of them for MS) or you are quoting from last year when that statement was 100% accurate. This holiday season Sony has made up the ground IMO and has just as good of a library to offer. Anyone saying otherwise is just blind or a fanboy.

Anyone who says the Xbox 360 has a better library than the PS3 is either blind or a fanboy? Are you serious? According to Gamerankings, Metacritic and, yes, even GameSpot, the Xbox 360 has more exclusive A, AA and AAA games. This is a fact. The only category the PS3 wins in is AAAA exclusives since they have MGS 4. Given that one AAAA does not overrule every game on the Xbox 360, believing that the Xbox 360 has the best library of the two is a perfectly reasonable assertion.

Thirdly, I agree with the 90% of the library can be found on the X360.......but again the same thing can be said about X360's library. It's the exclusives that are supposed to sway people one way or another. Do people go for Halo, Gears, Mass Effect, Forza, ect..... or do they want KillZone, God of War, Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet, MGS4, ect....

I don't know if you've ever had the displeasure of working in retail but if you haven't, allow me to tell you that you're giving consumers too much credit.

The average real world consumer doesn't think like the average System Wars poster. The casual consumer (which makes up the majority of any system's consumer base) doesn't do research and compare exclusive libraries before they buy. They just want a console that they can play Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto or Madden on and many people are going to see that $199 or $299 Xbox 360 and buy that as opposed to paying $100 or $200 more for the PS3, as evidenced by the Xbox 360's higher sales.

Yes, there are going to be some consumers who do adequate research before they buy and those who want the PS3 for LBP, MGS 4 and Killzone 2 but they are far from making up the average.

Bottom line, the only reason why the PS3 is doing so bad in sales is because it's the most expensive as you stated in your number one reason. Everything else really has nothing to do with it and the 4th qtr sales prove that.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

True, but the difference is that those games can be played on a 360 for $200 less, that's why that arguments benefits the 360 more than it does the PS3.

Secondly, anyone saying the 360 has the best game library are either fanboys (and there are a lot of them for MS) or you are quoting from last year when that statement was 100% accurate. This holiday season Sony has made up the ground IMO and has just as good of a library to offer. Anyone saying otherwise is just blind or a fanboy.

I didn't said the 360 library was better, I simply said the overall critic considers it better. A look at Metacritic, Gamerankings or simply here at Gamespot shows that.

But that goes to the Price argument, it has nothing to do with games. I already said the price of the PS3 is the one thing that is hurting the PS3, saying the X360 being $200 cheaper is saying the same thing. It's like you are using the same reason twice. darthogre

Games have nothing to do with that? Are you serious? If the PS3 lineup were considered far better than the 360's, havinf far more exclusives etc etc, (like the PS2) a lot more of people would buy it.

Look the PS2 again. The GC was cheaper, but the PS2's lineup blew the GC's (according to the critic) out of the water. And the people bought more PS2 than GC, even if it was more expensive.

And like I said, Metacritic and Gamerankings will include a lot of fanboy sites that lean one way or another. That's like saying Halo 3 is better than any game Sony has on the PS3 because it's overall gamerankings proves it.....not it doesn't. Just because you have a bunch of fanboys that love the Halo series thinks it's perfect doesn't make it so. Overall MS and Sony offer the same experience with their exclusvies IMO.....the key difference is price.darthogre

That's completely offtopic. Why the critic says one thing or another should be saved for another topic. Fact is, that the overall critic agrees that the 360 lineup is better. Of course, that's not a fact, and everyone of us may disagree.

I was just quoting the critic's opinion.

Games have nothing to do with that? Are you serious? If the PS3 lineup were considered far better than the 360's, havinf far more exclusives etc etc, (like the PS2) a lot more of people would buy it.

are you serious ? look at the wii the wiis killing both systems in sales wii sports is the best selling game of all time now does that mean wii sport is better than any PS 3 /360 game. alot of people are buyng the wii that does not mean it's games are better.

Look the PS2 again. The GC was cheaper, but the PS2's lineup blew the GC's (according to the critic) out of the water. And the people bought more PS2 than GC, even if it was more expensive.

the GC wasnt cheaper by much, like I said before the 8 months is what you need to see

people want a PS 3 when PS 3 dropped it's price and was still more expensie than the 360 it managed to outsell it for 8 months.

If as you say it's the games when that price cut happened the xbox would have outsold the PS 3 for those 8 months and would not be forced to change it's price to $199.

those 8 months speaks for themselves.

That's completely offtopic. Why the critic says one thing or another should be saved for another topic. Fact is, that the overall critic agrees that the 360 lineup is better. Of course, that's not a fact, and everyone of us may disagree.

I was just quoting the critic's opinion.

Most critics gave PS 3 games higher ratings than 360 and most PS 3 games like LBP and MGS 4 got GOTY

[QUOTE="darthogre"]But that goes to the Price argument, it has nothing to do with games. I already said the price of the PS3 is the one thing that is hurting the PS3, saying the X360 being $200 cheaper is saying the same thing. It's like you are using the same reason twice. IronBass

Games have nothing to do with that? Are you serious? If the PS3 lineup were considered far better than the 360's, havinf far more exclusives etc etc, (like the PS2) a lot more of people would buy it.

Look the PS2 again. The GC was cheaper, but the PS2's lineup blew the GC's (according to the critic) out of the water. And the people bought more PS2 than GC, even if it was more expensive.

Whyats more appealing?

A $199 console with 700 games or a $399 with 350?

Of course PS3 isnt selling well. Its not as good as the others competitors :?

Whyats more appealing?

A $199 console with 700 games or a $399 with 350?

Of course PS3 isnt selling well. Its not as good as the others competitors :?

PAL360

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Whyats more appealing?

A $199 console with 700 games or a $399 with 350?

Of course PS3 isnt selling well. Its not as good as the others competitors :?

tek91

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink

its about price and games.

right now, 360 has both over PS3.

simpel as that.

Whyats more appealing?

A $199 console with 700 games or a $399 with 350?

Of course PS3 isnt selling well. Its not as good as the others competitors :?

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink can't you see of course it's pink

[QUOTE="tek91"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Whyats more appealing?

A $199 console with 700 games or a $399 with 350?

Of course PS3 isnt selling well. Its not as good as the others competitors :?

Cole-Protocal

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink

its about price and games.

right now, 360 has both over PS3.

simpel as that.

Case Closed

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="tek91"] it's not about the games most of those 700 are not even in the shelves anymore at gamespot or youll find them in the box where it has all the used games which no one pays mind to.

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink

tek91

its about price and games.

right now, 360 has both over PS3.

simpel as that.

Case Closed

however u spin it, 360 >>>> PS3 in the real world.

[QUOTE="tek91"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Whyats more appealing?

A $199 console with 700 games or a $399 with 350?

Of course PS3 isnt selling well. Its not as good as the others competitors :?

PAL360

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink can't you see of course it's pink

P[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="tek91"] it's not about the games most of those 700 are not even in the shelves anymore at gamespot or youll find them in the box where it has all the used games which no one pays mind to.

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink can't you see of course it's pink

tek91

keep dreaming......not gonna happen for years.

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="tek91"] it's not about the games most of those 700 are not even in the shelves anymore at gamespot or youll find them in the box where it has all the used games which no one pays mind to.

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink

tek91

its about price and games.

right now, 360 has both over PS3.

simpel as that.

Case Closed

Spin it anyway you want. But its hilarious to me that you confuse great business decisions with acts of desperation. Didn't the Ps3 have like the fastest price drop for any of the three major consoles?

dude lol if the PS 3 where to have it's PS 3 for $199 it would be flying of the shelves so fast your head would be spinningtek91

When you're only argument is a big speculatory "IF" its pretty much time to stop. The PS3 is not $199 and nothing you say is going to magically drop it by $200 atm.

You're only argument is that of a price war. A war the PS3 can never win. 360 is turning profit on hardware that is selling well cheaper then the PS3. There is no reason that as soon as PS3 drops its price that MS once again drops its price and there for we are back at square 1 again aren't Wii.

People like you just yelling "WAIT UNTIL THE PRICE DROP!"

P[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="tek91"] it's not about the games most of those 700 are not even in the shelves anymore at gamespot or youll find them in the box where it has all the used games which no one pays mind to.

it's all about the price the months before m$ did it's price cut proves this.

Poeple need to ignorantly stop spreading things that are so wrong.

it's like someone right now telling me the water color is pink can't you see of course it's pink

tek91

[QUOTE="tek91"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

its about price and games.

right now, 360 has both over PS3.

simpel as that.

Cole-Protocal

Case Closed

however u spin it, 360 >>>> PS3 in the real world.

No, 360 >>>> PS3 in your world. I would love so much for the 360 to become the only hardcore console on the market. You would learn something that you would never forget. Let's just put it this way, I (as well as many others) would quit gaming entirely.

When you're only argument is a big speculatory "IF" its pretty much time to stop. The PS3 is not $199 and nothing you say is going to magically drop it by $200 atm.

hmm I don't know could it be because I was responding to a question where somebody was talking about what would happen if the PS 3 was $199 ?

You're only argument is that of a price war. A war the PS3 can never win.360 is turning profit on hardware that is selling well cheaper then the PS3. There is no reason that as soon as PS3 drops its price that MS once again drops its price and there for we are back at square 1 again aren't Wii.

I explained before already why m$ can't drop it's price it already reached every systems sweet spot it can't go cheaper while PS 3 can

People like you just yelling "WAIT UNTIL THE PRICE DROP!"

yea you have to wait for a PS 3 price drop is that news to you ? every1 knows this

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="tek91"] no price the months before 360 desperately came in price to $199 is proof

Case Closed

Derek240

however u spin it, 360 >>>> PS3 in the real world.

No, 360 >>>> PS3 in your world. I would love so much for the 360 to become the only hardcore console on the market. You would learn something that you would never forget. Let's just put it this way, I (as well as many others) would quit gaming entirely.

my world is Earth......where 360 holds a comfortable 2nd place lead over the 3rd place PS3. What world do u live on???????

if that beautiful scenerio were to happen and ppl like u were to quit gaming....so long. Funny thing is, human beings grow up fast. Some kids will take your place.

[QUOTE="Derek240"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

however u spin it, 360 >>>> PS3 in the real world.

Cole-Protocal

No, 360 >>>> PS3 in your world. I would love so much for the 360 to become the only hardcore console on the market. You would learn something that you would never forget. Let's just put it this way, I (as well as many others) would quit gaming entirely.

my world is Earth......where 360 holds a comfortable 2nd place lead over the 3rd place PS3. What world do u live on???????

if that beautiful scenerio were to happen and ppl like u were to quit gaming....so long. Funny thing is, human beings grow up fast. Some kids will take your place.

I guess kids like you never learn untill it's too late.

[QUOTE="Derek240"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

however u spin it, 360 >>>> PS3 in the real world.

PAL360

No, 360 >>>> PS3 in your world. I would love so much for the 360 to become the only hardcore console on the market. You would learn something that you would never forget. Let's just put it this way, I (as well as a legion of other blind fanboys) would quit gaming entirely.

You don't get it....but then again, you are too young to have taken economics yet. FYI, I could care less about the PS3 or any other console this gen since they are all trash compared to ANY other gen. This gen has been a disgrace of the utmost degree. I can't imagine what it would be like if there was only 1 console.

I explained before already why m$ can't drop it's price it already reached every systems sweet spot it can't go cheaper while PS 3 can

tek91

You're mistaken. The *arcade* has reached it, the Pro and the Elite? They can drop the price on those whenever they like and unless the PS3 is about to drop to the price of an Arcade Microsoft can remain competitive against them. Your argument is flawed, you're determind to prove your opinion as correct yet you have no proof other than "IF THEY WAS THE SAME PRICE THE PS3 WOULD OUTSELL THE 360" yeah, IF, in *your* world but the reality is kid it's NOT the same price, it wont EVER be the same price because it can't match the price of an Arcade and the Pro and Elite are more than capable of dropping in price and insuring the PS3 looks extremely over priced.

Time to face reality, give the thread up. You lost about 5 pages ago.

You're mistaken. The *arcade* has reached it, the Pro and the Elite?

It's not going to make a difference as long as PS 3 has a low price more people will choose it over the xbox look at the months before the 360's $199 price drop

They can drop the price on those whenever they like and unless the PS3 is about to drop to the price of an Arcade Microsoft can remain competitive against them. Your argument is flawed, you're determind to prove your opinion as correct yet you have no proof other than "IF THEY WAS THE SAME PRICE THE PS3 WOULD OUTSELL THE 360" yeah, IF, in *your* world but the reality is kid it's NOT the same price, it wont EVER be the same price because it can't match the price of an Arcade and the Pro and Elite are more than capable of dropping in price and insuring the PS3 looks extremely over priced.

It's not IF the PS 3 outsold the 360 for 8 months because of price and price is what will make the PS 3 outsell the 360 again.

Time to face reality, give the thread up. You lost about 5 pages ago.

yea I lost because a fanboy says so lol

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"][QUOTE="Derek240"]

No, 360 >>>> PS3 in your world. I would love so much for the 360 to become the only hardcore console on the market. You would learn something that you would never forget. Let's just put it this way, I (as well as many others) would quit gaming entirely.

Derek240

my world is Earth......where 360 holds a comfortable 2nd place lead over the 3rd place PS3. What world do u live on???????

if that beautiful scenerio were to happen and ppl like u were to quit gaming....so long. Funny thing is, human beings grow up fast. Some kids will take your place.

I guess kids like you never learn untill it's too late.

[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="Derek240"]

No, 360 >>>> PS3 in your world. I would love so much for the 360 to become the only hardcore console on the market. You would learn something that you would never forget. Let's just put it this way, I (as well as a legion of other blind fanboys) would quit gaming entirely.

Derek240

You don't get it....but then again, you are too young to have taken economics yet.

And as for you, the guy strutting about calling people kids when hes clearly some angsty teen..Let me take a guess WHY you're so angsty: You're trying to hit out at the evil Microsoft empire for it's terrible terrible ways and convinced blindly that if Microsoft push sony out they'll form an evil dominance and not allow competition.

Am i on the money? For the record: You're wrong.