Why it's okay to "hide behind the pc"

IMO, bringing PC games into a debate about PS3 games vs. Xbox 360 games is a red herring. Take bioshock for example. Sure, it is not a 360 exclusive, but if we are in a ps3 vs 360 debate, the simple fact of the matter is that I can play the game on the 360, but I can't play it on the ps3. This is a easily apparent advantage for the 360, albeit not as great as if it were an exclusive.

If you are a Fan of the San Diego Chargers and the Cleveland Browns and somebody asserts to you that the New England Patriots are better than the Browns because the Browns have no quarterback, does it make sense cite the fact that the Chargers have a good quarterback to defend your position?

You're thinking too technical man, you're in SW. Consoles are fighting against each other, PC games are seen as a whole different category. Its a pretty simple mindset, and thats how it is.-JayWong-

If you know what your doing cost can never really be a problem for the PC.. You can build one for as cheap as $700-$800 that will outperform the PC.. Now this excludes the monitor but the vast majority of people have one to use just like they have TVs for their consoles.

Now the thing about the PC is you can do far more then just play games but do your work and school on it as well.. Not just that but it opens a library not just 4 years old.. But a games library of a decade including all the classics out there... This with the fact that PCs get the largest amount of AAA's, AA's, best multiplayer to date just from sheer size of it, a modding community which adds countless new things, cutsomiziability in both software and hardware, best graphics, best sound, etc etc. Sure there are annoying aspects of it, for one you can get errors, if you know what your doing it shouldn't be that much of a problem.. Sure some games can be graphics hogs, as well as other things.. Though not having the laying back experience is untrue because you can have tv out on it.. But in the end any minuses out there are overshadowed from the positives.. If your a fan of FPS's RTS's, TBS's, RPG's MMO's, space sims, as wel as a few other genres, then the pc is definitly a solid choice.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Well, if they all had these gaming PCs alongside their PS3s, they wouldn't exactly be Cows would they?Vandalvideo

I mean the type of PC that could match and possibly outclass the 360.

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]Casey wants to assume that everyone owns a gaming PC and that cost isn't a factor just to prove a lame point that for a lot more money and space wasted on multiple hardware, you can get a similar experience to the 360. Good job Casey....you sure proved that and "owned" the lemmings :lol: CaseyWegner

no i don't. :|

there wenta point i never made! oh snap! why don't you read my original post. :|

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]Casey wants to assume that everyone owns a gaming PC and that cost isn't a factor just to prove a lame point that for a lot more money and space wasted on multiple hardware, you can get a similar experience to the 360. Good job Casey....you sure proved that and "owned" the lemmings :lol: -JayWong-

no i don't. :|

there wenta point i never made! oh snap! why don't you read my original post. :|

You one tough dude

the only time they mention the PC is when a lemming is mentioning a game that is not playable on the PS3 but is on PC/360 and they are like "Soooo I can play that on my PC!"GuybrushMI

i know. but if you're going to buy more than one system, exclusives are more important. would you choose a system with more games overall but thathas many that you can already playor the one that gives you access to moregames you can't already play?

CaseyWegner

well I believe most people are going to buy a secondary system do it for a certain game(s), and it's impossible to figure out which game(s) a consumer will choose. Also only a small percentage of people buy a secondary system anyway so it's not something that's going to change the tides of any market. I know alot of people that post on here own multiple systems, but it's not common in the real world. I think exclusive are important for a system but it's not vital. As I said before the 360 could have zero exclusives as long as it has a dominant number of games.

Little fact for you BioShock PC requirements Below How many COWS even have the minimum specs to play this game? swanlee

and you keep missing the entire point.

[QUOTE="-JayWong-"]You're thinking too technical man, you're in SW. Consoles are fighting against each other, PC games are seen as a whole different category. Its a pretty simple mindset, and thats how it is.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]they do sell pc games. maybe you just weren't looking in the right place. :)CaseyWegner

that's strange.

The Gamestop closest to me (which I happen to work at) also doesn't carry PC games.

It's not that strange.

The only problem is I'm already playing the sequel to the game by the time it gets ported to pc.jim_shorts

So your already playing GeOW2??? Didnt think so. Since that comes out in November and i highly highly doubt thatGeOW2 iscoming out in november. I could care less though since i have a 360 and a PC. The joys of both worlds.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]they do sell pc games. maybe you just weren't looking in the right place. :)The_Game21x

that's strange.

The Gamestop closest to me (which I happen to work at) also doesn't carry PC games.

It's not that strange.

i've never seen one that doesn't.

Little fact for you BioShock PC requirements Below How many COWS even have the minimum specs to play this game? swanlee

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="OldParr"]

360=$280 and it will give you the same experience graphically and gameplay wise.why play it on pc when u can play it on a 360?? the 360 has the uperhand due to its price

OldParr

price doesn't matter.

you know it does.

if somebody owns a gaming pc why would they get an xbox 360 to play the same game? this is system wars...not the outside world so don't start spouting about a better deal.

u mean games that we play a year ago like gears of war???? or are u talking only about bioschok or games that goes to the pc 6 months after?? then they would need a 360 to play the games first except for bioschok of course.still the 360 has the upperhand

this forum is a race for exclusive games...always has been.if the pc can take exclusivity away from the 360 then it's one fewer exclusive game that the ps3 or wii will need to catch or surpass the 360 in exclusives. CaseyWegner

if you put it that way the 360 is running out of exlusives X->

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-JayWong-"]You're thinking too technical man, you're in SW. Consoles are fighting against each other, PC games are seen as a whole different category. Its a pretty simple mindset, and thats how it is.-JayWong-

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="OldParr"]

360=$280 and it will give you the same experience graphically and gameplay wise.why play it on pc when u can play it on a 360?? the 360 has the uperhand due to its price

The_Game21x

price doesn't matter.

you know it does.

if somebody owns a gaming pc why would they get an xbox 360 to play the same game? this is system wars...not the outside world so don't start spouting about a better deal.

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

That is just crazy talk lol. Any time a major title such as Bioshock for example is only on one console it is a big deal. Games like that will really help out the console with that game wether or not it is on a PC. Most console gamers will not be able to play Bioshock or halo 3.there is a reason why they do not sell PC games at EB games or the console game section is always bigger at walmart and stuff. rybe1025

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]this forum is a race for exclusive games...always has been.if the pc can take exclusivity away from the 360 then it's one fewer exclusive game that the ps3 or wii will need to catch or surpass the 360 in exclusives. JAMES_L_BROOKS

if you put it that way the 360 is running out of exlusives X->

not really. it's only lost three so far.

"Why would the cows be singled out and punished for high system requirements" Because they are the ones hiding behind the PC to try and deflect the fact the PS3 is a door stop for them. 360 owners would just by Bioshock on the 360 instead of spending a ton of money to upgrade their PC'sswanlee

The thing is, PCs run on Windows, wich is run by Microsoft as well. So it makes sense that the 360 loses some exclutivity because of that.Cube_of_MooN

doesn't make it okay.

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="OldParr"]

360=$280 and it will give you the same experience graphically and gameplay wise.why play it on pc when u can play it on a 360?? the 360 has the uperhand due to its price

OldParr

port games dont look much different...

] You're doing it again. The more times you say it, doesn't make it more true. The PC can directly affect console sales. End of story. All your public opinions are belong to me. In all seriousness, facts and reality are the ends all judicator.Vandalvideo

We'll just agree to disagree than.

So can we say MGS, God of War, Killzone are no longer Exclusive titles because variations of them are on the PSP?swanlee

quit while you're behind. you're making things worse. :?

[QUOTE="l-_-l"]

If it is on the PC, it is NOT a "console exclusive". How can anybody in their right mind consider a game thats on the PC and "console exclusive"? Where is the logic in that. :roll:

Grive

Please read the gorram post before saying nonsense. I only use the term "console exclusive" because a) it's what we're discussing, and b) it's a good crutch instead of saying "game available on the PC and Xbox 360 as opposed to available in more than one console".

Oh, and EVERYONE in their right mind would call such a game "console exclusive", since it defines what it is, exclusive to consoles. The PC is not a console, but it's in the war because we're on SYSTEM wars, not CONSOLE wars. There is no debate in here. The debate is if it's a meaningful term or not. Thank you for adding nothing to the conversation.

exclusives are what differentiates the systems. if you want a multiplat, you have options. if you want an exclusive, there's only one place to get it.CaseyWegner

You're mostly right. Multiplats and partial exclusives DO differentiate systems. In the case of multiplats, a notably better version is a plus for the console that gets is, while partial exclusives are a factor to those who do not consider a specific platform. This platform is quite often the PC. There is a considerable amount of console only gamers, to whom console exclusives do matter.

I went into more detail in my first post regarding this.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]] You're doing it again. The more times you say it, doesn't make it more true. The PC can directly affect console sales. End of story. All your public opinions are belong to me. In all seriousness, facts and reality are the ends all judicator.-JayWong-

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

l-_-l

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

The_Game21x

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

and viva pinata.

So can we say MGS, God of War, Killzone are no longer Exclusive titles because variations of them are on the PSP?swanlee

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

CaseyWegner

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

and viva pinata.

Well that's three.

Still not quite "all of the 360's best games". :wink:

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

The_Game21x

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

and viva pinata.

Well that's three.

Still not quite "all of the 360's best games". :wink:

Need I remind you guys that the PC in the past year has had the largest amount of AAA's (tied with DS) and AA's.. So this argument is incorrect because the exact same thing can be said for the PC with greater effect just due to how much larger the library is.

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

The_Game21x

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

CaseyWegner

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

and viva pinata.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If someone owns an Xbox 360 why would they buy a gaming PC? That goes both ways.

CaseyWegner

Yes it does. :|

If the average consumer doesn't have a 360 or a gaming PCbut isinterested in Bioshock which platform do you think they're going to buy? Odds are, they'll buy the 360 to play it.

Not to mention that your logic is extremely flawed. Gears of War and Lost Planet are the only games the 360 has "lost" to the PC thus far. Those two are not "all of the 360's best games" Can you buy Forza 2 on the PC? How about Dead Rising, or maybe the AAA version of GRAW? No? I thought so. :|

and viva pinata.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

I still think "Console exclusive" is a valid point simply because for the people who simply cannot afford to keep up with the blistering speed of PC gaming, a console is their only choice. Hence games being on one of those 3 consoles do matter in the grand scheme of making your choice to purchase one of the three.

I have, and will continue to fight you to the death on this point. :P

And everybody knows the majority of cows here don't own gaming PC's. So hiding behind the PC is a weak attempt at damage control. I say this because the ones that suddenly say "Ill play it on PC" never mention any other games other than ones coming out on 360.

Vandalvideo

It's more than price though. It's public perception. A person who doesn't really know much about gaming is definitely more likely to spend money on a console than a gaming PC.

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]this forum is a race for exclusive games...always has been.if the pc can take exclusivity away from the 360 then it's one fewer exclusive game that the ps3 or wii will need to catch or surpass the 360 in exclusives. CaseyWegner

if you put it that way the 360 is running out of exlusives X->

not really. it's only lost three so far.

It's more than price though. It's public perception. A person who doesn't really know much about gaming is definitely more likely to spend money on a console than a gaming PC. TheCrazed420

10+ page long thread because Casey made it.DA_B0MB

what d'ya know, it came true...