Why it's okay to "hide behind the pc"

Yes, and it seems like you are stepping on your own feet. You say:

"this forum is a race for exclusive games...always has been.if the pc can take exclusivity away from the 360 then it's one fewer exclusive game that the ps3 or wii will need to catch or surpass the 360 in exclusives."

But you are basically singling out ONLY 360, PS3 and Wii games. If you are ONLY comparing those 3 platforms, then why is it that a game that is on the 360 and the PC suddenly can't be considered an exclusive amongst the 3 main platforms you indicated???

REVENGEotSITH

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] Your point was that the 360 is losing exclusives to the PC as if everyone magically has a PC to make the 360 invalid which in fact eveyone does NOT. Thus making your point kind of lame. Sorry you lose. XanaduTheBand

again, that's not my point. how many times do i have to tell you?

no that's not my point. wtf?

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] So for appoximately 80% of people who only buy 1 console it's a minus to have an extra game (an amazing one at that) on their console? Sorry that may fly in dork wars but for real life benifits it's acutally a PLUS. Yeah, air bags on my Toyota are a minus because my neighbor's Honda has them too :roll:froidnite

Bioshock exclusive to X360 = +2 for X360

Bioshock coming to X360/PC = +1 for X360( MINUS 1 cos it's on PC).

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] Your point was that the 360 is losing exclusives to the PC as if everyone magically has a PC to make the 360 invalid which in fact eveyone does NOT. Thus making your point kind of lame. Sorry you lose. XanaduTheBand

again, that's not my point. how many times do i have to tell you?

Why does it have to be two systems vs one system? That doesn't seem fair at all.

You know what I think? I think the people should be allowed to decide how to interpret such matters. They don't need it dictated to them. These kinds of therads milk the fun out of System Wars.

I don't see how any good can come of this kind of thread.

In the end I totally disagree on a fundamental level with Casey on this subject. It's damn near a matter two entirely differnet markets, and the fundamental problem as I see it is found in putting them on the same plane. I have other issues with this as well.

Let consoles be consoles and keep their discussion isolated, IMO.

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] Your point was that the 360 is losing exclusives to the PC as if everyone magically has a PC to make the 360 invalid which in fact eveyone does NOT. Thus making your point kind of lame. Sorry you lose. CaseyWegner

again, that's not my point. how many times do i have to tell you?

no that's not my point. wtf?

I'm starting to get the impression that Casey is the Jesse Jackson of system wars. He postures himself as some arbitor of truth and acts as if what he says is the official cannon of system wars (much like Jesse Jackson pretends that he speaks for all black people). Sorry Casey, you may be right someitimes but you're not right this time.XanaduTheBand

:lol: I know. He says that "PC is in first place", yet the last time I checked, if you walk into EB Games, it is 90% covered with console games and only a small section for PC games. Same thing at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, etc, etc. Maybe Hermits just live in this world where they think that PC gaming is king and fail to look in the mirror at the monsoon approaching them from behind. Just because everyone has a PC doesn't mean that everyone plays games on their PC (beyond Solitare and Mine Sweeper).

I'd love to see the sales numbers comparisons for Oblivion (PC vs 360), Lost Planet (PC vs 360), etc. How about overall games sales between all "4" of these platforms for the year?

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] Your point was that the 360 is losing exclusives to the PC as if everyone magically has a PC to make the 360 invalid which in fact eveyone does NOT. Thus making your point kind of lame. Sorry you lose. Teufelhuhn

again, that's not my point. how many times do i have to tell you?

This is MADNESSS!!!!!

Fight like men and stand behind your own systems instead of trying to claim indirect ownage from the joys of others. This is the Peloponnesian war, every state must defend itself. There is no alliance between Sparta and Athens and Rome can burn in hell.

You know what I think? I think the people should be allowed to decide how to interpret such matters. They don't need it dictated to them. These kinds of therads milk the fun out of System Wars.

I don't see how any good can come of this kind of thread.

In the end I totally disagree on a fundamental level with Casey on this subject. It's damn near a matter two entirely differnet markets, and the fundamental problem as I see it is found in putting them on the same plane. I have other issues with this as well.

Let consoles be consoles and keep their discussion isolated, IMO.

Dreams-Visions

Maybe you should find another forum called "Console Wars." We're here to discuss all systems.

[QUOTE="froidnite"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] So for appoximately 80% of people who only buy 1 console it's a minus to have an extra game (an amazing one at that) on their console? Sorry that may fly in dork wars but for real life benifits it's acutally a PLUS. Yeah, air bags on my Toyota are a minus because my neighbor's Honda has them too :roll:XanaduTheBand

Bioshock exclusive to X360 = +2 for X360

Bioshock coming to X360/PC = +1 for X360( MINUS 1 cos it's on PC).

You know what I think? I think the people should be allowed to decide how to interpret such matters. They don't need it dictated to them. These kinds of therads milk the fun out of System Wars.

I don't see how any good can come of this kind of thread.

In the end I totally disagree on a fundamental level with Casey on this subject. It's damn near a matter two entirely differnet markets, and the fundamental problem as I see it is found in putting them on the same plane. I have other issues with this as well.

Let consoles be consoles and keep their discussion isolated, IMO.

Dreams-Visions

This is MADNESSS!!!!!

Fight like men and stand behind your own systems instead of trying to claim indirect ownage from the joys of others. This is the Peloponnesian war, every state must defend itself. There is no alliance between Sparta and Athens and Rome can burn in hell.

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"] Your point was that the 360 is losing exclusives to the PC as if everyone magically has a PC to make the 360 invalid which in fact eveyone does NOT. Thus making your point kind of lame. Sorry you lose. XanaduTheBand

again, that's not my point. how many times do i have to tell you?

Thats exactly why the exclusive arguments makes the most sense. People picked up a system based largely on the exclusive titles it offers. If all of a sudden it now offers less exclusives, whats the incentive to get said system? Its certainly less. Hell, look at how many people around here picked up a 360 instead of a gaming PC. PC lost exclusives to the 360 and less people bought a gaming capable PC. All of a sudden this simple logic doesnt apply to the 360 when it loses an exclusive to the PC?

You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. XanaduTheBand

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]I'm starting to get the impression that Casey is the Jesse Jackson of system wars. He postures himself as some arbitor of truth and acts as if what he says is the official cannon of system wars (much like Jesse Jackson pretends that he speaks for all black people). Sorry Casey, you may be right someitimes but you're not right this time.REVENGEotSITH

:lol: I know. He says that "PC is in first place", yet the last time I checked, if you walk into EB Games, it is 90% covered with console games and only a small section for PC games. Same thing at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, etc, etc. Maybe Hermits just live in this world where they think that PC gaming is king and fail to look in the mirror at the monsoon approaching them from behind. Just because everyone has a PC doesn't mean that everyone plays games on their PC (beyond Solitare and Mine Sweeper).

I'd love to see the sales numbers comparisons for Oblivion (PC vs 360), Lost Planet (PC vs 360), etc. How about overall games sales between all "4" of these platforms for the year?

Last time I checked, space dedicated for games in a store(s) in one country doesn't decide which platform is performing well and also I just love the way you combine all consoles(PS3, X360, Wii, PS2.......) to make that 90% space.

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]I'm starting to get the impression that Casey is the Jesse Jackson of system wars. He postures himself as some arbitor of truth and acts as if what he says is the official cannon of system wars (much like Jesse Jackson pretends that he speaks for all black people). Sorry Casey, you may be right someitimes but you're not right this time.REVENGEotSITH

:lol: I know. He says that "PC is in first place", yet the last time I checked, if you walk into EB Games, it is 90% covered with console games and only a small section for PC games. Same thing at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, etc, etc.

The only reason that I wanted to buy a 360 was GEOW. Now that it's going multiplat among other greats like Oblivion I don't need to buy one. One customer less for MS. Not to mention that you can also play great exclusives like Guild Wars, Counterstrike, Battlefield, Starcraft 2 etc.

That simple example shows that the PC is a valid gaming system.No one's hiding from anything. And before you call me cow, I accept that UT3 is not an exclusive either since it's both for PC and PS3.

But lemmings will never accept that. They still don't accept that MGS4 is PS3's exclusive. Great topic but it's a lost cause.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

You know what I think? I think the people should be allowed to decide how to interpret such matters. They don't need it dictated to them. These kinds of therads milk the fun out of System Wars.

I don't see how any good can come of this kind of thread.

In the end I totally disagree on a fundamental level with Casey on this subject. It's damn near a matter two entirely differnet markets, and the fundamental problem as I see it is found in putting them on the same plane. I have other issues with this as well.

Let consoles be consoles and keep their discussion isolated, IMO.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]I'm starting to get the impression that Casey is the Jesse Jackson of system wars. He postures himself as some arbitor of truth and acts as if what he says is the official cannon of system wars (much like Jesse Jackson pretends that he speaks for all black people). Sorry Casey, you may be right someitimes but you're not right this time.REVENGEotSITH

:lol: I know. He says that "PC is in first place", yet the last time I checked, if you walk into EB Games, it is 90% covered with console games and only a small section for PC games. Same thing at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, etc, etc. Maybe Hermits just live in this world where they think that PC gaming is king and fail to look in the mirror at the monsoon approaching them from behind. Just because everyone has a PC doesn't mean that everyone plays games on their PC (beyond Solitare and Mine Sweeper).

I'd love to see the sales numbers comparisons for Oblivion (PC vs 360), Lost Planet (PC vs 360), etc. How about overall games sales between all "4" of these platforms for the year?

oh. so you're saying that either the 360, wii, or ps3 has more AAAE/AAE games this generation than the pc does?

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]I'm starting to get the impression that Casey is the Jesse Jackson of system wars. He postures himself as some arbitor of truth and acts as if what he says is the official cannon of system wars (much like Jesse Jackson pretends that he speaks for all black people). Sorry Casey, you may be right someitimes but you're not right this time.REVENGEotSITH

:lol: I know. He says that "PC is in first place", yet the last time I checked, if you walk into EB Games, it is 90% covered with console games and only a small section for PC games. Same thing at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, etc, etc. Maybe Hermits just live in this world where they think that PC gaming is king and fail to look in the mirror at the monsoon approaching them from behind. Just because everyone has a PC doesn't mean that everyone plays games on their PC (beyond Solitare and Mine Sweeper).

I'd love to see the sales numbers comparisons for Oblivion (PC vs 360), Lost Planet (PC vs 360), etc. How about overall games sales between all "4" of these platforms for the year?

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14997

In 2006 PC video games accounted for$1 billion of the approximate $7.5 billion sales in videe games.That really seems like first place to me. Let's be realistic here. 13% of the sales = 1st place. Ok I better go back and take statistics again because that seems wrong to me.

Plus 5 of the top 10 sellers for PC were Sims and SIms expansion packs - Not sure what that means, but I don't think the majority of those Sims players are buying many other titles

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. CaseyWegner

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

Who said I didn't understand that? He siad that it was a MINUS. get your facts straight and pleas dont put words in my mouth.XanaduTheBand

Okay what about making up an arbitrary system of plus/minuses that holds no bearing nor ground with anyone and then using it as fact. Pfff...XanaduTheBand

You asked how it could be a MINUS, so I gave an EXAMPLE(never said it was a fact. Pfffffffff..) to show you as to how it could be interpreted as MINUS.

The only reason that I wanted to buy a 360 was GEOW. Now that it's going multiplat among other greats like Oblivion I don't need to buy one. One customer less for MS. Not to mention that you can also play great exclusives like Guild Wars, Counterstrike, Battlefield, Starcraft 2 etc.

That simple example shows that the PC is a viable gaming system.No one's hiding from anything. And before you call me cow, I accept that UT3 is not an exclusive either since it's both for PC and PS3.

But lemmings will never accept that. They still don't accept that MGS4 is PS3's exclusive. Great topic but it's a lost cause.

fierro316

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]I'm starting to get the impression that Casey is the Jesse Jackson of system wars. He postures himself as some arbitor of truth and acts as if what he says is the official cannon of system wars (much like Jesse Jackson pretends that he speaks for all black people). Sorry Casey, you may be right someitimes but you're not right this time.REVENGEotSITH

:lol: I know. He says that "PC is in first place", yet the last time I checked, if you walk into EB Games, it is 90% covered with console games and only a small section for PC games. Same thing at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, etc, etc. Maybe Hermits just live in this world where they think that PC gaming is king and fail to look in the mirror at the monsoon approaching them from behind. Just because everyone has a PC doesn't mean that everyone plays games on their PC (beyond Solitare and Mine Sweeper).

I'd love to see the sales numbers comparisons for Oblivion (PC vs 360), Lost Planet (PC vs 360), etc. How about overall games sales between all "4" of these platforms for the year?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. XanaduTheBand

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

You know what I think? I think the people should be allowed to decide how to interpret such matters. They don't need it dictated to them. These kinds of therads milk the fun out of System Wars.

I don't see how any good can come of this kind of thread.

In the end I totally disagree on a fundamental level with Casey on this subject. It's damn near a matter two entirely differnet markets, and the fundamental problem as I see it is found in putting them on the same plane. I have other issues with this as well.

Let consoles be consoles and keep their discussion isolated, IMO.

XaosII

Maybe you should find another forum called "Console Wars." We're here to discuss all systems.

I'll do some looking around. Thx for the tip. :?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

You know what I think? I think the people should be allowed to decide how to interpret such matters. They don't need it dictated to them. These kinds of therads milk the fun out of System Wars.

I don't see how any good can come of this kind of thread.

In the end I totally disagree on a fundamental level with Casey on this subject. It's damn near a matter two entirely differnet markets, and the fundamental problem as I see it is found in putting them on the same plane. I have other issues with this as well.

Let consoles be consoles and keep their discussion isolated, IMO.

Teufelhuhn

I simply don't think it's the same thing. I think it's apples vs. apples vs. apples vs. oranges. Guess which one I think the oranges represent. I've gamed on PC since '92 (I'm talkin Falcon 2.0, Doom, Heretic, X-Wing, Wing Commander Armada days before CD-Rom...and Oregon Trail before that)...and it's always ALWAYS felt like a different thing.

Maybe because you could always simply upgrade a part or two an increase its lifespan.

Maybe because it doesn't have "generations" per se. It constantly evolves.

Maybe because there's no homogeniety between PCs. Some PCs can run games. Most PCs have intergrated video chipsets that can barely do The Sims at 1920x1080.

Maybe because games that are best on PC are so radically different that they often times don't work well on consoles (RTS, anyone?)

Maybe because the communities that focus on playing their games on PC are so radically different than console communities.

I don't know man. They're just not the same in my heart. Sorry.

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. DireToad

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

You may have meant that but the fact is that most people don't owna PS3 or a Wii and a PC so your point is moot. Good try though...XanaduTheBand

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. XanaduTheBand

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

this whole type first and think second thing you've got going on needs to stop cause i'm seriously losing my patience with you. it doesn't matter who owns what. if the gaming platform exists, it counts.

[QUOTE="fierro316"]

The only reason that I wanted to buy a 360 was GEOW. Now that it's going multiplat among other greats like Oblivion I don't need to buy one. One customer less for MS. Not to mention that you can also play great exclusives like Guild Wars, Counterstrike, Battlefield, Starcraft 2 etc.

That simple example shows that the PC is a viable gaming system.No one's hiding from anything. And before you call me cow, I accept that UT3 is not an exclusive either since it's both for PC and PS3.

But lemmings will never accept that. They still don't accept that MGS4 is PS3's exclusive. Great topic but it's a lost cause.

jg4xchamp

No one is using "system x" to "protect system y". If lemmings say that Bioshock is a 360 exclusive, any sheep cow or farm animal can say that is also coming for PC; therefore is not an exclusive. The same can be used for UT3 against cows. It's ownage by default.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. XanaduTheBand

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

/start lemming logic

Well, I don't consider the PC to be a competitor. And well, since the 360 has so many different SKUs and hardware differences, I think the 360 is a PC. And since the Wii is going off in its own direction away from traditional gaming, I don't consider that competition either.

Oh my god, Sony has finally done it! They own the entire traditional console market! Every game is an exclusive now...what a great day to be a cow!

/end lemming logic

I don't care whether you think the PC is a competitor (it is- that's a fact) or whether you think PC gaming is too expensive or there's not enough PC gamers (# of WoW players > 360 owners), if basically the same game out on two platforms, it's not an exclusive.

this forum is a race for exclusive games...always has been.if the pc can take exclusivity away from the 360 then it's one fewer exclusive game that the ps3 or wii will need to catch or surpass the 360 in exclusives. CaseyWegner

personally don't care what you think -- something being on PC/360 and not the PS3 still deprives the PS3 of a great game. MS PC/360 integration via Games For Windows Live also disagrees with that logic, when I can get achievement points for playing a x-platform title on PC the argument ceases to have any real validity other than for fanboy arguments sake (but hey, i guess that's what this dark dank cavern called SW is for).

anyways, at the end of the day who really cares, PS3 has yet to prove itself as a great next-gen platform, all other arguments are more or less moot until the PS3 can corral a few decent games that cows can use as fodder.

and wait - isn't the PS3 ALSO a PC?????? I guess it's constantly pwning itself with x-platform titles, guess that means the PS3 has NO exclusives :).

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]You said that if a game goes to PC then it takes away an exlcusive that the PS3 and Wii need to cath up and I would say that is only vaild if you own a PC (which one would logically assume thats what you meant since if you didn't own a PC to play those games, then the 360 would still have better games that you would never be able to play). So stop trying to pretend like you didn't mean that and fact your ownage like a man. CaseyWegner

i meant what i said...not what you twisted it to mean. it doens't matter if somebody owns a pc or not. if there is the existence of a game that's on both the pc and the 360, it's not an exclusive andtherefore does not count as a game thatcontributes to the number that the ps3 and wii need in order to catch up to or surpassthe 360. don't tell me what i mean. i wrote it. you didn't.

this whole type first and think second thing you've got going on needs to stop cause i'm seriously losing my patience with you. it doesn't matter who owns what. if the gaming platform exists, it counts.

I simply don't think it's the same thing. I think it's apples vs. apples vs. apples vs. oranges. Guess which one I think the oranges represent. I've gamed on PC since '92 (I'm talkin Falcon 2.0, Doom, Heretic, X-Wing, Wing Commander Armada days before CD-Rom...and Oregon Trail before that)...and it's always ALWAYS felt like a different thing.

Maybe because you could always simply upgrade a part or two an increase its lifespan.

Maybe because it doesn't have "generations" per se. It constantly evolves.

Maybe because there's no homogeniety between PCs. Some PCs can run games. Most PCs have intergrated video chipsets that can barely do The Sims at 1920x1080.

Maybe because games that are best on PC are so radically different that they often times don't work well on consoles (RTS, anyone?)

Maybe because the communities that focus on playing their games on PC are so radically different than console communities.

I don't know man. They're just not the same in my heart. Sorry.

Dreams-Visions

What's your point? The PC isn't in competion with consoles because it's different. That's like saying Wii isn't in competition with PS3 cos it's soooooo different.

Different or not, it doesnot change the fact that PCs are as viable a gaming platform as any gaming consoles.

[QUOTE="fierro316"]

The only reason that I wanted to buy a 360 was GEOW. Now that it's going multiplat among other greats like Oblivion I don't need to buy one. One customer less for MS. Not to mention that you can also play great exclusives like Guild Wars, Counterstrike, Battlefield, Starcraft 2 etc.

That simple example shows that the PC is a viable gaming system.No one's hiding from anything. And before you call me cow, I accept that UT3 is not an exclusive either since it's both for PC and PS3.

But lemmings will never accept that. They still don't accept that MGS4 is PS3's exclusive. Great topic but it's a lost cause.

jg4xchamp

I totally agree, but no responds to logic here (I guess if you can't refute,ignore) here is what I posted a few pages back

t's do a statistical analysis. Hopefully most ofr you can follow:

Systems: A B C D

1000 games are out there. For argument sake they are all of the same quality

500 games are on all of the systems

(500 games left)

50 games are only on System A

40 Games are on only Sytem B

40 Gams Are on only Sytem C

70Gamesa are only on Sytem D

(300 Games left)

100Games are on systems A,B,C

90Games are on B and D

75 Games are on B and C

25 games are onC and D

10 games are on A and D

A= 50 exclusives 660 total games

B= 40 exlusives 705 total games

C= 40 exlusives 665 total games

D= 70 exlusives 695 total games

Which system has the advantage?

If you can't play it...then HOW DOES IT $%#&#$% MATTER!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh it doesn't thus again making your point moot. Are you really going to say the same already proven to be wrong point again?XanaduTheBand

If you can't play it...then HOW DOES IT $%#&#$% MATTER!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh it doesn't thus again making your point moot. Are you really going to say the same already proven to be wrong point again?XanaduTheBand

I must have been dreaming all these years that I was playing games on my PC. Thanks for briging me back to reality. /SARCASM