Why New Vegas > Mass Effect 2 as an RPG

This is one quest in New Vegas. Look at the variety of skills it uses and the number of options you can do to complete it. This is leagues beyond anything ME2 does in the whole game.

Parasomniac

I willing to bet all major decisions will play a big part in ME3, but many actions are significant and noticeable. I don't see how they're not.

Avian005

And you would be correct - ME2 checked for hundreds of decisions in the ME1 imported save game. Linky.

That's one reason I feel sad for PS3 players...not their fault that the comic didn't cover everything that should have been mentioned.

It's more of an RPG certainly, but ME2 is by far the better game.chessmaster1989

NV is clearly the best RPG simply because ME2 barely qualifies as one,looking at Bioware´s work the game that ME2 resembles the most is,amusingly,MDK2....a TPS.

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Better Game = ME2
Better RPG = FNV

coreybg

More like broken.

The better game is subjective.

I'm willing to bet they don't.. bioware promised that with ME2 and none of them played a major role. Could you give me the examples of the noticeable changes that are a result of your actions?Espada12

Ill give you a better reason, ME2 doesn't even qualify to be an RPG .GeneralShowzer

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[QUOTE="Avian005"]Fixed

rolo107

More like broken.

The better game is subjective.

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[QUOTE="Avian005"]Fixed

rolo107

More like broken.

The better game is subjective.

Not unless you're blind.

As an RPG sure. As a game **** no. I don't base my enjoyment on the genre of a game though, so I feel for you guys who do. :(

As an RPG sure. As a game **** no. I don't base my enjoyment on the genre of a game though, so I feel for you guys who do. :(

psn8214

I love how Mass Effect "isn't an RPG" simply because it doesn't have as many choices as Fallout . Last I checked, there was more to being an RPG than just that. In fact, the vast majority of RPGs are completely linear.xMarex

and that's why linear RPGs are terrible like Final Fantasy.

Sure, NV has the better RPG elements, but ME2 is still the superior game IMO

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[QUOTE="padaporra"]

Nah, the whining about the changes Bioware made in ME2 are ad infinitum, I just can't understand why people cry so much. Anyway, ME2 is not a traditional RPG, it's a step foward in the genre, I really can't see nothing that comes close to it.

SaltyMeatballs

I challenge you to relate one single way in which ME2 advanced the ROLEPLAYING genre.

FF13 had good combat, does that mean its advancing RPGs as well?

ME2 is a better game so who really cares?

ME2 is a better game so who really cares?

Vaasman

ME2 is a better game so who really cares?

Its by far the more awarded game.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="xMarex"]I love how Mass Effect "isn't an RPG" simply because it doesn't have as many choices as Fallout . Last I checked, there was more to being an RPG than just that. In fact, the vast majority of RPGs are completely linear.Aku101

and that's why linear RPGs are terrible like Final Fantasy.

And that's not to mention that my post didn't even have a reason that backs your claim in it.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Its by far the more awarded game.foxhound_fox

Mass Effect 2 won the most awards out of any RPG in 2010 That is an objective fact.

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Mass Effect 2 won the most awards out of any RPG in 2010 That is an objective fact.

foxhound_fox

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Mass Effect 2 won the most awards out of any RPG in 2010 That is an objective fact.

texasgoldrush

Or you could, you know, just argue your own opinion and realise that saying "oh well it won X amount of awards" doesn't actually affect the discussion in any tangible way, other than plainly illustrating that you can't, or aren't willing to, defend the game based on its own merits.

and the only way to really compare inherent quality the most objectively is reception.

texasgoldrush

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Sure... but those awards are objectively meaningless when determining inherent quality.

jethrovegas

Or you could, you know, just argue your own opinion and realise that saying "oh well it won X amount of awards" doesn't actually affect the discussion in any tangible way, other than plainly illustrating that you can't, or aren't willing to, defend the game based on its own merits.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and the only way to really compare inherent quality the most objectively is reception.

foxhound_fox

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As an RPG sure. As a game **** no. I don't base my enjoyment on the genre of a game though, so I feel for you guys who do. :(

foxhound_fox

... which is surprising to me considering you're playing it on consoles. I have Fallout 3 on my 360 and it's ... ugh. Being able to extensively mod New Vegas is the best part about the game for me.

Still, I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 far more. There's not much room for debate here.

I think once Project Nevada is finished Fallout NV will be so much better, I will have to play it up again when it's done.

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ME2 is a better game so who really cares?

Stevo_the_gamer

reception, not popularity based on overexposure...those musicians above have a lot of detractors.

texasgoldrush

... which is surprising to me considering you're playing it on consoles. I have Fallout 3 on my 360 and it's ... ugh. Being able to extensively mod New Vegas is the best part about the game for me.

Still, I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 far more. There's not much room for debate here.

psn8214

I think we can all agree that New Vegas is more of an RPG than ME2.

I liked Mass Effect 2 more simply becauseit didn't cause my systemto crash in the middle of the game :o

As far as RPG elements go, yes I would agree that New Vegas is more RPG like than Mass Effect 2. I honestly think Mass Effect 1, had more RPG elements than Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 2 > New Vegas imo.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]reception, not popularity based on overexposure...those musicians above have a lot of detractors.

foxhound_fox

... which is surprising to me considering you're playing it on consoles. I have Fallout 3 on my 360 and it's ... ugh. Being able to extensively mod New Vegas is the best part about the game for me.

Still, I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 far more. There's not much room for debate here.

psn8214

First off, critics don't vote for Grammys, record company employees do. Second, the grammys aren't really that prestigious, and some artists like Pearl Jam and Tool have called the meaningless. Third, legendary artists such as The Clash and Springsteen have never won top Grammys, not all musicians who become legends win. Fourth, indie artists don't win (or artists on indie labels). There is no pure objective way, true, but reception by critics and fans is the closest thing you can get.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]First off, critics don't vote for Grammys, record company employees do. Second, the grammys aren't really that prestigious, and some artists like Pearl Jam and Tool have called the meaningless. Third, legendary artists such as The Clash and Springsteen have never won top Grammys, not all musicians who become legends win. Fourth, indie artists don't win (or artists on indie labels). There is no pure objective way, true, but reception by critics and fans is the closest thing you can get.foxhound_fox

RPG now days have the problem where they tend to move away from the stats based system (one of the backbones of a rpg) and turn it into a twitch/action or hack and slash game.KalDurenik

Oblivion however was the best game of 2006.....and really the games biggest strength was its mod friendliness.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Oblivion however was the best game of 2006.....and really the games biggest strength was its mod friendliness.foxhound_fox

Oblivion after KOTOR was a huge breakthrough for console WRPGs...texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="Espada12"]I'm willing to bet they don't.. bioware promised that with ME2 and none of them played a major role. Could you give me the examples of the noticeable changes that are a result of your actions?xMarex

Umm tell me the consequences of any of those actions....there are none that matter.

I liked Mass Effect 2 more simply becauseit didn't cause my systemto crash in the middle of the game :o

amari24

This. I've had more crashes from Bethesda games vs. BioWare games.

What matters is what genre the developer says it is. They wrote the game, it is up to us as to whether or not we purchase and play.