Why nintendo deserve some respect!

silly people! for nintendo this gen was do or die...if ninty came out with what hardcore gamers (most of whom prob owned a 360) wanted, it would have been there dreamcast.anasbouzid

I respect nintindo for what they did with the nes and 64

but now honestly they just keep remaking the same games and now there new consule is not better than there last. So basicly we are playing the same games with a little waggle thrown in. All i can say is nintendo just die because i'm starting to hate you

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]silly people! for nintendo this gen was do or die...if ninty came out with what hardcore gamers (most of whom prob owned a 360) wanted, it would have been there dreamcast.air_wolf_cubed

the dream cast came out before the ps2. It just plan wasn't good enough to compete, its completly different so don't even bring it up, ever
footfoe2

Really? I'm bringing up the dreamcast right now, totally defying you. So tell us, why wasn't it good enough?

[QUOTE="scoobiesnackarf"]

Nintendo as in first party games has released 3 good games. Mario, Metroid, and Smash Brothers. Zelda was for the GC so that doesn't count. No More Heroes? Last I heard that wasn't from Nintendo (Ubisoft). Mario Kart? Gimped on the Wii compared to previous releases. Whatelse you got from Nintendo in the near two years they have been out?

Alan

flazzle

If you were familiar at all with Nintendo history, they take forever to release their first party games. Also, if you were familiar with the problems of GameCube marketing, they had no momentum and a poor release of games. This time, they are pacing them and doing a great job. This system launched with Zelda.

"Wait! thats a gamecube game! They just added elements and ported it to Wii!" Hey, good observation! Regardless, there is a Wii version. And its already been announced a new installment is in the works! You have your mario game. Those are few and far between. GC only had Sunshine. N64 only had Mario 64. See a pattern?

MP3 is a killer game! Super paper mario gimped? That's your opinion. It had nice fresh gameplay element. What did you want? The same architecutre as 1000 year old door? So then you can complain they don't innovate? Oh, and how many Paper Mario's were there for the GC? How many for the 64?

Nintendo doesn't always do just one game of a series per console, but it seems to be the norm. Exceptions are Metroid and Pikman.

Oh, and Pikman is in the works to. And Kid Icarus. One from last generation and a few generations before.

Mario Kart 'gimped'? Funny, many reviewers missed that point. Plus it has some of the best network of any Wii game.

Who mentioned NMH?

So, how is Nintendo doing anything different than their past gens exactly? Seems to me they are doing pretty much the same each time, but this time they are actually spacing things out a little more wiser than last time.

2 years is NOT alot of time in console terms. Anyone familiar with consoles knows this, especially those familiar with Nintendo. Which I'm surprised that you think you are

Considering I was gaming on an NES in 86, then SNES, then Gameboy, N64, Gba, then GC? Yes I would say I am familiar with Nintendo...

Alan

silly people! for nintendo this gen was do or die...if ninty came out with what hardcore gamers (most of whom prob owned a 360) wanted, it would have been there dreamcast.anasbouzid

Wise words. I think most of the "hardcore" gamers around here know this is true to some degree, but refuse to admit it.

Let me clarify by saying that I would have liked the 'Revolution' at least as much as the Wii if it had been a more traditional console. I had N64 and GC exclusively during those generations, and I loved them both.

However, looking back, the sales clearly show that those two more traditional Nintendo machines were simply getting trounced by the PS1 and PS2, respectively (plus, Xbox outsold GC).

It really would be nice to live in an ideal world where every good system is a success--but that's clearly not how it works, as exemplified by the Dreamcast. Nowadays, many gamers look back fondly on Dreamcast for its fairly impressive games lineup and advances in online gaming... that's great and all, but what good does that do Sega? They had to exit the console business because their machine simply didn't sell.

Let me again clarify by saying that I'm not a supporter of Nintendo's new casual gaming focus--it would have been nice if they could have kept on focusing on core games, without any dumbing-down at all.

That said, I must add that I think a lot of you that whine about every little thing Nintendo does are being overly idealistic, assuming that "only games matter" and that the most imporant thing is for each company to prove itself to you, the "hardcore" gamer.

The thing is, the market really doesn't have room for three or four near-identical consoles to all succeed... and Nintendo IS trying to run a business.

Considering I was gaming on an NES in 86, then SNES, then Gameboy, N64, Gba, then GC? Yes I would say I am familiar with Nintendo...

Alan

scoobiesnackarf

And yet you are surprised by Nintendo this generation, being so familar?

Oh, and lets continue Nintendo game analysis. I think there is a little more than 'two or three' good games.

Especially that 'gimped' mario kart.

But first, I forgot Mario Strikers, which I personally think is great! I admit I like more than its reviewed.

And Animal Crossing! You know, this was also on N64 (as Animal Forest in Japan only). I mention Animal Forest to simply reinforce the fact that Nintendo generally releases one version of a game per console. And have been doing this FOR YEARS!

Heck, even Mario Party has already been out!

Let me again clarify by saying that I'm not a supporter of Nintendo's new casual gaming focus--it would have been nice if they could have kept on focusing on core games, without any dumbing-down at all.

--ProtoMan--

Nintendo has ALWAYS been focused on the casual. ALWAYS. Doesn't mean every game they make caters to the casual, but thats the primary focus. They just have had the run away success of such a system that contrasts to non-casual systems, thus it seems more apparent.

Don't believe me on the always casual? Nintendo freakn changed the color of blood of the boss at the end from the color red to green, so it would be too gruesome.

How about those Mortal Kombat fatalities when that came out? Remember the removal of those?

Nintendo censorship was something fierce. Even their Wolfenstein was 'gimped'.

Not only that, can anyone tell me what 'Famicom' stood for? If you don't know, look it up. If that doesn't say nintendo has always been casual, don't know what does.

But they are loosening up. Wii launched with Ubisofts Red Steel. now, not a great game, but the game is pretty violent and has much swearing. Pretty surprising for a system that wants to supposedly cater to only 'casuals'.

And they don't forget their past. You can't tell me that Virtual Console is the bomb. There you can play quite a few of your little hardcore Nintendo games from the past.

I still love Nintendo. I even respect the new one. However, there is one thing I detest about what Nintendo is doing now. And it's how they are so light with giving out information. I don't like how they keep things so secretive. It's better to give your core audience a more insight on your future plans rather than having us wait for a very long time for information.....tocool340

I totally agree. Would it have killed them to announce the Zelda, Icarus, or even Pikmin? EVen MS has the FF announcement after all their casual products they were pushing.

Indeed you have to respect nintendo it you want to play mario for the rest of your life and throw a frizby for dog?

true gamers only respect the games and i dont nintendo make any games for hardcore games because it cost too much for there lazy develping team and what they want to do is make fun games **** games).

Do you want to save the same prinsess in zelda for the next decade. or play a stupid looking guy like mario for the 50 more years.

nintendo console is good with the controler. but no hardcore games yet. and sooner or later MicroSoft and Sony well make a better controler because it alwas been like this. The Wolf eat the Sheep.

[QUOTE="--ProtoMan--"]

Let me again clarify by saying that I'm not a supporter of Nintendo's new casual gaming focus--it would have been nice if they could have kept on focusing on core games, without any dumbing-down at all.

flazzle

Nintendo has ALWAYS been focused on the casual. ALWAYS. Doesn't mean every game they make caters to the casual, but thats the primary focus. They just have had the run away success of such a system that contrasts to non-casual systems, thus it seems more apparent.

Don't believe me on the always casual? Nintendo freakn changed the color of blood of the boss at the end from the color red to green, so it would be too gruesome.

How about those Mortal Kombat fatalities when that came out? Remember the removal of those?

Nintendo censorship was something fierce. Even their Wolfenstein was 'gimped'.

Not only that, can anyone tell me what 'Famicom' stood for? If you don't know, look it up. If that doesn't say nintendo has always been casual, don't know what does.

But they are loosening up. Wii launched with Ubisofts Red Steel. now, not a great game, but the game is pretty violent and has much swearing. Pretty surprising for a system that wants to supposedly cater to only 'casuals'.

And they don't forget their past. You can't tell me that Virtual Console is the bomb. There you can play quite a few of your little hardcore Nintendo games from the past.

You are operating under the assumptions that 'core gaming = mature themes' and 'casual gaming = family-friendly' themes. I totally disagree, and honestly, I don't really feel the need to explain myself.

As much all the fanboys don't want to admit, nintendo is No1 right now with a system that has half the graphics of both PS3 and 360; that deserves a lot of respect in my book.Shenmue_Jehuty

why should i care how well its selling, its not the number one console interms of gaming quality thats for sure. The only reason theyve sold the most is because people are buying it cause they think the motion controls are cool, its cheap, and just only play wiisports and wiifit.

You are operating under the assumptions that 'core gaming = mature themes' and 'casual gaming = family-friendly' themes. I totally disagree, and honestly, I don't really feel the need to explain myself.

--ProtoMan--

Of course you don't because you would be hysterically wrong. And what you say are my assumptions are your assumptions.

why should i care how well its selling, its not the number one console interms of gaming quality thats for sure. The only reason theyve sold the most is because people are buying it cause they think the motion controls are cool, its cheap, and just only play wiisports and wiifit.

VendettaRed07

Really? Because i know 5 people with Wii and only one of those has wii fit and they all have many games other than wii sports. Using your logic, wouldn't that mean Nintendo has sold zero games other than Wii fit?

Yes, I respect the old Nintendo, I hate the new one.

Samurai_Xavier

right there with you

i own a nes, snes, 64, and a gc but i refuse to ever buy a wii

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]silly people! for nintendo this gen was do or die...if ninty came out with what hardcore gamers (most of whom prob owned a 360) wanted, it would have been there dreamcast.--ProtoMan--

Wise words. I think most of the "hardcore" gamers around here know this is true to some degree, but refuse to admit it.

Let me clarify by saying that I would have liked the 'Revolution' at least as much as the Wii if it had been a more traditional console. I had N64 and GC exclusively during those generations, and I loved them both.

However, looking back, the sales clearly show that those two more traditional Nintendo machines were simply getting trounced by the PS1 and PS2, respectively (plus, Xbox outsold GC).

It really would be nice to live in an ideal world where every good system is a success--but that's clearly not how it works, as exemplified by the Dreamcast. Nowadays, many gamers look back fondly on Dreamcast for its fairly impressive games lineup and advances in online gaming... that's great and all, but what good does that do Sega? They had to exit the console business because their machine simply didn't sell.

Let me again clarify by saying that I'm not a supporter of Nintendo's new casual gaming focus--it would have been nice if they could have kept on focusing on core games, without any dumbing-down at all.

That said, I must add that I think a lot of you that whine about every little thing Nintendo does are being overly idealistic, assuming that "only games matter" and that the most imporant thing is for each company to prove itself to you, the "hardcore" gamer.

The thing is, the market really doesn't have room for three or four near-identical consoles to all succeed... and Nintendo IS trying to run a business.

Everyone should read this post. Best response I've read thus far after Nintendo's E3 performance.

[QUOTE="D00nut"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="D00nut"]I could honestly care less if Nintendo is bringing gaming to an audience that would never touch it before. So what if they play Wii Sports and music? Does that mean they will be playing Brawl? No. Will I start seeing more people in games like Halo or Team Fortress 2? No. All it's doing is driving Nintendo to serve a bigger table of people looking for a little amusement while leaving those who have enjoyed Nintendo for ages. Sure, they have had games coming out that is a reminder of their old days, but those days are growing further and further away, along with Nintendo's need to bring them back.flazzle

When did they "leave those who have enjoyed Nintendo for ages."?

Was it when they released SMG?

Or SSBB?

Or maybe they should have released a new Mario kart!

And what ever happened to Metroid? Why did they stop at 2? Same with Paper Mario!

I can't believe they forgot all those franchies I mentioned above.

Plus they gimped Mario Kart and Paper Mario IMO.

"Oh, those games come out less and less..." Nice crystal ball you have there. Tell us how Nintendo helped the core gamers before that they aren't now. Tell us how the good old days were? can you? Be specific so I can tear it apart.

Don't get me wrong, I do have respect for what Nintendo has done, but that doesn't mean I respect what they do now with their franchise.

[QUOTE="--ProtoMan--"]

You are operating under the assumptions that 'core gaming = mature themes' and 'casual gaming = family-friendly' themes. I totally disagree, and honestly, I don't really feel the need to explain myself.

flazzle

Of course you don't because you would be hysterically wrong. And what you say are my assumptions are your assumptions.

Well, when you say that Red Steel isn't really fit for casuals because of the blood and swearing, and that the name 'Family Computer' is the definition of casual, I think it's pretty clear how you categorize games.

Everyone should read this post. Best response I've read thus far after Nintendo's E3 performance.

TreyoftheDead

Thanks.

Nintendo is like a politician, pandering to people that don't really care for it all that much.

Nintendo's new strategy was "lets get those new gamers and casuals". So far thats worked quite well, but soon 3rd parties are going to dump them, and the wii will be gamecube all over again. The reason behind it: INCREDIBLY poor game sales. Its extraordinary that the top selling console has the least selling software. I don't want to use the word "fad", it doesn't quite fit, but it is just going to phase out I feel. I think Nintendo's strategy was great for the short term, but what about next gen? What are they going to do then when 3rd parties no longer want their console and newgamers and casuals are fine with their wii still?

[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Yes, I respect the old Nintendo, I hate the new one.

super_mario_128

my thoughts exactly

My exact thoughts. :P

Took the words outta my mouth. :p Seriously, the Wii can't be compared to Nintendo's past greatness.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

why should i care how well its selling, its not the number one console interms of gaming quality thats for sure. The only reason theyve sold the most is because people are buying it cause they think the motion controls are cool, its cheap, and just only play wiisports and wiifit.

flazzle

Really? Because i know 5 people with Wii and only one of those has wii fit and they all have many games other than wii sports. Using your logic, wouldn't that mean Nintendo has sold zero games other than Wii fit?

many many many, ( i know a few personally) people have bought a wii simply for wii sports and wii fit

peripherals and such are the things that mainly drive the sales for wii, sadly

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

Yes, I respect the old Nintendo, I hate the new one.

enral

my thoughts exactly

My exact thoughts. :P

Took the words outta my mouth. :p Seriously, the Wii can't be compared to Nintendo's past greatness.

Nintendo is like a politician, pandering to people that don't really care for it all that much.

Nintendo's new strategy was "lets get those new gamers and casuals". So far thats worked quite well, but soon 3rd parties are going to dump them, and the wii will be gamecube all over again. The reason behind it: INCREDIBLY poor game sales. Its extraordinary that the top selling console has the least selling software. I don't want to use the word "fad", it doesn't quite fit, but it is just going to phase out I feel. I think Nintendo's strategy was great for the short term, but what about next gen? What are they going to do then when 3rd parties no longer want their console and newgamers and casuals are fine with their wii still?

falconclan

since i own the last crystal ball, i would like to say.....gimme back my crystal ball &!%$

oh and it needs to be repaired because whenever you look into it you always see the same text which looks like this:

So far thats worked quite well, but soon 3rd parties are going to dump them, and the wii will be gamecube all over again. The reason behind it: INCREDIBLY poor game sales. Its extraordinary that the top selling console has the least selling software.

and we all know thats not true so...give it back so i can fix it

so why the loss of respect? just curiousflazzle

Because people are shallow and have no vision.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]so why the loss of respect? just curiousTylendal

Because people are shallow and have no vision.

I still love Nintendo. I even respect the new one. However, there is one thing I detest about what Nintendo is doing now. And it's how they are so light with giving out information. I don't like how they keep things so secretive. It's better to give your core audience a more insight on your future plans rather than having us wait for a very long time for information.....tocool340

That is their one big mistake. Have you ever read some of the articles by Malstrom, they're real eye-openers. However, the lack of information is really hurting them among the less visionary hardcore audience.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]so why the loss of respect? just curiousfalconclan

Because people are shallow and have no vision.

A deeper gaming experiance? You mean games like Duck Hunt, Gyromite or Tetris?

History repeats itself, Nintendo's so called "new direction" is actualy an incredibly old one.

[QUOTE="falconclan"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]so why the loss of respect? just curiousTylendal

Because people are shallow and have no vision.

A deeper gaming experiance? You mean games like Duck Hunt, Gyromite or Tetris?

History repeats itself, Nintendo's so called "new direction" is actualy an incredibly old one.

However, for times when I'm not in the mood for nastalgia I'm more in the mood for something like Metal Gear Solid. History may repeat itself, but sometimes its not a good thing, like now IMO. Sure, wii sports is a fun gimmicky experience for 30 minutes, but nitendo is jading the audience that has kept them alive through the n64 and gamecube generations.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="falconclan"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]so why the loss of respect? just curiousfalconclan

Because people are shallow and have no vision.

A deeper gaming experiance? You mean games like Duck Hunt, Gyromite or Tetris?

History repeats itself, Nintendo's so called "new direction" is actualy an incredibly old one.

However, for times when I'm not in the mood for nastalgia I'm more in the mood for something like Metal Gear Solid. History may repeat itself, but sometimes its not a good thing, like now IMO. Sure, wii sports is a fun gimmicky experience for 30 minutes, but nitendo is jading the audience that has kept them alive through the n64 and gamecube generations.

You don't get it.

Duck Hunt was based around a gimmick. Gyromite was advertised as the main selling point for the Nes when it first arrived in the U.S., because it was a game that worked with "ROB the T.V. robot", and Tetris rocketed the gameboy to fame despite being an incredibly simple and straightforward game.

It's not the quality of these games that matter, it's the intention. These were simple, gimmicky, casual games, that drew in the non-gamer market, because the traditional hardcore market were playing on vastly superior mini computers.

Now do you see the correlation between now and 1985?

I agree with you that Nintendo have stepped aside a little to let third partys get some sales/attention, what they should have done is made a point of helping the third partys get the word out about their game and maybe even give the some help (even if it is only cash, why not its the done thing these days) for example High voltage soft.

I agree with you that Nintendo have stepped aside a little to let third partys get some sales/attention, what they should have done is made a point of helping the third partys get the word out about their game and maybe even give the some help (even if it is only cash, why not its the done thing these days) for example High voltage soft.

SapSacPrime

Again, another impression that I really got from the conference immediately. If you notice, they only really announced three first party titles, only two of which were actually new, and only one of which targeted the hardcore.

However, I think that Nintendo should let the third parties think for themselves, and focus their own efforts on their own games. As for giving the third parties cash? No, just no. Royalties from the games is all they need, let them earn their own money.

Nintendo's past is the best, I loved all their systems till the Wii

The Wii has made me truly detest Nintendo, moreso then EA

Toriko42

To be honest with you, The gamecube is the ninty console that i didn't like... then the wii came out Ninty

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

I think the wii is a continuation of what nintendo stand for.

I don't think that nintendo has changed its appraoach to gaming, I think I have. Although I have moved away from nintendo and into microsofts arms, I still have the upper most respect for nintendo.

If I had to pick a name that represents gaming that name would be nintendo.

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

Adonymous

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

[QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

angryfodder

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

Tylendal

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

Exactly, Nintendo used to make games that catered to hardcore people because of exciting and amazing gameplay. Now they're concentrating on Wii XXXX which aren't even games...

Nintendo has failed me...and millions of others.

I have no respect for the current nintnedo...none whatsoever.

The old Nintendo I will always stand by, but this NEWTENDO can go **** itself.

[QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

angryfodder

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

Pretty much every Metroid game is hardcore (except that pinball game for DS).

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

Tylendal

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

ok, and what title won game of the year.

Surely getting game of the year is hardcore

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

Tylendal

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

Firelore29

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

...or that they don't care anymore...just want to make a quick buck...i mean how the hell do all the showelvare games get approved?...what happened to NINTENDO SEAL OF QUALITY?

I have some seriously rubbish titles on my my nes and snes.

I think the N64 was a high point for nintendo's quality over quantity - but its not always been the case.

I actually think the Wii is genius stroke in gaming. It may not be l33t, it may not be "hardcore" but it is 100% gaming.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

angryfodder

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

ok, and what title won game of the year.

Surely getting game of the year is hardcore

Super Mario Galaxy won gamespot game of the year but I guess you still don't consider games like that to be hardcore because to you, hardcore involves blood and gore.

people that hate the new nintendo just need to have a bit of patience IMO

they've continued to deliver quality titles .. SMG, SSBB etc

sure, they're focusing a lot more on casuals now than they've done in the past, but it's because they have to .. if they made another console like the GC, they might have been in last place right now

plus, games like wii fit etc are being made by new development teams, with very few people .. like around 20

the old teams are still busy making marios, zeldas etc

that won't change .. we're still gonna get classic nintendo games, they just aren't ready to show them yet

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Nintendo apologists ftl.

Dude Nintendo doesn't care about Hardcore anymore...they made that clear....any hardcore that still backs them is very delusional.

Dr-Doctor

The hardcore plumber and his brother in the mushroom kingdom, going off to rescue a princess for a dragon man thing?

When have nintendo ever been "hardcore"

They even removed blood from mortal combat when the snes version was released.

You're confusing gratuitous violence with game quality again. :roll: (not that that wasn't a little paranoid).

What makes a game hardcore is the gameplay experience. Your definition has just declared 50cent Bulletproof as more hardcore than Blue Dragon.

ok, and what title won game of the year.

Surely getting game of the year is hardcore

Super Mario Galaxy won gamespot game of the year but I guess you still don't consider games like that to be hardcore because to you, hardcore involves blood and gore.

You are not following this conversation very well.

HE SAYS:Nintendo are not very hardcore

(my understanding of hardcore is something that is quite graphic, something for the other audiance and contains mature content)

I SAY:Nintendo have never been hardcore

HE SAYS:Gore and stuff isn't hardcore - quality is hardcore

So I say: Well in that context of hardcore - look at the game of the year. A nintendo title. Thus, going off your own version of hardcore, nintendo clearly are still hardcore.

Is any of this making sense to you yet?