The screen isn't large enough, the controls aren't good enough.
It won't happen.
Why Phones Will Replace Consoles!
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*sigh* im not saying that gaming isnt going that route also which is why i point out that consoles can also do this that and a third with the exception being mobile it does everything else better. there is no bias coming from me as i own a smartphone and also have games on it myself. also if you read my text thoroughly i didnt say that there wasnt a demand for it i said that not every person that has a phone, even a smartphone, plays games, or send messages, or video playback or anything like that. you have to understand that these are the phones that the companies have available. these are the phones that theyre giving out deals and freebies for. not saying that the other phones arent available, they just arent as popular. i think half of the problem with your statement is that you take my statements out of context.... and no im not insinuating that the invention of the mobile phone is a counter arguement to people wanting all in one devices. (Wtf?, i have no idea where you get that O.o)
90mil wii owners. i can tell you that ALL of them are not casual players and they do care about performance.....check the wii boards. and here on SW or any other gaming website/magazine/store/review etc. true people want a good experience, no matter the game that they choose to play or system they choose to play it on but the existance of one system or another doesnt prove that people want more or less of a performance hike or dip depending on the circumstance. also, im not capable of considering other peoples needs?? again with the hyperbole. did i not say that not everyone who has a mobile phone has one for game or uses it to its max potential. i think sir that you are the one inflated enough to think that everyone who has a smartphone or any kind of device uses it for the same thing. they dont....everyone has different tasts and wants which is why we have so many choices. that honestly was a horrible attempt to try and portray me to be this biased gamer that cant accept change or other peoples views. try harder. i game on PC as well dude. in fact there arent many forms out now that i havent covered. ive been gaming on pc's since before you were born bro. check the Apple IIGS. also you and your friend seem to feel compelled to throw around this whole "threatened" thing a little to much.
obviously you dont read sigs since i also have a wii so, by not buying a weak system you mean that i do in factown one, then yes youre correct. and i have NEVER been against smartphone gaming as previously stated i have a smartphone with games on it....im saying they will not be the main focus in the gaming world. you even failed to mention that stated that everyone has their own choice of gaming needs and wants. whats the matter with you all not reading a statement fully?
slvrraven9
You're doing a lot of what you are accusing me of doing it seems. You accused me of exaggerating your comments, and then you exaggerate mine. I used the Wii as a example of gamers being happy with a experience that isn't current gen, but for whatever reason; you seem to think varience in opion within the group; somehow negates this argument. I don't see how that is a valid argument, people are always going to have varying opinions, I was simply arguing that not everyone is going to care about having the latest and greatest. Console themselves show this, given the audience seems fine with their technical inferiority to PC.
What I do know is you went from "i dont know why you would want to let alone need to use your smartphone for something like that, at home, when you do have the option to have that ability done better with something else. i can understand when you dont have that option, when youre out and about but it makes absolutly no sense to use your smartphone when you have a ps3, or pc, or any other media player....unless its your choice to have nothing more than a smartphone and in that case, thats your option." to adopting a more middle ground position. We've essentially gone from you arguing that "no reason to do this" to "everyone has different tastes". The above is more of a personal attack than a counter argument to be frank.
Given your more recent neutral shift in argument, is there any point in continuing this discussion? As you are no longer using the argument that originally provoked me to question your reasoning.
2 hour battery life when used for games along with inadequate controls make sure that phones will never replace consoles, let alone handhelds.
Edit: This is from someone with a Tegra 2 phone, they simply don't deliver the same gaming experience.
Filthybastrd
The screen isn't large enough, the controls aren't good enough.
It won't happen.
StealthMonkey4
Does anyone read threads any more? These complaints were debunked.
If phones replace consoles, i quit gaming forever.
If phones replace consoles, i quit gaming forever.
smashed_pinata
An exaggeration of course. But in all honesty, what's the difference? What's so different from the mobile phone gaming experience that you would be disgusted?
Here's a Lost Planet 2 tech demo running on a Tegra 3. Obviously the graphics have been downgraded, but from a mobile chipset; that's impressive.
So graphics aside. The future mobile phone enables you to play the game on your HDTV, sat on the couch with your game pad.
What's the difference if there is a console hooked up to the TV or a phone? It's the same game play experience.
[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]
If phones replace consoles, i quit gaming forever.
AnnoyedDragon
An exaggeration of course.
I agree. I usually wonder why people over-act like this as if it is the end of the world, but eventually, they accept it and move on. I see this reactionary (actually xenophobic) response by gamers who fear change and want the status quo to remain forever.
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
You're doing a lot of what you are accusing me of doing it seems. You accused me of exaggerating your comments, and then you exaggerate mine. I used the Wii as a example of gamers being happy with a experience that isn't current gen, but for whatever reason; you seem to think varience in opion within the group; somehow negates this argument. I don't see how that is a valid argument, people are always going to have varying opinions, I was simply arguing that not everyone is going to care about having the latest and greatest. Console themselves show this, given the audience seems fine with their technical inferiority to PC.
What I do know is you went from "i dont know why you would want to let alone need to use your smartphone for something like that, at home, when you do have the option to have that ability done better with something else. i can understand when you dont have that option, when youre out and about but it makes absolutly no sense to use your smartphone when you have a ps3, or pc, or any other media player....unless its your choice to have nothing more than a smartphone and in that case, thats your option." to adopting a more middle ground position. We've essentially gone from you arguing that "no reason to do this" to "everyone has different tastes". The above is more of a personal attack than a counter argument to be frank.
even in this statement im not saying that people dont use smartphones, for gaming or video or anything like that. what im saying is AT HOME, why use a smartphone when you can have a superior experience using something else if you have the option to? im still using the same approach i used when i entered this thread and i will not deter from it. i still see smartphones as inferior to home consoles but i do recognize that people )myself included) use them for gaming purposes. perhaps youre having trouble taking all that ive said and formulating a general opinon or at least a rational idea...
Given your more recent neutral shift in argument, is there any point in continuing this discussion? As you are no longer using the argument that originally provoked me to question your reasoning.
if you want to continue this discussion thats fine by me, ill still assume the same stance ive had from the beginning. i have no intention of changing my mind at this point.
[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]
2 hour battery life when used for games along with inadequate controls make sure that phones will never replace consoles, let alone handhelds.
Edit: This is from someone with a Tegra 2 phone, they simply don't deliver the same gaming experience.
AnnoyedDragon
The screen isn't large enough, the controls aren't good enough.
It won't happen.
StealthMonkey4
Does anyone read threads any more? These complaints were debunked.
[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]
If phones replace consoles, i quit gaming forever.
AnnoyedDragon
An exaggeration of course. But in all honesty, what's the difference? What's so different from the mobile phone gaming experience that you would be disgusted?
Here's a Lost Planet 2 tech demo running on a Tegra 3. Obviously the graphics have been downgraded, but from a mobile chipset; that's impressive.
So graphics aside. The future mobile phone enables you to play the game on your HDTV, sat on the couch with your game pad.
What's the difference if there is a console hooked up to the TV or a phone? It's the same game play experience.
So you carry a bigass phone around that you have to connect to a TV and play rather than use a console? That's not even mobile gaming, that's just using a phone as a console because it's more convenient than a big console. You'd still have to have a controller and an HDTV.
The Cortex A9 is already being used for 1080p video output on tablets, Tegra 2 is better performing than that; and it's in today's high end phones
AnnoyedDragon
To play 1080p, Cortex A9 CPU ussually use hardware video decoder. The CPU itself is about on par with Intel Atom.
Cortex A9 CPU IP itself implements 64bit hardware SIMD, while Neon ISA specs to 128bit SIMD i.e. setup similar to Pentium III i.e. 128bit SSE ISA while the hardware SIMD is implemented as 64bits. Like PowerPC, Cortex A9 uses FMA3. From memory, PowerPC's VMX SIMD always implements 128bit hardware.
You then have to factor in 32bit external bus and slow DDR2 or DDR3 speeds.
The problem with NVIDIA and Imagination (PowerVR) is that ARM will do it's own "Fusion" with it's ARM's Mali GPU designs.
AMD and Intel is reducing the need for NVIDIA in PC market, while ARM reducing the need for NVIDIA and Imagination from smartphone market.
Please note that AMD Z-01 APU kills every single Cortex A9 based tablets in CaffeineMark 3.0 http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/cm30/and SunSpider benchmark.
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[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]
If phones replace consoles, i quit gaming forever.
thom_maytees
An exaggeration of course.
I agree. I usually wonder why people over-act like this as if it is the end of the world, but eventually, they accept it and move on. I see this reactionary (actually xenophobic) response by gamers who fear change and want the status quo to remain forever.Thats the furthest thing from the truth. I just don't like gaming on phones.
if you want to continue this discussion thats fine by me, ill still assume the same stance ive had from the beginning. i have no intention of changing my mind at this point.
slvrraven9
Given I have directly quoted you stating that you saw no reason for anyone to pick a phone over a console, and had shifted to a more neutral stance in that previous post; referring to people having different tastes. I think it is fair to say that you changed your stance. Whether or not you choose to recognise that, I cannot really force you. But your own comment is there as clear as day. That said, you've switch back with the below. It's no longer preference, it's "what's the point?" again. This inconsistency is making it difficult to debate.
even in this statement im not saying that people dont use smartphones, for gaming or video or anything like that. what im saying is AT HOME, why use a smartphone when you can have a superior experience using something else if you have the option to? im still using the same approach i used when i entered this thread and i will not deter from it. i still see smartphones as inferior to home consoles but i do recognize that people )myself included) use them for gaming purposes. perhaps youre having trouble taking all that ive said and formulating a general opinon or at least a rational idea...
slvrraven9
For the same reason that most people do everything with their phone, as opposed to their better performing; dedicated equivilents. I have gone through this numerous times now, most people prefer the convenience of a consolidated device; over multiple dedicated devices. Why would a casual gamer purchase a dedicated gaming machine, when they already have a phone that meets their gaming needs? And they can hook this phone to a HDTV, with a controller. Why would they pay out for a dedicated gaming device when they already have a "good enough" one?
The problem is you are thinking like a core gamer, not a casual gamer. These were people who were happy with Wii sports and other such games, now you expect them to buy a £200-£300 machine and buy £40 games. When they can get a good enough one for their needs from Android market for under £5, on a device they likely already own for their other needs.
You know, in SW there are many PC gamers that regard consoles as a inferior device. Why play on something that has more expensive games, worse graphics and next to no customizability? Because consoles are "good enough" for the typical gamer, and I'm saying mobile phones may be good enough for the typical casual gamer. That you personally don't see a reason to stick with a phone you already own, as opposed to going out and buying a console, doesn't reflect what other people may want.
Personally, my Android mobile cost like £90, ZTE Blade to be more specific. It's a cheapo phone I rooted and stuck Android 2.2 on, significantly increasing its performance. It will run pretty much any game that is available on the market right now. Given some time, I expect the performance bar for cheapo phones to become far higher. As the likes of a HDMI port trickle down into cheaper models, expect things to become interesting, particularly as more developers start supporting mobile gaming.
So you carry a bigass phone around that you have to connect to a TV and play rather than use a console? That's not even mobile gaming, that's just using a phone as a console because it's more convenient than a big console. You'd still have to have a controller and an HDTV.
StealthMonkey4
Big ass phone? I don't think that is a appropriate description for modern mobiles, given 4" screens are as big as they come.
I don't see what it is that you are objecting to. It's a phone, with all the capabilities of a phone, that also has the option of being hooked up to a TV; and played with a game pad. You wouldn't have to have a controller and a HDTV, it is there as a option, and I don't see why having more options is a bad thing.
The "issue" being discussed in this thread, is whether people think it would be a threat to consoles, given it is duplicating the console experience with a phone. Realistically, the console gamers are going to stick with their consoles, and there will be casual gamers who will just use their phone. Yeah it won't be as powerful or as hardcore as a dedicated console, but there are lots of things mobiles do that their dedicated equivalents do better, most people are just happy with the more convenient all in one option.
Anyway I think I'll call it a night now, it's quite late my end.
[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]
So you carry a bigass phone around that you have to connect to a TV and play rather than use a console? That's not even mobile gaming, that's just using a phone as a console because it's more convenient than a big console. You'd still have to have a controller and an HDTV.
AnnoyedDragon
Big ass phone? I don't think that is a appropriate description for modern mobiles, given 4" screens are as big as they come.
I don't see what it is that you are objecting to. It's a phone, with all the capabilities of a phone, that also has the option of being hooked up to a TV; and played with a game pad. You wouldn't have to have a controller and a HDTV, it is there as a option, and I don't see why having more options is a bad thing.
The "issue" being discussed in this thread, is whether people think it would be a threat to consoles, given it is duplicating the console experience with a phone. Realistically, the console gamers are going to stick with their consoles, and there will be casual gamers who will just use their phone. Yeah it won't be as powerful or as hardcore as a dedicated console, but there are lots of things mobiles do that their dedicated equivalents do better, most people are just happy with the more convenient all in one option.
Anyway I think I'll call it a night now, it's quite late my end.
I guess I misunderstood the thread. I don't mind having a phone just replacing a console and just being able to hook up the phone to a TV and controller and experience a console game through a mobile phone. However, I really don't think a phone with a small screen and touch controls will work well for any complex game.
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
The invention of the mobile phone is a counter argument to people wanting all in one devices? You have a very strange way of thinking.
Plus for the record, I am 25.
That the mobile phone, upon creation, was just a mobile phone; is irrelevant under the context of today's market. That modern mobile phones and other devices have been consolidated into one device is evidence enough that people are happy with and demand a consolidated device. That these functions were once individual devices a decade+ ago, is not a argument against today's market and where it is going. The existence of the consolidated device that we call a mobile phone today, is evidence enough that there is demand for such a device. Otherwise, it wouldn't exist today. People will have purchased dedicated devices years back, rather than the worse performing; but multifunctional devices that were available. The market wouldn't have taken this direction if it wasn't what consumers wanted.
That you argue in favour of consumers wanting a consolidated all in one device, for multitasking, but make special rules for gaming as something they don't want; just demonstrates your bias again. What is it about gaming that exempts it from everything else the device does? Because in the real world, phones are gaming capable, and people actually play games on them. These games have been advancing slowly, from the snake of the old days; to the Angry Birds of today. But progress has been accelerated by the availability of high performance ARM chips. Whose capabilities are multiplying annually.
Again, all of this wouldn't be happening if there wasn't a market demand for high powered phones. What are they going to do with all that performance; if they just want the phone to call people, text and browse the web? Decent flash performance was achieved not too long ago with the Cortex A9, but there is a road-map for much higher performance with the Tegra 3 and Cortex A15 chips. The Corex A9 is already running the full web experience at good speed and can even run 1080p videos. Clearly, they want to branch out smartphones far beyond just phone capabilities, otherwise why plan such powerful chips?
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
my point about this statement is the fact that smartphones cannot do what consoles can do (to its degree)in this case when it comes to home entertainment, video playback etc. smartphones have hdmi true...im not disputing that fact and maybe someday they will be able to output 1080p or have 7.1 surround, but at this point in its life that ability simply isnt an option. i dont know why you would want to let alone need to use your smartphone for something like that, at home, when you do have the option to have that ability done better with something else. i can understand when you dont have that option, when youre out and about but it makes absolutly no sense to use your smartphone when you have a ps3, or pc, or any other media player....unless its your choice to have nothing more than a smartphone and in that case, thats your option.
AnnoyedDragon
The Cortex A9 is already being used for 1080p video output on tablets, Tegra 2 is better performing than that; and it's in today's high end phones. The Tegra 3 due out next year has been demonstrated running 1440p video, which is higher resolution than the PS3's Blu-ray.
That performance is here now, not some distant future.
I've already gone into detail why a casual gamer that already owns a smartphone, would appreciate one more of their devices being consolidated into their phone. Casual gamers do not care about the performance capabilities of consoles, the Wii proved that. What they care about is a good enough gaming experience, which their phone can offer them. That performance is here today, it just needs to trickle down into cheaper phones; and get more developers support. Which is growing, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now if it wasn't.
You don't seem capable of considering other people's needs, imposing your own on them. I'm a PC gamer and I can see why a casual gamer would benefit from this, what's your problem? I can only assume you feel threatened in some manner, so are out to downplay this whole thing.
if you honestly believe smartphones have any thread to "home" consoles then i really dont even know what to say except check the green highlighted statement as i think that covers it quite well. i have very little doubt that core gamers lose any amount of sleep worrying about whether smartphones will moves into the home console market. a gamer is a gamer from casuals to core and everyone inbetween, what they choose to play on is just that their choice. this movement isnt made so that it makes people feel threatened or someome else, insecure, that makes absolutely no sense. the only ones that portray core gamers as having feeling "threatened" by this is the people that claim that these two markets cannot coexist without one establishing dominance over the other. thus has been the way of things since late nintendo...
slvrraven9
If by "covers well" you mean imposing your own tastes and opinions on others? You cannot see a reason to own one, but everyone isn't you. By your own logic, the Wii shouldn't have succeeded. Because what's the point in buying such a weak gaming system; when there are hardcore alternatives available?
I do think you are being very insecure about all this. You talk about co-existence in this particular quote, but your arguments up to this point have been against smartphone gaming, arguing that no one could possibly choose it over the console experience. The idea that there is a large audience that would choose a phone as their primary gaming device, over a console, clearly disturbs you.
"no i have not."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIe8wQBqS0
The tegra 3 is still not going to outperform current consoles . Running video in 1440p and running a game in 1440p are two completely diffrent things. And by the time the tegra 3 is released the PS3 and 360 will be on the backburner behind there far more powerful younger siblings. If anything it may take from someo f the Wii market as you are right casul gamers dont care about performance but core gamers which is far over 100 million consumers will never defect toward smartphones.lol noone cares about those random numbers you listed. they might as well be hiroglyphics. can you play call of duty on a 4 inch screen? no. can you gather around with you friends and all play the same game no.
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
Given I have directly quoted you stating that you saw no reason for anyone to pick a phone over a console, and had shifted to a more neutral stance in that previous post; referring to people having different tastes. I think it is fair to say that you changed your stance. Whether or not you choose to recognise that, I cannot really force you. But your own comment is there as clear as day. That said, you've switch back with the below. It's no longer preference, it's "what's the point?" again. This inconsistency is making it difficult to debate.
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
even in this statement im not saying that people dont use smartphones, for gaming or video or anything like that. what im saying is AT HOME, why use a smartphone when you can have a superior experience using something else if you have the option to? im still using the same approach i used when i entered this thread and i will not deter from it. i still see smartphones as inferior to home consoles but i do recognize that people )myself included) use them for gaming purposes. perhaps youre having trouble taking all that ive said and formulating a general opinon or at least a rational idea...
AnnoyedDragon
For the same reason that most people do everything with their phone, as opposed to their better performing; dedicated equivilents. I have gone through this numerous times now, most people prefer the convenience of a consolidated device; over multiple dedicated devices. Why would a casual gamer purchase a dedicated gaming machine, when they already have a phone that meets their gaming needs? And they can hook this phone to a HDTV, with a controller. Why would they pay out for a dedicated gaming device when they already have a "good enough" one?
The problem is you are thinking like a core gamer, not a casual gamer. These were people who were happy with Wii sports and other such games, now you expect them to buy a £200-£300 machine and buy £40 games. When they can get a good enough one for their needs from Android market for under £5, on a device they likely already own for their other needs.
You know, in SW there are many PC gamers that regard consoles as a inferior device. Why play on something that has more expensive games, worse graphics and next to no customizability? Because consoles are "good enough" for the typical gamer, and I'm saying mobile phones may be good enough for the typical casual gamer. That you personally don't see a reason to stick with a phone you already own, as opposed to going out and buying a console, doesn't reflect what other people may want.
Personally, my Android mobile cost like £90, ZTE Blade to be more specific. It's a cheapo phone I rooted and stuck Android 2.2 on, significantly increasing its performance. It will run pretty much any game that is available on the market right now. Given some time, I expect the performance bar for cheapo phones to become far higher. As the likes of a HDMI port trickle down into cheaper models, expect things to become interesting, particularly as more developers start supporting mobile gaming.
So you carry a bigass phone around that you have to connect to a TV and play rather than use a console? That's not even mobile gaming, that's just using a phone as a console because it's more convenient than a big console. You'd still have to have a controller and an HDTV.
StealthMonkey4
Big ass phone? I don't think that is a appropriate description for modern mobiles, given 4" screens are as big as they come.
I don't see what it is that you are objecting to. It's a phone, with all the capabilities of a phone, that also has the option of being hooked up to a TV; and played with a game pad. You wouldn't have to have a controller and a HDTV, it is there as a option, and I don't see why having more options is a bad thing.
The "issue" being discussed in this thread, is whether people think it would be a threat to consoles, given it is duplicating the console experience with a phone. Realistically, the console gamers are going to stick with their consoles, and there will be casual gamers who will just use their phone. Yeah it won't be as powerful or as hardcore as a dedicated console, but there are lots of things mobiles do that their dedicated equivalents do better, most people are just happy with the more convenient all in one option.
Anyway I think I'll call it a night now, it's quite late my end.
honestly im dumbfounded. you quote me in one sentence and then quote what im referring to in another quote and then say ive changed my stance. i, i dont know what to say.
from the beginning i said i see no reason to use a mobile phone for gaming at home or replace the console at home for a smartphone when you can have a superior experience with a console. you say ive changed my stance from against, to neutral. my stance has always been neutral i just dont understand why someone would choose to eliminate consoles or think that mobile phones will dominate over consoles in ANY circumstance BUT i understand that everyone has their own preference im merely (as any discussion would go) espressing my point of view. and then you go on to form a rebuttal about the same issue that ive been stating all along. as far as casual preference....i think the wii and kinect speak for themselves fairly well. smartphones are great for on the go gaming but you just cant get the experience that consoles give you on a smartphone. and thats a fact. with all the evolution smartphones make, they will always be a step behind consoles.
and as before ive stated im also a PC gamer, so theres no need to form even the slightest idea that im console only. or that i only game on the most accessable tried and true medium....but not only that im the true definition of a manticore. i game on every single kind of device you possibly can avaible at this time, i dont know why we have to continuously go over the same stuff over and over. i have family (casuals inlcuded) that game whatever youve heard about people gaming, theyre right here.if you want to have a discussion thats fine but all youre doing is saying the same things over and over.
personally i have the HTC Evo and even though they have the 3d i see no reason to move up to it when i have the opportunity.
yeah its kinda late here too, i may hit the sack soon. after i get some game time in...
The tegra 3 is still not going to outperform current consoles . Running video in 1440p and running a game in 1440p are two completely diffrent things. And by the time the tegra 3 is released the PS3 and 360 will be on the backburner behind there far more powerful younger siblings. If anything it may take from someo f the Wii market as you are right casul gamers dont care about performance but core gamers which is far over 100 million consumers will never defect toward smartphones.DevilAtrix
I never said they would be, in fact I posted a video showing Tegra 3 couldn't compete. I've been saying having the latest and greatest performance isn't going to be a factor for these people; throughout the thread. He spoke about 1080p video, so I just gave examples of phones outputting high resolution video.
honestly im dumbfounded. you quote me in one sentence and then quote what im referring to in another quote and then say ive changed my stance. i, i dont know what to say.
from the beginning i said i see no reason to use a mobile phone for gaming at home or replace the console at home for a smartphone when you can have a superior experience with a console. you say ive changed my stance from against, to neutral. my stance has always been neutral i just dont understand why someone would choose to eliminate consoles or think that mobile phones will dominate over consoles in ANY circumstance BUT i understand that everyone has their own preference im merely (as any discussion would go) espressing my point of view. and then you go on to form a rebuttal about the same issue that ive been stating all along. as far as casual preference....i think the wii and kinect speak for themselves fairly well. smartphones are great for on the go gaming but you just cant get the experience that consoles give you on a smartphone. and thats a fact. with all the evolution smartphones make, they will always be a step behind consoles.
slvrraven9
Well I'll drop the comments on the shifting opinion then, I'm just saying from my impression; there was a shift in stance on the debate. I've already gone through why I think someone would choose a phone over a console, so I won't repeat that. I'm just saying I can understand, given the context of future phone capability, why someone would just play on their phone; rather than a dedicated gaming machine. It doesn't really matter if phones don't "catch up" with consoles, because it's about a "good enough" and cheap gaming experience.
The way I see it, consumers are always adopting the latest phones. They are going to indirectly adopt a gaming capable device in the process, which will be more powerful than today's equivalents; thanks to future Tegra and Cortex A chipsets. Whether they utilize those phone functions is give or take, but if they do; then it may suit their gaming needs to the point that they don't need another device. Like a phone camera is pretty crappy, but it suits most people's needs to the point that a dedicated camera isn't needed. That you and me may prefer a dedicated machine for gaming, isn't to say a casual won't think differently.
and as before ive stated im also a PC gamer, so theres no need to form even the slightest idea that im console only. or that i only game on the most accessable tried and true medium....but not only that im the true definition of a manticore. i game on every single kind of device you possibly can avaible at this time, i dont know why we have to continuously go over the same stuff over and over. i have family (casuals inlcuded) that game whatever youve heard about people gaming, theyre right here.if you want to have a discussion thats fine but all youre doing is saying the same things over and over.
personally i have the HTC Evo and even though they have the 3d i see no reason to move up to it when i have the opportunity.
yeah its kinda late here too, i may hit the sack soon. after i get some game time in...
slvrraven9
I don't judge people by the platforms they play on, I judge them by their arguments personally. So that you play on multiple platforms; isn't really a factor for me, someone can still be biased against something and play on that platform.
Console gaming is GROWING. Yet its going to fail? 6matt6
Console gaming expenditure shrank by nearly a third last year.
Not saying anything other than that, just giving you the figures.
[QUOTE="6matt6"]Console gaming is GROWING. Yet its going to fail? AnnoyedDragon
Console gaming expenditure shrank by nearly a third last year.
Not saying anything other than that, just giving you the figures.
Over-all. Thats one year. Compare console sales this gen to last gen. It speaks for itself. We have 3 consoles that are going to sell over 50 million.Over-all. Thats one year. Compare console sales this gen to last gen. It speaks for itself. We have 3 consoles that are going to sell over 50 million. 6matt6
And given Microsofts most recent conference, I'm sure the larger target audiences of the future; will be of value to the typical SW console gamer.
2 hour battery life when used for games along with inadequate controls make sure that phones will never replace consoles, let alone handhelds.
Edit: This is from someone with a Tegra 2 phone, they simply don't deliver the same gaming experience.
Filthybastrd
Yeah if you get that kind of battery life with a phone, then they will not replace even handhelds. If my 3DS battery dies on the go, oh well tough luck, if my phone dies however I'm cut off from easy communication and run the risk of getting into a situation where that communication would be need but I don't have it (i.e. emergency situation).
Interesting, I was discussing the 3DS versus the upcoming PS Vita with a friend of mine earlier today and all he said was "get an iPhone or something." :|
Well, **** that -- I'm getting a 3DS or a PS Vita. :D
[QUOTE="6matt6"]Console gaming is GROWING. Yet its going to fail? AnnoyedDragon
Console gaming expenditure shrank by nearly a third last year.
Not saying anything other than that, just giving you the figures.
I'm not really sure which of these "industry analyst" companies are supposed to be most reliable, but Flurry believes that the declines are limited to dedicated portable devices. They claim to at least base their estimates off of NPD Group data."Studying the chart above, console and smart-device games have increased at the expense of portable gaming. Overall, total U.S. game revenue from 2009 to 2010 is relatively flat, totalling $10.4 billion and $10.7 billion, respectively. However, while console game revenue increased slightly, from about $7.4 billion in 2009 to $7.8 billion in 2010, the combination of declines in portable gaming software and a jump in smart-device app sales has squeezed the portable game category down from 24% market share in 2009 to just 16% in 2010." [link]
But anyway, as we in System Wars know, the consoles in decline over the last couple years are certainly not the 360 and PS3 -- neither in terms of hardware sales nor software revenue. The consoles in decline are the Wii, the DS and the PSP.
[QUOTE="Jane_22"]You won't be saying that when Legend of Zelda: Mobile Sword comes out. Look at the possibilities, it expands gaming to a bigger market than anything seen before. This is the chance for gaming to become mainstream. gaming is already mainstream. No thanks.mobile gamer? lawl?
ill leave it for the farmville gamers, thank you
Olimar_the_Min
[QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"][QUOTE="Jane_22"]You won't be saying that when Legend of Zelda: Mobile Sword comes out. Look at the possibilities, it expands gaming to a bigger market than anything seen before. This is the chance for gaming to become mainstream. gaming is already mainstream. No thanks.mobile gamer? lawl?
ill leave it for the farmville gamers, thank you
Elann2008
I don't think gaming has been identified as a 'mainstream' entertainment form. There is this steoreotype that gaming is bad for a variety or reasons especially the 'hardcore' gamers and games.
Mobile gaming would be great and expand the good games to more platforms.
gaming is already mainstream. No thanks.[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Olimar_the_Min"] You won't be saying that when Legend of Zelda: Mobile Sword comes out. Look at the possibilities, it expands gaming to a bigger market than anything seen before. This is the chance for gaming to become mainstream.gameking5000
I don't think gaming has been identified as a 'mainstream' entertainment form. There is this steoreotype that gaming is bad for a variety or reasons especially the 'hardcore' gamers and games.
Mobile gaming would be great and expand the good games to more platforms.
Ahh someone who sees the light
A new rendition of the DS and PSP comes out every year. The differences between Iphones is far less than say a DS. Entire features are missed out, such as the old ones do not even have 3D. (Which is a good thing)A new iPhone comes out every year. It won't happen. And it's a 750Mhz CPU, not 1GHz.
scoots9
gaming is already mainstream. No thanks.Elann2008
I don't think gaming has been identified as a 'mainstream' entertainment form. There is this steoreotype that gaming is bad for a variety or reasons especially the 'hardcore' gamers and games.
Mobile gaming would be great and expand the good games to more platforms.
Ahh someone who sees the light the wii, kinect and psp pretty much made gaming "mainstream" honestly, stop kidding yourself. If its on the Oprah show (Kinect), Its mainstream. and the wii....cmon...
[QUOTE="scoots9"]A new rendition of the DS and PSP comes out every year. The differences between Iphones is far less than say a DS. Entire features are missed out, such as the old ones do not even have 3D. (Which is a good thing)A new iPhone comes out every year. It won't happen. And it's a 750Mhz CPU, not 1GHz.
Olimar_the_Min
New DSs and PSP come out closer to every two years. The difference between iPhones is vast (with the exception of the iPhone to the 3G, which only redesigned the case and added a 3G radio). They have different processors, the newest versions of iOS can only run on newer models. More demanding iPhone games require a 3GS or a 4 and as time goes on older OSs lose compatibility with games and Apps.
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