Why the NGP has a massive advantage over 3DS

Alot of people assume that 3DS will be victorious in the handheld war simply because the DS beat the PSP, meaning they expect the same results with NGP and 3DS. Sounds logical, but I personally dont agree with this idea, because PS2 sales were much higher thanthe GameCube and Xbox last gen, yet that didn't stop the PS3 from having poor sales in comparion to Wii nowadays. You can't assume that NGP will lose just like the PSP did.

So... the REAL reason why NGP will succeed is because its a portable HD console and will share many games with Xbox 360 and PS3. Look how many games are based on Unreal Engine 3, truckloads of them. Any future games made on UE3 will be easy to port over to NGP as well. If I was a developer, I would rather use UE3 to make a game for three systems (PS3 + 360 + NGP), rather than make a brand new engine just for one system (3DS). Sure, I understand that this means NGP will recieve many ports from PS3/360, but its still good because you can choose whether you want to buy a game for PS3 (slightly better graphics + Move support) or NGP (portability, touch screen and touchpad). I am actually excited about playing PS3-like games on a handheld. Imagine if Fallout 4 or Mass Effect 3 was playable on NGP. Talk about awesome :D

Your thoughts?

NGP will propably lose the sales war to 3DS, but i think NGP is still the better one of those two.

just like i prefer PS3 over Wii, even that Wii has sold more. preference, that's the word.

e: some people just like Nintendo's library more. There's nothing Sony can ever do about it.

the NGP out specs the 3ds. it has more superior hardware NGP will probably lose in sales though, but sales doesnt make a system any better NWA90s

PSP had better specs than the DS as well...but the DS was far superior in every other aspect including the most major of them all....GAMES

don't expect the NGP to be better than the 3DS just because of specs...last gen should have taught you this

[QUOTE="NWA90s"]the NGP out specs the 3ds. it has more superior hardware NGP will probably lose in sales though, but sales doesnt make a system any better CDUB316

PSP had better specs than the DS as well...but the DS was far superior in every other aspect including the most major of them all....GAMES

don't expect the NGP to be better than the 3DS just because of specs...last gen should have taught you this

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="NWA90s"]the NGP out specs the 3ds. it has more superior hardware NGP will probably lose in sales though, but sales doesnt make a system any better PandaBear86

PSP had better specs than the DS as well...but the DS was far superior in every other aspect including the most major of them all....GAMES

don't expect the NGP to be better than the 3DS just because of specs...last gen should have taught you this

Alot of people assume that 3DS will be victorious in the handheld war simply because the DS beat the PSP, meaning they expect the same results with NGP and 3DS. Sounds logical, but I personally dont agree with this idea, because PS2 sales were much higher thanthe GameCube and Xbox last gen, yet that didn't stop the PS3 from having poor sales in comparion to Wii nowadays. You can't assume that NGP will lose just like the PSP did.

So... the REAL reason why NGP will succeed is because its a portable HD console and will share many games with Xbox 360 and PS3. Look how many games are based on Unreal Engine 3, truckloads of them. Any future games made on UE3 will be easy to port over to NGP as well. If I was a developer, I would rather use UE3 to make a game for three systems (PS3 + 360 + NGP), rather than make a brand new engine just for one system (3DS). Sure, I understand that this means NGP will recieve many ports from PS3/360, but its still good because you can choose whether you want to buy a game for PS3 (slightly better graphics + Move support) or NGP (portability, touch screen and touchpad). I am actually excited about playing PS3-like games on a handheld. Imagine if Fallout 4 or Mass Effect 3 was playable on NGP. Talk about awesome :D

Your thoughts?

PandaBear86

That is why it also stands to fail...Put the 3DS out of the equation and using your own logic you will see why. If a portable shares the same qualities as it's HD console brethren with the unfortunate oversight of a battery life counter, people will more opt for the consoles instead of the portable.

The point of a portable is to have a UNIQUE experience that the consoles will not have. If the NGP can do that, then it will fly. If not, then it is the PSP all over again.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="CDUB316"]

PSP had better specs than the DS as well...but the DS was far superior in every other aspect including the most major of them all....GAMES

don't expect the NGP to be better than the 3DS just because of specs...last gen should have taught you this

SAGE_OF_FIRE

^^this

this is my MAJOR concern with the NGP....because it's so powerful (but not as powerful as the PS3) we will be getting watered down ports of PS3 games

so who would want to play the same game watered down on a handheld when you could have it on a big tv?

it's like wii multiplats...i love my wii, but only for exclusives...playing multiplats on a wii over the PS3/360 is just a waste (if you have a choice)

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="CDUB316"]

PSP had better specs than the DS as well...but the DS was far superior in every other aspect including the most major of them all....GAMES

don't expect the NGP to be better than the 3DS just because of specs...last gen should have taught you this

SAGE_OF_FIRE

1) NGP games will likely be cheaper than PS3 games

2) Not everybody has a HDTV. I'd rather play a multiplat on NGP (540p widescreen) instead of a PS3 with an SDTV (480p non-widescreen)

3) Some people naurally prefer handhelds, because they feel comfortable playing on them. I prefer playing PSP minis on my PSP rather than my PS3

4) Have you ever tried playing a PS3 game during a bus or train ride? NGP can do that well

So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"] NGP will have loads of games because it supports Unreal Engine 3 and has dual analogs. Imagine how many games will be made for it, especially multiplatsPandaBear86

1) NGP games will likely be cheaper than PS3 games

2) Not everybody has a HDTV. I'd rather play a multiplat on NGP (540p widescreen) instead of a PS3 with an SDTV (480p non-widescreen)

3) Some people naurally prefer handhelds, because they feel comfortable playing on them. I prefer playing PSP minis on my PSP rather than my PS3

4) Have you ever tried playing a PS3 game during a bus or train ride? NGP can do that well

1) the improved quality of the PS3 title is worth the extra money

2) HDTVS are pretty cheap these days...you can get a nice 37' 1080p for about the same price (or cheaper!!!) as what the NGP is gonna be

3) This is all preference so this makes sense...but there aren't very many of you, lol

4) I'll stick to my exclusives for NGP on the bus and play my mulitplats when i get home

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?PandaBear86

I think, is not a good strategy launch the same game for PS3 and NGP, portable games need to be different to consoles games. Thats why nintendo wins with the DS.

The 3DS has Nintendo games though.SAGE_OF_FIRE

For the record, I'm not interested in both but I've never been a big fan of handhelds - I dunno, maybe I'll be impreesed with both when they arrive and just... Must Buy. :P

the 3DS will have games though, just saying I like to play games

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

Why would anyone want to play a multiplat on a handheld? SAGE_OF_FIRE

1) NGP games will likely be cheaper than PS3 games

2) Not everybody has a HDTV. I'd rather play a multiplat on NGP (540p widescreen) instead of a PS3 with an SDTV (480p non-widescreen)

3) Some people naurally prefer handhelds, because they feel comfortable playing on them. I prefer playing PSP minis on my PSP rather than my PS3

4) Have you ever tried playing a PS3 game during a bus or train ride? NGP can do that well

1) the improved quality of the PS3 title is worth the extra money

2) HDTVS are pretty cheap these days...you can get a nice 37' 1080p for about the same price (or cheaper!!!) as what the NGP is gonna be

3) This is all preference so this makes sense...but there aren't very many of you, lol

4) I'll stick to my exclusives for NGP on the bus and play my mulitplats when i get home

I think, is not a good strategy launch the same game for PS3 and NGP, portable games need to be different to consoles games. Thats why nintendo wins with the DS.

ocidax

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?OreoMilkshake

So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?OreoMilkshake

Why buy a portable sd console when I can buy a wii and hook it up to any t.v.

[QUOTE="ocidax"]

I think, is not a good strategy launch the same game for PS3 and NGP, portable games need to be different to consoles games. Thats why nintendo wins with the DS.

PandaBear86

I think, is not a good strategy launch the same game for PS3 and NGP, portable games need to be different to consoles games. Thats why nintendo wins with the DS.

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?Jolt_counter119

Why buy a portable sd console when I can buy a wii and hook it up to any t.v.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="ocidax"]

I think, is not a good strategy launch the same game for PS3 and NGP, portable games need to be different to consoles games. Thats why nintendo wins with the DS.

NintendoNite

what is it about NGP's looks that make you sick? it looks better than PSP.

where do you need UMDs if you can have everything digitally? i don't own PSP, but i'm just curious to know.

PSP2 relies on fanbase, 3DS relies on children who scream "I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT!!!!!!" and this means 3DS will win in sales.

[spoiler] Ofcourse im kidding, the 3DS is a very mature console that can be enjoyed by the whole family [/spoiler]

3DS relies on children who scream "I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT!!!!!!"

JohnF111

that sounds like a fanbase to me too.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?OreoMilkshake

Why buy a portable sd console when I can buy a wii and hook it up to any t.v.

I already did:cry:

I drive a car.OreoMilkshake

That's just fine, dude!

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]So why would I want to buy a portable HD console when I can buy an HD console and hook it up to my 50 inch HDTV?OreoMilkshake

If the NGP has many worthy exclusives instead of ports, it may have a fighting chance against the 3ds.

So... the REAL reason why NGP will succeed is because its a portable HD console and will share many games with Xbox 360 and PS3. PandaBear86

-both parents and children (and the ages in between) know and trust nintendo's name (as well as the DS name). that alone will get the 3ds millions of sales.

-the no-glasses 3d will also bring lots of sales

-nintendo's first party is unmatched, people will buy it for their mario, zelda, metroid, and kirby.. and how could i forget pokemon?!

-the 3ds has outstanding 3rd party support. much more than the ngp has so far (though it will most likely get more support as the launch approaches)

-nintendo has always, always, ALWAYS dominated the handheld market. i don't see that changing.

TC, the one major flaw with your logic is the simple fact that simply boasting better power and more features is not enough to defeat Nintendo in the handheld market.

The Game Gear, TurboExpress, Sega Nomad, Atari Lynx, PSP, Wonderswan, Neo Geo Pocket, Game. Com, and PSP where all handhelds that were more powerful then the Nintendo handhelds that they competed against.

Most of them were failures and are nothing more then a footnote in the history of gaming.

Here's the harsh truth, if Sony does not price the NGP where it can compete effectively with the 3DS then they are looking at an uphill battle. All that power is meaningless of consumers opt for the cheaper option that they perceive as being innovative.

I don't see the point in having HD gaming on a 5" screen. I'm not going to crane my neck to "ooo" and "awe" at the textures and graphics and whatnot. Leave that to the consoles at home. The only reason why I would buy a handheld was because the wait between destinations is boring. So, just give me a handheld that can entertain me for short periods of time, and I'm set. This is why the 3DS will win and why I'm more excited for it :D The NGP is just....unecessary. I'm not going to fork over the extra money for it when the 3DS will do fine. And I'm definitely not going to pay premium for games I can already play (and enjoy more) on the PS3.

Alot of people assume that 3DS will be victorious in the handheld war simply because the DS beat the PSP, meaning they expect the same results with NGP and 3DS. Sounds logical, but I personally dont agree with this idea, because PS2 sales were much higher thanthe GameCube and Xbox last gen, yet that didn't stop the PS3 from having poor sales in comparion to Wii nowadays. You can't assume that NGP will lose just like the PSP did.

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Your thoughts?

PandaBear86

the NGP out specs the 3ds. it has more superior hardware NGP will probably lose in sales though, but sales doesnt make a system any better NWA90s

I'm going to destroy this argument with three simple words: SEGA GAME GEAR! The GameGear's biggest feature was it's ability to play Master System games portably, basically trying to emulate the console experience on the go, but with slightly worse graphics. Sound familiar? The GameGear was basically the NGP of 25 years ago. It competed with the Gameboy, and well we all know how that battle turned out. People bought the Gameboy to play unique games that you can't play on a home console, such as Link's Awakening, or Pokemon. Saying that the NGP will be a better system because of cheap ports and Multiplats is ridiculous. As Many others have said before me it's going to be the EXCLUSIVES that determines which handheld comes out on top!

I'm going to destroy this argument with three simple words: SEGA GAME GEAR! The GameGear's biggest feature was it's ability to play Master System games portably, basically trying to emulate the console experience on the go, but with slightly worse graphics. Sound familiar? The GameGear was basically the NGP of 25 years ago. It competed with the Gameboy, and well we all know how that battle turned out. People bought the Gameboy to play unique games that you can't play on a home console, such as Link's Awakening, or Pokemon. Saying that the NGP will be a better system because of cheap ports and Multiplats is ridiculous. As Many others have said before me it's going to be the EXCLUSIVES that determines which handheld comes out on top!

Noj_Leakim

imho the massive advantage is the the ngp is a real next gen portable system while the 3ds is not

Alot of people assume that 3DS will be victorious in the handheld war simply because the DS beat the PSP, meaning they expect the same results with NGP and 3DS. Sounds logical, but I personally dont agree with this idea, because PS2 sales were much higher thanthe GameCube and Xbox last gen, yet that didn't stop the PS3 from having poor sales in comparion to Wii nowadays. You can't assume that NGP will lose just like the PSP did.

PandaBear86

Also, your comparison between last generation of consoles and this generation doesn't hold that well.
Last generation the PS2 was first on the scene and it sold very well, part due to the PS1 being popular and that it got great support from developers. It was well priced and actually had the least amount of power between it, the Xbox and the GameCube.
This generation, the PS3 was last out while being the most expensive.
It's not just random chance that puts one console in a better position than another.

So... the REAL reason why NGP will succeed is because its a portable HD console and will share many games with Xbox 360 and PS3. Look how many games are based on Unreal Engine 3, truckloads of them. Any future games made on UE3 will be easy to port over to NGP as well. If I was a developer, I would rather use UE3 to make a game for three systems (PS3 + 360 + NGP), rather than make a brand new engine just for one system (3DS). Sure, I understand that this means NGP will recieve many ports from PS3/360, but its still good because you can choose whether you want to buy a game for PS3 (slightly better graphics + Move support) or NGP (portability, touch screen and touchpad). I am actually excited about playing PS3-like games on a handheld. Imagine if Fallout 4 or Mass Effect 3 was playable on NGP. Talk about awesome :D

Your thoughts?PandaBear86

At the end of the day, the console with the best combination of new gameplay experiences, right price point and available games, will win.

imho the massive advantage is the the ngp is a real next gen portable system while the 3ds is not

_SWAG_

[QUOTE="Noj_Leakim"]

I'm going to destroy this argument with three simple words: SEGA GAME GEAR! The GameGear's biggest feature was it's ability to play Master System games portably, basically trying to emulate the console experience on the go, but with slightly worse graphics. Sound familiar? The GameGear was basically the NGP of 25 years ago. It competed with the Gameboy, and well we all know how that battle turned out. People bought the Gameboy to play unique games that you can't play on a home console, such as Link's Awakening, or Pokemon. Saying that the NGP will be a better system because of cheap ports and Multiplats is ridiculous. As Many others have said before me it's going to be the EXCLUSIVES that determines which handheld comes out on top!

DerekLoffin

Oh come on! Really? You're going to nitpick about the BATTERY LIFE? I wasn't talking about the quailty of the system, just the experience it was supposed to deliver. The argument was that the NGP would succeed because it would allow a console experience on a handheld, and deliver some high quality multiplats. That is pretty much EXACTLY what the Game Gear was trying to do. My comparison does'nt fall apart because of the battery life argument.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"] NGP will have loads of games because it supports Unreal Engine 3 and has dual analogs. Imagine how many games will be made for it, especially multiplatsPandaBear86

1) NGP games will likely be cheaper than PS3 games

2) Not everybody has a HDTV. I'd rather play a multiplat on NGP (540p widescreen) instead of a PS3 with an SDTV (480p non-widescreen)

3) Some people naurally prefer handhelds, because they feel comfortable playing on them. I prefer playing PSP minis on my PSP rather than my PS3

4) Have you ever tried playing a PS3 game during a bus or train ride? NGP can do that well