Why would anyone not own a gaming PC?

Wow, is this still a serious issue?

Look, I'm both a PS3 and PC gamer (I've been a PC gamer since 1995), and I can easily tell you why if I had to choose one, I'd choose PS3.

Here are some reasons.....

1. Cheaper. Yes, CHEAPER. The fact is, a new PS3 slim console costs $300. Despite what people say about owning a quality $500 PC, I can tell you from experience that this is a complete load of BULLCRAP. Even a quality mid-to-high end range video card will cost you $300-$500 alone. I was initially planning on doing my "every-3-year-or-so" upgrade this year and a new mobo, AMD 6-core processor, 8 gb ddr3 ram, new case, GeForce gtx480 and power supply would have cost me just over $1400. Even that is cheap, considering I know a small vendor with good prices. At the last minute, I changed my mind as I realized it wasn't worth spending that much for the sole purpose of being able to run the latest games. Think you could run games like Metro 2033, NFS Shift, GTA IV, Cryostasis and Crysis 2 on a $500 PC? Good luck with that.

2. Portability. I can pack up my console and go to another house / cottage /etc. (especially since they have carrying materials nowadays). This is less practical with a PC, and although I love using a keyboard and mouse, its impractical for certain genres of games (such as racing), and there's really no way for me to comfortably lie on a couch, in bed, etc. with a keyboard and mouse, unless I get some kind of board, which in itself is a clunky and uncomfortable set up each time.

3. I love the fact that PC games are generally $5-$10 cheaper than their console equivalents, but its not as much of a plus as you may think. Games are still in DVD format, which means that extremely large games would still require 2-3 discs, and they'd be susceptible to scratches. PS3 blu-rays can hold up 50GB and are scratch-resistant. Example, FFXIII was released for 360 and PS3, and while the PS3 game was on 1 disc, the 360 version was on 3.

4. For people who like to tangibly have their games in their hands, I've found PC games harder and harder to come by. Every Gamestop (EB) I've been to, they're relegated to a single corner shelf, and Best Buy doesn't care enough about this particular market to properly organize their shelves. And while digital downloads are taking off, there are risks due to invasive copy protection schemes and potential for lost data (look at what Ubi Soft is doing).

I'd probably say that in terms of playing online, PC is still unmatched in terms of convenience, features, ease of use, etc. But otherwise, it would just be too damn difficult for me to recommend PC gaming as a single gaming solution at this point.

SilverIce7

Now that has some serious real reasons to have a console. Portability and exclusivity. That is true as a PC even in the most simple form can be more of a pain to move and setup then a console. Now the cheaper argument dwells right back to what I meantioned couple pages ago as we are quick to look to the hear and now and not to what people have actually paid for their systems in the past.

The other issue at hand is gamestop. That is one horrible company that has allowed alot of stereotyping into pc world. Using that website in the argument of not seeing physical games is incorrect. Yes, Pc has alot of digital distrubution now, and yes it can be harder to get physical copies but you can but it depends on location. 7 gamestops are in my town and all of them have a very low Pc game section. The Actual Walamarts in my city though, have 50+ or so games with another 20 or so of the low end pc games. Gamestop really has killed off saling Pc games but they are not a good comparison to use.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Well if we gonna compare Pc's to consoles then xbox live and those services must be into the equation as its something Pc gamers can experience for free through online services. Even if we didn't the base case still exist on many console statements on price. Alot of people on SW are quick to throw out numbers on the hear and now as if its what it always was. What I personally see, is a sine wave in the console market. New console, extremely high price, slowly dropping in price over and over till new console at new extreme price and the cycle continues. On the flip side, you get lots of straight line parallels on the PC side as you have so much flexibility and can make systems into a specific price range at any time.jedikevin2

they work differently though, think of live, its a standardized platform for mp, they have many built in features for devs to use to help standardize quality (PC gaming DOES NOT HAVE THIS), provides a universal profile that can access all the features of PC gaming. when its on the PC, you have things split up into lots of different things, like playing bfbc2 on PC might not give you voice with your group, they might be on vent, or team speak, so it creates a new thing to setup for every game you join. I Like joining random games and having lols with people, its harder to enjoy that experience on the PC since you have to set it up. And it brings all your friends onto one platform so you can see what they are doing all the time, if they are playing a game you like you can join them. On PC you might not have a univeral friends list so you might not see a friend on and miss out of good times. consoles seem like a more social experiences, like going to a bar, but PC's are mroe about clinging to a group of friends or like going to a bar but getting a table and sectioning yourself off from everyone. (probably where the elitist attitude develeped from)

Can you give me some examples of Live giving helping devs "standardize quality". I have had a 360 for some time and all I have heard and felt is live being more of a detriment to developers then improving quality of development. The whole joining random games with lots of people exist on Pc and has been for decades now. Now offcourse some developers have tainted that experience by not allow dedicated servers but for most games its a intrical part of the Pc gaming experience.

Things split up on different programs still does not mean they cannot experience the same experience feelings as live.

its not something that going to blow your mind away but when a lot annoyances are swept under a rug you tend to notice them more on other platforms.

I also prefer matchmaking to server browsers,

Wow, is this still a serious issue?

Look, I'm both a PS3 and PC gamer (I've been a PC gamer since 1995), and I can easily tell you why if I had to choose one, I'd choose PS3.

Here are some reasons.....

1. Cheaper. Yes, CHEAPER. The fact is, a new PS3 slim console costs $300. Despite what people say about owning a quality $500 PC, I can tell you from experience that this is a complete load of BULLCRAP. Even a quality mid-to-high end range video card will cost you $300-$500 alone. I was initially planning on doing my "every-3-year-or-so" upgrade this year and a new mobo, AMD 6-core processor, 8 gb ddr3 ram, new case, GeForce gtx480 and power supply would have cost me just over $1400. Even that is cheap, considering I know a small vendor with good prices. At the last minute, I changed my mind as I realized it wasn't worth spending that much for the sole purpose of being able to run the latest games. Think you could run games like Metro 2033, NFS Shift, GTA IV, Cryostasis and Crysis 2 on a $500 PC? Good luck with that.

2. Portability. I can pack up my console and go to another house / cottage /etc. (especially since they have carrying materials nowadays). This is less practical with a PC, and although I love using a keyboard and mouse, its impractical for certain genres of games (such as racing), and there's really no way for me to comfortably lie on a couch, in bed, etc. with a keyboard and mouse, unless I get some kind of board, which in itself is a clunky and uncomfortable set up each time.

3. I love the fact that PC games are generally $5-$10 cheaper than their console equivalents, but its not as much of a plus as you may think. Games are still in DVD format, which means that extremely large games would still require 2-3 discs, and they'd be susceptible to scratches. PS3 blu-rays can hold up 50GB and are scratch-resistant. Example, FFXIII was released for 360 and PS3, and while the PS3 game was on 1 disc, the 360 version was on 3.

4. For people who like to tangibly have their games in their hands, I've found PC games harder and harder to come by. Every Gamestop (EB) I've been to, they're relegated to a single corner shelf, and Best Buy doesn't care enough about this particular market to properly organize their shelves. And while digital downloads are taking off, there are risks due to invasive copy protection schemes and potential for lost data (look at what Ubi Soft is doing).

I'd probably say that in terms of playing online, PC is still unmatched in terms of convenience, features, ease of use, etc. But otherwise, it would just be too damn difficult for me to recommend PC gaming as a single gaming solution at this point.

SilverIce7

1. :| What? A mid-high vid card would cost you 300? The GTX 260 is a VERY good video card that can max anything now and years in the future and its 200....I have already linked a rig built by Neogaf in 2009 (parts would be cheaper today) for about 500 (think it was closer to 550) that can max Crysis at 30+ FPS at1680x1050..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366177

2. You can connect your PC to your TV and play on your comfy couch (honestly what a ridiculous argument :|, whats wrong with a "comfy chair")

3. Ok. So what? That only matters when your installing. After you install it doesn't matter how many disks it had...And PC games also have far better deals than console games despite being 10 dollars cheaper (Steam Summer Sale anyone?)

4. Good thing about PC gaming is that if you can't find in stores, you can find by digital download...

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] and its roughly twice the cost for twice the performance! and it'll cost you more in the long run skimping out on components and running into a limited upgrade path!

savagetwinkie

Actually a PC that is a around 500 USD can be 4x more powerful than any console.

I played Metro 2033 at Very high directx 10 with that computer and it looks many times better than the console version.

It is tied with Crysis as best looking game ever.

Also Games like GeoW look a lot better on the PC with new add ons like a few missions on larger campaign maps.

Prince of Persia The Forgotten Sands also looks a lot better especially with better lighting and effects.

Mass Effect looks a lot better.

GTA IV looks a hell of a lot better.

Just Cause 2 looks a hell of a lot better.

Dragon Age looks a hell of a lot better.

Oblivion looks a hell of a lot better.

I could go on and on.

Consoles have severe limits to what they can handle and this is why you get lower settings.

There is no magical power that the consoles have.

And higher resolution makes a big difference that a low AA cannot replicate as well.

I have compared these games side by side from console to PC and I see the big difference.

My friend who has been a console gamer for over 15 years had finally bought a PC and he notices the big difference too.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Actually a PC that is a around 500 USD can be 4x more powerful than any console.

Hakkai007

I played Metro 2033 at Very high directx 10 with that computer and it looks many times better than the console version.

It is tied with Crysis as best looking game ever.

Also Games like GeoW look a lot better on the PC with new add ons like a few missions on larger campaign maps.

Prince of Persia The Forgotten Sands also looks a lot better especially with better lighting and effects.

Mass Effect looks a lot better.

GTA IV looks a hell of a lot better.

Just Cause 2 looks a hell of a lot better.

Dragon Age looks a hell of a lot better.

Oblivion looks a hell of a lot better.

I could go on and on.

Consoles have severe limits to what they can handle and this is why you get lower settings.

There is no magical power that the consoles have.

And higher resolution makes a big difference that a low AA cannot replicate as well.

I have compared these games side by side from console to PC and I see the big difference.

My friend who has been a console gamer for over 15 years had finally bought a PC and he notices the big difference too.

Don't forget mods. There are mods for anything. Even graphics.

[QUOTE="SilverIce7"]

Wow, is this still a serious issue?

Look, I'm both a PS3 and PC gamer (I've been a PC gamer since 1995), and I can easily tell you why if I had to choose one, I'd choose PS3.

Here are some reasons.....

1. Cheaper. Yes, CHEAPER. The fact is, a new PS3 slim console costs $300. Despite what people say about owning a quality $500 PC, I can tell you from experience that this is a complete load of BULLCRAP. Even a quality mid-to-high end range video card will cost you $300-$500 alone. I was initially planning on doing my "every-3-year-or-so" upgrade this year and a new mobo, AMD 6-core processor, 8 gb ddr3 ram, new case, GeForce gtx480 and power supply would have cost me just over $1400. Even that is cheap, considering I know a small vendor with good prices. At the last minute, I changed my mind as I realized it wasn't worth spending that much for the sole purpose of being able to run the latest games. Think you could run games like Metro 2033, NFS Shift, GTA IV, Cryostasis and Crysis 2 on a $500 PC? Good luck with that.

2. Portability. I can pack up my console and go to another house / cottage /etc. (especially since they have carrying materials nowadays). This is less practical with a PC, and although I love using a keyboard and mouse, its impractical for certain genres of games (such as racing), and there's really no way for me to comfortably lie on a couch, in bed, etc. with a keyboard and mouse, unless I get some kind of board, which in itself is a clunky and uncomfortable set up each time.

3. I love the fact that PC games are generally $5-$10 cheaper than their console equivalents, but its not as much of a plus as you may think. Games are still in DVD format, which means that extremely large games would still require 2-3 discs, and they'd be susceptible to scratches. PS3 blu-rays can hold up 50GB and are scratch-resistant. Example, FFXIII was released for 360 and PS3, and while the PS3 game was on 1 disc, the 360 version was on 3.

4. For people who like to tangibly have their games in their hands, I've found PC games harder and harder to come by. Every Gamestop (EB) I've been to, they're relegated to a single corner shelf, and Best Buy doesn't care enough about this particular market to properly organize their shelves. And while digital downloads are taking off, there are risks due to invasive copy protection schemes and potential for lost data (look at what Ubi Soft is doing).

I'd probably say that in terms of playing online, PC is still unmatched in terms of convenience, features, ease of use, etc. But otherwise, it would just be too damn difficult for me to recommend PC gaming as a single gaming solution at this point.

jedikevin2

Now that has some serious real reasons to have a console. Portability and exclusivity. That is true as a PC even in the most simple form can be more of a pain to move and setup then a console. Now the cheaper argument dwells right back to what I meantioned couple pages ago as we are quick to look to the hear and now and not to what people have actually paid for their systems in the past.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] I hesitate to ask what the PC equivalent of the Wii's hardware would be...

VladJasonDrac

Probably something like a super underclocked netbook edition Pentium 4, and a Nvidia MX400 :lol:

I picture all PC gamers to look just like that guy in the pciture. I'm sure after a hard days work of PC geek talk that the average gamer doesn't care about he will go home and fall asleep playing WoW.

"That guy" is Gabe Newell. :| And I'm pretty handsome, to be modest. :P

you couldn't get a ps3 equivalent PC for $600 then though you could get a low end machine, now you can't even get a pc for the ps3 price hardware is insanly cheap now anyways but consoles are too... and with the way upgrading works, its always the same, spend more now and you'll spend less in the long run, don't spend enough now and you'll be paying for replacement parts to be able to upgrade other parts, either way the hardware is more expensive then a consolesavagetwinkie

Steam.

You argument just blew up.

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

ActicEdge

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I grew up on console and prefer PC...

lowe0

Well maybe I am the minority... I don't know... I don't have a poll, do you? I just know that's my experience.

you couldn't get a ps3 equivalent PC for $600 then though you could get a low end machine, now you can't even get a pc for the ps3 price hardware is insanly cheap now anyways but consoles are too... and with the way upgrading works, its always the same, spend more now and you'll spend less in the long run, don't spend enough now and you'll be paying for replacement parts to be able to upgrade other parts, either way the hardware is more expensive then a consolesavagetwinkie

Thats not what my argument was though. The argument is that we look at the price game way to cut and dry as if consoles come out ungodly cheaper compared to PC. The fact is that someone could have been gaming very nicely on a pc from the start and be in the same price point of consoles from the start.

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

ActicEdge

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

Hakkai007

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

Tell me of these wonders the PC can do.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

WhenCicadasCry

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

I am not someone with knowledge and I'm not going to waste my time finding someone with knowledge. Not when there are far far far easier options with more games suited to my taste. And why the hell am I going to buy all the parts and then pay more money for someone else to put it together? As far as building it myself, I'm sure all the parts are fairly easy to fit but the issue is not part sliding.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I grew up on console and prefer PC...

Bebi_vegeta

Well maybe I am the minority... I don't know... I don't have a poll, do you? I just know that's my experience.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

tempest91

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

Tell me of these wonders the PC can do.

Don't respond to that Hakkai007.

Because I don't want one?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

Hakkai007

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

Hakkai007

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

Sure, but if I am going to PC game the computer is going to be built to do that. I have a computer, I didn't build it, I went to the store and bought it because it was way more convient to do so. I'm not going to assemble all the parts to build a PC myself just to play games, a lot of which don't personally draw me on. Why on earth would I?

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Well if we gonna compare Pc's to consoles then xbox live and those services must be into the equation as its something Pc gamers can experience for free through online services. Even if we didn't the base case still exist on many console statements on price. Alot of people on SW are quick to throw out numbers on the hear and now as if its what it always was. What I personally see, is a sine wave in the console market. New console, extremely high price, slowly dropping in price over and over till new console at new extreme price and the cycle continues. On the flip side, you get lots of straight line parallels on the PC side as you have so much flexibility and can make systems into a specific price range at any time.savagetwinkie

Oh good God, anybody can join TS or Vent... the most popular server will give you the IP for it. IG chat are horrible...PC have the options to use something better for free. You thinking PC gamers have a elitist attitude, is probably you having a issue.

I think the reason why we are caught in a debate that is going no where is because we aren't arguing about what really matters, at least not for the most part. When we compare PC and console gaming it always comes down to the numbers. Well you have to upgrade every X number of years and spend Y amount of money and blah blah blah most of these equations are purely theoretical and don't really mean anything. On the other hand consoles get even worse grief for just being what they are. The question "why do people play consoles when PC is always better" is really a question of "why are people different from me and have different values". Good luck finding the answer to that one. I play PC and console games, I've always preferred consoles because consoles tend to have the games I want to play. I didn't buy a Wii because I said to myself, "shucks, that Wii sure is some impressive hardware to a unedumacated console gamer like meshelf!" I bought it because I wanted to play Twlight Princess, Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy. The last of which was a greater experience than anything I've played on the PC ever, because quality of design and hence ultimately quality of games have zero relationship with the platform they are released on. As long as that is true, which I can only estimate will be forever unless someone makes games that plug directly into our brains or something, the difference between PC gaming and console gaming is irrelevant. With that being said, a console can do absolute wonders with relatively minuscule hardware, being the much greater bang for the buck consoles are more successful gaming machines. The problem as I see it is a problem of policy. The reason TF2 is so far behind on the consoles is due to MS not having a model for releasing free content on Xbox live and absolutely no user-made content. Valve didn't make the PS3 version so they don't bother. Sony has made some strides in allowing people and developers some freedom (like Steam in Portal 2) but consoles still have a ways to go in that regard. I've said several times before that I would like all platforms dissolve into some sort of cloud-based gaming solution, because at the end of the day the only thing that matters are the games. I've been playing PC games since Doom, and all my favorite games are console games. Does that make me a noob? Or some kind of mongoloid? I'm not sure what the popular insult is these days, but clearly consoles are doing something right. I mean if mods that band-aid bad design and make PC games playable is one of the triumphs of PC gaming, you might have bigger problems on your hands than dumbed-down multi-platform releases, which are actually made better on the PC due to the interface and optimacy standards on the consoles being carried over to the PC, but I digress as these are Valves words not mine.

Anyways, what makes this difficult is that it is a difference of cultures. Consoles and PC are still different cultures, mainly due to Sony and Nintendo being Japanese and many console gamers such as myself simply prefer the tenets of good Japanese design, like precise pacing, tough-but-fair difficulty and a certain sense of a methodical and deliberate mentality behind everything. There is also still an understated huge demand for quality single-player experiences, and consoles tend to provide that with much greater vigor than the PC, as everything moves towards MMOs and quasi-MMOs, a genre I loathe with a squirm-inducing hatred and competitive shooters/rts games where you are essentially supposed to lose most of the time so you can have fun........Again, it's much about culture, expectations and preferences. The problem is when we level personal judgements against others for having different ideas about games than we do, then intellectualize those differences into reasons why consoles are horrible monsters that eat children and are holding the industry back. Even though many of us here would not even be playing games if it weren't for Sony. Speaking of which, I'm beginning to take offense at the notion that PC games are always the best looking, as all the best looking games I've seen this generation short of Crysis (can any of you even play it at a consistent FPS?) are PS3 exclusives. Go play Wipeout Fury or Uncharted 2, can you play that on a 300 dollar PC? Or even a 600 (wink wink) dollar one? Value matters.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

ActicEdge

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

Sure, but if I am going to PC game the computer is going to be built to do that. I have a computer, I didn't build it, I went to the store and bought it because it was way more convient to do so. I'm not going to assemble all the parts to build a PC myself just to play games, a lot of which don't personally draw me on. Why on earth would I?

That is your opinion but others might disagree.

I built my first PC back in 1995 And I was only 13. Back then it was a lot harder to build a computer and yet I still did it.

My nephew built his first computer when he was 10.

It is very easy to build a computer and if you are too lazy or just don't want to then you can pay someone around 40 USD to build it for you.

A choice in games is subjective. Just like you can say PC games don't interest you I could also say Console games don;t interest me.

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Angryduck67

holy sh.....dude.

Can you please use spacing.....

Wow, is this still a serious issue?

Look, I'm both a PS3 and PC gamer (I've been a PC gamer since 1995), and I can easily tell you why if I had to choose one, I'd choose PS3.

Here are some reasons.....

1. Cheaper. Yes, CHEAPER. The fact is, a new PS3 slim console costs $300. Despite what people say about owning a quality $500 PC, I can tell you from experience that this is a complete load of BULLCRAP. Even a quality mid-to-high end range video card will cost you $300-$500 alone. I was initially planning on doing my "every-3-year-or-so" upgrade this year and a new mobo, AMD 6-core processor, 8 gb ddr3 ram, new case, GeForce gtx480 and power supply would have cost me just over $1400. Even that is cheap, considering I know a small vendor with good prices. At the last minute, I changed my mind as I realized it wasn't worth spending that much for the sole purpose of being able to run the latest games. Think you could run games like Metro 2033, NFS Shift, GTA IV, Cryostasis and Crysis 2 on a $500 PC? Good luck with that.

2. Portability. I can pack up my console and go to another house / cottage /etc. (especially since they have carrying materials nowadays). This is less practical with a PC, and although I love using a keyboard and mouse, its impractical for certain genres of games (such as racing), and there's really no way for me to comfortably lie on a couch, in bed, etc. with a keyboard and mouse, unless I get some kind of board, which in itself is a clunky and uncomfortable set up each time.

3. I love the fact that PC games are generally $5-$10 cheaper than their console equivalents, but its not as much of a plus as you may think. Games are still in DVD format, which means that extremely large games would still require 2-3 discs, and they'd be susceptible to scratches. PS3 blu-rays can hold up 50GB and are scratch-resistant. Example, FFXIII was released for 360 and PS3, and while the PS3 game was on 1 disc, the 360 version was on 3.

4. For people who like to tangibly have their games in their hands, I've found PC games harder and harder to come by. Every Gamestop (EB) I've been to, they're relegated to a single corner shelf, and Best Buy doesn't care enough about this particular market to properly organize their shelves. And while digital downloads are taking off, there are risks due to invasive copy protection schemes and potential for lost data (look at what Ubi Soft is doing).

I'd probably say that in terms of playing online, PC is still unmatched in terms of convenience, features, ease of use, etc. But otherwise, it would just be too damn difficult for me to recommend PC gaming as a single gaming solution at this point.

SilverIce7

Just reading what you wrote... almost sounds like a handheld would be a better choice in gaming.

But seriously, your point 3... I could care less how many disc a PC games have... you instal once and that's it. And...Oh yeah STEAM FTW!

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

jedikevin2

Tell me of these wonders the PC can do.

Don't respond to that Hakkai007.

:| Listen to the man...DONT RESPOND Hakkai007

Oh good God, anybody can join TS or Vent...

Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

Hakkai007

Sure, but if I am going to PC game the computer is going to be built to do that. I have a computer, I didn't build it, I went to the store and bought it because it was way more convient to do so. I'm not going to assemble all the parts to build a PC myself just to play games, a lot of which don't personally draw me on. Why on earth would I?

That is your opinion but others might disagree.

I built my first PC back in 1995 And I was only 13. Back then it was a lot harder to build a computer and yet I still did it.

My nephew built his first computer when he was 10.

It is very easy to build a computer and if you are too lazy or just don't want to then you can pay someone around 40 USD to build it for you.

A choice in games is subjective. Just like you can say PC games don't interest you I could also say Console games don;t interest me.

You're right about this being subjective, but these are valid reasons why many people don't want to game on PC's. I've built several gaming PC's and sold my last one because it was sitting there collecting dust. Most PC games don't interest me and the community annoys me to no end. (not that the console community is any better)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well a lot of us PC gamers don't use our computers just for gaming......

People seem to forget a PC can do a lot more than just gaming.

Hakkai007

Sure, but if I am going to PC game the computer is going to be built to do that. I have a computer, I didn't build it, I went to the store and bought it because it was way more convient to do so. I'm not going to assemble all the parts to build a PC myself just to play games, a lot of which don't personally draw me on. Why on earth would I?

That is your opinion but others might disagree.

I built my first PC back in 1995 And I was only 13. Back then it was a lot harder to build a computer and yet I still did it.

My nephew built his first computer when he was 10.

It is very easy to build a computer and if you are too lazy or just don't want to then you can pay someone around 40 USD to build it for you.

A choice in games is subjective. Just like you can say PC games don't interest you I could also say Console games don;t interest me.

Why the hell do I care if others disagree? The thread asked why anyone would not own a gaming PC, I am part of anyone and I gave my reason, others peoples reasons are there own, it doesn't mean a damn thing about what they think, that's not what the thread is about.

And yes, I am too lazy to build my own gaming Pc and I'm not paying someone to do it for me because what the Pc offers and the effort and money it would take to get it vs what I want out of my games don't match. Its not a matter of it being too hard, anyone can learn, I just don't care to when what's offered on the PC vs how much easier and how much more I will enjoy the console are weighed.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh good God, anybody can join TS or Vent...

lowe0

:lol: Talk about desperate. I'm sorry that this ruins PC gaming for you...

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sure, but if I am going to PC game the computer is going to be built to do that. I have a computer, I didn't build it, I went to the store and bought it because it was way more convient to do so. I'm not going to assemble all the parts to build a PC myself just to play games, a lot of which don't personally draw me on. Why on earth would I?

tempest91

That is your opinion but others might disagree.

I built my first PC back in 1995 And I was only 13. Back then it was a lot harder to build a computer and yet I still did it.

My nephew built his first computer when he was 10.

It is very easy to build a computer and if you are too lazy or just don't want to then you can pay someone around 40 USD to build it for you.

A choice in games is subjective. Just like you can say PC games don't interest you I could also say Console games don;t interest me.

You're right about this being subjective, but these are valid reasons why many people don't want to game on PC's. I've built several gaming PC's and sold my last one because it was sitting there collecting dust. Most PC games don't interest me and the community annoys me to no end. (not that the console community is any better)

I changed to PC gaming for those same reasons.

I think the reason why we are caught in a debate that is going no where is because we aren't arguing about what really matters, at least not for the most part. When we compare PC and console gaming it always comes down to the numbers. Well you have to upgrade every X number of years and spend Y amount of money and blah blah blah most of these equations are purely theoretical and don't really mean anything. On the other hand consoles get even worse grief for just being what they are. The question "why do people play consoles when PC is always better" is really a question of "why are people different from me and have different values". Good luck finding the answer to that one. I play PC and console games, I've always preferred consoles because consoles tend to have the games I want to play. I didn't buy a Wii because I said to myself, "shucks, that Wii sure is some impressive hardware to a unedumacated console gamer like meshelf!" I bought it because I wanted to play Twlight Princess, Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy. The last of which was a greater experience than anything I've played on the PC ever, because quality of design and hence ultimately quality of games have zero relationship with the platform they are released on. As long as that is true, which I can only estimate will be forever unless someone makes games that plug directly into our brains or something, the difference between PC gaming and console gaming is irrelevant. With that being said, a console can do absolute wonders with relatively minuscule hardware, being the much greater bang for the buck consoles are more successful gaming machines. The problem as I see it is a problem of policy. The reason TF2 is so far behind on the consoles is due to MS not having a model for releasing free content on Xbox live and absolutely no user-made content. Valve didn't make the PS3 version so they don't bother. Sony has made some strides in allowing people and developers some freedom (like Steam in Portal 2) but consoles still have a ways to go in that regard. I've said several times before that I would like all platforms dissolve into some sort of cloud-based gaming solution, because at the end of the day the only thing that matters are the games. I've been playing PC games since Doom, and all my favorite games are console games. Does that make me a noob? Or some kind of mongoloid? I'm not sure what the popular insult is these days, but clearly consoles are doing something right. I mean if mods that band-aid bad design and make PC games playable is one of the triumphs of PC gaming, you might have bigger problems on your hands than dumbed-down multi-platform releases, which are actually made better on the PC due to the interface and optimacy standards on the consoles being carried over to the PC, but I digress as these are Valves words not mine.

Anyways, what makes this difficult is that it is a difference of cultures. Consoles and PC are still different cultures, mainly due to Sony and Nintendo being Japanese and many console gamers such as myself simply prefer the tenets of good Japanese design, like precise pacing, tough-but-fair difficulty and a certain sense of a methodical and deliberate mentality behind everything. There is also still an understated huge demand for quality single-player experiences, and consoles tend to provide that with much greater vigor than the PC, as everything moves towards MMOs and quasi-MMOs, a genre I loathe with a squirm-inducing hatred and competitive shooters/rts games where you are essentially supposed to lose most of the time so you can have fun........Again, it's much about culture, expectations and preferences. The problem is when we level personal judgements against others for having different ideas about games than we do, then intellectualize those differences into reasons why consoles are horrible monsters that eat children and are holding the industry back. Even though many of us here would not even be playing games if it weren't for Sony. Speaking of which, I'm beginning to take offense at the notion that PC games are always the best looking, as all the best looking games I've seen this generation short of Crysis (can any of you even play it at a consistent FPS?) are PS3 exclusives. Go play Wipeout Fury or Uncharted 2, can you play that on a 300 dollar PC? Or even a 600 (wink wink) dollar one? Value matters.

Angryduck67

My eyes!

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

WhenCicadasCry

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

Well that's the point. A lot of these posts are from hardcore computer geeks who know the latest and greatest specs on every little piece of hardware that goes into their PC. Nvidia rtx778000 clocked at 0-75mphmghz in 2 seconds with 30nm gpu cpu graphics cards blah blah blah blah blah blah. You and Gabe Newell can discuss that. We don't know and we don't care. We just want to play games man. So we do. On a console. Where none of that is an issue or a thought.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

That is your opinion but others might disagree.

I built my first PC back in 1995 And I was only 13. Back then it was a lot harder to build a computer and yet I still did it.

My nephew built his first computer when he was 10.

It is very easy to build a computer and if you are too lazy or just don't want to then you can pay someone around 40 USD to build it for you.

A choice in games is subjective. Just like you can say PC games don't interest you I could also say Console games don;t interest me.

Hakkai007

You're right about this being subjective, but these are valid reasons why many people don't want to game on PC's. I've built several gaming PC's and sold my last one because it was sitting there collecting dust. Most PC games don't interest me and the community annoys me to no end. (not that the console community is any better)

I changed to PC gaming for those same reasons.

So then we can agree that they are valid reasons for changing platforms and that in both cases we are choosing by preference? That was the goal of this thread.

I think the reason why we are caught in a debate that is going no where is because we aren't arguing about what really matters, at least not for the most part. When we compare PC and console gaming it always comes down to the numbers. Well you have to upgrade every X number of years and spend Y amount of money and blah blah blah most of these equations are purely theoretical and don't really mean anything. On the other hand consoles get even worse grief for just being what they are. The question "why do people play consoles when PC is always better" is really a question of "why are people different from me and have different values". Good luck finding the answer to that one. I play PC and console games, I've always preferred consoles because consoles tend to have the games I want to play. I didn't buy a Wii because I said to myself, "shucks, that Wii sure is some impressive hardware to a unedumacated console gamer like meshelf!" I bought it because I wanted to play Twlight Princess, Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy. The last of which was a greater experience than anything I've played on the PC ever, because quality of design and hence ultimately quality of games have zero relationship with the platform they are released on. As long as that is true, which I can only estimate will be forever unless someone makes games that plug directly into our brains or something, the difference between PC gaming and console gaming is irrelevant. With that being said, a console can do absolute wonders with relatively minuscule hardware, being the much greater bang for the buck consoles are more successful gaming machines. The problem as I see it is a problem of policy. The reason TF2 is so far behind on the consoles is due to MS not having a model for releasing free content on Xbox live and absolutely no user-made content. Valve didn't make the PS3 version so they don't bother. Sony has made some strides in allowing people and developers some freedom (like Steam in Portal 2) but consoles still have a ways to go in that regard. I've said several times before that I would like all platforms dissolve into some sort of cloud-based gaming solution, because at the end of the day the only thing that matters are the games. I've been playing PC games since Doom, and all my favorite games are console games. Does that make me a noob? Or some kind of mongoloid? I'm not sure what the popular insult is these days, but clearly consoles are doing something right. I mean if mods that band-aid bad design and make PC games playable is one of the triumphs of PC gaming, you might have bigger problems on your hands than dumbed-down multi-platform releases, which are actually made better on the PC due to the interface and optimacy standards on the consoles being carried over to the PC, but I digress as these are Valves words not mine.

Anyways, what makes this difficult is that it is a difference of cultures. Consoles and PC are still different cultures, mainly due to Sony and Nintendo being Japanese and many console gamers such as myself simply prefer the tenets of good Japanese design, like precise pacing, tough-but-fair difficulty and a certain sense of a methodical and deliberate mentality behind everything. There is also still an understated huge demand for quality single-player experiences, and consoles tend to provide that with much greater vigor than the PC, as everything moves towards MMOs and quasi-MMOs, a genre I loathe with a squirm-inducing hatred and competitive shooters/rts games where you are essentially supposed to lose most of the time so you can have fun........Again, it's much about culture, expectations and preferences. The problem is when we level personal judgements against others for having different ideas about games than we do, then intellectualize those differences into reasons why consoles are horrible monsters that eat children and are holding the industry back. Even though many of us here would not even be playing games if it weren't for Sony. Speaking of which, I'm beginning to take offense at the notion that PC games are always the best looking, as all the best looking games I've seen this generation short of Crysis (can any of you even play it at a consistent FPS?) are PS3 exclusives. Go play Wipeout Fury or Uncharted 2, can you play that on a 300 dollar PC? Or even a 600 (wink wink) dollar one? Value matters.

Angryduck67

Remember next time, the simplest arguments are always the best :|
Walls of text or No-nos

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

VladJasonDrac

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

Well that's the point. A lot of these posts are from hardcore computer geeks who know the latest and greatest specs on every little piece of hardware that goes into their PC. Nvidia rtx778000 clocked at 0-75mphmghz in 2 seconds with 30nm gpu cpu graphics cards blah blah blah blah blah blah. You and Gabe Newell can discuss that. We don't know and we don't care. We just want to play games man. So we do. On a console. Where none of that is an issue or a thought.

Well some of us like to have superior looking games and a system with more potential and options.

That is your preference but not everyone's.

And you forget a computer is not just for gaming and is used for many important things.

Without those computers you would have your console games in the first place.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh good God, anybody can join TS or Vent...

argetlam00

:lol: Talk about desperate. I'm sorry that this ruins PC gaming for you...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] That's strange... when I point out that I grew up on PC and prefer console, immediately I'm labeled as a minority. I see no one jumping on your post... funny how it works differently when it's in the other team's favor.lowe0

Well maybe I am the minority... I don't know... I don't have a poll, do you? I just know that's my experience.

Well I replied to someone who stated his experience... I only did the same. I have no clue what happen in your situation, so I can't comment on it.

But, anyway... the man arguement here seems to be about price... I find it ridiculous. So yeah, let me toss some Molotovs with you!

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

You're right about this being subjective, but these are valid reasons why many people don't want to game on PC's. I've built several gaming PC's and sold my last one because it was sitting there collecting dust. Most PC games don't interest me and the community annoys me to no end. (not that the console community is any better)

tempest91

I changed to PC gaming for those same reasons.

So then we can agree that they are valid reasons for changing platforms and that in both cases we are choosing by preference? That was the goal of this thread.

Well lets put it this way. If the PC got every game a console had would you still not want to game on a PC?

I never meant my argument to be subjective as it is null. I would rather approach it from an objective view point like hardware and potential.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] How are TS/Ventrilo supposed to react to events in game? For example, switching squads or teams, broadcasting voice to anyone within earshot (so that the enemy can hear you if you're not being careful), knocking out all audio for a few seconds after being hit with a flashbang, etc.? lowe0

:lol: Talk about desperate. I'm sorry that this ruins PC gaming for you...

No. from what I remember vent doesn't react with events in the game. If you want that, you can use the VOIP supported by the game... Infact, I don't even see why one would care.

[QUOTE="VladJasonDrac"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

Hakkai007

Well that's the point. A lot of these posts are from hardcore computer geeks who know the latest and greatest specs on every little piece of hardware that goes into their PC. Nvidia rtx778000 clocked at 0-75mphmghz in 2 seconds with 30nm gpu cpu graphics cards blah blah blah blah blah blah. You and Gabe Newell can discuss that. We don't know and we don't care. We just want to play games man. So we do. On a console. Where none of that is an issue or a thought.

Well some of us like to have superior looking games and a system with more potential and options.

That is your preference but not everyone's.

And you forget a computer is not just for gaming and is used for many important things.

Without those computers you would have your console games in the first place.

Cool, and some of us don't give a damn. With that the thread has been answered. Just as its not everyone's preference to want a console it is not everyone's preference to waste effort on a PC. Bam done. And FYI, a lot of gamers never bothered with games until consoles came around ;)

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The effort it would take to get it far exceeds what I'm willing to actually go through just to play games.

VladJasonDrac

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

Well that's the point. A lot of these posts are from hardcore computer geeks who know the latest and greatest specs on every little piece of hardware that goes into their PC. Nvidia rtx778000 clocked at 0-75mphmghz in 2 seconds with 30nm gpu cpu graphics cards blah blah blah blah blah blah. You and Gabe Newell can discuss that. We don't know and we don't care. We just want to play games man. So we do. On a console. Where none of that is an issue or a thought.

Not really. I don't know much about current PC technology, but whenever I decide to upgrade my PC, I spend a few hours researching for the best deals / performance ect. Anyone with basic learning capabilities can do this. If you don't want to, that's fine, but it's a shame IF you have the money, and no barriers holding you back, you'll purposely avoid PC gaming because it could offer you gaming experiences you've never found on the consoles.

[QUOTE="VladJasonDrac"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

What effort? You buy the components, which can easily be picked out by someone with knowledge. You pay someone $40 to build it, or if you're a fan of Mechano, or Lego, you can build it yourself, then you're up and away.

WhenCicadasCry

Well that's the point. A lot of these posts are from hardcore computer geeks who know the latest and greatest specs on every little piece of hardware that goes into their PC. Nvidia rtx778000 clocked at 0-75mphmghz in 2 seconds with 30nm gpu cpu graphics cards blah blah blah blah blah blah. You and Gabe Newell can discuss that. We don't know and we don't care. We just want to play games man. So we do. On a console. Where none of that is an issue or a thought.

Not really. I don't know much about current PC technology, but whenever I decide to upgrade my PC, I spend a few hours researching for the best deals / performance ect. Anyone with basic learning capabilities can do this. If you don't want to, that's fine, but it's a shame IF you have the money, and no barriers holding you back, you'll purposely avoid PC gaming because it could offer you gaming experiences you've never found on the consoles.

I'm not interested in research just to play games, for me its a waste of my effort.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="VladJasonDrac"]

Well that's the point. A lot of these posts are from hardcore computer geeks who know the latest and greatest specs on every little piece of hardware that goes into their PC. Nvidia rtx778000 clocked at 0-75mphmghz in 2 seconds with 30nm gpu cpu graphics cards blah blah blah blah blah blah. You and Gabe Newell can discuss that. We don't know and we don't care. We just want to play games man. So we do. On a console. Where none of that is an issue or a thought.

ActicEdge

Not really. I don't know much about current PC technology, but whenever I decide to upgrade my PC, I spend a few hours researching for the best deals / performance ect. Anyone with basic learning capabilities can do this. If you don't want to, that's fine, but it's a shame IF you have the money, and no barriers holding you back, you'll purposely avoid PC gaming because it could offer you gaming experiences you've never found on the consoles.

I'm not interested in research just to play games, for me its a waste of my effort.

:( That sucks.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

I changed to PC gaming for those same reasons.

Hakkai007

So then we can agree that they are valid reasons for changing platforms and that in both cases we are choosing by preference? That was the goal of this thread.

Well lets put it this way. If the PC got every game a console had would you still not want to game on a PC?

I never meant my argument to be subjective as it is null. I would rather approach it from an objective view point like hardware and potential.

I would 100% play on console if given the choice with the same games. 3rd party voice chat, server browsing, lame community. I can do without it. Besides PC gaming is becoming consolized anyways, so it won't be much longer before there is no difference.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Not really. I don't know much about current PC technology, but whenever I decide to upgrade my PC, I spend a few hours researching for the best deals / performance ect. Anyone with basic learning capabilities can do this. If you don't want to, that's fine, but it's a shame IF you have the money, and no barriers holding you back, you'll purposely avoid PC gaming because it could offer you gaming experiences you've never found on the consoles.

WhenCicadasCry

I'm not interested in research just to play games, for me its a waste of my effort.

:( That sucks.

I've done the research portion of this as well and the excitement of PC gaming has long since worn off. Maybe that's just me though.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh good God, anybody can join TS or Vent...

lowe0

Man... I love it when someone just comes in the debate with another arugment that had nothing to do with the point.

Anyway, if you don't like TS or Vent, then don't use it. The IG chat is garbarge compared to them but it works.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

So then we can agree that they are valid reasons for changing platforms and that in both cases we are choosing by preference? That was the goal of this thread.

tempest91

Well lets put it this way. If the PC got every game a console had would you still not want to game on a PC?

I never meant my argument to be subjective as it is null. I would rather approach it from an objective view point like hardware and potential.

I would 100% play on console if given the choice with the same games. 3rd party voice chat, server browsing, lame community. I can do without it. Besides PC gaming is becoming consolized anyways, so it won't be much longer before there is no difference.

Which will soon change once the PS3 and 360 gets "Wiiified". You'll all be running to the PC. :P

Teh PC iz teh winzz!!!

Besides PC gaming is becoming consolized anyways, so it won't be much longer before there is no difference.

tempest91

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

So then we can agree that they are valid reasons for changing platforms and that in both cases we are choosing by preference? That was the goal of this thread.

tempest91

Well lets put it this way. If the PC got every game a console had would you still not want to game on a PC?

I never meant my argument to be subjective as it is null. I would rather approach it from an objective view point like hardware and potential.

I would 100% play on console if given the choice with the same games. 3rd party voice chat, server browsing, lame community. I can do without it. Besides PC gaming is becoming consolized anyways, so it won't be much longer before there is no difference.

Lol at lame community. I'd best the worst PC communities are better than the best console communities. Lets also ignore the superior versions of multiplats, the mods, the far superior graphics and gameplay (provided from actual features of K+M)