Wii gamers, are you pleased with this year so far?

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

How many people bought it is insignificant, the Wii has low standards is what I was saying...

StealthMonkey4

No, it's not just me. Even with low standards it still has a much worse overall library than the other systems. The Wii does have low standards, some of the high scoring games on Wii have terrible controls, bad graphics, lackluster online and would not be rated the same if they were a PS3, 360, or PC exclusive, reviewers realize the Wii has terrible, controls, graphics, gameplay, and online so they don't even factor these as a negative points unless they are truly terrible, they just don't rate Wii exclusives the same as games on other systems. Take Conduit 2 and Conduit for example, the first one was garbage, yet sheep still hyped it because maybe, just maybe the Wii would have at least one slightly good FPS... yet PS3 and 360 have hundreds. The Wii is the laughing stock of the video game industry...

Again where's your standards argument?

Anyone claiming to be "hardcore" if they haven't beaten Sin & Punishment on hard mode (or worse yet, dismissed it as a bad game simply because it's on the Wii) is full of crap. The game's amazing, old-school as hell, was the final nail in the coffin for me to buy a Wii, and I certainly don't regret it.

pills4louis

What does that have anything to do with the topic..?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Because you say so? Get real.

Shinobishyguy

No, it's not just me. Even with low standards it still has a much worse overall library than the other systems. The Wii does have low standards, some of the high scoring games on Wii have terrible controls, bad graphics, lackluster online and would not be rated the same if they were a PS3, 360, or PC exclusive, reviewers realize the Wii has terrible, controls, graphics, gameplay, and online so they don't even factor these as a negative points unless they are truly terrible, they just don't rate Wii exclusives the same as games on other systems. Take Conduit 2 and Conduit for example, the first one was garbage, yet sheep still hyped it because maybe, just maybe the Wii would have at least one slightly good FPS... yet PS3 and 360 have hundreds. The Wii is the laughing stock of the video game industry...

Again where's your standards argument?

SMG2 is good, yet it's only one game, Wii has quality games, just very little (as I said in my last post).

I think I may have good news for you. Nintendo recently registered The Last Story for both Europe and America. Source is in French.

Maroxad

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, it's not just me. Even with low standards it still has a much worse overall library than the other systems. The Wii does have low standards, some of the high scoring games on Wii have terrible controls, bad graphics, lackluster online and would not be rated the same if they were a PS3, 360, or PC exclusive, reviewers realize the Wii has terrible, controls, graphics, gameplay, and online so they don't even factor these as a negative points unless they are truly terrible, they just don't rate Wii exclusives the same as games on other systems. Take Conduit 2 and Conduit for example, the first one was garbage, yet sheep still hyped it because maybe, just maybe the Wii would have at least one slightly good FPS... yet PS3 and 360 have hundreds. The Wii is the laughing stock of the video game industry...

StealthMonkey4

Again where's your standards argument?

SMG2 is good, yet it's only one game, Wii has quality games, just very little (as I said in my last post).

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, it's not just me. Even with low standards it still has a much worse overall library than the other systems. The Wii does have low standards, some of the high scoring games on Wii have terrible controls, bad graphics, lackluster online and would not be rated the same if they were a PS3, 360, or PC exclusive, reviewers realize the Wii has terrible, controls, graphics, gameplay, and online so they don't even factor these as a negative points unless they are truly terrible, they just don't rate Wii exclusives the same as games on other systems. Take Conduit 2 and Conduit for example, the first one was garbage, yet sheep still hyped it because maybe, just maybe the Wii would have at least one slightly good FPS... yet PS3 and 360 have hundreds. The Wii is the laughing stock of the video game industry...

StealthMonkey4

Again where's your standards argument?

SMG2 is good, yet it's only one game, Wii has quality games, just very little (as I said in my last post).

Lol no. Its been a piss poor year. If I wasn't knee deep in work I would probably be annoyed.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]notice how none of these apply to SMG2.

Again where's your standards argument?

Shinobishyguy

SMG2 is good, yet it's only one game, Wii has quality games, just very little (as I said in my last post).

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

SMG2 is good, yet it's only one game, Wii has quality games, just very little (as I said in my last post).

StealthMonkey4

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

Prove it. This non sense is old. They're not as high quality because why? You say so? Please, bring some evidence to the table or just stop wasting everyone's time.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

SMG2 is good, yet it's only one game, Wii has quality games, just very little (as I said in my last post).

StealthMonkey4

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

In all honesty is this a coping mechanism? Does it bother you that the wii is actually capable of putting out games that can stand toe to toe with the best on the HD consoles?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]So do you honestly believe that those good games inheritely inferior just because of them being on the wii? ActicEdge

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

Prove it. This non sense is old. They're not as high quality because why? You say so? Please, bring some evidence to the table or just stop wasting everyone's time.

I already did in my previous post. The graphics aren't as good, the online isn't as developed, the controls arent as good. The sheep get hyped up over the though of one possible ok shooter, the Wii doesn't have a single decent open world or sandbox game as far as I'm aware. Just compare some of the highest rated games on any console to the Wii, the Wii could never have something of the scale or quality of something like Halo, Fallout 3, God of War, RDR, GTA, Oblivion, KZ2, etc. Conduit 2 is a great example, Wii sheep get so hyped up over the sequel to a pice of s***, just because maybe, maybe one day Wii owners can hope to actually get a decent FPS.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]So do you honestly believe that those good games inheritely inferior just because of them being on the wii? Shinobishyguy

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

In all honesty is this a coping mechanism? Does it bother you that the wii is actually capable of putting out games that can stand toe to toe with the best on the HD consoles?

Considering how they don't stand toe to toe, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

StealthMonkey4

In all honesty is this a coping mechanism? Does it bother you that the wii is actually capable of putting out games that can stand toe to toe with the best on the HD consoles?

Considering how they don't stand toe to toe, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Thats essentially saying the same thing :|

In all honesty is this a coping mechanism? Does it bother you that the wii is actually capable of putting out games that can stand toe to toe with the best on the HD consoles?

Shinobishyguy

Considering how they don't stand toe to toe, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I didn't know SMG2 was plural...

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Considering how they don't stand toe to toe, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

StealthMonkey4

I didn't know SMG2 was plural...

But in case you didn't notice I listed two games.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

No, they're not inferior just for being on the Wii, they are just simply not as high quality as the high quality games on other systems.

StealthMonkey4

Prove it. This non sense is old. They're not as high quality because why? You say so? Please, bring some evidence to the table or just stop wasting everyone's time.

I already did in my previous post. The graphics aren't as good, the online isn't as developed, the controls arent as good. The sheep get hyped up over the though of one possible ok shooter, the Wii doesn't have a single decent open world or sandbox game as far as I'm aware. Just compare some of the highest rated games on any console to the Wii, the Wii could never have something of the scale or quality of something like Halo, Fallout 3, God of War, RDR, GTA, Oblivion, KZ2, etc. Conduit 2 is a great example, Wii sheep get so hyped up over the sequel to a pice of s***, just because maybe, maybe one day Wii owners can hope to actually get a decent FPS.

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Prove it. This non sense is old. They're not as high quality because why? You say so? Please, bring some evidence to the table or just stop wasting everyone's time.

ActicEdge

I already did in my previous post. The graphics aren't as good, the online isn't as developed, the controls arent as good. The sheep get hyped up over the though of one possible ok shooter, the Wii doesn't have a single decent open world or sandbox game as far as I'm aware. Just compare some of the highest rated games on any console to the Wii, the Wii could never have something of the scale or quality of something like Halo, Fallout 3, God of War, RDR, GTA, Oblivion, KZ2, etc. Conduit 2 is a great example, Wii sheep get so hyped up over the sequel to a pice of s***, just because maybe, maybe one day Wii owners can hope to actually get a decent FPS.

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

Anyone claiming to be "hardcore" if they haven't beaten Sin & Punishment on hard mode (or worse yet, dismissed it as a bad game simply because it's on the Wii) is full of crap. The game's amazing, old-school as hell, was the final nail in the coffin for me to buy a Wii, and I certainly don't regret it.

StealthMonkey4

What does that have anything to do with the topic..?

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

Anyone claiming to be "hardcore" if they haven't beaten Sin & Punishment on hard mode (or worse yet, dismissed it as a bad game simply because it's on the Wii) is full of crap. The game's amazing, old-school as hell, was the final nail in the coffin for me to buy a Wii, and I certainly don't regret it.

pills4louis

What does that have anything to do with the topic..?

Most of them are... one game being hardcore is an exception, not the norm.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I already did in my previous post. The graphics aren't as good, the online isn't as developed, the controls arent as good. The sheep get hyped up over the though of one possible ok shooter, the Wii doesn't have a single decent open world or sandbox game as far as I'm aware. Just compare some of the highest rated games on any console to the Wii, the Wii could never have something of the scale or quality of something like Halo, Fallout 3, God of War, RDR, GTA, Oblivion, KZ2, etc. Conduit 2 is a great example, Wii sheep get so hyped up over the sequel to a pice of s***, just because maybe, maybe one day Wii owners can hope to actually get a decent FPS.

StealthMonkey4

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

And the 85 million people who bought the system didn't let it bother them enough to not buy it so obviously this is your problem and not THEE problem. Sorry but that isn't the issue at hand so stop trying to make it be. Sorry but your experience is not varifiable and therefore its not really my concern or anyone's concern to take it serious. If I say I haven't had that experience then all we are at is a crossroads which is pointless. So instead, just point me to reports of the controller being inferior or stop with this argument because you can't sell it in a debate. and my God, why is this about your wants and what you think is acceptable? No one cares whether M+ should have been there from the start or whether you think its "okay", I just want actal validation, not a life story.

Not my or anyone elses problem, they make up less then .001% of the Wii userbase, you wanna base evidence off that statistic, go ahead but I warn you no one is going to take you seriously.

Prove it. I'm not going to say why you are wrong, its your position to prove what you are saying. Of course I know you can't but regardless give it a shot. I also would love for you tho actual give me a reason not to laugh at the bolded. Lol, you said it right, its your "opinion", you're crazy if you think you can use that opinion and extend it to my or others "senses". lol.

Lol wrong again, I haven't even given my personal opinion on the matter beyond Stevo's thread title. I have asked you to give some justification to baseless claims and told you why those baseless claims won't fly. Those statements are just fact. You told me outdated graphics and online in this age are unacceptable but your reasoning is essentially "because it is". over 100 million people don't give a damn (DS, PSP, Wii, phones etc) so again, why do you think I should accept that opinion as being valid? This essentially extands to your whole argument too. Also I'm asking you to give something concrete and not your opinion, if all you have is your opinion I'm not going to try and change that, you're perfectly entitled to thinking whatever you want to. I say something when you want to use your opinion as validation.

Most of them are... one game being hardcore is an exception, not the norm.

StealthMonkey4

Ivy the Kiwi

Geometry Wars: Galaxies (not the same game as Retro Evolved on 360, though it is included on the disc)

Tatsunoko vs. Capcom

Lost in Shadow

House of the Dead: Overkill

Muramasa: The Demon Blade

Blast Works

Castle of Shikigami III

As much as I enjoyed Demon's Souls, Vanquish, and Bayonetta, the other two "big" consoles don't seem to offer much that I can dig.

I fine with what's being offered on the Wii this year because I usually don't buy gamesevery week. Anyway to StealthMonkey it doesn't matter whatsystem the SMG series releases on.No matter what system they are on they deserve the scores they have received on GS.Both games would still get really high scores because nobody barelytries to create incredible platformers on the HD twins.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

ActicEdge

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

And the 85 million people who bought the system didn't let it bother them enough to not buy it so obviously this is your problem and not THEE problem. Sorry but that isn't the issue at hand so stop trying to make it be. Sorry but your experience is not varifiable and therefore its not really my concern or anyone's concern to take it serious. If I say I haven't had that experience then all we are at is a crossroads which is pointless. So instead, just point me to reports of the controller being inferior or stop with this argument because you can't sell it in a debate. and my God, why is this about your wants and what you think is acceptable? No one cares whether M+ should have been there from the start or whether you think its "okay", I just want actal validation, not a life story.

Not my or anyone elses problem, they make up less then .001% of the Wii userbase, you wanna base evidence off that statistic, go ahead but I warn you no one is going to take you seriously.

Prove it. I'm not going to say why you are wrong, its your position to prove what you are saying. Of course I know you can't but regardless give it a shot. I also would love for you tho actual give me a reason not to laugh at the bolded. Lol, you said it right, its your "opinion", you're crazy if you think you can use that opinion and extend it to my or others "senses". lol.

Lol wrong again, I haven't even given my personal opinion on the matter beyond Stevo's thread title. I have asked you to give some justification to baseless claims and told you why those baseless claims won't fly. Those statements are just fact. You told me outdated graphics and online in this age are unacceptable but your reasoning is essentially "because it is". over 100 million people don't give a damn (DS, PSP, Wii, phones etc) so again, why do you think I should accept that opinion as being valid? This essentially extands to your whole argument too. Also I'm asking you to give something concrete and not your opinion, if all you have is your opinion I'm not going to try and change that, you're perfectly entitled to thinking whatever you want to. I say something when you want to use your opinion as validation.

How many people bought the Wii is totally irrelevant, I even bought one; many people just have their Wiis collecting dust. It's not just me who has problems, ifyou search Wiimote problems and find 100s of results, me and many of my friends have encountered these same problems, I don't need an article to tell me what I and many others can see with our eyes. Do you reallyneed an article to help explain common sense to you..? I don't know if it's the game or if it's my controller or what, but I (and it's not just me, I know many of my friends and people online who have great connections otherwise who have problems) have encountered battery problems, the cursor flickers and disappears, it's completely unergonomic (do I need to give you an article to tell you that brick shaped controllers are uncomfortable..?). And, if you think it's fine to allow Nintendo to just scam you like that, giving you a half-assed motion controller, just to say "Oops! if you want to have accurate motion control you're going to have to shell over some money for each controller" then I guess that's just you.:lol:I'm sure I'm not the nly one who has a problem with this business tactic, do you want an article explaining that too...:roll: Do you really need you an article to tell you things you can see plainly for yourself...

I think it's proof enough that the Wii doesn't have them, I could link you to a page showing you all Wii games, and how it's severely lacking in decent FPSes, sandbox games, open world RPGs, and blockbuster games, it's not my opinion, that's a fact, the Wii can't have these games and it doesn't have these games.

Yet again, you need a link telling you Wii as inferior graphics..?:lol: Do you not have f***ing eyes?:lol: Do you need me to give you a link to an article saying that there is friend codes, or that many games have no online or laggy online, or that it took Wii years to even get a mic that is not even a mic...

It is my opinion, but the things I am basing it on are not my opinion, if you choose to support Nintendo with their inferior graphics, friend codes, s***ty conroller, lack of AAA and AA overall library games, lack of sandbox games, lack of open world RPGs, lack of decent shooters, and lack of blockbuster titles, then more power to you I guess...:lol: I mean you can deny these problems, just because I'm not going to find an article for all my points, but they still exist and aren't going away.

Skyward Sword is one of my most anticipated, must-buy titles this year (despite having doubts about it), but if Xenoblade can get a PAL release I think I'll be happy with it. If DQ10 gets a 2011 Western release, & The Last Story & Pandora's Tower all got western 2011 released, it would be a great year. I think I'd need a miracle for that to happen though.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

StealthMonkey4

And the 85 million people who bought the system didn't let it bother them enough to not buy it so obviously this is your problem and not THEE problem. Sorry but that isn't the issue at hand so stop trying to make it be. Sorry but your experience is not varifiable and therefore its not really my concern or anyone's concern to take it serious. If I say I haven't had that experience then all we are at is a crossroads which is pointless. So instead, just point me to reports of the controller being inferior or stop with this argument because you can't sell it in a debate. and my God, why is this about your wants and what you think is acceptable? No one cares whether M+ should have been there from the start or whether you think its "okay", I just want actal validation, not a life story.

Not my or anyone elses problem, they make up less then .001% of the Wii userbase, you wanna base evidence off that statistic, go ahead but I warn you no one is going to take you seriously.

Prove it. I'm not going to say why you are wrong, its your position to prove what you are saying. Of course I know you can't but regardless give it a shot. I also would love for you tho actual give me a reason not to laugh at the bolded. Lol, you said it right, its your "opinion", you're crazy if you think you can use that opinion and extend it to my or others "senses". lol.

Lol wrong again, I haven't even given my personal opinion on the matter beyond Stevo's thread title. I have asked you to give some justification to baseless claims and told you why those baseless claims won't fly. Those statements are just fact. You told me outdated graphics and online in this age are unacceptable but your reasoning is essentially "because it is". over 100 million people don't give a damn (DS, PSP, Wii, phones etc) so again, why do you think I should accept that opinion as being valid? This essentially extands to your whole argument too. Also I'm asking you to give something concrete and not your opinion, if all you have is your opinion I'm not going to try and change that, you're perfectly entitled to thinking whatever you want to. I say something when you want to use your opinion as validation.

How many people bought the Wii is totally irrelevant, I even bought one; many people just have their Wiis collecting dust. It's not just me who has problems, ifyou search Wiimote problems and find 100s of results, me and many of my friends have encountered these same problems, I don't need an article to tell me what I and many others can see with our eyes. Do you reallyneed an article to help explain common sense to you..? I don't know if it's the game or if it's my controller or what, but I (and it's not just me, I know many of my friends and people online who have great connections otherwise who have problems) have encountered battery problems, the cursor flickers and disappears, it's completely unergonomic (do I need to give you an article to tell you that brick shaped controllers are uncomfortable..?). And, if you think it's fine to allow Nintendo to just scam you like that, giving you a half-assed motion controller, just to say "Oops! if you want to have accurate motion control you're going to have to shell over some money for each controller" then I guess that's just you.:lol:I'm sure I'm not the nly one who has a problem with this business tactic, do you want an article explaining that too...:roll: Do you really need you an article to tell you things you can see plainly for yourself...

I think it's proof enough that the Wii doesn't have them, I could link you to a page showing you all Wii games, and how it's severely lacking in decent FPSes, sandbox games, open world RPGs, and blockbuster games, it's not my opinion, that's a fact, the Wii can't have these games and it doesn't have these games.

Yet again, you need a link telling you Wii as inferior graphics..?:lol: Do you not have f***ing eyes?:lol: Do you need me to give you a link to an article saying that there is friend codes, or that many games have no online or laggy online, or that it took Wii years to even get a mic that is not even a mic...

It is my opinion, but the things I am basing it on are not my opinion, if you choose to support Nintendo with their inferior graphics, friend codes, s***ty conroller, lack of AAA and AA overall library games, lack of sandbox games, lack of open world RPGs, lack of decent shooters, and lack of blockbuster titles, then more power to you I guess...:lol: I mean you can deny these problems, just because I'm not going to find an article for all my points, but they still exist and aren't going away.

Maybe they haven't set the sensitivity settings on their Wii correctly. The only time the cursor disappears for me is when Imove my Wiimote on the very far side of the screen

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

*Brick wall of text*super600

*Brick wall of text*

Maybe they haven't set the sensitivity settings on their Wii correctly. The only time the cursor disappears for me is when Imove my Wiimote on the very far side of the screen

I've checked my settings, used different controllers, moved it between top and bottom, and I still get problems.

I don't own a wii but I know someone who I can borrow one. That really is the ultimate setup. Nintendo is still my favorite developer in the world by far but 90 percent of the rest of the console's library does not interest me at all. I have always said that I would like Nintendo to hit rock bottom like Sega did so that they could become a third party again like they were for Atari.GunSmith1_basic

Its been ok i guess.

Im broke, so I have no oppion. Just like I have no oppion on 360's games, because I dont have the money to buy any.

But is it any surprise that there arent many hyped games for the Wii that have come out this year? No, its not. I mean, with 3rd party practiculy abandoning the Wii, we cant expect any good 3rd party games. And most of Nintendo's devs have switched over to 3DS game developement and Wii2 games (obvously). The only devs still working on the Wii really are the ones making Skyward Sword. All we can do is wait till E3 and see what games get localized.

Over all, I am pleased with my Wii.

Terrible year. I'm not even interested in SS at this point.

I'm looking forward to Skyward Sword, and possibly Dragon Quest X. I'm using this year to catch up on Wii games I never finished and old Xbox 360 games.

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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I already did in my previous post. The graphics aren't as good, the online isn't as developed, the controls arent as good. The sheep get hyped up over the though of one possible ok shooter, the Wii doesn't have a single decent open world or sandbox game as far as I'm aware. Just compare some of the highest rated games on any console to the Wii, the Wii could never have something of the scale or quality of something like Halo, Fallout 3, God of War, RDR, GTA, Oblivion, KZ2, etc. Conduit 2 is a great example, Wii sheep get so hyped up over the sequel to a pice of s***, just because maybe, maybe one day Wii owners can hope to actually get a decent FPS.

StealthMonkey4

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

Hell even the GS review stated that it set the standard for ALL platformers.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

Shinobishyguy

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

Hell even the GS review stated that it set the standard for ALL platformers.

Dude doesn't understand what objectivity actually is. Just leave it be.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm sorry but graphics and online are not qualities that define the entirety of all games. There's reasons as to why games from 10-20 years agao more then hold up in this day and age without this shallow justification as to what "good" is. As far as control, give me something objective, your personal feeling of "The controls aren't as good because I don't like them" is not something I'm interested in. Bring me proof or stop spouting fluff.

This discussion is not about sheep, sheep don't rate games and sheep do not make up the entire 85 million people who have a Wii :roll:

SMG 1 and 2 are better rated then every game you listed besides GTA4 and were met with far less hostility than that title was as well. You have no real proof, you just think that because you can list some HD blockbuster BS your point is validated, its not. The quality (scale is not any indicator of quality hence why I'm not bothering with that argument. Even if Xenoblade proves your already flawed argument wrong) of those games is not something that is in some God league. Please :roll:

Can I get something validated which isn't just your opinion? If not then why are we even having this discussion again?

Shinobishyguy

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

Hell even the GS review stated that it set the standard for ALL platformers.

Still going on about that one game? Funny how that's all you evermention...

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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

StealthMonkey4

Hell even the GS review stated that it set the standard for ALL platformers.

Still going on about that one game? Funny how that's all you evermention...

We are trying to prove to you it's an incredible game. If it wasn't an incredible game it wouldn't have gotten 41 perfect scores on MC

No. I can't wait for Zelda but other than that I'm all PC right now with some MLB The Show for PS3 on the side. It's definitely reaching the new console release time, considering they've said Battlefield 3 is a launch title I'd expect it to come out later this year, IF any of this is true.

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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

THey don't define entirety of games, but it's just unacceptable to have such subpar graphics and mediocre online in the current gen, Wii is practically last gen on both of these, last gen systems aren't bad, but it's not acceptable for a system to have such archaic graphics and online play. And, it's not an opinion that many games I play often have the controller cursor disappear, flicker, fly around, and it's just not that great of a motion controller, the Motion+ is okay, but it should've been like that to begin with, not an additional add-on you have to buy.

I'm referring to sheep as in Nintendo fanboys, sheep were the ones who hype up such awful games.

Better rated because of lower standards, SMG2 is a good game, but it's not that great and doesn't even compare to the more polished, larger, better experience on other platforms, I know it's an opinion, but if you look at some of the high rated games from the Wii side by side with other system's high rated games, you'll see a huge difference. The Wii games aren't as published, the online isn't as fleshed out, they don't have as large scale, the graphics aren't as great, and they're just not as good. I know blockbuster games aren't all that matter, but there's definitely a problem when a system can't produce any blockbuster games like on the PS3, 360, and PC; all the games I listed and much more aren't possible and don't exist on the Wii.

It's funny you tell me to validate what I say and that it's an opinion when everything you say is an opinion as well, it is not an opinion though that the Wii has worse graphics, worse online, and is incapable of blockbuster games like those named. I'm having this discussion because you responded to my post, you started it so why are you asking me..?

StealthMonkey4

Hell even the GS review stated that it set the standard for ALL platformers.

Still going on about that one game? Funny how that's all you evermention...

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]And how do you know this?

Hell even the GS review stated that it set the standard for ALL platformers.

super600

Still going on about that one game? Funny how that's all you evermention...

We are trying to prove to you it's an incredible game. If it wasn't an incredible game it wouldn't have gotten 41 perfect scores on MC

It is a great game, not as good as MC makes it out to be, but it's great. That's not my point though, that's only (two, if you're talking about SMG1 also) great game, there's a severe lack of great quality games, and just one or two games doesn't change that.