Wii haters unite!

[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"]

I never said it was your argument, the fact is, you began using it. All I did was point out that that argument cant be used.

x_SuperMario_x

I only used GC games after he brought them up.

I've been using VC games which are completely separate from backwards compatibility.

Yes, and when you did, I said not to use that argument because its useless. Thats it.

VC =/= BC. I can't play my NES/SNES/N64 games on my Wii. They are not BC with Wii. It is not in place. It is a whole seperate feature.

VC and BC are two different things.

Blackbond

All forms of backwards compatibility are not the same the 80gb version of the PS3 uses a software emulator for its compatibility. Like the Wii it only supports certain products due to the way compatibility is being performed. The Wii since it is unable to use the formats used in earlier nintendo consoles uses a similar software emulator process but without the actual physical data needed.

All forms of backwards compatibility are not the same the 80gb version of the PS3 uses software compatibility. Like the Wii it only supports certain products due to the way compatibility is being performed. The Wii since it is unable to use the formats used in earlier nintendo consoles uses a similar software emulator process but without the actual game storage needed.

opex07

Spin it anyway you want to.

PS1 discs and PS2 discs can work in a PS3, making it backwards compatible.

NES, SNES, and N64 cartridges don't work in the Wii.

It's completely different.

Thats like saying if the DS let you download GameBoy games, then the DS is backwards compatible. And that wouldn't be the case.

But I don't even care anymore. Just assume I agree with whatever you say.

I'm going to bed.

[QUOTE="opex07"]

All forms of backwards compatibility are not the same the 80gb version of the PS3 uses software compatibility. Like the Wii it only supports certain products due to the way compatibility is being performed. The Wii since it is unable to use the formats used in earlier nintendo consoles uses a similar software emulator process but without the actual game storage needed.

x_SuperMario_x

Spin it anyway you want to.

PS1 discs and PS2 discs can work in a PS3, making it backwards compatible.

NES, SNES, and N64 cartridges don't work in the Wii.

It's completely different.

Thats like saying if the DS let you download GameBoy games, then the DS is backwards compatible. And that wouldn't be the case.

no both functions are designed for you to be able to play previouse games from earlier gens, how they go about it does not change what they are designed to do.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

VC =/= BC. I can't play my NES/SNES/N64 games on my Wii. They are not BC with Wii. It is not in place. It is a whole seperate feature.

VC and BC are two different things.

opex07

All forms of backwards compatibility are not the same the 80gb version of the PS3 uses a software emulator for its compatibility. Like the Wii it only supports certain products due to the way compatibility is being performed. The Wii since it is unable to use the formats used in earlier nintendo consoles uses a similar software emulator process but without the actual physical data needed.

So please tell me how Neo Geo, Sega Master System, Turbo Graphics 16, and Sega Genesis are examples of BC with a Nintendo System?

I'll also assume that Gametap is another form of BC as well right?

Seriously man your grasping for straws.

Backward Compatibility means my games I own from a backward generation are still usable on a forward generation. VC like GameTap and XBLA are services not BC.

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

VC =/= BC. I can't play my NES/SNES/N64 games on my Wii. They are not BC with Wii. It is not in place. It is a whole seperate feature.

VC and BC are two different things.

Blackbond

All forms of backwards compatibility are not the same the 80gb version of the PS3 uses a software emulator for its compatibility. Like the Wii it only supports certain products due to the way compatibility is being performed. The Wii since it is unable to use the formats used in earlier nintendo consoles uses a similar software emulator process but without the actual physical data needed.

So please tell me how Neo Geo, Sega Master System, Turbo Graphics 16, and Sega Genesis are examples of BC with a Nintendo System?

I'll also assume that Gametap is another form of BC as well right?

Seriously man your grasping for straws.

Backward Compatibility means my games I own from a backward generation are still usable on a forward generation. VC like GameTap and XBLA are services not BC.

OWNED!!!

The most comparible thing to the VC is XBLA, not BC!!!

Both offer services, not GAMES at a price for you to download, store in the machines memory to play, not BC, where you take the original game on it's original format, whether cart or CD/DVD discs, pop into the machine's reader to play for free! There's a mighty different there!

I have to confess, I'm not a Wii hater, or a hater of any system. I love gaming! This being said, the Wii has won the console war this time around - there is no question.

The fact is the Wii has outsold the PS3 by a margin of two to one, and would have probably done the same to the 360 if the brilliant marketers at MS had not seen this coming (early release strategy). Check out www.vgchartz.com/

Here is my question. What is your gripe against the Wii being the winner of the console wars? They've clearly won, can you deal with it?

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follis12

Yes, I can deal with it, just like the Nintendo fanboys dealed with Nintendo getting their assed badly kicked by PlayStation 2 and PlayStation.

So please tell me how Neo Geo, Sega Master System, Turbo Graphics 16, and Sega Genesis are examples of BC with a Nintendo System?

I'll also assume that Gametap is another form of BC as well right?

Seriously man your grasping for straws.

Backward Compatibility means my games I own from a backward generation are still usable on a forward generation. VC like GameTap and XBLA are services not BC.

Blackbond

VC doesn't offer new content in anyway, only content that was already available years ago.Neo Geo, Sega Master System, etc.. are all data from previous gens there is no rule saying Backwards compatibility has to be for one console only or limited to one source. The Wii is simply emulatoring the data with a software emulator, like that seen in the 80gb PS3. Yes gametap is also using emulators to make modern PCs compatible with old or out of date data, it would be no different if you downloaded emulators on your own.

Your games from old generations are compatible due to the VC, just because your physical storage is not does not mean the actual data is also. Backwards compatibility is not a term limited to gaming.

Like I said earlier the software emulators in the PS3/360/VC are all designed to emulate old data, how they go about it does not change what they were designed to do.

VC doesn't offer new content in anyway, only content that was already available years ago.Neo Geo, Sega Master System, etc.. are all data from previous gens there is no rule saying Backwards compatibility has to be for one console only or limited to one source. The Wii is simply emulatoring the data with a software emulator, like that seen in the 80gb PS3. Yes gametap is also using emulators to make modern PCs compatible with old or out of date data, it would be no different if you downloaded emulators on your own.

Your games from old generations are compatible due to the VC, just because your physical storage is not does not mean the actual data is also. Backwards compatibility is not a term limited to gaming.

Like I said earlier the software emulators in the PS3/360/VC are all designed to emulate old games, how they go about it does not change what they were designed to do.

opex07

This has gone on too long.

You clearly don't know the definition of backwards compatibility.

Check out the link and read under the Wii section.

Then hopelessly defend yourself as if you have something to gain from this.

Heres my reasons i dont like the Wii

Mkavanaugh77

That's not the point of this thread.

You can just ignore all those problems by not buying it.

But why do fanboys have to hate the fact other people like it?

Is it not possible for me to enjoy something you don't?

This has gone on too long.

You clearly don't know the definition of backwards compatibility.

Check out the link and read under the Wii section.

Then hopelessly defend yourself as if you have something to gain from this.

x_SuperMario_x

are you really trying to use wikipedia as a source to define backwards compatibility, I could personally go into it and change it so I am correct as we speak.

And that's why I hate the Wii: Nintendo doesn't really care about its audience anymore ever since the N64 erakokomos

Riiight.

That's why they released Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Brawl, and Mario Kart all within the first couple years of the Wii's existence.

Yeah, Nintendo hates their hardcore audience.

But once again, that isn't what this thread is about.

Why do people hate the fact other people enjoy the console?

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"]

This has gone on too long.

You clearly don't know the definition of backwards compatibility.

Check out the link and read under the Wii section.

Then hopelessly defend yourself as if you have something to gain from this.

opex07

are you really trying to use wikipedia as a source to define backwards compatibility, I could personally go into it and change it so I am correct as we speak.

Yeah, until someone changes it back to the correct way.

You've been proved wrong multiple times, I'm not quite sure what you have to gain from this.

[QUOTE="follis12"]

I have to confess, I'm not a Wii hater, or a hater of any system. I love gaming! This being said, the Wii has won the console war this time around - there is no question.

The fact is the Wii has outsold the PS3 by a margin of two to one, and would have probably done the same to the 360 if the brilliant marketers at MS had not seen this coming (early release strategy). Check out www.vgchartz.com/

Here is my question. What is your gripe against the Wii being the winner of the console wars? They've clearly won, can you deal with it?

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WeAreBorn

Yes, I can deal with it, just like the Nintendo fanboys dealed with Nintendo getting their assed badly kicked by PlayStation 2 and PlayStation.

That was then, this is now. Likely within the next year, the Wii's installed base will exceed the PS3 and 360 combined. How does that feel cows and lems?

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"]

This has gone on too long.

You clearly don't know the definition of backwards compatibility.

Check out the link and read under the Wii section.

Then hopelessly defend yourself as if you have something to gain from this.

opex07

are you really trying to use wikipedia as a source to define backwards compatibility, I could personally go into it and change it so I am correct as we speak.

Right here.

GC games count as backwards compatibility.

VC games count as digital distribution.

[QUOTE="-hells-"]

Exactly and the 360 has about 95 am talking about games NOT eclusives

x_SuperMario_x

I already said the 360 has more games, so keep your panties on.

If you think so you are kidding yourself or really hate sony.I dont care about old games I have pc emulators for that.When I look at lineup I see retail games and online downloads and ps3 and 360 easily trump the wii when it comes to that.And trust me I dont hate nintendo I hate the wii.I have 2 ds one phat and one lite. And I love games like zelda:tp.But the wii I am just not able to understand why people support it.Sucky graphics,sucky online,Pathetic multimedia capabilities.And a less than average library.Ok if you say that ps3's library isnt as good lets agree with you for a minute.But still it has a good enough online for free and is an awesome blu ray player.That is only iff I think wii's library is better ,which I dont btw.Still there are reasons to support the ps3/360 but the wii I am just not able to understand

-hells-

Nope. I love Sony. Last gen I bought a PS2, and completely ignored the Gamecube.

As for not caring about old games, thats one of the reasons we don't think alike. I love buying classics off of the VC, and it's one of the reasons I bought the console.

I think the main games arguement between the consoles is that most Wii owners consider VC games just as valuable as retail games. I look at some PS3 games, and some developers just pop out shiny graphics, and don't focus too much on the gameplay. Same can be said for the 360.

As for online, you get what you pay for. It's $250, and people were fooling themselves if they thought they'd get XBL capabilities.

As for Blu-Ray, mehh. It's nice to have, but I wouldn't buy the PS3 just because of it.

Overall, the games arguement is all about opinions. I find more games on the Wii than I could on the PS3. With that said, I've already stated that all three consoles are necessary to get the most out of gaming. Eventually I plan on buying a PS3, but I'll probably keep it to the big name games, COD4, MSG4, etc. Whereas on the Wii, I find myself buying a lot of relatively cheap off-the-wall games.

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"]

That's where you failed..

Between retail games, virtual console games, and WiiWare games, the Wii has a lot more to offer than the PS3.

If you think otherwise, you're just kidding yourself, or you really hate Nintendo.

opex07

Ps3 currently has 56 games rated AA and up at gamerankings

Wii currently has 24 AA and up rated games at gamerankings

theres a large difference between the two

Ehhhh, I don't take Gamrankings too seriously. A few of those are multiplat, and almost all of the Wii's are exclusives.

Besides, they don't include VC games, which, like I already explained, is why some people buy the console.

On another note, at $50 or $60 a game, most people can't afford all the great games on their consoles anyway.

If you actually wanna include vc games then I wont even argue with you cos as I said I like them but have been playing them on pc since ages.And dont see them as a reason to why I should go for a console

Yeah, until someone changes it back to the correct way.

You've been proved wrong multiple times, I'm not quite sure what you have to gain from this.

x_SuperMario_x

No one has proved me wrong, the only people talking about backwards compatibility are acting like its only applied to gaming when it is a much broader term.

taken from several different sites:

Backward compatible (or sometimes backward-compatible or backwards compatible) refers to a hardware or software system that can successfully use interfaces and data from earlier versions of the system.

Backwards compatible-Able to share data or commands with older versions of itself, or sometimes other older systems, particularly systems it intends to supplant. Sometimes backward compatibility is limited to being able to read old data but does not extend to being able to write data in a format that can be read by old versions.

backwards compatible-Compatible with earlier models or versions of the same product. A new version of a program is said to be backward compatible if it can use files and data created with an older version of the same program.

I dont know why you guys are hung up on the physical storage of the data when the only thing wanted in any form of backwards compatibility is the data. Which is what VC does, emulates existing data

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

Seriously? let's be honest here, if we go by scores, the PS3 library destroys the Wii library, unless you want to go "only exclusives count" which is a really dumb argument.

x_SuperMario_x

But only exclusives count....

If we're comparing the number of games on different consoles, we can't include games that are on multiple consoles.

Number's aside, more people (non-fanboys) would find more games on the Wii, than the PS3.

If we're talking about exclusives, Nintendo has a lot more to offer than Sony, but exclusives aren't a big deal to you.

All in all, I've already said people need all three consoles. So argue with someone else.

If you actually wanna include vc games then I wont even argue with you cos as I said I like them but have been playing them on pc since ages.And dont see them as a reason to why I should go for a console

-hells-

See, that's the difference between us.

I have more with the VC than a girl on spring break.

But if Nintendo announces a few hardcore titles at E3 and they keep releasing VC/WiiWare games on a consistent basis, I'll be more than happy.

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"]

Yeah, until someone changes it back to the correct way.

You've been proved wrong multiple times, I'm not quite sure what you have to gain from this.

opex07

No one has proved me wrong, the only people talking about backwards compatibility are acting like its only applied to gaming when it is a much broader term.

taken from several different sites:

That doesn't help you any.

Those links just say it's hardware that can read software from earlier versions of itself.

The NeoGeo isn't an earlier version of the Wii.

Dude please leave aside these eclusives only argument.That is the dumbest ever.There are people out there like me who cant afford multiple consoles.Thankfully I do research before buying one.Cant even imagine the pain of SOME not all gamers who went with the wii and ended its single player and the few miltiplayer games and are stuck then-hells-

Umm, yeahh.

Then why did you buy the console you currently have?

If you have a 360, why not a PS3?

If a PS3, why not a 360?

And please don't say Blu-Ray, or I'll die from laughter.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

Right...people need all 3 consoles, but can people afford or have time to play all 3 consoles? when you buy a console you don't just look at the exclusives it has, you also take a good look at the whole library to decide if it has enough good games for you to buy it. and nintendo fans obviously find more games on the Wii that fit their tastes, but people who aren't into nintendo's first party titles wouldn't find as many good third party games on the Wii compared to the PS3 or the 360.

x_SuperMario_x

That is correct. Like I've said, most of it relies on people's opinions. If a person doesn't like Nintendo games, then they shouldn't buy a Wii.

As for having all three consoles, I don't have time nor the money. But I imagine some people do.

As for exclusives....

They have to be the determining factor in buying a console.

You can't make up your mind if you're judging by games that are also on the 360.

People have to choose, Sony or Microsoft. If you like Mario, choose Nintendo.

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

Dont hate the Wii, hate the lack of good games that appeal to me on it.

After I finished the 3-4 games I wanted, I havent touched it in months.

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

-hells-

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

[QUOTE="-hells-"]Dude please leave aside these eclusives only argument.That is the dumbest ever.There are people out there like me who cant afford multiple consoles.Thankfully I do research before buying one.Cant even imagine the pain of SOME not all gamers who went with the wii and ended its single player and the few miltiplayer games and are stuck thenx_SuperMario_x

Umm, yeahh.

Then why did you buy the console you currently have?

If you have a 360, why not a PS3?

If a PS3, why not a 360?

And please don't say Blu-Ray, or I'll die from laughter.

Frankly I dont have either but I can give reasons why I would go with one:-

360:-

Best online

Best library

Controller better for shooters

Lower price

PS3:-

More bang for your buck

Free and great online

Great multimedia capabilities(And why shouldnt I include this its a great feature)

Reliable hardware

Preffer the controller for everything other than shooters

Most promising 2008 lineup IMO

Wii:-

Only reason I can think of is price,nintendo franchises nothing else

[QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

x_SuperMario_x

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

Once again multiplats matter if you can only buy one console

Frankly I dont have either but I can give reasons why I would go with one:-

-hells-

Umm, yeahhh.

That pretty much screwed any opinions you had.

So what are you, a PC gamer?

[QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

x_SuperMario_x

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

What you're describing is the criteria for choosing a console for some one who already has a PS3/360. For some one who has neither, they wont care that GTA4 isnt exclusive. All they care about is that they can buy a ps3/360 and play it.

Oh, and Happy Birthday. Mines in 5 days.

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"][QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

-hells-

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

Once again multiplats matter if you can only buy one console

LOL. Contradiction, FTW!

That doesn't help you any.

Those links just say it's hardware that can read software from earlier versions of itself.

The NeoGeo isn't an earlier version of the Wii.

x_SuperMario_x

and the NeoGeo was explained in my dictionary definition link - Able to share data or commands with older versions of itself, or sometimes other older systems, which is exactly what the VC does.

[QUOTE="-hells-"]

Frankly I dont have either but I can give reasons why I would go with one:-

x_SuperMario_x

Umm, yeahhh.

That pretty much screwed any opinions you had.

So what are you, a PC gamer?

Pc gamer collecting cash to buy a console cos am fed up with pc gaming so am doing my research for a nearly 4-5 months in deciding which one to go for.Am going with the 360 but I can see why people like the ps3 but I cant understand how one can buy just a wii and be happy with it

[QUOTE="-hells-"][QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"][QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

x_SuperMario_x

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

Once again multiplats matter if you can only buy one console

LOL. Contradiction, FTW!

Where is the contradiction my dear.Both of the times I have said that multiplats matter if you wanna buy one and only one console.Where is the contradiction???

But if you have no console, it doesnt matter whether a game is exclusive or not. All you care about if the game exists or not.

What you're describing is the criteria for choosing a console for some one who already has a PS3/360. For some one who has neither, they wont care that GTA4 isnt exclusive. All they care about is that they can buy a ps3/360 and play it.

Oh, and Happy Birthday. Mines in 5 days.

whocares4peace

Thanks. :D

But my whole point is, games like Halo 3, Gears of War, MSG4, etc. DO play a role when it comes to buying a console.

Thats why some great exclusives are often called "system sellers".

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"][QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

-hells-

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

Once again multiplats matter if you can only buy one console

But then what's to prevent your customers from buying the competition console if he can only afford one?

Sure, if the customers prefer shooters and "harcore" games, he might forgo the Wii....But say you are Sony and you are trying to convince the customer to buy the PS3.....what are you going to use?

Surely it's not going to be multi-plats cause you can get those on the X360......and many have better graphics and online! So you don't want to do that....So once agian, it comes down to exclusives again!

Where is the contradiction my dear.Both of the times I have said that multiplats matter if you wanna buy one and only one console.Where is the contradiction???

-hells-

1st post- You claimed all those things you listed were the deciding factor in choosing only one console, and multiplats didn't matter.

2nd post- You say multiplats do matter if you can only buy one console.

Get it now? :D

[QUOTE="-hells-"][QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"][QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

StryderK

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

Once again multiplats matter if you can only buy one console

But then what's to prevent your customers from buying the competition console if he can only afford one?

Sure, if the customers prefer shooters and "harcore" games, he might forgo the Wii....But say you are Sony and you are trying to convince the customer to buy the PS3.....what are you going to use?

Surely it's not going to be multi-plats cause you can get those on the X360......and many have better graphics and online! So you don't want to do that....So once agian, it comes down to exclusives again!

Exclusives+free online+reliable hardware+blu ray.Whereas with the wii its JUST exclusives

Exclusives+free online+reliable hardware+blu ray.Whereas with the wii its JUST exclusives

-hells-

The Wii has free online, reliable hardware, and exclusives.

So it's only lacking Blu-Ray. LOL

[QUOTE="-hells-"]

Where is the contradiction my dear.Both of the times I have said that multiplats matter if you wanna buy one and only one console.Where is the contradiction???

x_SuperMario_x

1st post- You claimed all those things you listed were the deciding factor in choosing only one console, and multiplats didn't matter.

2nd post- You say multiplats do matter if you can only buy one console.

Get it now?

Duh I worte games library as a factor and that includes multiplats.Anyways lunch am hungry :D

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="-hells-"][QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"][QUOTE="-hells-"]

F*** exclusives ps3 is beating 360 in 2008 when it comes to exclusives .When a person wants to decide about going with one and only one console here are the thoughts that go into his mind

Console price

Games price

Online free or better?

Multimedia important or not??

What are their preffered franchises

Games library

RROD scares them or not

Controller prefference etc etc

And If and only if you care a hell lot about sony/MS/Nintendo franchises will exclusives matter to you.The way I see it the pricing is probably the best factor helping the wii in beating others right now .I cant find a single good thing about the system

-hells-

Those two just backed me up.

Preferred franchises? If they're multiplat it doesn't matter, it only matters if they're exclusives.

Games library? Multiplat doesn't matter because they're on both consoles. You choose between which exclusives you like more.

Once again multiplats matter if you can only buy one console

But then what's to prevent your customers from buying the competition console if he can only afford one?

Sure, if the customers prefer shooters and "harcore" games, he might forgo the Wii....But say you are Sony and you are trying to convince the customer to buy the PS3.....what are you going to use?

Surely it's not going to be multi-plats cause you can get those on the X360......and many have better graphics and online! So you don't want to do that....So once agian, it comes down to exclusives again!

Exclusives+free online+reliable hardware+blu ray.Whereas with the wii its JUST exclusives

Umm.....Read more carefully....I already tossed out the Wii........

And besides, with the split in the market, hardcore gamers first choice will always be the X360 and the PS3....

Casual's first choice will always be the Wii....

So once again, it comes down to exclusives even among the hardcores cause again, multi-plats doesn't help you any if you are Sony, unless you are desparate for a Blu-Ray player, which gets you into all sorts of trouble because people who buy the PS3 for a blu-ray player are a lot less likely to buy games judging from the PS3's total software sales.

Umm.....Read more carefully....I already tossed out the Wii........

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StryderK

but this thread is about the Wii

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

Umm.....Read more carefully....I already tossed out the Wii........

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opex07

but this thread is about the Wii

Sigh, read the thread or the argument we were arguing more carefully.

What I was saying even if you do not compare to the Wii or leave it out of the equation, exclusive is still the priority consideration among gamers cause the PS3 and X360 are basically doing the same thing!

If games appear on BOTH platforms, then what's to prevent me from buying the cheapest one? This is where Sony will loose BIG! The only factor is Blu-Ray. But if the guy doesnt't want blu-ray and Sony uses multi=plats to attract him.....Well, Sony gonna loose if this is the case!

[QUOTE="x_SuperMario_x"]

Yeah, until someone changes it back to the correct way.

You've been proved wrong multiple times, I'm not quite sure what you have to gain from this.

opex07

No one has proved me wrong, the only people talking about backwards compatibility are acting like its only applied to gaming when it is a much broader term.

taken from several different sites:

Backward compatible (or sometimes backward-compatible or backwards compatible) refers to a hardware or software system that can successfully use interfaces and data from earlier versions of the system.

Backwards compatible-Able to share data or commands with older versions of itself, or sometimes other older systems, particularly systems it intends to supplant. Sometimes backward compatibility is limited to being able to read old data but does not extend to being able to write data in a format that can be read by old versions.

backwards compatible-Compatible with earlier models or versions of the same product. A new version of a program is said to be backward compatible if it can use files and data created with an older version of the same program.

I dont know why you guys are hung up on the physical storage of the data when the only thing wanted in any form of backwards compatibility is the data. Which is what VC does, emulates existing data

You heard it here first ladies and gentleman.

Neo Geo, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Turbo Grapfix 16. They were all made and are all Nintendo Systems of the past :lol:

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

So please tell me how Neo Geo, Sega Master System, Turbo Graphics 16, and Sega Genesis are examples of BC with a Nintendo System?

I'll also assume that Gametap is another form of BC as well right?

Seriously man your grasping for straws.

Backward Compatibility means my games I own from a backward generation are still usable on a forward generation. VC like GameTap and XBLA are services not BC.

opex07

VC doesn't offer new content in anyway, only content that was already available years ago.Neo Geo, Sega Master System, etc.. are all data from previous gens there is no rule saying Backwards compatibility has to be for one console only or limited to one source. The Wii is simply emulatoring the data with a software emulator, like that seen in the 80gb PS3. Yes gametap is also using emulators to make modern PCs compatible with old or out of date data, it would be no different if you downloaded emulators on your own.

Your games from old generations are compatible due to the VC, just because your physical storage is not does not mean the actual data is also. Backwards compatibility is not a term limited to gaming.

Like I said earlier the software emulators in the PS3/360/VC are all designed to emulate old data, how they go about it does not change what they were designed to do.

GameTap is an online video game service by Turner Broadcasting System (TBS). Dubbed by TBS as a "broadband gaming network", the service provides users with ****carcade, computer and video games and game related video content. Users can play 119 free games. Subscribers are provided access to hundreds of games for either 99 cents for the 1st month and $10 a month afterward, or $60 a year.

Dude give it up man. GameTap is a service. It is advertised as a service. It is created as a service. Its essentially the same idea for PC but for Nintendo.

They are services not BC.

Emulation =/= BC

Virtual Console, sometimes abbreviated as VC, is a specialized section of the Wii Shop Channel, an online service that allows players to purchase and download games and other software for Nintendo's Wii gaming console. The Virtual Console lineup consists of titles originally released on now defunct past consoles. These titles are run in their original forms through software emulation, and can be purchased for between 500 and 1200 Wii Points depending on system and rarity.[1][2] The library of past games currently consists of titles originating from the Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Entertainment System, and Nintendo 64, as well as Sega's Master System and Mega Drive/Genesis, NEC's TurboGrafx-16 and TurboGrafx-CD, SNK's Neo Geo AES, Commodore 64 (Europe only) and MSX (Japan only). [3] Over ten million Virtual Console titles have been downloaded as of December 2007.[4]

Wonder why Europe gets the Commodore 64 and Japan gets MSX games. Yet we get no love.

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="StryderK"]

Umm.....Read more carefully....I already tossed out the Wii........

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StryderK

but this thread is about the Wii

Sigh, read the thread or the argument we were arguing more carefully.

What I was saying even if you do not compare to the Wii or leave it out of the equation, exclusive is still the priority consideration among gamers cause the PS3 and X360 are basically doing the same thing!

If games appear on BOTH platforms, then what's to prevent me from buying the cheapest one? This is where Sony will loose BIG! The only factor is Blu-Ray. But if the guy doesnt't want blu-ray and Sony uses multi=plats to attract him.....Well, Sony gonna loose if this is the case!

[QUOTE="-hells-"]

Exclusives+free online+reliable hardware+blu ray.Whereas with the wii its JUST exclusives

x_SuperMario_x

The Wii has free online, reliable hardware, and exclusives.

So it's only lacking Blu-Ray. LOL

L0l you are funny guy he was talking 360 vs ps3. And 360 doesnt have free online or reliable hardware and its online sucks anyways