Wii is more powerful than you think

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

There's very little truth in that article sir. And the Wii does not have proper shaders.
Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

There's very little truth in that article sir. And the Wii does not have proper shaders.
nintendofreak_2

It's both. Texture combiners were basically the precursor to programmable pixel shaders. If you wanted to call the TEV a "primitive pixel shader", then I'd be okay with that. However it most definitely does not have anything resembling a vertex shader, which is the other piece that the Xbox had.

Teufelhuhn

The "insane fill-rate" that Factor 5 said that the Wii has, would make more complex shaders possible on the Wii. Devleopers have already said that the Wii can "mimmick" the Xbox360 and PS3 shaders, obviously it would have to be done on the TEV since it does not have "programmable shaders".

You're also forgetting that the Wii's CPU is a Power PC at 729MHz compared to the Xbox1's Pentium 3 at 733MHz. The Power PC murders the Pentium 3 in benchmarks.

Acutal performance for the Wii's Power PC CPC at 729MHz is equal to about 1.5GHz

Yes developers need to be creative with shaders, but the Wii definitely CAN do them just in a different way. Why is that so hard to understand people?

Does Super Mario Galaxy look like it lacks shaders? Many sites have said that Mario Galaxy looks just as good as some 360 games.

How mad does that make you now?

You're also forgetting that the Wii's CPU is a Power PC at 729MHz compared to the Xbox1's Pentium 3 at 733MHz. The Power PC murders the Pentium 3 in benchmarks.

Acutal performance for the Wii's Power PC CPC at 729MHz is equal to about 1.5GHz

metaldave9999

That number doesn't exactly "murder" the Xbox1 if that's the case. That's like saying instead of 50 cents I have 58 cents. Whoopty doo!

[QUOTE="metaldave9999"]

You're also forgetting that the Wii's CPU is a Power PC at 729MHz compared to the Xbox1's Pentium 3 at 733MHz. The Power PC murders the Pentium 3 in benchmarks.

Acutal performance for the Wii's Power PC CPC at 729MHz is equal to about 1.5GHz

PhoebusFlows

That number doesn't exactly "murder" the Xbox1 if that's the case. That's like saying instead of 50 cents I have 58 cents. Whoopty doo!

Galaxy looks the same as Gears, Crysis, and Call of Duty 4 in my eyes. Of course, so does Super Smash Bros. Melee. I never notice graphics.Grodus5

:lol:

You forgot to say "just kidding".

That was a very interesting read. Too bad I don't know a lot about shaders :Plinkhero1

That is exactly the problem with these discussions. You get a bunch of Xbox360 and PS3 fanboys to simply say "the Wii is not even as powerful as the original Xbox" or its the same as an Xbox, and the Nintendo fans who don't really know much about the tech stuff can't defend the system and are forced to just lay down.

The Wii is completely different from the Xbox1. A different CPU and the graphics card is different. The Wii can do much more with the power it has compared to the Xbox1, its not even comparable really. Numbers are deceiving and the Power PC CPU is a perfect example of that. Its also the reason why the Wii can be priced much lower since the CPU uses less power but is able to get great benchmarks.

The "insane fill-rate" that Factor 5 said that the Wii has, would make more complex shaders possible on the Wii.

metaldave9999

Yes developers need to be creative with shaders, but the Wii definitely CAN do them just in a different way. Why is that so hard to understand people?

metaldave9999

Does Super Mario Galaxy look like it lacks shaders? Many sites have said that Mario Galaxy looks just as good as some 360 games.

metaldave9999

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]Galaxy looks the same as Gears, Crysis, and Call of Duty 4 in my eyes. Of course, so does Super Smash Bros. Melee. I never notice graphics.dracula_16

:lol:

You forgot to say "just kidding".

You forgot to read the guy's whole post.

[QUOTE="linkhero1"]That was a very interesting read. Too bad I don't know a lot about shaders :Pmetaldave9999

That is exactly the problem with these discussions. You get a bunch of Xbox360 and PS3 fanboys to simply say "the Wii is not even as powerful as the original Xbox" or its the same as an Xbox, and the Nintendo fans who don't really know much about the tech stuff can't defend the system and are forced to just lay down.

The Wii is completely different from the Xbox1. A different CPU and the graphics card is different. The Wii can do much more with the power it has compared to the Xbox1, its not even comparable really. Numbers are deceiving and the Power PC CPU is a perfect example of that. Its also the reason why the Wii can be priced much lower since the CPU uses less power but is able to get great benchmarks.

What complete load of fanboy bull****. That "article" fails in the first paragraph.

I also really like the part where they blame the poor graphics on "lazy devs".

EDIT: Added for some extra "LMAO"

"The Wii does not have Shader Model 3.0 and it doesn't have the power to run it, but it can produce custom shaders with the TEV that look almost exactly the same but have no name other than 'custom'."Teufelhuhn

Look at alien syndrome.....and then look at Super mario galaxy.

I really haven't had time to do research on them. I will do some reading later though. linkhero1

[QUOTE="linkhero1"]I really haven't had time to do research on them. I will do some reading later though. nintendofreak_2

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I really haven't had time to do research on them. I will do some reading later though. linkhero1

[QUOTE="linkhero1"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"][QUOTE="linkhero1"]I really haven't had time to do research on them. I will do some reading later though. Teufelhuhn

IGN: Resident Evil 4 was a beautiful GCN title. Rogue Squadron was doing things at launch that developers still haven't done on Wii. Why do you think that is? Are studios getting sloppy on Wii?

Julian: Yes. I'm so disappointed knowing exactly what the Wii can do -- and I still think nobody knows it better than we (no pun intended) [laughs]. I really have to say, boy, am I disappointed! They all have finally figured out, five years into the hardware's life cycle, how to do at least basic shaders and a rim light, but that's what everybody does.But I still don't see enough bump and normal-mapping, if any. I still don't see enough post effects, although you would have insane fill-rates with Wii. I don't see any of that. I was digging out Rebel Strike the other day and was looking at it, and we had some people who were visiting ask, "Why isn't anybody else doing this on Wii?" And I am at a loss. I really am.

Factor 5 seems to think the Wii is capable of better shaders and you gotta trust them since they made agruably the best looking Gamecube game in Rebel Strike.

Mario Galaxy looks awesome and its not just because of art direction. The Textures are extremely detailed, it Bump-mapping, spectacular lighting and advanced shading. If you have a pair of eyesyou can definitely see that in the latest trailers for the game from E3. What kind of shading is it? Who knows, but nice shading IS in the game and its not the basic shading that Julian from Factor 5 accused the other developers of doing with their lazy asses.

Obviously sheep are going to defend it when fanboys constantly make fun of the system, anyone whos anyone knows its more powerful than whats been coming out for the system. Look at SMG for example, or Metroid. Both games show how the wii games can be graphically and control wise. Obviously the graphics wont be Xbox360/PS3 level, but you cant deny that SMG looks good, just like you cant deny that RE5 looks great as well.

Haziqonfire

Agreed but sadly you can't brake fanboy logic.

The real question for the developers is "Why go through all that extra work for better graphics when most of the Wii buyers have made it clear they don't care about graphics?".ramey70

[QUOTE="Silvereign"]Not counting downloadable arcade games. PS3 3 AAA title 18 AA titles/Wii 2 AAA title 7 AA titlesBlackbond

What is the PS3's third AAA title. Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden Sigman and **** I can't remember :(

(no sarcasm)

Rainbow Six. I don't count downloadable games not for ownage or anything is that the line has to be drawn. If I'm judging a system's current library I'm judging mostly the games on shelfs.

I won't count Little Big planet or Warhawk unless they make their way to a game case and I didn't count some titles for PS3 now that has AA.

Am I the only one that doen't play games for pretty textures and such.

If I can enjoy a DS game (running on N64ish ahrdware)more than a 360 game then I'm not complaining.

I remember playing DOA 4 on my brothers 360 when my dad walked in and said "so why is it better."

I said because the graphics are a lot better. He said "it looks the same to same to me."

Thats when I realised how little differance there actually was when you play it. I've played the motorstorm demo countless times and it really looks amazing....but so what. I'm glad nintendo made the wii than the exact same thing as the other 2. Unless you have no life at all whats the point in having a ps3 and a 360. For like 4 exclusives? you play mario galaxy next to kameo and any passer by wouldn't even see the differance. Its only these 5 percent of people who write the wii off because of graphics.

....whatever.

Let one fanboy talk about graphics and the other fanboys start talking about games on a system beingtrash.

Yet, let one fanboy talk about games and the fanboys start talking about the hardware on a system being trash.

Talk about the hypocrisy of SW.

By this, I'm not specifing any fanboy. All seem to do it.

I don't care how strong it supposedly is, give me a game that looks better than Ninja Gaiden Black.Sparky04

Am I the only one that doen't play games for pretty textures and such.

If I can enjoy a DS game (running on N64ish ahrdware)more than a 360 game then I'm not complaining.

I remember playing DOA 4 on my brothers 360 when my dad walked in and said "so why is it better."

I said because the graphics are a lot better. He said "it looks the same to same to me."

Thats when I realised how little differance there actually was when you play it. I've played the motorstorm demo countless times and it really looks amazing....but so what. I'm glad nintendo made the wii than the exact same thing as the other 2. Unless you have no life at all whats the point in having a ps3 and a 360. For like 4 exclusives? you play mario galaxy next to kameo and any passer by wouldn't even see the differance. Its only these 5 percent of people who write the wii off because of graphics.

....whatever.

---OkeyDokey---

What's the point in having the Wii then, if you have a PS2? It all looks the same, right?

It kind of makes me upset that there is a quote from IGN during an interview with Julian Eggebrecht from Factor 5, because they jumped ship to make PS3 games exclusively this gen and I really love some of the stuff they have made for the GC and N64. I guess the success of Lair will determine whether they go back to making games for Nintendo or not, but even if Lair is successful, I would really like to see them spend some time and make an awesome game for the Wii (not a Star Wars one though) that will shut all the fanboys up about the graphical capabilities of the console.

At the end of the day, I know for a fact that when I look back at Xbox 1 games like Ninja Gaiden Black on a console that had similar specs to the Wii just with the TEV instead of shader model 2.0 and whatnot, I am content that if all good Wii games looked like Ninja Gaiden then that would satisfy me enough. However Nintendo obviously has proven that they know their own hardware and only the developers who put the time into a game can make it look good. The cash in's and horrid games that I have seen for the Wii are not a testament to what the console can do, Nintendo and dedicated 3rd parties will make the good games. I personally cannot wait for Sadness and No More Hero's as well as Crossbeam EntertainmentStudio's action adventure and RPG titles entitled Orb and Thorn.

[QUOTE="Sparky04"]I don't care how strong it supposedly is, give me a game that looks better than Ninja Gaiden Black.Luigi_Vincetana

Doom 3 for the Xbox had horrible frame rates and poor textures. No word of a lie, the graphics in the Xbox version were only slightly better thenwith the Radeon 9200video cardin my dad's desktop which I played that game on first. Ninja Gaiden looks so much better, nicer evironments and far better character models. I think id's engine for Doom 3 was poorly implimented though and required uber hardware at the time in order to get great framerates and graphicsout of a game.

[QUOTE="Sparky04"]I don't care how strong it supposedly is give me a game that looks better than Ninja Gaiden Black.Stonin

Or anything better than the PS2 would be a start ;).

the legend of zelda twillight princess

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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]

Am I the only one that doen't play games for pretty textures and such.

If I can enjoy a DS game (running on N64ish ahrdware)more than a 360 game then I'm not complaining.

I remember playing DOA 4 on my brothers 360 when my dad walked in and said "so why is it better."

I said because the graphics are a lot better. He said "it looks the same to same to me."

Thats when I realised how little differance there actually was when you play it. I've played the motorstorm demo countless times and it really looks amazing....but so what. I'm glad nintendo made the wii than the exact same thing as the other 2. Unless you have no life at all whats the point in having a ps3 and a 360. For like 4 exclusives? you play mario galaxy next to kameo and any passer by wouldn't even see the differance. Its only these 5 percent of people who write the wii off because of graphics.

....whatever.

afmsquid

What's the point in having the Wii then, if you have a PS2? It all looks the same, right?

what?

[QUOTE="ramey70"]The real question for the developers is "Why go through all that extra work for better graphics when most of the Wii buyers have made it clear they don't care about graphics?".RahnAetas

Should be more like "Why bother developing for anything other than the Wii and PS2 since gamers have made it clear that high end hardware and a high price do not make for a good console purchase?"

Spoken like a true sheep. I like millions upon millions of people are willing to pay a high price for a high end system.