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#1 Dencore
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Am I the only one who reads the sales charts?

Madden - 4.46 million copies

Hannah Montana Over half a million copies

50 Cent BulletProof almost a million and a half copies

Spongebob SquarePants Super Sponge almost 2 million copies

Mario Party 5 over 2 million copies

Poke'mon Colloseum sold 2 and a half million copies *selling more then twice the amount as Revolution in Japan*


Seriously these games have always sold more then our games and have always been cheaper to make. We have NEVER been the focus for the industry, if someone says different then they themself are a casual. Panzer Dragoon Orta failed to break past 150,000 mark, Phoenix Wright just breaks past the 100,000 mark in America, Disgaea barely or doesn't at all break the 100,000 mark, the only 2D Fighter this gen to break 150,000 copies was Street Fighter Anniversary Collection, Tekken Dark Resurrection has only sold 320,000 copies. We aren't the focus our games have never sold that good. Yes their are exceptions but they come in the midlife of the system. The 360 only has 4 million selling core games *dead rising, lost planet *disagree but most agree so...*, Gears of War, and Call of Duty 2 out of it's release, and the Wii already has 2 *Zelda and SPM*.

Dead or Alive 4 failed to break 500,000

Condemened only managed to sell 320,000 copies

Kameo only sold 310,000 copies

How is this remotely different to this list.

Sonic 310,000 copies

Trauma Center around 150,000 copies

Resident Evil 4 300,000 copies *and still growing*

Dragon Quest Swords 310,000 on it's debut week

Now you want to see something that will blow your mind?

Prince of Persia Rival Swords 90,000 copies shipped, but failed to break the shipment *sold around 52,000 copies*

SSX Blur disappeared after only 32,000 copies were sold

Busta Move Bash disappeared from list when it had less then 30,000 copies sold

Blazing Angels of WWII for the Wii, failed to break it's first 50,000 shipment

Cooking Mama disappeared from list when 42,000 copies were only sold

These are the games :lol:!

This seriously has to be some kind of sick joke, these are the games that you complain about? These horirble selling failures on this list....and what's this they will destory gaming forever? :lol:! It doesn't even matter if this is VG Charts these games could double the sales and they'd still be abysmal. What the hell would they shift from selling half-to over a million copies without even breaking 100,000 :lol: That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who thinks they'll make more money this way knows nothing about development. It takes less then 150,000 copies sold to cover 7 million in development. So are these developers going to settle for less money? What a joke of an assumption.

And if you look at the games that have sold well with first parties *Add Monkey Ball and Red Steel and Rayman to that list too* all of them but Rayman have been "traditional games". So if anything the Wii is prooving that casual games and port won't take over the industry. :|

As for ports and spin-offs not leading to real games?

Take a look at this:

Sold good so...

This was annouced.


Sold good so...

And that's just not it, since these games have sold well devs. are taking the Wii more serious.

Look at these announcements.

Tales Wii

Trauma Center New Blood

Nitrobike

This is seriously getting way out of hand here.

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#2 NobuoMusicMaker
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Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

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#3 Dencore
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Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

:lol: Nice totally ignoring the whole post. I pretty much prooved they'd make less money making shovelware.

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#4 ithilgore2006
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Yes I always notice how it's seemingly the one game, Cooking Mama, that Wii-haters bring up every time as the example of the games that will destroy the industry, yet that's not even a particularly high selling franchise, Wii or DS.
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#5 azad_champ
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DOA4 sold 1 million units. I'm pretty sure about that. But this still doesn't prove the point that Wii is getting more and more casual. in Gametrailers.com there's an article that says that alot of Wii exclusives in production are casuals. And we all know that casual games mean often: Mini-games!
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#6 ithilgore2006
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Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker
You didn't even so much as look at his post did you. That claim was what he was debunking.
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Awesome post. 10/10!
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#8 Dencore
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Now watch as all the fanboys ignore this thread. CaseyWargner I order a sticky. :)
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#9 NobuoMusicMaker
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[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

Dencore

:lol: Nice totally ignoring the whole post. I pretty much prooved they'd make less money making shovelware.

You mean like Ubicrap with Red Steel and Rayman?

He took out some examples, but in the end, crappy games on the Wii are still being touted by sheeps through sales. Like, wtf Mario Party 5.

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#10 immortality20
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You hated sales charts last gen. And it should sell well, I mean kids can finally convience their parents to buy this because its so much cheaper then everything else. Don't you think 360 or PS3 would sell good if it was 250 or whatever it is.
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#11 Dencore
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[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

:lol: Nice totally ignoring the whole post. I pretty much prooved they'd make less money making shovelware.

You mean like Ubicrap with Red Steel and Rayman?

He took out some examples, but in the end, crappy games on the Wii are still being touted by sheeps through sales. Like, wtf Mario Party 5.

WTF are you talking about?

I included those games. And those were the ONLY two games of this spectrum that sold well that sold that well.

Rayman was actually condered very good and actually with time and effort put forward to it, and as for Red Steel, try looking at 50 Cent and Medal of Honor sales which have sold MORE then that game for proof that these dosees do come out, it's nothing new. Goodbye.

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#12 ithilgore2006
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[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

:lol: Nice totally ignoring the whole post. I pretty much prooved they'd make less money making shovelware.

You mean like Ubicrap with Red Steel and Rayman?

He took out some examples, but in the end, crappy games on the Wii are still being touted by sheeps through sales. Like, wtf Mario Party 5.

Mario Party 5 is not a Wii game. It's an old GC game, he was pointing out they've always been huge sellers. Red Steel andRayman certainly weren't "shovelware", Rabbids was well recieved and Red Steel was rushed, but clearly had plenty of effort put into it, had it not been rushed it might have a been a good game, "Ubicrap" would be like Farcry: Vengance, which funnily enough has all the "shovelware" traits you like touting, yet did not sell well.
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#13 rey06
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[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

:lol: Nice totally ignoring the whole post. I pretty much prooved they'd make less money making shovelware.

You mean like Ubicrap with Red Steel and Rayman?

He took out some examples, but in the end, crappy games on the Wii are still being touted by sheeps through sales. Like, wtf Mario Party 5.

rayman raving rabbids? u bash that game? I bet u never played it hater! it was truly a fun game and it deserves that sales.

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Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

So, PS2 ruined last gen because it sold over 100million? Stop acting ignorant, if the PS3 replaced with Wii, you would be all over its sales boasting.

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#16 m_machine024
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SSX Blur should hve sold more. Very underrated game.
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SSX Blur should hve sold more. Very underrated game.m_machine024
I definitely liked it a lot more than Sonic. And I don't even like Sports games.
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#18 Eponique
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Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

I'm sorry Mr. Nobuo's Parents, but Nobuo will be repeating the 2nd Grade.

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[QUOTE="m_machine024"]SSX Blur should hve sold more. Very underrated game.Jandurin
I definitely liked it a lot more than Sonic. And I don't even like Sports games.

If it was actually ground up it would be one of my favorites. :)

Truly a refreshing experience for the genre.The Ubertrick system actually added some skill to the genre while making it fun too. :)

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#20 SillyManimal
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Am I the only one who reads the sales charts?

Madden - 4.46 million copies

Hannah Montana Over half a million copies

50 Cent BulletProof almost a million and a half copies

Spongebob SquarePants Super Sponge almost 2 million copies

Mario Party 5 over 2 million copies

Poke'mon Colloseum sold 2 and a half million copies *selling more then twice the amount as Revolution in Japan*


Dencore

It's not the sales, it's the fact that those games are garbage.

You have pretty much owned yourself.

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#21 Dencore
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[QUOTE="Dencore"]Am I the only one who reads the sales charts?

Madden - 4.46 million copies

Hannah Montana Over half a million copies

50 Cent BulletProof almost a million and a half copies

Spongebob SquarePants Super Sponge almost 2 million copies

Mario Party 5 over 2 million copies

Poke'mon Colloseum sold 2 and a half million copies *selling more then twice the amount as Revolution in Japan*


SillyManimal

It's not the sales, it's the fact that those games are garbage.

You have pretty much owned yourself.

:lol: Wow...just :lol:

None of those games were even on the Wii.

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#22 rey06
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[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

Eponique

I'm sorry Mr. Nobuo's Parents, but Nobuo will be repeating the 2nd Grade.

:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

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Sticky? hahahhaahahahahaa.
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[QUOTE="Dencore"]Am I the only one who reads the sales charts?

Madden - 4.46 million copies

Hannah Montana Over half a million copies

50 Cent BulletProof almost a million and a half copies

Spongebob SquarePants Super Sponge almost 2 million copies

Mario Party 5 over 2 million copies

Poke'mon Colloseum sold 2 and a half million copies *selling more then twice the amount as Revolution in Japan*


SillyManimal

It's not the sales, it's the fact that those games are garbage.

You have pretty much owned yourself.

You have no reading comprehension whatsoever. He's saying that those "crappy games" sold quite well on consoles that came before the Wii. :roll:

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#25 blubsi
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:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

rey06

Oh dear the situation has just worsened. The Wii fanboys are now unable to spell, substituting the letter 'i' where it should not be used.

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#26 Eponique
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[QUOTE="rey06"]

:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

blubsi

Oh dear the situation has just worsened. The Wii fanboys are now unable to spell, substituting the letter 'i' where it should not be used.

It's intended, boi.

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[QUOTE="rey06"]

:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

blubsi

Oh dear the situation has just worsened. The Wii fanboys are now unable to spell, substituting the letter 'i' where it should not be used.

That's a damn lie and you know it. Never notice the "O RLY" meme? It's kind of hard to miss.
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#28 Dencore
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Seriously look at the fanboys :lol: They're freaking out so they're trying to attack us while completely ignoring my initial post. It's so pathetic.
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I truly enjoy my Wii, and have never regretted choosing it over other consoles (except when i saw rock band *drool*), but i do agree that it has really opened the floodgate for poor games to flood the market and make a profit.

It seems to me that these poor games are being bought by people drawn to video gaming via the wii's accesibility, and buyilllicenced games that they reconise and minigames because they have immidiate draw value and seem simple. I do not believe that people are buying these games INSTEAD of the better releases, just that the wii is getting more non-gamers playing, who really dont know their stuff/dont care about their stuff.

This saddens me because it means less strong releases are seen to be needed for the wii, but in theory it isn't "ruining gaming" as, if my theory is correct, this should not be affecting other systems. Btw, could anyone show similar figures for otehr systems?

P.S. madden selling is never anything suprising.

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requesting a sticky :lol:
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#31 Ontain
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the TC made a good arguement. I haven't seen that arguement challenged in this thread yet.
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#32 fierro316
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For what I understand this thread is some serious debunking that Wii is ruining gaming and makes you wonder if Nintendo is truly expanding the market.
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[QUOTE="blubsi"][QUOTE="rey06"]

:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

Eponique

Oh dear the situation has just worsened. The Wii fanboys are now unable to spell, substituting the letter 'i' where it should not be used.

It's intended, boi.

And? It's a benchmark nonetheless.

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Still haven't seen one decent post challenging the TC's argument...
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[QUOTE="blubsi"][QUOTE="rey06"]

:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

Eponique

Oh dear the situation has just worsened. The Wii fanboys are now unable to spell, substituting the letter 'i' where it should not be used.

It's intended, boi.

he is probably new to the forums. Welcome to the forum blubsi:roll:

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P.S. madden selling is never anything suprising.alex_the_javo
That's his point. Games that gamers don't swear by have always sold the most.

With the exception of FF, GTA, Mario, and Halo. Somehow, those series are able to sell a lot and be somewhat unanimously liked by gamers.

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lol...I've nevr seen someone tried to "own" people before with a "Hannah Montana" game.
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[QUOTE="rey06"]

:lol: no wai he will join tree-branch!

blubsi

Oh dear the situation has just worsened. The Wii fanboys are now unable to spell, substituting the letter 'i' where it should not be used.

yep its our latest trend, no wai are the cows cooler then us! :|
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#39 Eponique
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lol...I've nevr seen someone tried to "own" people before with a "Hannah Montana" game.bezaire2005

Somebody get that "LOL, you didn't read" GIF please.

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[QUOTE="alex_the_javo"]P.S. madden selling is never anything suprising.Jandurin

That's his point. Games that gamers don't swear by have always sold the most.

With the exception of FF, GTA, Mario, and Halo. Somehow, those series are able to sell a lot and be somewhat unanimously liked by gamers.

Yes and no, if he were taking a neutral perpective on this, then that would be his point. His point is that it is the wii's fault. In maddens case, it most certainly is not. In minigamesupertime3000, it probably is.

Btw, the reason y there has been no solid comeback is because it is true, but im still curious about other system's game sales. While i dont see them being as "casual gamer" focused as the wii sales, i would not be surprised if there is a trend across systems.
Sorry for trying to be neutral in system wars:P

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#41 rey06
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[QUOTE="bezaire2005"]lol...I've nevr seen someone tried to "own" people before with a "Hannah Montana" game.Eponique

Somebody get that "LOL, you didn't read" GIF please.

LOL!!! :lol:

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#42 m_machine024
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Btw, good thread.
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#43 SpaceDragonMan
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DOA4 Sold over a Million. And the games you listed are casual games, Nintendo is concentrating on NON-games...
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#44 ganon42
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Then again, wii's top selling game is WIIPLAY (behind wiisports, the bundled one).
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LOL Sales.. Yeah developers are getting all there "hard earned" cash by making trashy games that I don't like.. :|
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#46 Eponique
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Then again, wii's top selling game is wiisports.ganon42

Stop lying.

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#47 GIJesse77
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yes, there are a lot of words and links and pics, sticky this.
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Then again, wii's top selling game is wiisports.ganon42

Maybe because it comes bundled with the console in NA and Europe?

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#49 ithilgore2006
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Then again, wii's top selling game is wiisports.ganon42
Yes, it's not like that's bundled with it in two continents or anything.
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#50 ganon42
Member since 2004 • 1749 Posts
My bad, got wiiplay and wiisports mixed up. Wiifit is wii's top selling game: http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=Wii&publisher=&sort=Total