Wii is ruining gaming? The Official Ownage to Wii Haters *requests sticky*

What surprises me is that crap for the Wii isn't selling except Red Steel but that's a launch game so it's normal. Also most of the top selling Wii games are actually pretty decent with good reviews.

Maybe "hardcore" gamers are the vast majority of Wii owners?! (Dramatic music)

My bad, got wiiplay and wiisports mixed up. Wiifit is wii's top selling game: http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=Wii&publisher=&sort=Totalganon42

[QUOTE="ganon42"]Then again, wii's top selling game is wiisports.ithilgore2006

Im sure ganon42 was making a deadly serious point in that statement that should definitly be taken seriously.

I was expecting another jibberish thread citing something from Nintendo, but this was actually reasonably well thought out.

The only flaw I can think of is the fact that the Wii hasn't been out for very long, which makes it hard to argue either way. I mean, I want to wait until at least the end of the year and after the holiday sales have been counted before I really weigh in. If at years end, Carnival Games and Horsez (and other similar games) outsell MP3 and SMG, THEN the haters are spot on.

Well well well, looks like shovelware doesn't sell. I guess there isn't much for haters to stand on now, is there? Note the mysterious disappearance of Nubuo.ZinkOxide

try checking his thread earlier, he got owned :lol:

I was expecting another jibberish thread citing something from Nintendo, but this was actually reasonably well thought out.

The only flaw I can think of is the fact that the Wii hasn't been out for very long, which makes it hard to argue either way. I mean, I want to wait until at least the end of the year and after the holiday sales have been counted before I really weigh in. If at years end, Carnival Games and Horsez (and other similar games) outsell MP3 and SMG, THEN the haters are spot on.

Vampyronight

What? They haven't been why would they be now?

I was expecting another jibberish thread citing something from Nintendo, but this was actually reasonably well thought out.

The only flaw I can think of is the fact that the Wii hasn't been out for very long, which makes it hard to argue either way. I mean, I want to wait until at least the end of the year and after the holiday sales have been counted before I really weigh in. If at years end, Carnival Games and Horsez (and other similar games) outsell MP3 and SMG, THEN the haters are spot on.

Vampyronight

When games fall of the top 40048573 charts, they're not coming back...

Hmm, I didn't read the OP far enough :o.

You went to make more points. That's too hard for this early in the morning.

Yeah, so, good games are selling better than crap games on the Wii.

It's refreshing.

nice post i did have a wii but only like zelda for it lol but mario galaxy and ssbb SHOULD SALE GOOD watb happened to nitendo i did lov e its games but maybe i just grew upjayymasterflex

Lets take a glance at wii's sales line up:

wiisports-8.13 mill

wiiplay-4.12 mill

zelda-3.16 mill

wario ware-1.68 mill

super paper mario-1.14 mill

red steel-1.02 mill

rayman raving rabbits- 1.01 mill

Taken straight from VGchartz. Although wiisports was bundled, wii play outsold zelda spm and wario (if you consider minigames hardcore, your choice not mine). Proably the only real hardcore games would be spm and zelda (unless you consider the party games hardcore, like i said your choice).

Wii play is more like a controller with 10 dollars worth of games that come with it.

SPM is fine, RRR is fine, and RE4 is on its way up. Zelda is good, Wario Ware was fun. I haven't tried Red Steel, but I hear it has some positives.

Lets take a glance at wii's sales line up:

Wii SportsNintendo1.873.842.428.13Wii PlayNintendo1.471.700.954.12The Legend of Zelda: Twilight PrincessNintendo0.561.811.093.46Wario Ware: Smooth MovesNintendo0.470.610.601.68Super Paper MarioNintendo0.480.660.001.14Rayman Raving RabbidsUbisoft0.020.580.421.02Red Steel

Taken straight from VGchartz. Although wiisports was bundled, wii play outsold zelda spm and wario (if you consider minigames hardcore, your choice not mine). Proably the only real hardcore games would be spm and zelda (unless you consider the party games hardcore, like i said your choice).

ganon42

Your ignorance is funny ^.^

Looks like Zelda is the best selling game if you use the best logic around, thank you for proving our point :)

Maybe I am not understanding the arguement, though here is mine...

If Wiiplay, Wiisports, Wiifit, Brain Age, Nintendogs, WarioWare become the biggest sellers why should they make Metroid or Mario? I think people are afraid that they are making a console version of Pogo.com.

Maybe I am not understanding the arguement, though here is mine...

If Wiiplay, Wiisports, Wiifit, Brain Age, Nintendogs, WarioWare become the biggest sellers why should they make Metroid or Mario? I think people are afraid that they are making a console version of Pogo.com.

Vylence

All you did was prove the point. The Wii sells like hotcakes, but has a very lackluster library of games......and all those games you showed selling bunches....ARE GARBAGE. Seriously.....this just backs the fact that no matter what kind of crap devs put on the Wii, it has potential to sell because its a casual console. Therefore, it makes devs believe they can put out more shovelware for a quick buck rather than make a ground up epic experience.

Thanks for the attempt however.

Yes but the DS fits the argument does it not? They are trying to translate what they have done with the DS on the Wii are they not?Vylence

Including Phantom Hourglass from Nintendo themselves? Even though it will only sell maybe 2/3 of Nintendogs?

Yes but the DS fits the argument does it not? They are trying to translate what they have done with the DS on the Wii are they not?Vylence

even with the ds, more big hardcore games than big "non-games" have been announced recently.

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]

I was expecting another jibberish thread citing something from Nintendo, but this was actually reasonably well thought out.

The only flaw I can think of is the fact that the Wii hasn't been out for very long, which makes it hard to argue either way. I mean, I want to wait until at least the end of the year and after the holiday sales have been counted before I really weigh in. If at years end, Carnival Games and Horsez (and other similar games) outsell MP3 and SMG, THEN the haters are spot on.

Dencore

What? They haven't been why would they be now?

What I'm saying is that the generation is young, and if the Wii really is expanding the audience, we're far too early to even begin having a factually based argument about this generation.

Here's a possibility- Nintendo expand the market. In the process, absolute garbage games begin to sell a lot more frequently. Likewise, highly praised games don't sell a lot more frequently. This would suggest that game quality is becoming less of a factor in sales, which is the precise opposite of what all gamers want.

Look, the fact is you've selectively chosen games to cite to support your case, while someone who is anti-Wii could rearrange the facts and make an argument to support their case. Of course there are great games that sell terribly and of course their are terrible games that sell great. That proves nothing. I bet if we could get sales for all games, a significant majority of the best selling games did score 8 or higher here, while a vast majority of the worst selling games scored poorly here. So long as this balance isn't shifted, then the argument from Wii-haters is null. But if we get to the end of the year and the top selling games are for example sub-5 scoring games on the Wii, then yeah, there is an argument to be made.

This is the quick and the short of it

Best Sales (nobody is kidding themselves.....Xbox 360 am passesd) + Worst Software = Bad

anyone who thinks it's ruining gaming needs a history lesson.

OMGZZZORS, ALL THE GOOD COMPANEEEEES WILL START MAKINGZ TEH CRAPPPEE WII GAMEZZZ0rs.

seriously, calm the **** down. if anything the Wii is a blessing. developers can make games in as little as 6 months to fund other projects on pricier consoles (im looking at you PS3). it's not as if they'll stop making games for other consoles -- seriously, some of you people need a wee bit more perspective.

DOA4 sold 1 million units. I'm pretty sure about that. But this still doesn't prove the point that Wii is getting more and more casual. in Gametrailers.com there's an article that says that alot of Wii exclusives in production are casuals. And we all know that casual games mean often: Mini-games!azad_champ

Now, the following lists debunk that whole argument.

Wii games published by Nintendo.

Hardcore games announced

1. Twilight Princess
2. Fire Emblem
3. Super Paper Mario
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
7. Excite Truck
8. Battalion Wars 2
9. Disaster: Day of Crisis
10. Mario Kart Wii
11. Generic Kirby game
12. Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (maybe)
13. Mario Strikers Charged




Casual games announced

1. Wii Sports
2. Wii Play
3. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
4. Mario Party 8
5. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
6. Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
7. Endless Ocean
8. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
9. Wii Fit
10. Wii Music
11. Animal Crossing Wii
12. Pokémon Battle Revolution

All you did was prove the point. The Wii sells like hotcakes, but has a very lackluster library of games......and all those games you showed selling bunches....ARE GARBAGE. Seriously.....this just backs the fact that no matter what kind of crap devs put on the Wii, it has potential to sell because its a casual console. Therefore, it makes devs believe they can put out more shovelware for a quick buck rather than make a ground up epic experience.

Thanks for the attempt however.

Uptown

That, my friend, is called an opinion. I thought they all looked really good, especially Trauma Center.

This is the quick and the short of it

Best Sales (nobody is kidding themselves.....Xbox 360 am passesd) + Worst Software = Bad

MikeE21286

Read.

Good software, like Trauma Center and Dragon Quest is selling on the Wii. Cooking Mama is not.

All you did was prove the point. The Wii sells like hotcakes, but has a very lackluster library of games......and all those games you showed selling bunches....ARE GARBAGE. Seriously.....this just backs the fact that no matter what kind of crap devs put on the Wii, it has potential to sell because its a casual console. Therefore, it makes devs believe they can put out more shovelware for a quick buck rather than make a ground up epic experience.

Thanks for the attempt however.

Uptown

Why do you guys keep ignoring the post?

"Thanks for the attempt however". Wow, real clever, maybe next time you're going to be clever, RTFP...

Btw where's nobuo? Surely even after being made to look like an idiot he'd still come back and look like an idiot again?

And...Cows are female. Idk about sheep but cows are girls. I would think they'd start calling themselves bulls.

I have spotted at least 6 posters who DID NOT READ AT ALL.out0v0rder

Also notice how no one is putting a goodagruement against the OP.

I'm sigging this thread.

Read.

Good software, like Trauma Center and Dragon Quest is selling on the Wii. Cooking Mama is not.

Eponique

Very good post, sad most people wont actually read/understand it. And there will always be bad games that sell well and good games that dont.

I think SSX Blur is a very good game, never had a problem with the controls. Hopefully EA will continue the series on Wii, but I doubt it with the abysmal sales.

But yeah overall good games sell well and bad games dont, no matter the console.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Read.

Good software, like Trauma Center and Dragon Quest is selling on the Wii. Cooking Mama is not.

Teufelhuhn

Lets take a glance at wii's sales line up:

wiisports-8.13 mill

wiiplay-4.12 mill

zelda-3.16 mill

wario ware-1.68 mill

super paper mario-1.14 mill

red steel-1.02 mill

rayman raving rabbits- 1.01 mill

Taken straight from VGchartz. Although wiisports was bundled, wii play outsold zelda spm and wario (if you consider minigames hardcore, your choice not mine). Proably the only real hardcore games would be spm and zelda (unless you consider the party games hardcore, like i said your choice).

ganon42

Umm we're talking about THIRD parties here, there's only 1 third party casual game. And besides that game not ONE third party casual game has broke 100,000 in sales while many traditional games have.

Nice try and self-owned.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Read.

Good software, like Trauma Center and Dragon Quest is selling on the Wii. Cooking Mama is not.

Teufelhuhn

Umm it sold over 150,000 copies, more then ANY third party "casual" or "mini-game" besides Rayman. Trauma Center is what you would call a "sleeper hit". Noone cares how much it sold during debut but how much it sold in total, since total sold is ALL that matters. Especially with the sheer fact that it came out on a holiday launch for new consoles. Hell there's a sequel for the Wii coming out. :| And I already prooved that third parties are selling as many broke a quarter million *that were all traditional* and some a million *with one being casual*. I even listed the games. And as for the DS so far this year there are more third party DS games selling more then hell just look at the recent sales chart in Japan where many third parties are present on both DS and Wii *with the Wii ones as top 2* any other system, so why feel to make stuff up?

And why are people ignoring my initial post like a plague?

What I'm saying is that the generation is young, and if the Wii really is expanding the audience, we're far too early to even begin having a factually based argument about this generation.

Here's a possibility- Nintendo expand the market. In the process, absolute garbage games begin to sell a lot more frequently. Likewise, highly praised games don't sell a lot more frequently. This would suggest that game quality is becoming less of a factor in sales, which is the precise opposite of what all gamers want.

Look, the fact is you've selectively chosen games to cite to support your case, while someone who is anti-Wii could rearrange the facts and make an argument to support their case. Of course there are great games that sell terribly and of course their are terrible games that sell great. That proves nothing. I bet if we could get sales for all games, a significant majority of the best selling games did score 8 or higher here, while a vast majority of the worst selling games scored poorly here. So long as this balance isn't shifted, then the argument from Wii-haters is null. But if we get to the end of the year and the top selling games are for example sub-5 scoring games on the Wii, then yeah, there is an argument to be made.

Vampyronight

First of all, all the 8.0 games sold over 100,000 so that argument doesn't hold anything. Second of all why would "our" games stop selling all of a sudden? Third of all I already said that the bad scoring games sold horribly, the only third party game that sold that good was Red Steel. Again I prooved this. The market expanded in Japan and we still see core games like Contra, Ninja Gaiden, Tales announced. Dedicated developers will always make the games they want while cash ins will always make cash-ins. If you actually like the developers that "follow the crowds" then you yourself are a casual gamer. Developers who make games for gamers don't care what sells and make what they want to make. The only thing that stops them are high development costs something the Wii is against. And finally everything you said is pure specualtion *with everything going against it* which is much more of a guess or an assumption without looking at facts. Look at the DS and sit there and tell me that their aren't core games being made anymore.

What more proof do you people want? Really now. Is it so hard to accept that these rumours started by blind fanboys aren't true?

And why are people ignoring my initial post like a plague?

Dencore

[QUOTE="Dencore"]

And why are people ignoring my initial post like a plague?

Hoffgod

Seriously their making small punts.

Ignoring what I said.

Changing the subject and making assumptions that have no base.

And are just flat out lying

Just because your console of choice isn't winning doesn't mean you have to wish for a "death future" so that others can't enjoy success. The Wii isn't going to kill gaming and it's future looks brighter then it did before with better games selling and new announcements.

Sit down. Shut up. Stop acting like a child. And get over it.

Thanks for that. What an awesome post!:D

This deserves a sticky.

[QUOTE="Dencore"]Am I the only one who reads the sales charts?

Madden - 4.46 million copies

Hannah Montana Over half a million copies

50 Cent BulletProof almost a million and a half copies

Spongebob SquarePants Super Sponge almost 2 million copies

Mario Party 5 over 2 million copies

Poke'mon Colloseum sold 2 and a half million copies *selling more then twice the amount as Revolution in Japan*

SillyManimal

It's not the sales, it's the fact that those games are garbage.

You have pretty much owned yourself.

he's pointing out that crap selling well is nothing new and does not result in less good games:?

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Read.

Good software, like Trauma Center and Dragon Quest is selling on the Wii. Cooking Mama is not.

Teufelhuhn

As far as I know, Red Steel is the second best selling game on the Wii, or at least was last time I checked.

Then again, wii's top selling game is WIIPLAY (behind wiisports, the bundled one).ganon42

its bundled with a controller:? of course it will sell.

btw the two best games on the system are the highest selling. Paper and zelda.

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

NobuoMusicMaker

I've never seen so many fanboys cry so much over one console dominating and you're at the frontline, filling up gallon jugs with your tears.

Seriously, you're acting like a bitter ex-girlfriend whose pissed off that she got dumped and is now trying to justify her existence by hating on her ex's new girl. Get over it already.

[QUOTE="Dencore"]Am I the only one who reads the sales charts?

Madden - 4.46 million copies

Hannah Montana Over half a million copies

50 Cent BulletProof almost a million and a half copies

Spongebob SquarePants Super Sponge almost 2 million copies

Mario Party 5 over 2 million copies

Poke'mon Colloseum sold 2 and a half million copies *selling more then twice the amount as Revolution in Japan*

SillyManimal

It's not the sales, it's the fact that those games are garbage.

You have pretty much owned yourself.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Read.

Good software, like Trauma Center and Dragon Quest is selling on the Wii. Cooking Mama is not.

Teufelhuhn