Wii is to consoles as RAP is to music

That's the most hypocrital bit of garbage I've ever read.

The WII is casualizing gaming? I'm sorry, but gaming was already casualized a long time ago, when Sony introduced the PSOne. They brought in difference audiences, namely the casual audience. If you want to blame the Wii, remember this: Sony was the one who casualized the market to begin with.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This is just sad, pathetic even. Fine. It's clear to me that you're so blind by your own perceptions of rap that you're never going to change. You can continue to spout off about rap being the worst form of music if you'd like, but given your limited understanding of the art form, you'll just continue tohave no idea what you're talking about. But that's okay, I'll justleave you to wallow in your own closed minded ignorance.

The_Game21x

First off you entered this concersation out of context, would you like to explain to me why people study music, if it´s all opinion based, or maybe explain why rap in general is good? What is it exactly that makes it good? The singing?(or lack of) The beat down message(which is pretty much the only thing that is opinion in music), The intrumental?(yay pc samples ftw) what makes it good muscially?

Music can illicitcertainfeelings from people. People study music and determine what feelings it illicits and dissects the track from there on. There are cerrtainly other factors and variables in music study, but this is one of the main recurring themes. Rap music is no different. It can illicit feelings from someone as well as any other genre of music. The lyrics in combination with the music behind it can bring about significant emotional response.

There is no singing in rap, but then again, there doesn't have to be. A skilled lyricist can write and say their lines to the beat, timing their words precisely with the tempo to make thingls flow smoothly, to the point where there is no disconnect between the music and the lyrics.

You say the message is always the same and spout off generic themes that permeate mainstream rap. Well, I'll give you that one. Mainstream rap is often tied down by the same generic themes you mentioned. BUT, if you go beneath the surface to the underground, old school and true hip hop, you don't find these repetitive themes. What you find are real lyricits with real messages to say. it is here that you find deep messages, well thought out rhymes, and often well done storytelling. Rappers can tell a story or convey a message just as well as any rocker can. If you really listened to rap, you'd know this.

Again, you say rappers always sample other tracks. Well, some do, and most don't. The majority of tracks use entirely original beats. If you listen closely, they are just as deep and well formed as any other form of music. hell, even some of the sampled tracks improve on the original, adapting them to a new style, and work wonders. The sound quality is great, but only if you really listen for it.

These are allvalid reasons why Rap is good musically. As I stated before (in a post you conveniently ignored by the way) there is no such thing as good or bad music. It's all based on perception, that's why it's opinion based. The feelings a certain song illicits from you is universal, but the song itself isn't. There are songs I flat out despise that others like. Does that mean that they're bad musically? No. That's just my perception. How is your opinion on rap music somehow better than mine on this issue? Bottom line is, it isn't. Rap isn't worsethan any other genre of music, no matterhow bad you think it is.

There are good things in rap I know this, but I´m not passing off opinions of music as fact, I´m asking for facts. You stated a couple of good things about rap, the one thing I do like about it is it´s a diferent way to tell a story, but that doesn´t change the fact that musically it´s weak, there is hardly any musical work in these rap songs, ofc there are exceptions, but the common ground for rap is, a pc sample which in my opion is like cheating on the instrumental, it´s weak, they should pull out instruments and do that themselves(I´m sure some do) most don´t, they should sing more instead of just "rap"(again I know some do, most don´t), they should change their friggen theme(same as the others) and they should just take out the stupid yo yo slang which is just stupid. Mars volta has slang for ex: the invented sort of a new language that´s being creative saying yo yo here it comes check this out in every single song I here is really very repetitive and old. On a muscial note rap in general is weak, on a creative note you get some very creative rappers talking about stuff that don´t get talked about a lot in very original ways, but it´s very rare is it not?

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I heard a couple of minutes of the song you linked and I´ve heard that same song over and over again for the last 10 years. Nothing new there. There is no point in argueing the color of a wall with blind men, you guys want to think you have it right I don´t care, there are already so many of you, another one or 2 is fine with me.

Here are some of my personal favorite artists, try to watch these videos and tell me they don´t have musical quality and rap is more complex or more complete or whatever.

Jeff Buckley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiXoWEtCVes

Tool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglVqACd1C8

Thom Yorke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1nFB-R-_gI

Radiohead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LeLAELIxKY

Eddie-Vedder

Your a lost cause, go listen to your yo yo I´m discriminated so I´m foreced to rob people and look down at everyone cause I´m the bling bling man, yo yo I´m top dog I screw everyones girlfirend but I´m so discriminated... You sad and you make me sad to know how many of you there actually are in this world.

This is just sad, pathetic even. Fine. It's clear to me that you're so blind by your own perceptions of rap that you're never going to change. You can continue to spout off about rap being the worst form of music if you'd like, but given your limited understanding of the art form, you'll just continue tohave no idea what you're talking about. But that's okay, I'll justleave you to wallow in your own closed minded ignorance.

First off you entered this concersation out of context, would you like to explain to me why people study music, if it´s all opinion based, or maybe explain why rap in general is good? What is it exactly that makes it good? The singing?(or lack of) The beat down message(which is pretty much the only thing that is opinion in music), The intrumental?(yay pc samples ftw) what makes it good muscially?

Fine lol, the instrumental is just a pc sample played in loop, no skill required whatsoever, the lyrics talk about the same thing all the other rap songs talk about am I wrong? Surviving, robbing killing to survive, they have there "corner" which is there little home, original... The song has the most basic of structures, verse chorus verse chorus, that isn´t even so much of a bad thing the problem is the song satys the same all through the 4min the only change is the person singing(rapping), not once through the whole song do you see something musically impressive, the only thing that can be argued as worked on is the lyrics which sincerly are really just the same thing all the other songs say change a rime here and there, add a yo here and a check this out there. It´s fine to like it man, just don´t try to pass it off as a musical wonder. Am I wrong? Relating to something, or just liking it not knowing why is fine, just don´t tell me that that song is of immense muscial quality. Even in the creative department they get a minus score, your honestly going to tell me that you´ve never heard a rap song like this one? I don´t even listen to rap and I bet in an hour aaI could find a dozen of the same type of songs.

Oh and there is skill in rap, you write just one verse rap it and you will suck. I can gurantee it.

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

lukemorgan21

Right becauseother genres are just so perfect without any problems. :roll:

Maybe you should take a history lesson, but it's natural for genres of music to be hated. Maybe you didn't know, but Rock and Jazz were considered the "poison of society's youth" once, just as well as Rap is today. Didn't mean to go off topic, but I hate it how people act like Rap is the only genre that's been considered bad in history.

By the way, if the Wii is equal to the Wu Tang Clan, I have no complaints. :D

[QUOTE="lukemorgan21"]

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

Vandalvideo

Yes but how many popular mc's sound like that?

Verse chorus verse chorus? sounds like a rock song. Just add a few riffs.

As for all rap being the same subject matter. That's just ignorance (as I said the song wasn't the best to post but I cbf'd looking for a better one and you're educated so find one yourself).Foolz3h

Your right about most rock songs also being verse chorus verse chorus, but it´s still a bit diferent, rocks tends not to be 10 seconds of music looped for 4min and almost always have what I´ll call a "diferent" part to the song that usually comes after the second chorus. The song you showed me the chorus was the same as the verse and so on. I just want to get it through that musical quality is not opion based plz try to understand this, it exsists, it´s not just I like it it´s good, and in general most rap is weak musically. With ofc some exceptions. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t listen to it, I listen to what I consider as bad music sometimes, cause I´m just in the mood for it.

You are right rap does require some skill but rock requires much more. You have to know how to wright songs, sing, play an instrument, play coordinated with the rest of the instruments, you also need your timing on the spot or it´s all going to sound extremely messy. Just putting lyrics on paper and singing them to a heavy beat which makes timing much easier doesn´t require as much skill as you think, give me a proper rap voice(I´m a white kid lol) and some lyrics(ofc I don´t know how to make rap lyrics it´s not my thing) and it´s not that hard.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lukemorgan21"]

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

lukemorgan21

Yes but how many popular mc's sound like that?

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Verse chorus verse chorus? sounds like a rock song. Just add a few riffs.

As for all rap being the same subject matter. That's just ignorance (as I said the song wasn't the best to post but I cbf'd looking for a better one and you're educated so find one yourself).Eddie-Vedder

Your right about most rock songs also being verse chorus verse chorus, but it´s still a bit diferent, rocks tends not to be 10 seconds of music looped for 4min and almost always have what I´ll call a "diferent" part to the song that usually comes after the second chorus. The song you showed me the chorus was the same as the verse and so on. I just want to get it through that musical quality is not opion based plz try to understand this, it exsists, it´s not just I like it it´s good, and in general most rap is weak musically. With ofc some exceptions. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t listen to it, I listen to what I consider as bad music sometimes, cause I´m just in the mood for it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lukemorgan21"]

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

lukemorgan21

Yes but how many popular mc's sound like that?

Does it matter? Not all popular MC's are popular because they're good. Casual rap fans like to hear the kind of crap illustrated above. People who really appreciate rap do not.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Verse chorus verse chorus? sounds like a rock song. Just add a few riffs.

As for all rap being the same subject matter. That's just ignorance (as I said the song wasn't the best to post but I cbf'd looking for a better one and you're educated so find one yourself).Foolz3h

Your right about most rock songs also being verse chorus verse chorus, but it´s still a bit diferent, rocks tends not to be 10 seconds of music looped for 4min and almost always have what I´ll call a "diferent" part to the song that usually comes after the second chorus. The song you showed me the chorus was the same as the verse and so on. I just want to get it through that musical quality is not opion based plz try to understand this, it exsists, it´s not just I like it it´s good, and in general most rap is weak musically. With ofc some exceptions. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t listen to it, I listen to what I consider as bad music sometimes, cause I´m just in the mood for it.

ahh ok. I really don´t know aht to say, I´ve tried to explain my point of view every way I can, all I get from you is personal attacks. Have it your way.

Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|Ninja-Vox

I hope that wasn´t directed at me, I have used facts, compared styles, given examples, analyzed songs suggested from people in this thread to get my point of view out here.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|Eddie-Vedder

I hope that wasn´t directed at me, I have used facts, compared styles, given examples, analyzed songs suggested from people in this thread to get my point of view out here.

[QUOTE="lukemorgan21"]

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="lukemorgan21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lukemorgan21"]

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

The_Game21x

Yes but how many popular mc's sound like that?

Does it matter? Not all popular MC's are popular because they're good. Casual rap fans like to hear the kind of crap illustrated above. People who really appreciate rap do not.

Well just so everyone knows, the topic creator meant popular rap. casual rap. so imo his statement about POPULAR RAP is the truth. as far as this rap that i've personally never heard that doesnt kill brain cells every second you listen to it. I guess the statement is untrue, in that matter.

Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|Ninja-Vox

It isn't aimed at any specific person. It is aimed at those who'd say "rap music is rubbish" or something similar. Ignorance at its finest, that much is indisputable.

Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="lukemorgan21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lukemorgan21"]

he has a point about rap music.

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

That in no way is art, no matter what you say, that is someone with a pure lack of intelligence making money off of a catchy beat.

lol thats only half a verse too.

as far as the wii goes...its alright i guess. better than rap imo.

lukemorgan21

Yes but how many popular mc's sound like that?

Does it matter? Not all popular MC's are popular because they're good. Casual rap fans like to hear the kind of crap illustrated above. People who really appreciate rap do not.

Well just so everyone knows, the topic creator meant popular rap. casual rap. so imo his statement about POPULAR RAP is the truth. as far as this rap that i've personally never heard that doesnt kill brain cells every second you listen to it. I guess the statement is untrue, in that matter.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|Vandalvideo

I hope that wasn´t directed at me, I have used facts, compared styles, given examples, analyzed songs suggested from people in this thread to get my point of view out here.

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|XanaduTheBand

I didn't even mention race. Nice going though, missing the point to such an extent as that. :|

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

Eddie-Vedder

Annihilation imminant:

Do you not understand howwrong that is? I guarantee you don't know any rap beyond what shows up on mtv2 and other mainstream popular media. your statements are ones of ignorance, and until you actually prove you've listened to anything other than 50 cent or chingy, then you wont be taken seriously. If you can actually say that you believe the roots, a rap band that plays instruments, have no musical talent or song writing ability, then I dont know what to say. But you've probably never heard of the roots since you've written off the genre as a whole.

Music IS opinion based. That's the central pillar on which it rests.

I like rap music, but i hate the wii....

/thread

Okay so everyone agrees that there is good rap and bad rap correct?

Well there is good and bad of everything including videogames but since when did we start judging things based off the crap and not the best it has to offer? The majority of everything popular is crap but that doesn't diminish that there is high quality offerings to it as well. Take video games for instance....

[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Those who blindly hate rap music are the future bigots of this world, sadly. :|Ninja-Vox

I didn't even mention race. Nice going though, missing the point to such an extent as that. :|

Look all you ppl that dont like Rap its cool to me i just dont know how rappers can go 5 times Plat on their first and second and following albums... its a proven fact that ppl that bash rap are (usually) racist Biggits that dont like black ppl or ppl of color its cool to me. you listen to ur Classical music or country ECT..im not gonna bash ur geners just like you bash mine its ok cause ppl that dont like Black ppl always gotta find ways to hate on us including now our music so all you ppl that listen to rap dont pay attention to these ppl cause they are Blind Rockers countny fanboys... its cool like what you like and hate what you hate just dont try to bash someone elses Music and rap is a form of poetry created by black ppl for Black ppl if you dont like it thats ur prob this is system wars not music wars go to off topic and bash rap if you must cause obviously you are blind to say that rap or as well as any form of music doent take any skill no matter what you say in a rhyme cause if rap was that easy everyone in SW would me multi platinum selling artists.

/THREAD

Eubanks360

wow. people may be racist, but YOU are prejudice.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

Ninja-Vox

Annihilation imminant:

Do you not understand howwrong that is? I guarantee you don't know any rap beyond what shows up on mtv2 and other mainstream popular media. your statements are ones of ignorance, and until you actually prove you've listened to anything other than 50 cent or chingy, then you wont be taken seriously. If you can actually say that you believe the roots, a rap band that plays instruments, have no musical talent or song writing ability, then I dont know what to say. But you've probably never heard of the roots since you've written off the genre as a whole.

Music IS opinion based. That's the central pillar on which it rests.

Nice response. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

Ninja-Vox

Annihilation imminant:

Do you not understand howwrong that is? I guarantee you don't know any rap beyond what shows up on mtv2 and other mainstream popular media. your statements are ones of ignorance, and until you actually prove you've listened to anything other than 50 cent or chingy, then you wont be taken seriously. If you can actually say that you believe the roots, a rap band that plays instruments, have no musical talent or song writing ability, then I dont know what to say. But you've probably never heard of the roots since you've written off the genre as a whole.

Music IS opinion based. That's the central pillar on which it rests.

Well on some technical levels it can be argued that you didn't but the use of the word bigot, especially within todays vernacular and common usage implies that a bigot is one who has a prejudice against a race. If you didn't mean it that way then feel free to read my 1st couple posts on the 1st page where I say that some rap is good but most of it is garbage. Regardless, I still stand by my point for people who feel that way.XanaduTheBand

You cleary missed the point completely. I said people who make broad sweeping statements like "most rap is garbage" are the sort of people to grow up to be bigots. If you confuse a bigot with a racist, that's your fault, not mine. Regardless of "vernacular" you missed the point entirely and went off on some rant which had nothing remotely to do with what was being said. Simple as that.

As for your other "point", most rap is not garbage. The stuff you hear on MTV is garbage. But again, it's hardly my fault you cant expose yourself to any culture outside of MTV. If you hear that and then decide to write off a whole genre, that's your fault. Not mine.

[QUOTE="Eubanks360"]

Look all you ppl that dont like Rap its cool to me i just dont know how rappers can go 5 times Plat on their first and second and following albums... its a proven fact that ppl that bash rap are (usually) racist Biggits that dont like black ppl or ppl of color its cool to me. you listen to ur Classical music or country ECT..im not gonna bash ur geners just like you bash mine its ok cause ppl that dont like Black ppl always gotta find ways to hate on us including now our music so all you ppl that listen to rap dont pay attention to these ppl cause they are Blind Rockers countny fanboys... its cool like what you like and hate what you hate just dont try to bash someone elses Music and rap is a form of poetry created by black ppl for Black ppl if you dont like it thats ur prob this is system wars not music wars go to off topic and bash rap if you must cause obviously you are blind to say that rap or as well as any form of music doent take any skill no matter what you say in a rhyme cause if rap was that easy everyone in SW would me multi platinum selling artists.

/THREAD

out0v0rder

wow. people may be racist, but YOU are prejudice.

oh god here we go. people are making it a color thing. popular rap is CRAP. exhibit A,

lyrics from the song "wipe me down" by lil boosie

Black shades so you know a n**** rollin they ain't check me at the door so ain't no tellin what im holdin (wipe me down)
bad b***** they gon bust it wide open n***** flashin they lil bread but im the n**** they approachin (wipe me down)
Small n**** tall figures yall n**** crowd n***** we gon get mac elevens and dawg n***** (wipe me down)
Yall n***** call n***** but my n**** all killas get ya issue and whoever fall wit ya.

whether you are white black purple or turqoise. if youlike that...i feel bad for you.

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Verse chorus verse chorus? sounds like a rock song. Just add a few riffs.

As for all rap being the same subject matter. That's just ignorance (as I said the song wasn't the best to post but I cbf'd looking for a better one and you're educated so find one yourself).Eddie-Vedder

Your right about most rock songs also being verse chorus verse chorus, but it´s still a bit diferent, rocks tends not to be 10 seconds of music looped for 4min and almost always have what I´ll call a "diferent" part to the song that usually comes after the second chorus. The song you showed me the chorus was the same as the verse and so on. I just want to get it through that musical quality is not opion based plz try to understand this, it exsists, it´s not just I like it it´s good, and in general most rap is weak musically. With ofc some exceptions. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t listen to it, I listen to what I consider as bad music sometimes, cause I´m just in the mood for it.

ahh ok. I really don´t know aht to say, I´ve tried to explain my point of view every way I can, all I get from you is personal attacks. Have it your way.

Sorry mate, Let's just agree to disagree?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

Episode_Eve

Annihilation imminant:

Do you not understand howwrong that is? I guarantee you don't know any rap beyond what shows up on mtv2 and other mainstream popular media. your statements are ones of ignorance, and until you actually prove you've listened to anything other than 50 cent or chingy, then you wont be taken seriously. If you can actually say that you believe the roots, a rap band that plays instruments, have no musical talent or song writing ability, then I dont know what to say. But you've probably never heard of the roots since you've written off the genre as a whole.

Music IS opinion based. That's the central pillar on which it rests.

Nice response. Took the words right out of my mouth.

I´ve talked about these bands already, there are talented rap bands, but in general they suck, damn guys how many times do I have to get into this, So you have the roots a talneted rap band, and then you have a thousand others that are very weak musically, why should I make my point based on one or 2 bands? Ofc I was generilizing, but I wasn´t talking about mtv bands either those aren´t even worth mentioning. music is opinion based musical quality isn´t you proved that by talking about the roots to defend rap. Most of it is weak msucially, some isn´t most is, try to put it into a %. What % of rap bands do you think has a very strong musical side, lyrically, instrumentally, creativity and so on? 1% 2%? Ofc I´m talking about the 98%.

Okay so everyone agrees that there is good rap and bad rap correct?

Well there is good and bad of everything including videogames but since when did we start judging things based off the crap and not the best it has to offer? The majority of everything popular is crap but that doesn't diminish that there is high quality offerings to it as well. Take video games for instance....

Blackbond

Exactly. I'm not saying that there aren't bad aspects to rap, but saying the genre as a whole is terrible or muscally weak is pure BS in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Verse chorus verse chorus? sounds like a rock song. Just add a few riffs.

As for all rap being the same subject matter. That's just ignorance (as I said the song wasn't the best to post but I cbf'd looking for a better one and you're educated so find one yourself).Foolz3h

Your right about most rock songs also being verse chorus verse chorus, but it´s still a bit diferent, rocks tends not to be 10 seconds of music looped for 4min and almost always have what I´ll call a "diferent" part to the song that usually comes after the second chorus. The song you showed me the chorus was the same as the verse and so on. I just want to get it through that musical quality is not opion based plz try to understand this, it exsists, it´s not just I like it it´s good, and in general most rap is weak musically. With ofc some exceptions. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t listen to it, I listen to what I consider as bad music sometimes, cause I´m just in the mood for it.

ahh ok. I really don´t know aht to say, I´ve tried to explain my point of view every way I can, all I get from you is personal attacks. Have it your way.

apology accepted, I return the apology and yes we agree to disagree =)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

XanaduTheBand

Annihilation imminant:

Do you not understand howwrong that is? I guarantee you don't know any rap beyond what shows up on mtv2 and other mainstream popular media. your statements are ones of ignorance, and until you actually prove you've listened to anything other than 50 cent or chingy, then you wont be taken seriously. If you can actually say that you believe the roots, a rap band that plays instruments, have no musical talent or song writing ability, then I dont know what to say. But you've probably never heard of the roots since you've written off the genre as a whole.

Music IS opinion based. That's the central pillar on which it rests.

And the point is based mostly off of you're opinon. Right? I think that the Wii itself is an awesome system. But then you have devs that put sorry ports and haf-assed games on it (which is well on it's way to changing). Then you have rap that is an artform (form of poetry if you will) and there are amazingly talented rappers/groups, and some bad.

Both can be called platforms for content to be created. It's not a fact that the Wii and/or the majority of rap is "crap". Just your knowledge and experience with the respective subjects are "crap".

I just don't get these forums.....
Im positive this thread has been referred to the mods at least 10 times. Yet it still goes on for pages and pages...

Meanwhile, all of my topics get locked within 2 mins,and theres no rascisim either.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Rap can be much much more thought provoking than screamo and country. Thats for **** sure.The_Game21x

I agree wholeheartedly.

lmao. he said screamo. That is the funniest thing I've heard here.

Rap is garbage. Metal and Rock and Roll is where real music is. I mean rap artists play no instroments and make money. They have no talent what so ever. They only sound good with machines they use to digitaly enhance their voice. Have you ever heard a rap artist live? They sound horrible! :lol:Star67

sigh...I can only hope you grow into a better person, and stride to seek knowledge from within.

I´ve talked about these bands already, there are talented rap bands, but in general they suck, damn guys how many times do I have to get into this, So you have the roots a talneted rap band, and then you have a thousand others that are very weak musically, why should I make my point based on one or 2 bands? Ofc I was generilizing, but I wasn´t talking about mtv bands either those aren´t even worth mentioning. music is opinion based musical quality isn´t you proved that by talking about the roots to defend rap. Most of it is weak msucially, some isn´t most is, try to put it into a %. What % of rap bands do you think has a very strong musical side, lyrically, instrumentally, creativity and so on? 1% 2%? Ofc I´m talking about the 98%.

Eddie-Vedder

Is that not the same for every genre? Are you really that ignorant? How can you know a thing about how many quality rap acts there are if by your own admission you dont like it? You dont follow it, so how on earth do you know? Yet you seem to have phD knowledge in the ratio of good to bad rap bands.

Why? Because you watch MTV, that's why. You see 50cent yelling about gangstaz and think "rap sucks." Then i tell you about the roots or J5 who you've never hear of and they MUST be one in a million, right? Because you've totally never heard of them. Why? Because you watch MTV.

"Most of rap is weak musically". No, most of the crap you've exposed yourself to is. Just because you lack the ability to broaden what culture you're exposed to does not make those rediculous views facts.

Rap is garbage. Metal and Rock and Roll is where real music is. I mean rap artists play no instroments and make money. They have no talent what so ever. They only sound good with machines they use to digitaly enhance their voice. Have you ever heard a rap artist live? They sound horrible! :lol:Star67

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No :|

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I know but the only point I have been fighting in this thread to make is that, musical quality isn´t opinion based, and rap in general as a whole even if it has kick @ss lyrics is usually very weak musically. I just got very irritated when someone said that it was all opinion, it´s not, preference is opinion based not musical quality. It bugs me that today´s art is going down this opinion path, there will no longer be good or bad music just music you like or don´t, that pisses me off. I know some rap is good, I have hear good rap even good portuguese rap that´s where I´m from, that quite honestly was much better then most of the crap I hear over the radio or on mtv but rap is sort of like trance it has it´s flaws and it´s strenghs, but if you look at it objectively musically it isn´t very well though out.

Eddie-Vedder

Annihilation imminant:

Do you not understand howwrong that is? I guarantee you don't know any rap beyond what shows up on mtv2 and other mainstream popular media. your statements are ones of ignorance, and until you actually prove you've listened to anything other than 50 cent or chingy, then you wont be taken seriously. If you can actually say that you believe the roots, a rap band that plays instruments, have no musical talent or song writing ability, then I dont know what to say. But you've probably never heard of the roots since you've written off the genre as a whole.

Music IS opinion based. That's the central pillar on which it rests.

Nice response. Took the words right out of my mouth.

I´ve talked about these bands already, there are talented rap bands, but in general they suck, damn guys how many times do I have to get into this, So you have the roots a talneted rap band, and then you have a thousand others that are very weak musically, why should I make my point based on one or 2 bands? Ofc I was generilizing, but I wasn´t talking about mtv bands either those aren´t even worth mentioning. music is opinion based musical quality isn´t you proved that by talking about the roots to defend rap. Most of it is weak msucially, some isn´t most is, try to put it into a %. What % of rap bands do you think has a very strong musical side, lyrically, instrumentally, creativity and so on? 1% 2%? Ofc I´m talking about the 98%.

Umm...bands aren't the only vehicle for hip-hop artists to make music. As a whole: bands, electronic producing, raping, etc. Hip-hop is a genre of good sounding music. I don't know a whole lot of rap bands, but hip-hop as a music is good period (that's my opinion).