Wii --- So how exactly is it ruining gaming?

I've had my share of making fun of Wii and its horrible 3rd party titles. But honestly...how is it ruining gaming exactly? Bad graphics? Well, that argument makes no sense. If you going to go down that route, then you can say all the Gameboys have ruined gaming. And DS also, since the graphics aren't nearly as good as PSP. The graphics argument makes no sense. Ok, poor 3rd party titles? Yeah, Wii has a fair share of those, but so did PS1 and PS2. No one ever said that PS2 was ruining gaming...

And then, what is left? The controller? Nintendo has usually innovated the industry with its controllers. Not sure why this would be any different.

The only real argument left is the crappy friends codes. But that is hardly a huge problem...

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

-General_Ram-

I think you mean that "the Wii is ruining the image that games are specifically geared for the hardcore".

People say the wii is ruining gaming because it seems that there is more money in casual gaming and that devs. are eventually going to abandon them, all next gen systems will be underpowered and aimed towards the casuals blablabla

i dont think thats the case because i think sony and ms know there place, that going casual just isnt going to pan out for them, their consumer is the hardcore as much as MS doesnt wanna admit it and i highly doubt they will go the wii route next gen.

[QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

Holy_Phoenix

I think you mean that "the Wii is ruining the image that games are specifically geared for the hardcore".

no, i meant what i said. With the WIi phiolsophy taking popularity, expect less games with high difficulty that arent accessible easily (Ninja Gaiden or oldschool megaman games come to mind).

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

although i dont plan on getting a wii,i dont bash it..its something different,and i can understand the appeal.its good to have options.and the people who bash it constantly are lame...ya know,maybe not everyone wants to play gears of war or sit there with a paddle laying in hands and stare at 45 minutes of cutscenes and cheesy plot twists...?

btw...i dont see sam and max season 1 being ported to the 360 or ps3.

Nintendo is trying to expand the market, getting people more interested in gaming. People just assume that they're trying to sell games to casuals, and then leave it at that. However, Nintendo realizes that casuals are not a sustaining market, and they need to draw them in.

My mom is the perfect example. About 12 years ago we got our first computer. My mom started spending time playing card games, not just your regular solitair, but a game called The Real Deal with better graphics and lots of different games and skill levels. About a year later, she started playing Tetris. After that she got drawn into Timone and Pumba's Jungle games, then receded a bit until she discovered Bejewelled. After playing games like Bejewelled, Zuma, and Cubix online for a few years I decided the time was ripe to get her Brain Age. That was the biggest mistake I ever made, because then she started stealing my D.S., and wouldn't give it back. Eventually, I got her her own D.S., and by this time she had slowed down on Brain Age, but had started playing the Sudoku on their, something she had no interest in before. She started complaining that she was running out of Sudoku puzzles, so I bought her Brain Age 2. She quickly discovered the Virus Buster game and became hooked. Just last June I bought her Dr. Mario Rx for the Wii, and only now, just a few days ago I've got her enjoying New Super Mario Bros.

My mom is the sort of person that Nintendo is ultimately trying to target. In about a decade, she moved from computer Solitair and Minesweeper to New Super Mario Bros.

With far more engaging, yet equally interesting, games like Wii-Fit or Wii-Sports, Nintendo is attempting to take that long period of transition and guide people up to hardcore in only a few years.

This is what people don't understand.

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

-General_Ram-

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

[QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

insanejedi

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

ah....but u forget, Wii isnt the only console.

As Wii broadens the industry, itll carry 360 and PS3 with it. Games like Assassins Creed, Bioshock, etc. will do their part.

[QUOTE="Holy_Phoenix"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

-General_Ram-

I think you mean that "the Wii is ruining the image that games are specifically geared for the hardcore".

no, i meant what i said. With the WIi phiolsophy taking popularity, expect less games with high difficulty that arent accessible easily (Ninja Gaiden or oldschool megaman games come to mind).

Compare the number of games a casual buys per year to the number of games a hardcore buys per year.

Trust me, selling only to casuals doesn't work. Did Nintendo ever say the were trying to find new markets? No, they're constant refrain is "Market Expansion."

[QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

insanejedi

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

Do Rob Schneider films prevent films from being viewed as art?

What about Metallica albums preventing music from being viewed as art?

How about Anne Rice books preventing literature from being viewed as art?

Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

mattbbpl

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

Do Rob Schneider films prevent films from being viewed as art?

What about Metallica albums preventing music from being viewed as art?

How about Anne Rice books preventing literature from being viewed as art?

Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

wow...someone on SW that isnt a complete douche.

well said sir

This is what arguments that the Wii is ruining gaming boil down to:

It ruins it because people unlike me are now gamers and i'm frightened by change...

Or I only like games because I thought they weren't popular. Now that they are I hate gaming and its dying.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

Cocacolacowboy

wow...someone on SW that isnt a complete douche.

well said sir

How is that not douche confirmed?

It's not. It's expanding the industry, and that's a very important thing. Fanboys are just affraid of its successBuryMe

It's expanding the industry for the good of gaming or for the bad?

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

mattbbpl

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

Do Rob Schneider films prevent films from being viewed as art?

What about Metallica albums preventing music from being viewed as art?

How about Anne Rice books preventing literature from being viewed as art?

Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

No, but Music, Movies, and books had literally centuries to prove that they were art. If I go out and ask someone is Movies/music/books as art, they would say a definate yes because the first thing that comes off of their minds Schindlers List/Godfather/Mozart/Bach/Beethoven/Ann Frank/Life Of Pi/Great Gatsby. Not Rambo or Hanna Montana, or whatever lame book that is tasteless and has no point to it. What I want is something that has been done to other mediums that took centuries, and do it in decades or less. For that we have to be more agressive, and you get blips here and their with games but there hasn't been a game that blew open the doors yet for people other than Grand Theft Auto 4 but you don't see people talking about the story of that. We were getting somewhere with the Xbox360 and still are in some respects, but that machine is no longer the industry leader to say and everyone can't stop playing Wii sports and eventually that's what people are going to image when you say video games.

If you want that direction, sure go ahead but that direction is not going to make video games budge in the buisness of art.

I've had my share of making fun of Wii and its horrible 3rd party titles. But honestly...how is it ruining gaming exactly? Bad graphics? Well, that argument makes no sense. If you going to go down that route, then you can say all the Gameboys have ruined gaming. And DS also, since the graphics aren't nearly as good as PSP. The graphics argument makes no sense. Ok, poor 3rd party titles? Yeah, Wii has a fair share of those, but so did PS1 and PS2. No one ever said that PS2 was ruining gaming...

And then, what is left? The controller? Nintendo has usually innovated the industry with its controllers. Not sure why this would be any different.

The only real argument left is the crappy friends codes. But that is hardly a huge problem...

AvIdGaMeR444

I don't think you realize how much shovelware is on the Wii vs. how much was on the PS2/PSone for you to compare. GameInformer and EGM actually took the time to explain it in great detail, it was rather informative.

Anyways, the Wii is growing the industry, because once these NONgamers "Graduate", they will want a 360/PS3.

The Problem with "Selling out" whether you are a Band, Book, Artist, or Nintendo, is people will mock you. THe Hardcores that have supported Nintendo all this time get ZERO Wii games from Nintendo this holliday. It's rough for them, and surprising for the rest of us. My Wii just collects dust and has been unplayed for over 7 months. Luckily, there's a few games NOT MADE by Nintendo I have my eye on, but they may just be rentals. No sure fire GEOW/LBP/Resistance2/Fable 2 type killer games I'm excited for. I am not alone.

It used to be Wii60 FTW! Sadly, that PETER MOORE PR CREATED mantra was killed by Nintendo. It's far better to have PS360, or all three with Nintendo's new Non-gaming direction.

This is what arguments that the Wii is ruining gaming boil down to:

It ruins it because people unlike me are now gamers and i'm frightened by change...

Or I only like games because I thought they weren't popular. Now that they are I hate gaming and its dying.

[QUOTE="Cocacolacowboy"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

Senor_Kami

wow...someone on SW that isnt a complete douche.

well said sir

How is that not douche confirmed?

i didnt see that part...but still..he has a point..just because a aspect of something has mass appeal..and appeals to more casual people,dont mean it will ruin everything else.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

insanejedi

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

Do Rob Schneider films prevent films from being viewed as art?

What about Metallica albums preventing music from being viewed as art?

How about Anne Rice books preventing literature from being viewed as art?

Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

No, but Music, Movies, and books had literally centuries to prove that they were art. If I go out and ask someone is Movies/music/books as art, they would say a definate yes because the first thing that comes off of their minds Schindlers List/Godfather/Mozart/Bach/Beethoven/Ann Frank/Life Of Pi/Great Gatsby. Not Rambo or Hanna Montana, or whatever lame book that is tasteless and has no point to it. What I want is something that has been done to other mediums that took centuries, and do it in decades or less. For that we have to be more agressive, and you get blips here and their with games but there hasn't been a game that blew open the doors yet for people other than Grand Theft Auto 4 but you don't see people talking about the story of that. We were getting somewhere with the Xbox360 and still are in some respects, but that machine is no longer the industry leader to say and everyone can't stop playing Wii sports and eventually that's what people are going to image when you say video games.

If you want that direction, sure go ahead but that direction is not going to make video games budge in the buisness of art.

Those mediums underwent the same growing pains is, but the lack of casual games won't help it get through them any faster. It has nothing to do with the quality of what's coming out but acceptance of the medium.

And I think you're wrong. When the average Joe thinks of movies/music off the top of his head I'd bet money that most of them think of Spiderman and Metallica (current high popularity examples) over Schindler's list and Bach.

Basically, if you want gaming to avoid those growing pains quickly, you need exposure. Not a small quantity of high quality titles that a niche audience will experience.

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

Fawlcon_Pawnch

No, it's the Wii.

This is what arguments that the Wii is ruining gaming boil down to:

It ruins it because people unlike me are now gamers and i'm frightened by change...

Or I only like games because I thought they weren't popular. Now that they are I hate gaming and its dying.

[QUOTE="Cocacolacowboy"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

Senor_Kami

wow...someone on SW that isnt a complete douche.

well said sir

How is that not douche confirmed?

Eh, I didn't mean to be rude. I tried to express my thought as concisely as possible. I was more concerned with avoiding more meanspirited terms.

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

XenogearsMaster

No, it's the Wii.

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

It's not just a single aspect that the Wii is considered to be ruining gaming. It's the whole package. It's just one big disppointing console that has no redeeming qualities, it's a console made and designed to people that like inferior games. Wii exists because of non gamers and partially casual gamers. Nintendo was only thinking of these types of people when they made the Wii. Real gamers. No. The very fact that an inferior console is selling so well perfectly justifies people saying Wii ruins gaming.

Wii will lead the gaming industry into ruin.

The only people who say the Wii is ruining gaming are:

A) Stupid fanboys

B) People who don't want the gaming industry to change

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

XenogearsMaster

No, it's the Wii.

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

Oh SNAP, the fanboy brigade just arrived

The only people who say the Wii is ruining gaming are:

A) Stupid fanboys

B) People who don't want the gaming industry to change

dream431ca

If by change you mean making it worse then yes I don't want it to change.

Fanboys need to realize they're in the minority.

The rest of the world doesn't even debate silly things like this.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

SolidTy

No, it's the Wii.

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

Nintendo clearly sold out... despite the fact that the Wii has had more Core Nintendo games then the GC did at this time...

I love how the TC just went back to the N64 to make his argument... well it's not 1996 anymore...

Even more intresting is the inclusion of games that are not Owned by Nintendo, and never were. Rare was never a first party for example, even better Zack and Wiki and Madworld... I didn't know Nintendo owned capcom and sega now...

Clearly the TC doesn't know about that which he speaks.

Anyway the only reason you think Nintendo Sold out, is because your a fanboy who's stuck in the past.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

The only people who say the Wii is ruining gaming are:

A) Stupid fanboys

B) People who don't want the gaming industry to change

Dahaka-UK

If by change you mean making it worse then yes I don't want it to change.

Worse for who, you? The world doesn't revolve around you... and maybe just maybe if you would let go of your narrow views of gaming, you'll have more fun, and more games to play...

Elitist always miss out.

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

Fawlcon_Pawnch

I hope you don't think that people actually take system wars seriously...

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

The only people who say the Wii is ruining gaming are:

A) Stupid fanboys

B) People who don't want the gaming industry to change

GundamGuy0

If by change you mean making it worse then yes I don't want it to change.

Worse for who, you? The world doesn't revolve around you...

Bingo!

About 0.0000000001% of the population thinks Nintendo is ruining gaming.

The other six billion people on this planet either don't think Nintendo is ruining gaming, or just don't care.

It's impossible sane people sheep have been brain washed by Nintendo. The denial is so strong. Nintendo will have them bowing down to a huge statue of Mario next and kissing it's feet.Dahaka-UK

It's hard to call the majorty opinion insane... Usually it's the people with minorty opinions about how the world work that are viewed as insane, because they go against the grain.

For example, you believe that Sheep are irrational, and have been brain washed... That seems kind of out there to me.

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

WINDWAKER1

I hope you don't think that people actually take system wars seriously...

I find it hard that you dont believe that some sad people actually do take it dead seriously

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

The only people who say the Wii is ruining gaming are:

A) Stupid fanboys

B) People who don't want the gaming industry to change

GundamGuy0

If by change you mean making it worse then yes I don't want it to change.

Worse for who, you? The world doesn't revolve around you... and maybe just maybe if you would let go of your narrow views of gaming, you'll have more fun, and more games to play...

Elitist always miss out.

Gaming should revolve around people like me. Not just me. It would be a much better place. If we all had true taste. We'd all be playing amazing games not playing on an inferior console that plays inferior games.

Oh SNAP, the fanboy brigade just arrived

Fawlcon_Pawnch

Basically you don't have any argument. At least, I put a small effort in mine.

"teh Fanbosyzz are tehzz ruinezers" = you.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

The only people who say the Wii is ruining gaming are:

A) Stupid fanboys

B) People who don't want the gaming industry to change

Dahaka-UK

If by change you mean making it worse then yes I don't want it to change.

Worse for who, you? The world doesn't revolve around you... and maybe just maybe if you would let go of your narrow views of gaming, you'll have more fun, and more games to play...

Elitist always miss out.

Gaming should revolve around people like me. Not just me. It would be a much better place. If we all had true taste. We'd all be playing amazing games not playing on an inferior console that plays inferior games.

The reason gameing sucks for me now, is because by and large it caters to a few big audences. Fans of Shooters, Sports Sims, and Racers...

Sandbox is on the way up... but still, the industry if too focused on the people with your "true tastes" so much so that games are becoming stale, and short, and just lame. If you don't agree then you either really easy to please or just another cog in the machine that is the problem with gameing today.

The reason some sheep love the Wii is because it, offers fresh new experences. Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes are but too of the many fresh original games I've played for the Wii.

Gamers like you don't like it because it's not exactly what you want. You just want the same stuff spoon fed to you over and over again.

Gaming should revolve around people like me. Not just me. It would be a much better place. If we all had true taste. We'd all be playing amazing games not playing on an inferior console that plays inferior games.

Dahaka-UK

:lol: Do you even read your own posts? Jesus they are embarresing...

I think hardcore gamers like myself are worried that what Nintendo has done with bringing casual gamers is going to spread over into Microsoft and Sony territory and make them switch and cater to casual gamers like Nintendo does now. The Wii is an okay console, I own all three but I'm going to be getting rid of my Wii because it's just not my kind of console.

I personally don't like the remote, I prefer a controller. The graphics are last gen. The online is quite terrible to non-existent. The only thing that made it appeal to me is Nintendo's classic titles like Super Mario, Zelda and Metroid and a couple games from Capcom like Okami and Resident Evil 4. I would like the Wii a lot more if Nintendo hadn't sold out hardcore gamers and spent so much time on causual gamers. I hope this doesn't spread to the other console makers.

[QUOTE="Holy_Phoenix"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

-General_Ram-

I think you mean that "the Wii is ruining the image that games are specifically geared for the hardcore".

no, i meant what i said. With the WIi phiolsophy taking popularity, expect less games with high difficulty that arent accessible easily (Ninja Gaiden or oldschool megaman games come to mind).

That isn't true at all. Despite console games severly casualizing arcade and PC games there are still plenty of core games on those platforms. And MEGA-MAN isn't hardcore.