Wii --- So how exactly is it ruining gaming?

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

GundamGuy0

No, it's the Wii.

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

Nintendo clearly sold out..your a fanboy stuck in the past.

Look at this Xmas 1st party games.

This is the NEW Nintendo.

Forget stats, look at the Summer, Fall, and Xmas Nintendo 1st party lineup. It's a joke.

You are quick to to call people names, you say I'm a fanboy stuck in the past. I say you are a Nintendo Fanboy who's in denial at what Nintendo is becoming.

You probably were exposed to Okami on Wii and played Okami on Wii. That's hardcore dedication from a Hardcore Nintendo fan. Meanwhile, I reserved it and bought it day one the day it existed, because I actually am a fan of Hideki Kamiya.

It slowed down Japanese Devs... that's for sure.leadernator

Actually, I'd say that the 360 and PS3 has slowed them down even more. Look at SE and FFXIII. It's taking them so long and costing them so much that they can't even release any of the smaller games since all the budget has gone to making those big games.

In fact, the problem with having big systems like the 360 and PS3 is that it shuts out a lot of creativity. Companies are more adverse to risk as the cost of those projects are too big and a flop in sales like Too Human is going to hurt the company a lot. That means more streamlined games that are similar to other ones and there is a lack of innovation and change when that happens.

Of course, this doesn't mean that there won't be innovate games, but there will be fewer of them than if there was a system that allowed for cheaper development and experimentation.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="-General_Ram-"]

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

mattbbpl

No. Infact it's doing the exact opposite, it's backpedling the whole games=art thing. If the face of the game industry is Wii Sports and Wii fit, it doesn't help us be taken seriously with movies and music. What it does is puts us in a games=toys catagory where games are not taken seriously. The forefront runners of games in order to be taken seriously would have to be games like Braid, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins Creed (whatever your opinions may be), Indigo Prophicy, Beyond Good and Evil, and so forth. Games like this help the industry be taken seriously as an art form and almost 0 games do this on the wii, and those that do never gain the popularity to do so, even on enthusiest message boards like this one.

Do Rob Schneider films prevent films from being viewed as art?

What about Metallica albums preventing music from being viewed as art?

How about Anne Rice books preventing literature from being viewed as art?

Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

I agree with you that bad art doesn't stunt good art, but come on, Metallica. One of the best Metal bands of all time? Don't be hating on Metallica.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

SolidTy

No, it's the Wii.

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

Nintendo clearly sold out..your a fanboy stuck in the past.

Look at this Xmas 1st party games.

This is the NEW Nintendo.

Forget stats, look at the Summer, Fall, and Xmas Nintendo 1st party lineup. It's a joke.

You are quick to to call people names, you say I'm a fanboy stuck in the past. I say you are a Nintendo Fanboy who's in denial at what Nintendo is becoming.

You probably were exposed to Okami on Wii and played Okami on Wii. That's hardcore dedication from a Hardcore Nintendo fan.

Look at the first party offerings from MS for the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Those were a joke.

Look at the first party offerings from Sony for the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Those were a joke.

What's your point? A first party company cannot be the sole provider of games. 3rd party devs are important.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

Zhengi

Nintendo clearly sold out..your a fanboy stuck in the past.

Look at this Xmas 1st party games.

This is the NEW Nintendo.

Forget stats, look at the Summer, Fall, and Xmas Nintendo 1st party lineup. It's a joke.

You are quick to to call people names, you say I'm a fanboy stuck in the past. I say you are a Nintendo Fanboy who's in denial at what Nintendo is becoming.

You probably were exposed to Okami on Wii and played Okami on Wii. That's hardcore dedication from a Hardcore Nintendo fan. Meanwhile, I bought and Reserved the game when it first existed, because I'm a fan of Hideki Kamiya.

Look at the first party offerings from MS for the Spring, Summer, and Fall.(Why did you add SPRING? Why did you OMIT XMAS?)Those were a joke.

Look at the first party offerings from Sony for the Spring, Summer, and Fall.(WHY DID YOU ADD SPRING?Lol.Why did you OMIT XMAS?lol.) Those were a joke.

What's your point? A first party company cannot be the sole provider of games. 3rd party devs are important.

The 1st party company sets the standard for what MANY 3rd party publishers will do to make money.

Furthermore, EVERYBODY knows the BEST GAMES ON THE WII, are the 1st party Nintendo games, which brings you to the Fail Zone.

Finally, The 3rd party games on the Wii are a joke COMPARED to PS3/360...don't you realize that?

SUMMARIZED :

1. Nintendo sets the example.

2. Nintendo makes the best games, and they aren't doing that lately.

3. 3rd party reliance isn't good, especially with Wii being the worst of the bunch.

Look at the first party offerings from MS for the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Those were a joke.

Look at the first party offerings from Sony for the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Those were a joke.

What's your point? A first party company cannot be the sole provider of games. 3rd party devs are important.

Zhengi

And that is what the Wii is lacking.

Wii is actually growing the industry. Its gonna help bring gaming next to other widely accepted mediums such as Music and movies.

Now, gaming is still considered a hobby or something hardcore nerds play (thanks a lot WOW players!), but Wii is changing that.

What Wii is ruining....are games SPECIFICALLY geared for the hardcore.

-General_Ram-

Ummm....no?

Maybe in middle america where people are still using beepers but in the rest of the world gaming is mainstream and has been since 1995. If gaming is still considered something "nerds" play then there must be a lot of nerds because the gaming industry is the biggest entertainment industry in the US.

[QUOTE="WINDWAKER1"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

Wii isnt ruining anything. You know whats ruining gaming? Fanboys

Fawlcon_Pawnch

I hope you don't think that people actually take system wars seriously...

I find it hard that you dont believe that some sad people actually do take it dead seriously

What's your definition of taking it seriously. I come here for serious discussion, but I understand the ultimate lack of importance.

When people say "No one takes System Wars seriously.", I immediately think of trolls. I actually heard (read) one person say that they go out of their way on System Wars to be more fanboyish. IMO, if your real-life opinions aren't reflected in your posts, than you're doing nothing but trolling.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Do Rob Schneider films prevent films from being viewed as art?

What about Metallica albums preventing music from being viewed as art?

How about Anne Rice books preventing literature from being viewed as art?

Bad art is present in all mediums. It doesn't stunt the good art. It simply gives the more simple minded individuals something they like.

Il_Exile_lI

I agree with you that bad art doesn't stunt good art, but come on, Metallica. One of the best Metal bands of all time? Don't be hating on Metallica.

Haha. They're not really my cup of tea although I liked some of their early stuff.

"Simple" doesn't necessarily mean bad. I like some simple works such as "Dumb and Dumber" and Stephen King books (I'm a sucker for his clever storytelling although the writing is almost painfully simple).

I even adore Wii sports (gasp!)

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Fanboys will always be around, Nintendo's new direction for NONGamers is new and selling out is never something taken well.

Zhengi

Nintendo clearly sold out..your a fanboy stuck in the past.

Look at this Xmas 1st party games.

This is the NEW Nintendo.

Forget stats, look at the Summer, Fall, and Xmas Nintendo 1st party lineup. It's a joke.

You are quick to to call people names, you say I'm a fanboy stuck in the past. I say you are a Nintendo Fanboy who's in denial at what Nintendo is becoming.

You probably were exposed to Okami on Wii and played Okami on Wii. That's hardcore dedication from a Hardcore Nintendo fan. Meanwhile, I bought and Reserved the game when it first existed, because I'm a fan of Hideki Kamiya.

Look at the first party offerings from MS for the Spring, Summer, and Fall.(Why did you add SPRING? Why did you OMIT XMAS?)Those were a joke.

Look at the first party offerings from Sony for the Spring, Summer, and Fall.(WHY DID YOU ADD SPRING?Lol.Why did you OMIT XMAS?lol.) Those were a joke.

What's your point? A first party company cannot be the sole provider of games. 3rd party devs are important.

The 1st party company sets the standard for what MANY 3rd party publishers will do to make money.

Furthermore, EVERYBODY knows the BEST GAMES ON THE WII, are the 1st party Nintendo games, which brings you to the Fail Zone.

Finally, The 3rd party games on the Wii are a joke COMPARED to PS3/360...don't you realize that?

SUMMARIZED :

1. Nintendo sets the example.

2. Nintendo makes the best games, and they aren't doing that lately.

3. 3rd party reliance isn't good, especially with Wii being the worst of the bunch.

What's your definition of taking it seriously. I come here for serious discussion, but I understand the ultimate lack of importance.

When people say "No one takes System Wars seriously.", I immediately think of trolls. I actually heard (read) one person say that they go out of their way on System Wars to be more fanboyish. IMO, if your real-life opinions aren't reflected in your posts, than you're doing nothing but trolling.

Tylendal

I WAS referring to people who actually are influenced by trolls, kids who listen to troll's outbursts about a particular system and build their (wrong) opinions around it, and then spread it out like its a the mighty truth.

When you see a thread saying, "Nintendo is the worst developer ever", "i wish the Wii didint exist", "PS3 is a POS" (like me) you'l probably think its a troll, but sometimes its not. There are actually people commited to stalk particular threads to prove other peoples enjoyment and opinion wrong and worst of all, they use troll logic as a valid "fact".

Y Trolls talk crap about system X > Y fans hear the trolls and wrongfully agree with them > Y fans spred the trolls crap as truth > and it starts all over again ...

This kind of crap kills any enjoyment one might have in a gaming forum. Gamespot is filled with them

its not ruining it but its not making it better IMONevlim

Its branching out where the industry can go, where as the PS3/360 are just going in the same path.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Look at the first party offerings from MS for the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Those were a joke.

Look at the first party offerings from Sony for the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Those were a joke.

What's your point? A first party company cannot be the sole provider of games. 3rd party devs are important.

JLF1

And that is what the Wii is lacking.

Yeah, but you can't deny the fact that 3rd parties are starting to ramp up more games for the Wii either. Look at all the recent game announcements like Muramasa and TvC. I'm just pointing out that SolidTy criticising Nintendo for not having any games is the same argument one can use against MS and Sony, except they had 3rd parties covering their behind.

blah blah blahSolidTy

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The same reason you omitted the Wii's Spring quarter.

And the Wii's 3rd party is getting better, except people won't acknowledge it.

As for your argument about 1st party companies setting the standard, what standard are MS and Sony setting? Not a very good one apparantly as they have lost billions and very few companies are actually in the black. Just look at EA. They make the most money on the 360 and they've recorded 6 consecutive quarters of losses. So I don't see how you can use this reasoning if you're not willing to apply it to MS and Sony.

[QUOTE="Nevlim"]its not ruining it but its not making it better IMOHaziqonfire

Its branching out where the industry can go, where as the PS3/360 are just going in the same path.

Where would that be? To Non-Gamer and Senior Citizen demographics? Sorry but no. More games for them means less games for cores. All focus should be towards core games not releasing stupid games no one likes besides non-gamers.

Look at Nintendo's "Core" lineup for the Wii for this fall. Wario Land Shake It and Animal Crossing (which is pushing it). Pretty pathethic if you ask me.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Nevlim"]its not ruining it but its not making it better IMOShadow2k6

Its branching out where the industry can go, where as the PS3/360 are just going in the same path.

Where would that be? To Non-Gamer and Senior Citizen demographics? Sorry but no. More games for them means less games for cores. All focus should be towards core games not releasing stupid games no one likes besides non-gamers.

Look at Nintendo's "Core" lineup for the Wii for this fall. Wario Land Shake It and Animal Crossing (which is pushing it). Pretty pathethic if you ask me.

Disaster: Day of Crisis? Of course, there's no US release date, but there is one for Japan and Europe.

Wii's 3rd party is getting better, even if Nintendo's no longer delivering, also I'm playing a new game, called Wii Sales.Zhengi

Edited to make the post more concise.

My point is :

What is coming for ME TO PLAY from the creators of the BEST Wii Games? ZILCH.

If this thread was made last year, I would be You, and arguing against some fanboy. That's why I omitted Spring, because It's OVER. I already played MarioKart and SSBB. I have both of those. That's why I omited SPRING. As it's the past, we went through it, it was long ago.

The Wii's 3rd parties may be getting BETTER as you put it, BUT it's not BETTER than the 360/PS3, by far. That's what matters to a gamer like me.

Finally, Sony has a TON of 1st party games, that are high quality. They set a pretty good standard, because they KEEP THEM COMING. M$, though, doesn't do as well but THEY STILL KEEP EM COMING. Then they got better 3rd party support, and the rest is history.

Is the Wii Improving with 3rd parties? Sure.

Is it good enough? Not imo, but when you consider the 1st party went AWOL, that really STINGS.

You point out that M$ and Sony rely on 3rd parties, but at least they get the best ones. Furthermore, many consider the BEST DEV to be Nintendo, and guess what, They went AWOL on EVERY WII OWNER since SUMMER, imo.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Nevlim"]its not ruining it but its not making it better IMOShadow2k6

Its branching out where the industry can go, where as the PS3/360 are just going in the same path.

Where would that be? To Non-Gamer and Senior Citizen demographics? Sorry but no. More games for them means less games for cores. All focus should be towards core games not releasing stupid games no one likes besides non-gamers.

Look at Nintendo's "Core" lineup for the Wii for this fall. Wario Land Shake It and Animal Crossing (which is pushing it). Pretty pathethic if you ask me.

Branching out as in ways to innovate the industry, not branching out in terms of demographics.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Wii's 3rd party is getting better, even if Nintendo's no longer delivering, also I'm playing a new game, called Wii Sales.SolidTy

Edited to make the post more concise.

My point is :

What is coming for ME TO PLAY from the creators of the BEST Wii Games? ZILCH.

If this thread was made last year, I would be You, and arguing against some fanboy. That's why I omitted Spring, because It's OVER. I already played MarioKart and SSBB. I have both of those. That's why I omited SPRING. As it's the past, we went through it, it was long ago.

The Wii's 3rd parties may be getting BETTER as you put it, BUT it's not BETTER than the 360/PS3, by far. That's what matters to a gamer like me.

Finally, Sony has a TON of 1st party games, that are high quality. They set a pretty good standard, because they KEEP THEM COMING. M$, though, doesn't do as well but THEY STILL KEEP EM COMING. Then they got better 3rd party support, and the rest is history.

Is the Wii Improving with 3rd parties? Sure.

Is it good enough? Not imo, but when you consider the 1st party went AWOL, that really STINGS.

You point out that M$ and Sony rely on 3rd parties, but at least they get the best ones. Furthermore, many consider the BEST DEV to be Nintendo, and guess what, They went AWOL on EVERY WII OWNER since SUMMER, imo.

Really? So games you've played don't count anymore? Can we discount all the past games for the other consoles too?

And what do MS and Sony have for "ME TO PLAY" from the creators of the BEST 360 and PS3 games? Zilch. See I can do that too (even though it's the truth). Where does that leave us?

As for Sony's high quality first party games, are you talking about games like Lair? Heavenly Sword? Rachet and Clank? Those are your standards for high quality first party games on the PS3? Really? Uncharted is probably the game that qualifies for the standard you stated. Nintendo released a GOTY for 2007 and another AAA game this year in SSBB. There's only so much one company can do. It's more truthful to say that those games for Sony were in development before the PS3 bombed at launch. Now, they're coming out because the development for those games are finishing up. Sony having those third party games has absolutely nothing, zilch to do with their "high quality" first party titles that have been released.

As for the Wii's 3rd party games, yeah, they are good enough, imo. That's why I play games like MLB Power Pros, PES 2007, and No More Heroes. They are different from the norm and that's what many people look for.

Yeah, fall back onto 3rd parties. I know you can't bring yourself to criticize MS and Sony with the same exact reasons you are criticizing Nintendo. If those two didn't have 3rd parties, you'd wouldn't say a peep. That's what I find hypocritical about your arguments, especially after Nintendo has released more quality 1st party games than both MS and Sony.

It's expanding the gaming industry but in the wrong way... If people think that gaming is just about chibi-bobble-headed human avatars playing golf, tennis, music, etc, then gaming will NEVER grow into a sort of medium that people see as "serious business" not "just another toy". Big budget games will start to dissapear and developers will only make games as simplistic as possible, effectively throwing down the window the decades that have been put into adding depth in games and details that, put together, make the big budget games that we see today. Nintendo is still making the great classic games like smash bros, mario, zelda, etc because they make money(and lots of it), but soon enough Nintendo might even ditch these IP's and keep doing the same crap like Wii music, Fit, sports resort, etc. Because they'll start to sell even more and cost less to make.

I was a hardcore Nintendo fanboy until this gen, I always saw Nintendo as the company that keeps gaming together because they kept revolutionizing the industry but now they're going the complete opposite way.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Nevlim"]its not ruining it but its not making it better IMOShadow2k6

Its branching out where the industry can go, where as the PS3/360 are just going in the same path.

Where would that be? To Non-Gamer and Senior Citizen demographics? Sorry but no. More games for them means less games for cores. All focus should be towards core games not releasing stupid games no one likes besides non-gamers.

Look at Nintendo's "Core" lineup for the Wii for this fall. Wario Land Shake It and Animal Crossing (which is pushing it). Pretty pathethic if you ask me.

You shouldn't eat your seed corn.

That's like saying you should only market professional caliber tournement rated sports equipment.

Its ruining gaming by allowing low budget devs to be able to make games and profit on the wii and allowing their company to grow. And its ruining it by allowing people to take risk and make creative games like boom blox and actually having it sell (lord knows this game wouldnt sell 2 copies if it was on the 360). Its ruining gaming by reviving the adventure genre on consoles. Its ruining gaming by improving shooter controls on consoles. Its ruining gaming by expanding the market for all types of people young and old, male and female. It's ruining gaming by reminding us that a game is mostly about fun and not how many polys you fit into a screen. It's ruining gaming by giving us access to a huge catolog of classic games. It's ruining gaming by having 2007's GOTY.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Wii's 3rd party is getting better, even if Nintendo's no longer delivering, also I'm playing a new game, called Wii Sales.Zhengi

Edited to make the post more concise.

My point is :

What is coming for ME TO PLAY from the creators of the BEST Wii Games? ZILCH.

If this thread was made last year, I would be You, and arguing against some fanboy. That's why I omitted Spring, because It's OVER. I already played MarioKart and SSBB. I have both of those. That's why I omited SPRING. As it's the past, we went through it, it was long ago.

The Wii's 3rd parties may be getting BETTER as you put it, BUT it's not BETTER than the 360/PS3, by far. That's what matters to a gamer like me.

Finally, Sony has a TON of 1st party games, that are high quality. They set a pretty good standard, because they KEEP THEM COMING. M$, though, doesn't do as well but THEY STILL KEEP EM COMING. Then they got better 3rd party support, and the rest is history.

Is the Wii Improving with 3rd parties? Sure.

Is it good enough? Not imo, but when you consider the 1st party went AWOL, that really STINGS.

You point out that M$ and Sony rely on 3rd parties, but at least they get the best ones. Furthermore, many consider the BEST DEV to be Nintendo, and guess what, They went AWOL on EVERY WII OWNER since SUMMER, imo.

Really? So games you've played don't count anymore? Can we discount all the past games for the other consoles too?

And what do MS and Sony have for "ME TO PLAY" from the creators of the BEST 360 and PS3 games? Zilch. See I can do that too (even though it's the truth). Where does that leave us?

As for Sony's high quality first party games, are you talking about games like Lair? Heavenly Sword? Rachet and Clank? Those are your standards for high quality first party games on the PS3? Really? Uncharted is probably the game that qualifies for the standard you stated. Nintendo released a GOTY for 2007 and another AAA game this year in SSBB. There's only so much one company can do. It's more truthful to say that those games for Sony were in development before the PS3 bombed at launch. Now, they're coming out because the development for those games are finishing up. Sony having those third party games has absolutely nothing, zilch to do with their "high quality" first party titles that have been released.

As for the Wii's 3rd party games, yeah, they are good enough, imo. That's why I play games like MLB Power Pros, PES 2007, and No More Heroes. They are different from the norm and that's what many people look for.

Yeah, fall back onto 3rd parties. I know you can't bring yourself to criticize MS and Sony with the same exact reasons you are criticizing Nintendo. If those two didn't have 3rd parties, you'd wouldn't say a peep. That's what I find hypocritical about your arguments, especially after Nintendo has released more quality 1st party games than both MS and Sony.

If...

That's the thing, they do. If they didn't, I would be praising Nintendo even more. BTW : Ratchet is 88% Critically, it's a good game. Anyways, This is the problem.

Assuming M$ and Sony weren't releasing any good 1st party stuff this holiday season (Which they are actually), they have the 3rd party's to back them up better than Nintendo.

I have NMH, it's great. Doesn't mean I'm going to play it forever, and skip games like MGS4, GeoW2, R2, LBP,etc.The same could be said last year, when I beat Metroid P3, SMG, Ratchet (88% Gameranking is awesome, despite what GS gave it), Uncharted, Halo 3.

Since the N64, people have noticed the obvious drop in 3rd parties from Nintendo. LUCKILY, for Nintendo fans, Nintendo's 1st quality titles were always there.Now, Nintendo is just not the same. I don't blame them, but they sold out.

Um. Yes it is.

Quality developers such as Epic have already said they will never develop for the Wii, since it is not pushing the gaming industry forward. A single motion controller is not pushing the industry forward. I just hope Nintendo's success with this cheap gimmick does not persuade microsoft and sony next gen. If everyone sold out like nintendo, it would mean the end of quality games and storytelling. A day I fear may come in the future, since money is the most important thing. STOP DUMBING DOWN THE GAMING INDUSTRY!

Um. Yes it is.

Quality developers such as Epic have already said they will never develop for the Wii, since it is not pushing the gaming industry forward. A single motion controller is not pushing the industry forward. I just hope Nintendo's success with this cheap gimmick does not persuade microsoft and sony next gen. If everyone sold out like nintendo, it would mean the end of quality games and storytelling. A day I fear may come in the future, since money is the most important thing. STOP DUMBING DOWN THE GAMING INDUSTRY! mineshr

Tha is the funnest thing I've read all day.. LOL

its not ruining it but its not making it better IMONevlim

yeah and the PS3 and 360 is right?

I've read so many pathetic fanboy posts that think the industry revolves around them it's pathetic. Those fanboys want the game industry to keep making the same ole games it's made for years, same ole fps's, same ole shooting action games simply with a shiny coat of next gen paint? Come of your high horses and see reality for once.

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

XenogearsMaster

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[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

Miss_Wacy

this

[QUOTE="Miss_Wacy"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

Bigboi500

this

There was an article in EGM and Game Informer showing just HOW MUCH MORE SHOVELWARE the Wii has. It's a much larger proportion, that you must be unaware. The SNES/PSOne/PS2 those were FAR different in percentage of crap to good games.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Miss_Wacy"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

SolidTy

this

There was an article in EGM and Game Informer showing just HOW MUCH MORE SHOVELWARE the Wii has. It's a much larger proportion, that you must be unaware. The SNES/PSOne/PS2 those were FAR different in percentage of crap to good games.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Miss_Wacy"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

Bigboi500

this

There was an article in EGM and Game Informer showing just HOW MUCH MORE SHOVELWARE the Wii has. It's a much larger proportion, that you must be unaware. The SNES/PSOne/PS2 those were FAR different in percentage of crap to good games.

What you don't realize is there are Quality Controls in place at both SONY and M$. It's funny, because that's actually a Nintendo Idea that they abandoned. So actually, no, not all those crappy games would have even come out.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="Miss_Wacy"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

The bad graphics... and the loads of shovelware.

SolidTy

this

There was an article in EGM and Game Informer showing just HOW MUCH MORE SHOVELWARE the Wii has. It's a much larger proportion, that you must be unaware. The SNES/PSOne/PS2 those were FAR different in percentage of crap to good games.

What you don't realize is there are Quality Controls in place at both SONY and M$. It's funny, because that's actually a Nintendo Idea that they abandoned. So actually, no, not all those crappy games would have even come out.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Then by that standard PS2 "ruined" gaming as well, and the PS1 before that.MagnuzGuerra

There was an article in EGM and Game Informer showing just HOW MUCH MORE SHOVELWARE the Wii has. It's a much larger proportion, that you must be unaware. The SNES/PSOne/PS2 those were FAR different in percentage of crap to good games.

What you don't realize is there are Quality Controls in place at both SONY and M$. It's funny, because that's actually a Nintendo Idea that they abandoned. So actually, no, not all those crappy games would have even come out.

Do you really wanna stack up Crap games against each other? lol. We both know how that would end up.

Do you really wanna stack up Crap games against each other? lol. We both know how that would end up.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Do you really wanna stack up Crap games against each other? lol. We both know how that would end up.

MagnuzGuerra

And he's just saying that the "quality control" on MS and Sony's side is far better than on nintendo's side. which is completely true.

I've had my share of making fun of Wii and its horrible 3rd party titles. But honestly...how is it ruining gaming exactly? Bad graphics? Well, that argument makes no sense. If you going to go down that route, then you can say all the Gameboys have ruined gaming. And DS also, since the graphics aren't nearly as good as PSP. The graphics argument makes no sense. Ok, poor 3rd party titles? Yeah, Wii has a fair share of those, but so did PS1 and PS2. No one ever said that PS2 was ruining gaming...

And then, what is left? The controller? Nintendo has usually innovated the industry with its controllers. Not sure why this would be any different.

The only real argument left is the crappy friends codes. But that is hardly a huge problem...

AvIdGaMeR444

Simply put it's not,

It's a games dedicated console including casual gamers and not shafting them like it's competition did. Your dead on about the controller, analogue sticks and rumble packs only appeared on the compotitions knock off SNES pad when it was proven popular on the N64.

"It's ruining gaming." is a idle rant from idiots who live in a fantasy world where money grows on trees and creativity comes from some new TV resolution.

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Do you really wanna stack up Crap games against each other? lol. We both know how that would end up.

qewrewq

And he's just saying that the "quality control" on MS and Sony's side is far better than on nintendo's side. which is completely true.

[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Do you really wanna stack up Crap games against each other? lol. We both know how that would end up.

MagnuzGuerra

And he's just saying that the "quality control" on MS and Sony's side is far better than on nintendo's side. which is completely true.

No, Nintendo said they stopped. You can't stop the crap games from coming out, only limit them. Nintendo has no such limitation's in place this generation. Go read EGM or GAMEINFORMER before you just blindly defend Nintendo. I'm not making this up, you just need to accept the reality of why SO MANY BAD GAMES are flooding the market.

Apparently "teh casuals" will cause the industry to collapse :roll:

They forget the PS1 did the same thing for casuals, and that's the last big boom of gaming, this is the next one. I'm not pleased with the likes of Wii Music, but if it's necessary to help the industry grow (don't forget everyonee starts gaming as a casual, lots of this gen's new gamers will be hardcore gamers by next gen), I can swallow it, as long as they keep the likes of SMG and SSBB rolling out.In between their "proper" game releases I've got plenty of other games to play, on the PC, and other consoles.

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]

Comparing how many crap games each console has doesn't prove that there's quality control.SolidTy

No, Nintendo said they stopped. You can't stop the crap games from coming out, only limit them. Nintendo has no such limitation's in place this generation. Go read EGM or GAMEINFORMER before you just blindly defend Nintendo. I'm not making this up, you just need to accept the reality of why SO MANY BAD GAMES are flooding the market.

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"][QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]

I'm just saying that there's no such thing as "Quality Control" like you mentioned. You were the one implying that MS and Sony had such thing to prevent releases of crap games.SolidTy

And he's just saying that the "quality control" on MS and Sony's side is far better than on nintendo's side. which is completely true.

No, Nintendo said they stopped. You can't stop the crap games from coming out, only limit them. Nintendo has no such limitation's in place this generation. Go read EGM or GAMEINFORMER before you just blindly defend Nintendo. I'm not making this up, you just need to accept the reality of why SO MANY BAD GAMES are flooding the market.

You don't know what you're talking about. Do you think Sony checks off a list of 'Bad Games Allowed On Our Console' and when the badgame quota is used up for the month, they start denying people the right to develop for their console? No. The Wii has more shovelware because it has more people who will buy shovelware.

More importantly, shovelware has no impact on you or any other gamer with two brain cells to rub together. Unless you buy your games completely at random, shovelware percentages mean nothing at all.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]

Comparing how many crap games each console has doesn't prove that there's quality control.MagnuzGuerra

No, Nintendo said they stopped. You can't stop the crap games from coming out, only limit them. Nintendo has no such limitation's in place this generation. Go read EGM or GAMEINFORMER before you just blindly defend Nintendo. I'm not making this up, you just need to accept the reality of why SO MANY BAD GAMES are flooding the market.

Why don't you go back and read the entire thread, you are posing no new question's that weren't already answered.

EGM and Game Informer looked at the PERCENTAGE of Crap games on the Wii vs. The PSOne, PS2, etc. It was a Blowout.

As far as people not buying those games, you are right, but treading on waters we already discussed. Look, you are a Nintendo fan that doesn't understand what Quality Control means or is. What you need to do is look it up. Save us all time.

I am a Nintendo fan that realizes what's different, you are in the first step, Denial. That's all.