Wii U could've been more powerful than PS3/360 at the same $350 price tag.

I don't know if anyone notices it, but come to think about it, the Wii U could've easily had far better performance in graphics/power than the PS3 & 360 at the same $350 price tag were it not for the Gamepad holding the system back, as that was the most expensive product of the entire system. And that's the sad part about it.

It would've dominated with the masses. If they were going to bring something like the Gamepad out that is very similar to the tablet, then they should've released this console back in 2010 where tablets were in their infancy & were becoming popular.

yea like power worked for them on the n64 and gamecube...

nah they need to stand out from the twins..

Nintendo wanted a compact, extremely efficient (ie low power) console that also has 1:1 Wii Mode. It wasn't solely the Gamepad that held back it's potential graphical prowess.

We also haven't seen any dev take it seriously yet for exclusives. Porting existing content over to more powerful hardware doesn't automatically make it look better.

It won't be 350$ for much longer at all. 

The gamepad is its hook. Theres not a chance its going to be more powerful than the ps4/xbox, so without it, it would still be weaker but without any difference thats marketable. 

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

yea like power worked for them on the n64 and gamecube...

nah they need to stand out from the twins..

KBFloYd

do some of you guys really want all console makers be the same?

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

painguy1

PS2 best system ever? I dunno about that, the SNES and DS give it a good run for it's money.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

p3anut

PS2 best system ever? I dunno about that, the SNES and DS give it a good run for it's money.

DS

lol

I mean sales wise :P should have been more specific

:lol: Wiiu

It's strong enough for Nintendo exclusives.

Really, all they have to do is to release those big games they're working on...

do some of you guys really want all console makers be the same?

k2theswiss

I want them to differentiate themselves through their games,not through sh!tty gimmicks that no one wants.

I don't know if anyone notices it, but come to think about it, the Wii U could've easily had far better performance in graphics/power than the PS3 & 360 at the same $350 price tag were it not for the Gamepad holding the system back, as that was the most expensive product of the entire system. And that's the sad part about it.

It would've dominated with the masses. If they were going to bring something like the Gamepad out that is very similar to the tablet, then they should've released this console back in 2010 where tablets were in their infancy & were becoming popular.

Shinobi120

:lol: Wiiu

NathanDrakeSwag

I don't know if anyone notices it, but come to think about it, the Wii U could've easily had far better performance in graphics/power than the PS3 & 360 at the same $350 price tag were it not for the Gamepad holding the system back, as that was the most expensive product of the entire system. And that's the sad part about it.

It would've dominated with the masses. If they were going to bring something like the Gamepad out that is very similar to the tablet, then they should've released this console back in 2010 where tablets were in their infancy & were becoming popular.

Shinobi120

It is more powerful.

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Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

painguy1

Except the PS2 was strong enough that it didn't matter it was the weakest... it's not like the gap was gigantic like the Wii - PS3..

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

GD1551

Except the PS2 was strong enough that it didn't matter it was the weakest... it's not like the gap was gigantic like the Wii - PS3..

Didn't matter with the Wii or the DS either. I'm merely talking about sales since TC seems to think better hardware would make WiiU sell better which is kinda silly.

Well Super600 will tell you its 4X stronger and it uses dual GPU tech that hasn't fully been realized yet. Heil68

Are you talking about someone else?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

painguy1

Except the PS2 was strong enough that it didn't matter it was the weakest... it's not like the gap was gigantic like the Wii - PS3..

Didn't matter with the Wii or the DS either. I'm merely talking about sales since TC seems to think better hardware would make WiiU sell better which is kinda silly.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Except the PS2 was strong enough that it didn't matter it was the weakest... it's not like the gap was gigantic like the Wii - PS3..

Crossel777

Didn't matter with the Wii or the DS either. I'm merely talking about sales since TC seems to think better hardware would make WiiU sell better which is kinda silly.

I have to admit on the handheld thing, but PS2 had a strong casual backing aswell.Cheap DVD playback in 2000 was really a big deal for most consumers. Anyway I'm not really arguing against you that Wii U will succeed because its weaker. I'm just saying it wouldn't have succeeded if it was stronger as the TC is implying. Idk whats gonna happen to the WiiU...we'll have to wait till December to see. :P

Nintendo wanted a compact, extremely efficient (ie low power) console that also has 1:1 Wii Mode. It wasn't solely the Gamepad that held back it's potential graphical prowess.

We also haven't seen any dev take it seriously yet for exclusives. Porting existing content over to more powerful hardware doesn't automatically make it look better.

ChubbyGuy40

You can have an extremely efficient console with high power e.g. same performance per watt scaled to 100 watts.

Wii U's Radeon HD 4650 type GPU is not efficient when compared to AMD "Mars" GCN. AMD "Mars" GCN benchmarks e.g. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-8790m-mars-benchmark,3382.html

AMD "Mars" GCN e.g. 8790M.

7670M has similar TDP as 8790M.

Power didn't save the gamecube or N64. PS2 is like the best system ever and also the weakest of its gen.

painguy1

Nintendo wanted a compact, extremely efficient (ie low power) console that also has 1:1 Wii Mode. It wasn't solely the Gamepad that held back it's potential graphical prowess.

We also haven't seen any dev take it seriously yet for exclusives. Porting existing content over to more powerful hardware doesn't automatically make it look better.

ChubbyGuy40

Actually I had read an article a ways back that the power isn't as good as it could have been because they had an idea of the exact size they wanted the case to be, and the initial hardware in the case ran too hot.  So instead of resizing the console, they used less powerful hardware that produced less heat.

Even the physical components are made from cheap materials.runbleduck

[QUOTE="runbleduck"]Even the physical components are made from cheap materials.Buckhannah

Why do people always believe that if Nintendo did JUST this one thing (have a regular controller, have many games), that it would fix all of their problems? The entire management of Nintendo is fvcked and needs to go. It's not just one thing or another, it's Nintendo's entire philosophy and approach to gaming that's the problem. Until they get rid of all the old geezers (and Iwata asap), nothing will change for them. That company really needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. MirkoS77

Yeah, Nintendo's Management really screwed them on the failures that are the DS, 3DS, and Wii. Nintendo will never be able to recover from those. :(

They don't need raw power. They're not competing with MS and Sony. The gamepad is the focal point, not graphics... and there's nothing wrong with that. Why is that so hard to understand?

They don't need raw power. They're not competing with MS and Sony. The gamepad is the focal point, not graphics... and there's nothing wrong with that. Why is that so hard to understand?

PatchMaster

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

They don't need raw power. They're not competing with MS and Sony. The gamepad is the focal point, not graphics... and there's nothing wrong with that. Why is that so hard to understand?

xxunnecessaryxs

people shouldn't be asking for equal hardware from the Wii U, but for games, since that's the entire point of a GAMING system.  And saying "true next gen" games doesn't even make sense since generations are associated with gaming systems, not games, and are about time, not power.

And almost all business "hide behind gimmicks." Sony and Microsoft also have gimmicks. The share button and touch pad for the PS4? Gimmicks. That new projector thingie for the Nextbox? Gimmick. A gimmick is simply an aspect of a product meant to garner attention to it.

Why do people always believe that if Nintendo did JUST this one thing (have a regular controller, have many games), that it would fix all of their problems? The entire management of Nintendo is fvcked and needs to go. It's not just one thing or another, it's Nintendo's entire philosophy and approach to gaming that's the problem. Until they get rid of all the old geezers (and Iwata asap), nothing will change for them. That company really needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.MirkoS77

Oh, I definitely agree with that.

Yeah, Nintendo's Management really screwed them on the failures that are the DS, 3DS, and Wii. Nintendo will never be able to recover from those. :(DJ-Lafleur

We're talking about consoles, though. Nintendo's been out of touch with the world on consoles since the N64, & hasn't had any decent 3rd party support on consoles since the SNES.

The wiiU should have been developed as a next gen console with new and better tech. They should have gone full AMD just like the other two. A quad core cpu with a better gpu.

I don't know if anyone notices it, but come to think about it, the Wii U could've easily had far better performance in graphics/power than the PS3 & 360 at the same $350 price tag were it not for the Gamepad holding the system back, as that was the most expensive product of the entire system. And that's the sad part about it.

It would've dominated with the masses. If they were going to bring something like the Gamepad out that is very similar to the tablet, then they should've released this console back in 2010 where tablets were in their infancy & were becoming popular.

Shinobi120

i rather want it to be unique than just another powerhouse consoleThe_Last_Ride

Lol you don't have anything to back up what you said. :lol:bbkkristian

Why should I have to? It's been well known all around that the Gamepad was what's more expensive about the system. It's been well known that the system would've been more powerful if it wasn't being held back by the Gamepad.

You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Lol you don't have anything to back up what you said. :lol:Shinobi120

Why should I have to? It's been well known all around that the Gamepad was what's more expensive about the system. It's been well known that the system would've been more powerful if it wasn't being held back by the Gamepad.

You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]Why do people always believe that if Nintendo did JUST this one thing (have a regular controller, have many games), that it would fix all of their problems? The entire management of Nintendo is fvcked and needs to go. It's not just one thing or another, it's Nintendo's entire philosophy and approach to gaming that's the problem. Until they get rid of all the old geezers (and Iwata asap), nothing will change for them. That company really needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.Shinobi120

Oh, I definitely agree with that.

Yeah, Nintendo's Management really screwed them on the failures that are the DS, 3DS, and Wii. Nintendo will never be able to recover from those. :(DJ-Lafleur

We're talking about consoles, though. Nintendo's been out of touch with the world on consoles since the N64, & hasn't had any decent 3rd party support on consoles since the SNES.

I was referring to the fact that Mirko and others think that Iwata and other Nintendo staff need to be fired. If we were to look only at the Wii U's current position than maybe they'd have a point, but are we just going to forget that they were also behind the DS, 3DS, and Wii, which whether you liked them or not, sold incredibly well for that were very successful, and in the 3DS's case, IS very successful and things only look great for the system's future.

I have come to the realization nintendo is better when they do their own thing, just like sony and microsoft need to stop imitating each other and get their own personalitys.

To clarify because this is system wars, I am not bashing any console.

I just think Sony and microsoft should focus on differences instead of outright compteion.

Nintendo started it's doom by becoming gimmicky instead of making solid hardware. While the Wii's gimmicky controls got people's attention, that fad faded over time. So when Nintendo tried another gimmick with the tablet controller people weren't impressed as the gimmicky way of getting people's attention had faded. Then no big games near launch only made things worse for sales. With so few sales game developers have been dropping their support. 

Nintendo becoming gimmicky was their temporary success, but lead to their failure later. 

yea like power worked for them on the n64 and gamecube...

nah they need to stand out from the twins..

KBFloYd