WiiU not about graphics, but experiences

Sounds like they are making excuses to cover their asses.EzcapeTheFate

excuse me dont get me started on the number of games available for the n64 being well under 400

and the fact that most of the good ones were by nintendo and very little variety in them , unlike the wii snes nes gc , ,

--------------------------- and you wanna say wii does not have first party games ? all right you owe me one hundred because i can name alot of first party wii games i can also name many 3rd party greats

1. new super mario bros
2. super mario galaxy
3. super mario galaxy 2
4. super paper mario
5. wario land shake it
6. donkey kong country
7. metroid prime collection
8. ssbb
9. mariokart wii
10. mario party 8
11. mario party 9
12. wii party
13. wii play
14. wii play motion
15. fling smash
16. punchout
17. kirby epic yarn
18. kirby return to dreamland
19. kirby compilation
20. super mario all stars
21. zelda skyward sward
22. zelda twilight princess
23. wii sports
24. wii sports resort
25. links crossbow training
26. mario tennis
27. mario super sluggers
28. mario sports mix
29. mario strikers charged
30. excite bike world rally
31. dr mario online rx
32. excite truck
33. excite bot trick racing
34. xeno blade
35. the last story
36. goldeneye 007
37. conduit
38. conduit 2
39. red steel 2
40. endless ocean
41. endless ocean 2
42. fire eblem
43. okami
44. resident evil 0
45. resident evil
46. resident evil 4
47. resident evil dc
48. resident evil uc
49. medal of honor heroes 2
50. driver paralel lines
51. bully se

now what did n64 have that is missing from the wii except

fzero -oh wait that can also be played on wii vc

---- 1080-scratch

paper mario-scratch

oot-scratch !

i dont honestly think theres a reason unless you still play top gear rally , that youd think n64 is better then the wii when wii has every nintendo ip n64 had and more,

i cant believe i heard you for real , -- whats n64s line up

oh lets see

1. ssb
2. mario 64
3. zelda oot
4. zelda mm
5. dk64
6. sf64
7. fzero x
8. mariokart 64
9. mario party 1 2 3
10. dr mario
11. excite bike
12. 1080
13. wave race
14. pilot wings
15. turok
16. goldeneye
17. hexen
18. duke nukem 64
19. rugrats scavenger hunt
20. top gear rally

ya thats alot of games ? not!

its funny some one said n64 was better then wii when wii has every major ip from nintendo that n64 has and more infact wii plays n64 games lol its appearent some one does not own a wii , or theyd know this

and the only reason i still play my n64 is -- -rugrats and top gear rally since the other games are else where!

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]This is good news. This is exactly what I want. I don't want another dumbed-down PC for a console. New experience. Yes Please :)ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"]Sounds like they are making excuses to cover their asses.g0ddyX

for? there destroying everything this generation

Who buys a console for graphics anyways?

Who buys a console for graphics anyways?

mitu123

Cows?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Who buys a console for graphics anyways?

Rocker6

Cows?

That is a pathetic excuse. On SW, graphics are often underplayed in importance in order to sound like a 'gamer' who enjoys gameplay.

Graphics are crucial in creating better experiences. Crysis had great sandbox gameplay, and I'm telling you right now it woudln't have been capable to have a similair gameplay experience without mind blowing tech behind it.

Imagine trying to render God Of War 3's epic bosses without the sufficient tech to make them so godly to look at? Half of the atmosphere and detail is killed

Even SS, an outstanding Zelda game, suffered in my eyes due to the jaggies and overall outdated look. Sure the gameplay was fun, but the brillaint artstyle wasn't done justice with the crappy Wii's hardware.

Well ok, the the same thing was said about the Wii, and I'm pretty damn sure that I can never have a good experience with it given its library. Sure, good games here and there, but it's nothing compared to other consoles, let alone PC.

Now look at the Wii U library, same thing.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Um... what? There are a ton of great first party games on the Wii.DarkLink77

I think the main criticism was that Samus never had a character to begin with, and so giving it attention and trying to act like she did was a bad move.

Game was pretty good though

Well ok, the the same thing was said about the Wii, and I'm pretty damn sure that I can never have a good experience with it given its library. Sure, good games here and there, but it's nothing compared to other consoles, let alone PC.

Now look at the Wii U library, same thing.

rjdofu

That is a pathetic excuse. On SW, graphics are often underplayed in importance in order to sound like a 'gamer' who enjoys gameplay.

Graphics are crucial in creating better experiences. Crysis had great sandbox gameplay, and I'm telling you right now it woudln't have been capable to have a similair gameplay experience without mind blowing tech behind it.

Imagine trying to render God Of War 3's epic bosses without the sufficient tech to make them so godly to look at? Half of the atmosphere and detail is killed

Even SS, an outstanding Zelda game, suffered in my eyes due to the jaggies and overall outdated look. Sure the gameplay was fun, but the brillaint artstyle wasn't done justice with the crappy Wii's hardware.

OB-47

Exactly, well said :)

Graphics alone don't make a game if the core gameplay is broken, sure, but good and eye-pleasing visuals are still a very important aspect of nearly any game, they strongly improve the immersion, create the right atmosphere of the game world and make already good games much better...

First thing most gamers notice when watching trailers and announcements for new games is the visuals, so good visuals are very important for creating a positive first impression...

And to accomplish all that, you always need good and competent hardware to back it up...

Sheep and Nintendo can try to downplay this as much as they want, but graphics strongly affect your gaming experience...

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] That's because the Gamecube was an incredible console. The N64 and the Wii were, too, in their own ways.charizard1605

I agree. Even though there were some good first party wii games..too many felt like steps backwards in the series. Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword, Super Paper Mario, were all worse than the previous games that had just came out in that series. Melee, Mario Kart DS, Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, were all better than those.. And Twilight Princess wasn't as good as windwaker, and Skyward Sword, even as much as I hated on TP over the years, made TP look MUCH better, I actually like TP a lot more because of how just bleh Skyward Sword was for me.

And then you had just games while they weren't worse they were just stagnat and didn't make anything better really. Like Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Warioland, all the mario sports games which shockingly did nothing with the Wii controls.. Well didn't do them well that is. At all.

And Twilight Princess wasn't as good as windwaker\VendettaRed07

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]

Well ok, the the same thing was said about the Wii, and I'm pretty damn sure that I can never have a good experience with it given its library. Sure, good games here and there, but it's nothing compared to other consoles, let alone PC.

Now look at the Wii U library, same thing.

nintendoboy16

Indeed. judging by zombiU mediocre graphics, the last thing about it is graphics

Indeed. judging by zombiU mediocre graphics, the last thing about it is graphics

loosingENDS

Wii U is stronger then the hd twins my friend

also mediocore graphics?I think not.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Indeed. judging by zombiU mediocre graphics, the last thing about it is graphics

free_milk

Wii U is stronger then the hd twins my friend

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Still mad, Chaz? inb4uall

When you think about it, Nintendo never really had much care put into graphics tech as they were gameplay even in the SNES, N64, and GameCube days. You know, the POWERFUL days where everyone loves them so much for (albeit hypocritically on the latter two consoles)?

that too many people are spending too much time looking at Wii U specifications rather than the games and the entertainment the system will offer consumers once its released this holiday season.super600

Isn't graphic a significant part of the experience?

So the experience being that they slapped another gimmick on games that can already done on other consoles? How much of a different experience can a second screen attached to your controller really give? Not much I bet.

The games. All about the games. The second screen peripheral will fall flat Im sure but like the Wii the games will overshadow the gimmick with untapped potential.

The games. All about the games. The second screen peripheral will fall flat Im sure but like the Wii the games will overshadow the gimmick with untapped potential.

Shirokishi_

Shouldn't that be how gaming in general goes? Sure you can get the PC with the incredible graphics but at the end of the day the best games offer you the best experiences, not necessarily the best graphics. I almost feel that's a message less for the Wii U and more for gaming in general.

I don't care what the graphics are like if a game is good, but there is nothing wrong with having both damn it.

4 of my top 10 favorite games this gen were Wii games, but I wouldn't have complained if they looked better.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Its the Wii all over again.

super600

Not in terms of hardware capabilities unless the 720 and PS4 are like 15X to 20X more powerful then the WiiU which won't happen this gen.

I think the Wii U will be very capable of handling all game genres sucessfully and wont have to sacrifice gameplay or presentation as compared to the xbox720 or PS4. Just some graphic details may have to be toned down a little. It wont be like the Wii which was so weak that it could not handle modern game design very well with certain type of games like FPS or rpgs like Oblivion or Skyrim.

I love this, you can't play graphics. Well ummm. sir... you do realize thats exactly what we play. The character models, the animations, the environment everything we SEE in the game are graphics. And as for the experience, Nintendo's out of the box, lets wave are hands like idiots "experience" hinders my experience. I loved Zelda SS, but it would have been so much better if could have not used the stupid Wii mote and used a regular controller. For one, when I play games, I like to lay down and kick back and relax, the Wii is the complete opposite of this and it's forcing me to play Zelda and such with all these garbage control schemes.

The tablet is good for me because it's getting away fromt he wii mote, but I would still rather have a regular controller.

The concern about specs seems to stem from what happened with Wii - it wasn't powerful enough to get certain games from 3rd parties(Mass Effect, Batman, Crysis, etc) and people would at least like some numbers to assure them that the same won't happen this time around. Yes, you can't 'play' graphics, but unless the game's visuals can be scaled down and the processor is capable of handling the number of characters on screen, AI, and whatnot, then specs certainly matter. This is under the assumption that the PS4 and 720 will be significantly more powerful, which we don't know for certain. Is it about the experience, though? Yes, but there is the possibility of missing out on an experience if the hardware can't handle it.

That's more or less how all systems are for me. I don't give a crap about graphics, it's all about the games.

Its the Wii all over again.

Ragnarok1051

This, and we all know that gimped hardware did not lead to more creative development for the Wii.

Better hardware allows more possiblities, there is nothing more to it. Purposefully gimping the hardware is pointless, you can make Minecraft or you can make Arma on better hardware, you can't make Arma on weak hardware so weak hardware = limited developer creativity.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Its the Wii all over again.

APiranhaAteMyVa

This, and we all know that gimped hardware did not lead to more creative development for the Wii.

Better hardware allows more possiblities, there is nothing more to it. Purposefully gimping the hardware is pointless, you can make Minecraft or you can make Arma on better hardware, you can't make Arma on weak hardware so weak hardware = limited developer creativity.

And yet there were still alot of creative and great games on Wii.

I love this, you can't play graphics. Well ummm. sir... you do realize thats exactly what we play. The character models, the animations, the environment everything we SEE in the game are graphics. And as for the experience, Nintendo's out of the box, lets wave are hands like idiots "experience" hinders my experience. I loved Zelda SS, but it would have been so much better if could have not used the stupid Wii mote and used a regular controller. For one, when I play games, I like to lay down and kick back and relax, the Wii is the complete opposite of this and it's forcing me to play Zelda and such with all these garbage control schemes.

The tablet is good for me because it's getting away fromt he wii mote, but I would still rather have a regular controller.

I'd rather have a game that has decent graphics and great gameplay than a game with superb graphics but lack-luster gameplay. Some of my favorite games of this generation are Minecraft, Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii, and none of those have amazing graphics, but they're all some of the most fun games I've ever played. In fact, I've actually played Super Smash Bros. Brawl more than any of my PlayStation 3 games, and Minecraft more than any other game besides a couple N64 games.

I know I'm sorta side-tracking, but Nintendo hasn't ever really been about having the best graphics, it's always been about making the games that are the most fun.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

That is a pathetic excuse. On SW, graphics are often underplayed in importance in order to sound like a 'gamer' who enjoys gameplay.

Graphics are crucial in creating better experiences. Crysis had great sandbox gameplay, and I'm telling you right now it woudln't have been capable to have a similair gameplay experience without mind blowing tech behind it.

Imagine trying to render God Of War 3's epic bosses without the sufficient tech to make them so godly to look at? Half of the atmosphere and detail is killed

Even SS, an outstanding Zelda game, suffered in my eyes due to the jaggies and overall outdated look. Sure the gameplay was fun, but the brillaint artstyle wasn't done justice with the crappy Wii's hardware.

Rocker6

Exactly, well said :)

Graphics alone don't make a game if the core gameplay is broken, sure, but good and eye-pleasing visuals are still a very important aspect of nearly any game, they strongly improve the immersion, create the right atmosphere of the game world and make already good games much better...

First thing most gamers notice when watching trailers and announcements for new games is the visuals, so good visuals are very important for creating a positive first impression...

And to accomplish all that, you always need good and competent hardware to back it up...

Sheep and Nintendo can try to downplay this as much as they want, but graphics strongly affect your gaming experience...

I'd rather have a game that has decent graphics and great gameplay than a game with superb graphics but lack-luster gameplay. Some of my favorite games of this generation are Minecraft, Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii, and none of those have amazing graphics, but they're all some of the most fun games I've ever played. In fact, I've actually played Super Smash Bros. Brawl more than any of my PlayStation 3 games, and Minecraft more than any other game besides a couple N64 games.

I know I'm sorta side-tracking, but Nintendo hasn't ever really been about having the best graphics, it's always been about making the games that are the most fun.

AjaxNeron

This man speaks the absolute 100% truth.

I'd rather have a game that has decent graphics and great gameplay than a game with superb graphics but lack-luster gameplay. Some of my favorite gamesI know I'm sorta side-tracking, but Nintendo hasn't ever really been about having the best graphics, it's always been about making the games that are the most fun.

AjaxNeron

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Not sure if serious. How are the ps360 dumb downed pc's and the wiiu not?Cranler

[QUOTE="AjaxNeron"]

I'd rather have a game that has decent graphics and great gameplay than a game with superb graphics but lack-luster gameplay. Some of my favorite gamesI know I'm sorta side-tracking, but Nintendo hasn't ever really been about having the best graphics, it's always been about making the games that are the most fun.

nintendoboy16

You're right, I should rephrase that. Up until the GameCube, Nintendo was actually known for its games having amazing graphics - I mean, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, right? After that, Nintendo games started to look kind of dated, especially after the GameCube.

[QUOTE="super600"]that too many people are spending too much time looking at Wii U specifications rather than the games and the entertainment the system will offer consumers once its released this holiday season.parkurtommo

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]And Twilight Princess wasn't as good as windwaker\DarkLink77

Wind Waker had better music, more exploration, it had its own unique style and gameplay mechanics. TP was pretty bland and boring. It was long and deep, and had a lot too it but a lot of it could have been cut out for the better imo. They wolf was fail, the music was super fail.. it just failed to really do anything that jumped out at me. Where as windwakers, sailing and exploration, unique style and polish was fantastic