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#51 lawlessx
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the one thing i always liked about the xbox360 was the free trial for every XBLA game. i always download and test the game before buying it so putting a pricetag on it would just ruin everything.
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#52 HavocV3
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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Game-fu"]

Lol, amen.

I thought this is why we had XBOX Live Gold?

Game-fu

I guess you both missed the part about EA charging both XBL and PSN users.. :|

I guess you missed the part where one of the advertised features of XBL Gold is free demos.

lol...Silver gets free demos.

another tool that thinks there's a direct affiliation between Gold and the demos on XBL....

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#53 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="lucky_star"] Prologue has more content than most full titles. Its not a demo.lucky_star

such as?

I wouldent call this a demo "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts"

PGR3 for example has 80 cars and its a full priced title.

Need for Speed Shift has a little over 60 cars, and 19 tracks.

So i dont think its a demo, simply prologue for fans who wait on the full title.

it's still a demo...
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#54 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Game-fu"]

Lol, amen.

I thought this is why we had XBOX Live Gold?

Game-fu

I guess you both missed the part about EA charging both XBL and PSN users.. :|

I guess you missed the part where one of the advertised features of XBL Gold is free demos.

...demos are free on XBL :?
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#55 lucky_star
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="lucky_star"]

such as? OhSnapitz

I wouldent call this a demo "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts"

PGR3 for example has 80 cars and its a full priced title.

Need for Speed Shift has a little over 60 cars, and 19 tracks.

So i dont think its a demo, simply prologue for fans who wait on the full title.

it's still a demo...

Because you say so? ok.
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#56 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="lucky_star"]

I wouldent call this a demo "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts"

PGR3 for example has 80 cars and its a full priced title.

Need for Speed Shift has a little over 60 cars, and 19 tracks.

So i dont think its a demo, simply prologue for fans who wait on the full title.

lucky_star

it's still a demo...

Because you say so? ok.

Honestly, it's an expansion pack. Not a demo, but no quite a full game either.

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#57 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="lucky_star"]

I wouldent call this a demo "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts"

PGR3 for example has 80 cars and its a full priced title.

Need for Speed Shift has a little over 60 cars, and 19 tracks.

So i dont think its a demo, simply prologue for fans who wait on the full title.

lucky_star

it's still a demo...

Because you say so? ok.

your worried that calling it a demo is somehow undermining it. It doesn't matter how much content it is; if it's not the final game it's a demo in my book.

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#58 HavocV3
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="lucky_star"]

I wouldent call this a demo "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts"

PGR3 for example has 80 cars and its a full priced title.

Need for Speed Shift has a little over 60 cars, and 19 tracks.

So i dont think its a demo, simply prologue for fans who wait on the full title.

lucky_star

it's still a demo...

Because you say so? ok.

no, it's a marketing ploy using the game's popularity to fund the main game's inflated budget?

or we can call it a demo, or an expansion pack.

A, B, C if you will.

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#59 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="Game-fu"]

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

They love to be milked so im pretty sure they will pay for it... lemmings get what they pay for right :P

OhSnapitz

Lol, amen.

I thought this is why we had XBOX Live Gold?

I guess you both missed the part about EA charging both XBL and PSN users.. :|

No i did not miss that but this thread is about if 360 users will pay for it or not...

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#60 heath005
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http://www.xblafans.com/new-pricing-for-demos-could-change-xbla-games-in-a-big-way-168.html

No chance

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Kinda ruins the point of it being a demo... Thats like checking if you like a game then ending up paying 75$ for it. They need to consider free XBL, i have PS3 and the PSN and XBL are practically the same. If XBL came out now it would be free, it made sense for it to be paid for back in the day when the 360 was out and PS3 and Wii weren't. Now this idea of paying for demos would be probably the stupidest thing to do, if at all it should be company that makes the games choice if it should be a bought demo, because they are the only ones loosing costumers if demos would cost money. Microsoft would make me disappointed, but i wouldn't be effected, but still its stupid enough for live to STILL cost money. Microsoft just has no courtesy.
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#61 LegatoSkyheart
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Simply No. I've downloaded the Trails of Perfect Dark, Bayonetta and Lost Planet 2! I don't want to pay for those! I want to pay for the Actual Game! (I almost bought Perfect Dark today),

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#62 LulMaster
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This is just Pachter speculation....and it has nothing to do with the xbox specifically.
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#63 toxicmog
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No one would pay for a demo, on any platform.
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#64 WAIW
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The people who charge for demos are going to be disappointed with their results, I expect/hope

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#65 bobberts7
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some of us technically already pay for demos i havnt got broadband and so relly on playstaion magazine for demos so im paying for it sort of but a6 pound for 15 plus demos plus magazing i think is worth it .
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#66 DethSkematik
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Yeah, I get it...devs need money, and even making a demo costs money to put up for download...I can't argue with that situation because it can't be helped...but I'm still not paying for a freaking demo! :?. Unless it does something amazing like give me bonuses when I buy the retail version, I'll pass on that idea...
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#67 Vinegar_Strokes
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the only demo i've ever paid for was GT5p and when i used to buy crap magazines for that disk on the front (although i used to steal them of the covers mostly).

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#68 Wings_008
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sure as hell i won't
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#69 fueled-system
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What a stupid idea that could be done. If your going to do that don't even call it a demo.

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#70 Twin-Blade
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Come on EA, you were doing so well. Activision is supposed to be the company ruining the gaming industry now, did you miss the memo?

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#72 erdemn
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Never Never Never! They won't see my money!
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#73 SecretPolice
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Nay.

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#74 Hathesulacon
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They're not demo's, they're like expansions BEFORE the game is released. If they're good ill buy.

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#75 reiv
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The whole point of a demo is so a company can advertise their game. A good demo can take a game from the shadows to the spotlight if it is done correctly and the demo doesn't suck, cos we will figure it out. So now we have to pay for their advertising. No thanks.
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#76 amaneuvering
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Game demo should be free.

Just like I can watch a trailer on TV or in the cinema, or online, for a film for free before I buy it. Or read a few pages of a book in the store or online for free before I buy it. Or listen to a sample of the latest song/album in a music store or on YouTube before I buy it. Etc etc etc.

To preview an interactive video game you have to be able to play it not just look at screens or watch some videos of it, this is what game demos are for, and just like the equivelant of every other entertainment medium out there it should be free.

Of course, if they are offering 7 hour long demos then that's a different thing altogether and is more like releasing a basic version of the game for slighlty cheaper and then a full priced full version of the game as an extension of that.

A better solution would be to use services like XBLA, PSN and even OnLive etc to offere time limited trials of the full game then after a certain amount of time you can no longer play the trial version but can choose to purchase the full game if you want.

I still prefere having a demo I can come back to and play time and time again, just because that works for me, but either way there are better solutions than making the customer pay to get a taste of a game imo.

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#77 weltall1028
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The sad thing about this is for all the people coming on here saying, "I won't pay for an extended demo," there will still be lots of other gamers willing to toss money at the developers whenever a AAA demo comes out. I personally would never pay for this "premium downloadable content" BS.

I am a huge fan of the Gran Turismo series, but refuse to buy GT5 Prologue. If Prologue was the first game in the series, you could compare it to other racing games. But its not the first in the series, and always had between 180 - 800 vehicles. Releasing a "game" in the series with only 70 cars sounds like an extended demo to me. By purchasing Prologue, you are telling Polyphony Digital, and every other developer out there that it is OK to do this kind of stuff in the future.

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#78 ZuneHD
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you confuse us for ps3 gamers who pay $40 for demos :P

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#80 SUD123456
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TC, shouldn't you edit the thread title to be Will Gamers Pay for Demos, seeing as the story you linked to is not platform specific?

And heck no, paying for GT5p...err...I mean demos is ludicrous.

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#81 Ravensmash
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Ridiculous idea. I love demos because they allow me to try new games I hadn't really thought about, give me something different/interesting to play, and some can persuade me to purchase, or repurchase a game. Developers don't have to put out a demo, and I bet the extra expenses from making one are easily made up from improved sales/hype. It's essentially an advert/promotional tool, why should I pay you for a trial of a game so I can maybe buy it later? It doesn't matter if it's bigger, or lasts longer than older demos - it's not particularly necessary, just another way to try and get money from gamers, and that's the only way I can see this. There is nothing positive about it.
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#82 mariokart64fan
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first they talkabout rasing xbox live price to 62-75 per year ,

now they want to start charging for demos to? talk about getting nickled and dimed! i regret paying for gtprologue

,, that being said , i refuse tomake the same mistake tw ice especally since we pay enough already 99 to get started-wifi ,50 for multiplayer

then when a developer chooses to leave features out and charge us 5 dollars for it weshell out there to

-resident evil 5

nowthey really are destroying this industry inch by inch pretty soon theyll make us pay to play a game period-look at onlive! your charged for the service-whcih means your being charged even if you dontwant ityou cant playy our games unless you subscribe so may be we are gonna see somtihng similar and boy thats the day i quit

enough is enoughpretty soon buying a game console will be as expensive as owning a house! isnt there a thing on mses console that we dont pay for!

seriously lets make a list shall we

-wifi-100

- headset-20

-componants-20

online play-currently 50 but couldraise to 75

-dlc thats mostly content left out of thegame-re5 -5 bucks and as ridculouly high as 1200-cod6

-themes and gamerpics and avatar quipment-20-180

-music videos-now the later is really a rip off seeing as their free on youtube or mtv.com etc

- repair billls by microsoft-how many ofus had to buy a newconsole cause it breaks

and ms refuses to repair it -i think i should include this because its bound to happen

possiblefuture costs

-demos-ridiculous

- singleplayer (believe me if ms is desperate enough tocharge for demosetc what makes you thinkthey wont stoop tothis low) onlive already has

and lets not forget silly add ons

-natal

- cam same as natal with less features

-keyboard -oculdnt theyallow pc keyboard to be used shesh

- their expensive priority hard drives(unless you want to be restricted to 32 gigs of space

seriously , every xbox 1 had hard drives

and everything else was not needed!

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[QUOTE="PSP107"]

http://www.xblafans.com/new-pricing-for-demos-could-change-xbla-games-in-a-big-way-168.html

No chance

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Kinda ruins the point of it being a demo... Thats like checking if you like a game then ending up paying 75$ for it. They need to consider free XBL, i have PS3 and the PSN and XBL are practically the same. If XBL came out now it would be free, it made sense for it to be paid for back in the day when the 360 was out and PS3 and Wii weren't. Now this idea of paying for demos would be probably the stupidest thing to do, if at all it should be company that makes the games choice if it should be a bought demo, because they are the only ones loosing costumers if demos would cost money. Microsoft would make me disappointed, but i wouldn't be effected, but still its stupid enough for live to STILL cost money. Microsoft just has no courtesy.

I swear sometimes fanboys boggle my mind.. :| READ THE ARTICLE!!! It's E - FEAKING - A who are considering charging for the demos NOT M$. And it's pitched for XBL AND PSN.
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#84 SF_KiLLaMaN
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I have a 360 and I don't even pay for live. So no.
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#85 PSP107
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

TC, shouldn't you edit the thread title to be Will Gamers Pay for Demos, seeing as the story you linked to is not platform specific?

And heck no, paying for GT5p...err...I mean demos is ludicrous.

i actually thought about it but ur the only one who noticed
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#86 jasonharris48
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Not a chance.

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#87 shawn7324
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Wow what massive failure for several posters in this thread. Dogging MS & Xbox fans over this when the article clearly states it will not be all demos but only those for Electronic Arts games & they plan to do so not only on Xbox Live but on the Playstation Network as well. LOL at the blind fanboys in this thread.

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#88 shawn7324
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This isn't your typical demo anyways. If you read the article they have ideas like 1 to 2 hour campaigns released as prologues to an upcoming game, so this wouldn't actually be part of the game itself. So really it would be more like normal DLC.

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#89 rolo107
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Paid demo, and a free demo. Paid is, as said, more like BF1943 in content amount, and a free demo like any other regular demo. It seems reasonable to me, as long as the paid demo is new content.
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#90 PSP107
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This isn't your typical demo anyways. If you read the article they have ideas like 1 to 2 hour campaigns released as prologues to an upcoming game, so this wouldn't actually be part of the game itself. So really it would be more like normal DLC.

shawn7324
then it would seem like ur paying $1-10 for the demo and then your paying another $60.
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#91 nitsud_19
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[QUOTE="Funconsole"]Simple logic here. Give me free demo...I buy full game. Give me paid demo...I dont buy game* *Some exceptions apply!*IWKYB
Tell that to the GT5 people that will see their game in 5 years!

Guess you haven't realized that Polyphony has released Prologues for other GT games... kids... :P

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#92 PAL360
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

They love to be milked so im pretty sure they will pay for it... lemmings get what they pay for right :P

XboximusPrime

Can someone explain to me why SONY fanboys are called cows, when this gen I think 360 fans have been milked the most? I call for a name change.

Well, nothing beats GT5P :P

On topic, i would never pay for a demo. I dont even pay for DLCs.

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#93 Heil68
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I won't pay for ANY demo and if it's not a Top Tier game they may just loose a sale if I can't try it first.
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#94 PSP107
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alot of GT comments, why?
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#95 OhSnapitz
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alot of GT comments, why?PSP107
GT Prologue was essentially a very elaborate demo for $40. YES. They gave you a lot for a demo but it's not the full game. And for those saying "You got teh 70 cars and 12 tracks.." Ok so if I bought prologue for $40 does that mean when GT5 releases later this year it'll be $20? :| NO. It'll be $60 with the same material you purchased in prologue.. Meaning you just paid $100 for the GT5 PS3 experience. (I really hope I'm wrong on this one).
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#96 PSP107
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[QUOTE="PSP107"]alot of GT comments, why?OhSnapitz
GT Prologue was essentially a very elaborate demo for $40. YES. They gave you a lot for a demo but it's not the full game. And for those saying "You got teh 70 cars and 12 tracks.." Ok so if I bought prologue for $40 does that mean when GT5 releases later this year it'll be $20? :| NO. It'll be $60 with the same material you purchased in prologue.. Meaning you just paid $100 for the GT5 PS3 experience. (I really hope I'm wrong on this one).

Thats messed up then.
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#97 lawlessx
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first they talkabout rasing xbox live price to 62-75 per year ,

now they want to start charging for demos to? hard drives

and everything else was not needed!

mariokart64fan
you should actually READ the article :roll: .
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#98 silversix_
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LOL if this happen i'll **** a 12pounder on the person who came with that idea... Demos are here for a reason why the hell would some1 pay money to try a game that they'll buy soon?
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#99 MyNameisaMeme
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They already do pay for demos. Xbox Live Gold exclusives?
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#100 PSP107
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what you mean