Will DirectX 12 Help the Xbox 1?

GDC will introduce the tools and a few other things.

E3 will show us what these tools can do in the games. It's going to be very interesting.

Xbox One is DirectX12 most beloved piece of tech.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. wait for March 20 GDC event for some info.

You'll have to wait until the E3 like everyone else. lol!!

You just will, gawd.

oh, tales from your ass, gotcha :P

MS are gonna need all the help they can get I suppose. Especially for whats coming.

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

We've got a live one!

Even digital foundry mentioned the bonaire GPU in their Titanfall performance review.

thats why i said bonaire card = current DirectX 11 tech.

but wheres the DX12 tech? locked by MS SDK software?

what about if Hardware tiled resources will make the single bonaire act like 2 gpus instead of one with DX12?

Paralelo paralelo, translate that to english.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

are you sure you're understanding what you're typing lol

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

New tech is always unpreditable bro,. u dont cant even guess it right by how complex it is.

Unless theres some confirmation by the makers itself.

Lol sounds like MisterX fodder, from research I don't think it will do much Hardware wise, Software is where MS excels and I would expect to kind of see it in there.

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

What does AMD have to do with DX12?... Its called Microsoft DirectX.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

What does AMD have to do with DX12?... Its called Microsoft DirectX.

but the Xbox One hardware that Powers Microsoft DX12 is.

It'll definitely help but I wouldn't call an API "secret sauce". It's not like Sony couldn't implement DX12 and OpenGL 4.5 features into their existing API's.

It's a damn API. It can extended at any time.

LOL I just took a brief visit. The Witcher 3 is now Xbone and PC only now. Holy christ *rolls eyes*

"My man..."

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

What does AMD have to do with DX12?... Its called Microsoft DirectX.

but the hardware that Powers DX12 is.

...

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

What does AMD have to do with DX12?... Its called Microsoft DirectX.

but the hardware that Powers DX12 is.

...

If you dont fkn know about Tech then why u keep quoting me with Gifs?

Still trying to hit my nerve and failing.

I should add that an upgraded API can be used to take advantage new hardware but that doesn't necessary mean there's secret sauce in those products as API's, especially DX, can used on a wide variety of products.

If I were to guess, Microsoft's big announcement will be that DX12 will be supported across all Mircosoft platforms - Windows Phone, Windows, and Xbox.

I just know people are setting themselves up for massive disappointment because it's going to be more like you've just described. You have no idea how much hyperbole is surrounding thursday, it's amazing. Will be such a fun day for internet forums :P.

If it does anything to improve the developer's toolkit and make developing for the platform easier or more streamlined, it will certainly help the Xbone's state.

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

What does AMD have to do with DX12?... Its called Microsoft DirectX.

but the hardware that Powers DX12 is.

...

If you dont fkn know about Tech then why u keep quoting me with Gifs?

Really?...

Microsoft DirectX is a API that belongs to you guessed it Microsoft. AMD has no say in its release the two companies are in direct competition with each other... Since AMD released Mantle which is the main push for DX12 to compete against Mantle.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We fanboys dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware,

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

NDA?...

So Microsoft would sue them selves if they broke the NDA...

AMD ndas. sorry.

What does AMD have to do with DX12?... Its called Microsoft DirectX.

but the hardware that Powers DX12 is.

...

If you dont fkn know about Tech then why u keep quoting me with Gifs?

Really?...

Microsoft DirectX is a API that belongs to you guessed it Microsoft. AMD has no say in its release the two companies are in direct competition with each other... Since AMD released Mantle which is the main push for DX12 to compete against Mantle.

I never said DirectX api was owned by AMD, please show me where i did so i can correct it.

ITT no one other than Wasdie even knows what directX is

I am talking to a brick wall.

You are under the impression that the reason why Microsoft didn't release DX12 with Xbox One is because the Xbox One uses AMD hardware.

Click on the link I sent you... Here it is again in case your as capable at scrolling a mouse wheel as you are reading.

Read the following:

They also say that Microsoft's "close to the metal" lower-level access API is a relatively new project

You see the reason why isn't because of a NDA... Its because it never existed when the Xbox One was in development.

I have a feeling this is what it is going to be as well.

Never Doubt Microsoft when it comes to surprises.

No it won't help Xbone, but lemmings did fall for the Cloud. Microsoft just needs stupid people to jump off the cliff for them, and what do lemmings do?

You people keep ignoring facts:

The last time sony and AMD was together talking about the tech in the ps4 has been Feb-Mar the ps4 launched in NOV no major updates no driver SDK, from AMD at all. FACT

X1 launched in Nov AMD and MS been close ever since the catalyst drivers beta 14.1 came in Dec X1 got an update right after that did the ps4? NO

Catalyst drivers 14.2 in feb X1 got on in march did the ps4? NO

AMD shows Mantle Swarm benchmarks MS puts out a new SDK for Devs did the ps4? NO

AMD Tweet 2isbetterthan1 the sending pics asking is this an AMD or MS REP wheres the ps4?

MS and AMD are right on time with each other with sony no where to be found now why all of that hoopla just for a 7790 with some esram connected to it?

They were supposed to release in 2014 but they didn't want Sony to have 7-8 million console lead..so they had a "soft" release. Also everything had to be rewritten so they could remove the always online drm awesomeness. So the first wave of games, including Titanfall are only using the a fraction of the "system". Exciting time for gamer's ahead.

Plus I think Sony's APU is not anything AMD has revealed yet either. It's probably has some "secret sauce" too.

Not even god himself can help Xboner:P

Cows get excited for games, lems get excited for drivers to slightly improve their crap hardware.

Pretty sad tbh.

It's magical pixie dust that will make the Xbone go from a 1.2TF piece of shit to a 5+TF BEAST.

I know this because misterxmedia told me so.

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@misterpmedia said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@misterpmedia said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

If DX12 features are hardware specific then the Xbox One would have been manufactured with that in mind... Meaning why would Microsoft hold that back until know?... Short answer scam.

Company NDA bro,

We dont know yet if DX12 will unlock some hardware that was meant for DX12 instead of the current tech like DirectX11 hardware like the bonaire card.

lets wait until GDC technology event for that - March 20 2014.

We've got a live one!

Even digital foundry mentioned the bonaire GPU in their Titanfall performance review.

thats why i said bonaire card = current DirectX 11 tech.

but wheres the DX12 tech? locked by MS SDK software?

what about if Hardware tiled resources will make the single bonaire act like 2 gpus instead of one with DX12?

are you sure you're understanding what you're typing lol

Never Doubt Microsoft when it comes to surprises.

None of that means anything, you posted a picture of a "Top Secret Envelope" A DX12 Logo and the Xbox One Logo, I'm going with earlier thoughts that it will help the Xbox by making it easier but hardware is hardware and Xbox is still weaker than the PS4, I don't think it'll be a bad thing for Xbox but honestly, it;s going to be in favour of PC more than Xbox.

you both have good points.

looking forward to seeing what - if anything at all - happens.

exactly it never came,

lemmings live in a floating timeline akin to the simpsons.

the xbox one was only powerful when Maggie shot mr burns

what it will do

-make games look a little better

what it will not do

-turn xbone into a supercomputah like lems think it will

Man console owners in this thread are stupid...

DirectX 12 will not make a blind difference to Xbone because the API it currently uses it much lower level, streamlined and efficient compared to DirectX 12. DirectX12 is mainly to reduce the CPU overhead and enable more efficient coding on the PC platform.

Unless you Xbones want a more bloated, less efficient API on Xbone????

And as for people grasping at pure bullshit over this 2 is better then 1 hype thinking it's console related and it's a super secret secondary GPU?? Get fucking real, everyone in the PC space knows that 2 is better then 1 is referring to the new dual GPU HD R295 that's on the horizon and has jack shit to do with your precious console.

@WilliamRLBaker: Oh man, I forgot all about my upside down PS1. Good stuff!

As for the topic, that seems to be the claim anyhow... And we won't know til we see. I'm a bit skeptical in that :

1: As stated earlier new DX versions tend to be More resource demanding, not less.

2: standardized hardware (like a console) is supposed to allow devs to code "closer to the metal" than an API like directx would allow anyhow.

I look forward to seeing the presentation anyhow. For PC purposes if nothing else.

DirectX 12 is basically Microsoft's "Mantle" like API.

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DirectX: Direct3D Futures (Presented by Microsoft) Max McMullen | Development Lead, Windows Graphics, From http://schedule.gdconf.com/session-id/828181

Location: Room 2002, West Hall Date: Thursday, March 20 Time: 4:00pm-5:00pm

"Come learn how future changes to Direct3D will enable next generation games to run faster than ever before! In this session we will discuss future improvements in Direct3D that will allow developers an unprecedented level of hardware control and reduced CPU rendering overhead across a broad ecosystem of hardware. If you use cutting-edge 3D graphics in your games, middleware, or engines and want to efficiently build rich and immersive visuals, you don't want to miss this talk."

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Direct3D and the Future of Graphics APIs (Presented by AMD), From http://schedule.gdconf.com/session-id/828412

Johan Andersson | Technical Director, Frostbite

Dan Baker | Partner, Oxide Games

Dave Oldcorn | Software Engineering Fellow, AMD

Location: Room 3020, West Hall Date: Thursday, March 20 Time: 5:30pm-6:30pm

"In this session AMDs Dave Oldcorn, Frostbite technical Director Johan Andersson and Oxides Dan Baker will look at how new Direct3D advancements enhance efficiency and enable fully-threaded building of command buffers. They will demonstrate how AMD is using its recent experience in efficient graphics API design and its partnership with Microsoft to provide developers with the infrastructure to render next-generation graphics workloads at full performance. This presentation also discusses the best ways to exploit AMD hardware under heavy load and will invite developers to influence driver and hardware development."

Both AMD and Microsoft will talk about (with AMD/EA/Oxide demonstration) DirectX 12.

If anything, the only thing DX12 on the XBone would do is help the PC since it'll make it easier to port dx12 xbone games to a dx12 pc. Infact, that could help avoid what happened this last gen with how long it took for PC to adapt to DX11.

@Wasdie:

Xbox One has it's own SDK/driver improvements e.g. enabling it's ACE units and second render pipeline.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-microsoft-to-unlock-more-gpu-power-for-xbox-one-developers

"In addition to asynchronous compute queues, the Xbox One hardware supports two concurrent render pipes," Goossen pointed out. "The two render pipes can allow the hardware to render title content at high priority while concurrently rendering system content at low priority. The GPU hardware scheduler is designed to maximise throughput and automatically fills 'holes' in the high-priority processing. This can allow the system rendering to make use of the ROPs for fill, for example, while the title is simultaneously doing synchronous compute operations on the compute units."

It's unknown if DirectX12 will unlock AMD's ACE units and NVIDIA's HyperQ features for gaming async compute.

Both AMD ACE and NVIDIA HyperQ fills holes during sync compute.

People who think everything will be shown at the GDC is setting themselves up for disappointment. I'm sure there will be tech demos and all that, but any big news concerning XB1 won't happen until the E3. I'm curious to see what Dx12 can do as well.

AMD GCN exceeds OpenGL and DirectX APIs.

Read http://timothylottes.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/notes-on-amd-gcn-isa.html

DX and GL are years behind in API design compared to what is possible on GCN. For instance there is no need for the CPU to do any binding for a traditional material system with unique shaders/textures/samplers/buffers associated with geometry. Going to the metal on GCN, it would be trivial to pass a 32-bit index from the vertex shader to the pixel shader, then use the 32-bit index and S_BUFFER_LOAD_DWORDX16 to get constants, samplers, textures, buffers, and shaders associated with the material. Do a S_SETPC to branch to the proper shader.

This kind of system would use a set of uber-shaders grouped by material shader register usage. So all objects sharing a given uber-shader can get drawn in say one draw call (draw as many views as you have GPU perf for). No need for traditional vertex attributes either, again just one S_SETPC branch in the vertex shader and manually fetch what is needed from buffers or textures...

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Short answer: MS/AMD run out time for Xbox One's release dead line. At the same time, AMD was designing/helping Sony with their PS4's APIs.