Will Microsoft Kinect be canned?

The real world will eat this up, has it ever entered your mind that maybe this product like so many other in the market place just weren't made with you in mind or core gamers in general? As far as fanboys go, I;m a PC gamer I could care less. I'm simply a fan of the tech, THE TECH IS AMAZING. Growing up playing duck hunt I would have fell in love with something like this.i5750at4Ghz

The real world likes every gadget "in theory", the question becomes "will they pay $150 for it?" or, for those who don't own a 360, "will they pay $350 for it?"... and we don't know that yet. Please stop assuming you know my motivations, know what I enjoy in gaming, or that I haven't considered all angles. This strategy is far more risky than Microsoft would like to have their shareholders believe. They're entering a crowded market, going against the Wii, have their competition introducing the Move, and have to struggle to establish brand identity. The short-term won't tell us crap, and yes, there is a negative backlash, C|NET has a few articles absolutely ripping Microsoft.

For anyone who defends this, I would like you to post your motivation for doing so. If Microsoft isn't sending you a check, why do you care if people attack the device? How does it harm you? Deep down inside, are you worried it will fail? Are you worried the skeptical voices will cause it to fail?

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] The real world will eat this up, has it ever entered your mind that maybe this product like so many other in the market place just weren't made with you in mind or core gamers in general? As far as fanboys go, I;m a PC gamer I could care less. I'm simply a fan of the tech, THE TECH IS AMAZING. Growing up playing duck hunt I would have fell in love with something like this.subrosian

The real world likes every gadget "in theory", the question becomes "will they pay $150 for it?" or, for those who don't own a 360, "will they pay $350 for it?"... and we don't know that yet. Please stop assuming you know my motivations, know what I enjoy in gaming, or that I haven't considered all angles. This strategy is far more risky than Microsoft would like to have their shareholders believe. They're entering a crowded market, going against the Wii, have their competition introducing the Move, and have to struggle to establish brand identity. The short-term won't tell us crap, and yes, there is a negative backlash, C|NET has a few articles absolutely ripping Microsoft.

For anyone who defends this, I would like you to post your motivation for doing so. If Microsoft isn't sending you a check, why do you care if people attack the device? How does it harm you? Deep down inside, are you worried it will fail? Are you worried the skeptical voices will cause it to fail?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

FACT: Dance Central supports more than 2 people.

wolverine4262

Though the game won't offer two-player simultaneous play, the game does feature a multiplayer mode called "dance battle."

They can dance along or whatever, but they're not being tracked. And from the sound of it the dance battle mode is sequential two player rather than simultaneous two player.

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] The real world will eat this up, has it ever entered your mind that maybe this product like so many other in the market place just weren't made with you in mind or core gamers in general? As far as fanboys go, I;m a PC gamer I could care less. I'm simply a fan of the tech, THE TECH IS AMAZING. Growing up playing duck hunt I would have fell in love with something like this.genaroll

The real world likes every gadget "in theory", the question becomes "will they pay $150 for it?" or, for those who don't own a 360, "will they pay $350 for it?"... and we don't know that yet. Please stop assuming you know my motivations, know what I enjoy in gaming, or that I haven't considered all angles. This strategy is far more risky than Microsoft would like to have their shareholders believe. They're entering a crowded market, going against the Wii, have their competition introducing the Move, and have to struggle to establish brand identity. The short-term won't tell us crap, and yes, there is a negative backlash, C|NET has a few articles absolutely ripping Microsoft.

For anyone who defends this, I would like you to post your motivation for doing so. If Microsoft isn't sending you a check, why do you care if people attack the device? How does it harm you? Deep down inside, are you worried it will fail? Are you worried the skeptical voices will cause it to fail?

Because consumers are stupid when they don't realize that there are tons of better products out there than what Apple makes. That's why Apple is still in business.

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

atarigrad

very true, people are so closed minded in here they want you to think KINECT is just a glorified Eyetoy instead of wanting something that is going to push the envelope in technology. They are scared, and so would I be if I was a cow. Kinect is going to destory Move in sales and is going to be built on and doing things that closed minded people wont know of until its in there face. Kinda reminds me of the days when people used to say the INTERNET was a bad thing and you should just read the paper. lol oh classic sig worthy stuff here.

Wow..."agent of propagnda"...maybe you should chill. MS is working to allow users to sit at launch. This has been said by MS and many publications. WAIT AND SEE....wolverine4262

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] The real world will eat this up, has it ever entered your mind that maybe this product like so many other in the market place just weren't made with you in mind or core gamers in general? As far as fanboys go, I;m a PC gamer I could care less. I'm simply a fan of the tech, THE TECH IS AMAZING. Growing up playing duck hunt I would have fell in love with something like this.subrosian

The real world likes every gadget "in theory", the question becomes "will they pay $150 for it?" or, for those who don't own a 360, "will they pay $350 for it?"... and we don't know that yet. Please stop assuming you know my motivations, know what I enjoy in gaming, or that I haven't considered all angles. This strategy is far more risky than Microsoft would like to have their shareholders believe. They're entering a crowded market, going against the Wii, have their competition introducing the Move, and have to struggle to establish brand identity. The short-term won't tell us crap, and yes, there is a negative backlash, C|NET has a few articles absolutely ripping Microsoft.

For anyone who defends this, I would like you to post your motivation for doing so. If Microsoft isn't sending you a check, why do you care if people attack the device? How does it harm you? Deep down inside, are you worried it will fail? Are you worried the skeptical voices will cause it to fail?

Console gaming is the only market place where I have seen this type of foolish attitude.

The people can dance along, but Dance Central only supports a single player mode and a competitive mode.

Though the game won't offer two-player simultaneous play, the game does feature a multiplayer mode called "dance battle."

They can dance along or whatever, but they're not being tracked. And from the sound of it the dance battle mode is sequential two player rather than simultaneous two player.

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]unless ign is wrong: "You don't have to dance alone like a sad maniac, either. Kinect is capable of tracking multiple people so it is possible to play with one lead dancer and several backup crew members. " BTW, before i read this i thought dance central supported one player.subrosian

Wow..."agent of propagnda"...maybe you should chill. MS is working to allow users to sit at launch. This has been said by MS and many publications. WAIT AND SEE....wolverine4262

yeah and when people are spending 150 and loving it there will be skeptics as well. MS can do what they want, they have a pretty good track record, actually your enter button proves that when you reply

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

atarigrad

I think that Kinect has been executed horribly thus far, but anybody who thinks that they will can it is delusional.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] The real world will eat this up, has it ever entered your mind that maybe this product like so many other in the market place just weren't made with you in mind or core gamers in general? As far as fanboys go, I;m a PC gamer I could care less. I'm simply a fan of the tech, THE TECH IS AMAZING. Growing up playing duck hunt I would have fell in love with something like this.i5750at4Ghz

The real world likes every gadget "in theory", the question becomes "will they pay $150 for it?" or, for those who don't own a 360, "will they pay $350 for it?"... and we don't know that yet. Please stop assuming you know my motivations, know what I enjoy in gaming, or that I haven't considered all angles. This strategy is far more risky than Microsoft would like to have their shareholders believe. They're entering a crowded market, going against the Wii, have their competition introducing the Move, and have to struggle to establish brand identity. The short-term won't tell us crap, and yes, there is a negative backlash, C|NET has a few articles absolutely ripping Microsoft.

For anyone who defends this, I would like you to post your motivation for doing so. If Microsoft isn't sending you a check, why do you care if people attack the device? How does it harm you? Deep down inside, are you worried it will fail? Are you worried the skeptical voices will cause it to fail?

Console gaming is the only market place where I have seen this type of foolish attitude.

I have better sources than second-hand information on the internet. You're speculation on what Microsoft is or isn't doing is just that - speculation - and until such a time as Microsoft puts their guarantee on it, what you're doing is spreading propaganda. Don't attack the skeptics, they have every right to raise questions about something MS wants them to spend $150 on. Let Microsoft answer those questions.subrosian

[QUOTE="atarigrad"]

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

Tyrant156

[QUOTE="atarigrad"]

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

Tyrant156

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

The real world likes every gadget "in theory", the question becomes "will they pay $150 for it?" or, for those who don't own a 360, "will they pay $350 for it?"... and we don't know that yet. Please stop assuming you know my motivations, know what I enjoy in gaming, or that I haven't considered all angles. This strategy is far more risky than Microsoft would like to have their shareholders believe. They're entering a crowded market, going against the Wii, have their competition introducing the Move, and have to struggle to establish brand identity. The short-term won't tell us crap, and yes, there is a negative backlash, C|NET has a few articles absolutely ripping Microsoft.

For anyone who defends this, I would like you to post your motivation for doing so. If Microsoft isn't sending you a check, why do you care if people attack the device? How does it harm you? Deep down inside, are you worried it will fail? Are you worried the skeptical voices will cause it to fail?

Ravensmash

Console gaming is the only market place where I have seen this type of foolish attitude.

I'm probably not going to buy Kinect day 1 (if ever, that depends on how it's implemented) - but who cares?!

There's millions out there potentially who'll love this product, and it'll introduce them to something we love - gaming. How that's a bad thing, I don't know.

Tons of crappy games out there that no one gives a damn about, except for people & posters on gaming sites like i5750at4Ghz.

[QUOTE="atarigrad"]

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

ProjectNatalFan

very true, people are so closed minded in here they want you to think KINECT is just a glorified Eyetoy instead of wanting something that is going to push the envelope in technology. They are scared, and so would I be if I was a cow. Kinect is going to destory Move in sales and is going to be built on and doing things that closed minded people wont know of until its in there face. Kinda reminds me of the days when people used to say the INTERNET was a bad thing and you should just read the paper. lol oh classic sig worthy stuff here.

If this kinect can read all the details they claim. It will make wii fit and ea active look like a joke! You won't be able to cheat on exercises. It will provide something not even DVD fitness programs can.. One on one feedback that is accurate! Plus Dance Central will be so big it will make Just Dance look like a kiddy game. It will be as big as Rockband! I own all three consoles. I can't wait for kinect.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] IGN is, in fact, incorrect. If you have to cite IGN to defend a point, I'd run from it. For example, I'm scared to get 3DS coverage from IGN (even though I was massively impressed by the 3DS) because one of the major editors for their Nintendo coverage is married to a Nintendo employee. Conflict of interest much? Absolutely... and that's not even getting into the gifts they accept from publishers and advertising arrangements they make to get out early reviews.... [QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Wow..."agent of propagnda"...maybe you should chill. MS is working to allow users to sit at launch. This has been said by MS and many publications. WAIT AND SEE....ProjectNatalFan

yeah and when people are spending 150 and loving it there will be skeptics as well. MS can do what they want, they have a pretty good track record, actually your enter button proves that when you reply

Yes, they can do what they want. But that doesn't mean everybody has to love Kinect.

Also, track record is meaningless when it comes to motion control. They are still new to it, so why would anybody care about their track record?

Lastly, one can use their track record to say that the hardware might be faulty, so you probably don't want to go down that route.

A single Kinect game costs 60$, so yea, it is going to flop hard. Casuals can just buy a Wii with Wii Sports Resort and be done with it, all for just 200$. I highly doubt they are willing to spend 150$, plus 60$ per a single game just for some exercise.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] I defend it for one huge reason. More gaming options is never a bad thing. You don't go to the grocery store and say please stop stocking everything other than captain crunch, because that's all I like to eat. You simply buy captain crunch and ignore the rest. Should McDonalds discontinue the happy meal, since it's not teh HARDCORE. Should Nvidia stop making low end graphics cards, since they can't play the HARDCORE games?

Console gaming is the only market place where I have seen this type of foolish attitude.

garland51

I'm probably not going to buy Kinect day 1 (if ever, that depends on how it's implemented) - but who cares?!

There's millions out there potentially who'll love this product, and it'll introduce them to something we love - gaming. How that's a bad thing, I don't know.

Tons of crappy games out there that no one gives a damn about, except for posters like i5750at4Ghz.

The funny thing is I don't even own a 360, lol.

[QUOTE="Tyrant156"][QUOTE="atarigrad"]

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

genaroll

[QUOTE="subrosian"] I have better sources than second-hand information on the internet. You're speculation on what Microsoft is or isn't doing is just that - speculation - and until such a time as Microsoft puts their guarantee on it, what you're doing is spreading propaganda. Don't attack the skeptics, they have every right to raise questions about something MS wants them to spend $150 on. Let Microsoft answer those questions.wolverine4262

Although I don't like what I've seen of Kinect so far, I think this post is pretty on the money.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] I defend it for one huge reason. More gaming options is never a bad thing. You don't go to the grocery store and say please stop stocking everything other than captain crunch, because that's all I like to eat. You simply buy captain crunch and ignore the rest. Should McDonalds discontinue the happy meal, since it's not teh HARDCORE. Should Nvidia stop making low end graphics cards, since they can't play the HARDCORE games?

Console gaming is the only market place where I have seen this type of foolish attitude.

garland51

I'm probably not going to buy Kinect day 1 (if ever, that depends on how it's implemented) - but who cares?!

There's millions out there potentially who'll love this product, and it'll introduce them to something we love - gaming. How that's a bad thing, I don't know.

Tons of crappy games out there that no one gives a damn about, except for posters like i5750at4Ghz.

No, at this point, they're pot committed. Even if its a complete failure, they have too much invested and have to recoup it as much as possible, even if it means selling something that's doomed to fail. I don't think it will do well, but I think it'll have some measured success.

Where do people get the idea that casual is synonymous with completely functionally retarded.

"Casuals" will not "eat this up" if its functionality is broken, or its software is not compelling enough. Casuals will not buy this just so they can close their eyes and pretend they're playing with Tony Stark's house.

Casuals will only buy this if they see a sufficient value proposition from the purchase. And this is a market which probably don't currently have a 360, so the value proposition has to be worthwhile for $300+. Otherwise they'll just continue to buy Wiis.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"] I have better sources than second-hand information on the internet. You're speculation on what Microsoft is or isn't doing is just that - speculation - and until such a time as Microsoft puts their guarantee on it, what you're doing is spreading propaganda. Don't attack the skeptics, they have every right to raise questions about something MS wants them to spend $150 on. Let Microsoft answer those questions.GreySeal9

Although I don't like what I've seen of Kinect so far, I think this post is pretty on the money.

Where do people get the idea that casual is synonymous with completely functionally retarded.shinrabanshou

If you go by what is posted on SW, casuals are dummies with horrible taste.

It actually pretty disgusting how some people think about casuals on this board. You'd think that not being into gaming in a hardcore way means that they are organisms with a single brain cell or or a bunch of zombies aimlessly buying things that they'd magically be uninterested in if they spent more time on gaming.

Where do people get the idea that casual is synonymous with completely functionally retarded.

"Casuals" will not "eat this up" if its functionality is broken, or its software is not compelling enough. Casuals will not buy this just so they can close their eyes and pretend they're playing with Tony Stark's house.

Casuals will only buy this if they see a sufficient value proposition from the purchase. And this is a market which probably don't currently have a 360, so the value proposition has to be worthwhile for $300+. Otherwise they'll just continue to buy Wiis.

shinrabanshou

Where do people get the idea that casual is synonymous with completely functionally retarded.

"Casuals" will not "eat this up" if its functionality is broken, or its software is not compelling enough. Casuals will not buy this just so they can close their eyes and pretend they're playing with Tony Stark's house.

Casuals will only buy this if they see a sufficient value proposition from the purchase. And this is a market which probably don't currently have a 360, so the value proposition has to be worthwhile for $300+. Otherwise they'll just continue to buy Wiis.

shinrabanshou

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

atarigrad

[QUOTE="atarigrad"]

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

Fuhgeddabouditt

Actually, you can't.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Where do people get the idea that casual is synonymous with completely functionally retarded.

"Casuals" will not "eat this up" if its functionality is broken, or its software is not compelling enough. Casuals will not buy this just so they can close their eyes and pretend they're playing with Tony Stark's house.

Casuals will only buy this if they see a sufficient value proposition from the purchase. And this is a market which probably don't currently have a 360, so the value proposition has to be worthwhile for $300+. Otherwise they'll just continue to buy Wiis.

Ravensmash

I would presume these pre-orders are from early adopters among the current 360 install base who want a really expensive remote control replacement, or are hoping for better software in future.

The casual market fits more into the early and late majority in the diffusion of innovations model, rather than the early adopter group.

I don't like motion controls one bit and all this Kinect and Move stuff is really just dumb, I'm worried about the day where games are so casual that I won't even want to be a gamer anymore.

No, seeing as how it'll sell more than Twilight's unpublished manuscript highlighting Edward's bi-curious phase.

felipebo

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Where do people get the idea that casual is synonymous with completely functionally retarded.

"Casuals" will not "eat this up" if its functionality is broken, or its software is not compelling enough. Casuals will not buy this just so they can close their eyes and pretend they're playing with Tony Stark's house.

Casuals will only buy this if they see a sufficient value proposition from the purchase. And this is a market which probably don't currently have a 360, so the value proposition has to be worthwhile for $300+. Otherwise they'll just continue to buy Wiis.

shinrabanshou

I would presume these pre-orders are from early adopters among the current 360 install base who want a really expensive remote control replacement, or are hoping for better software in future.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="atarigrad"]

So Dance Central and Ubisoft's exercise game plus kinectimals are negative feedback? Kinect will be a HUGE seller. Mark my words. It is so much more advanced than PS Move. It's funny how Sony always makes fun of what they are afraid of!

GreySeal9

Actually, you can't.

Can you link me to some of this negative feedback please?

Shirokishi_

http://screwattack.com/videos/Exclusive-Microsoft-Press-Conference-Recap

An average user rated score of 10.1

I find the premise appealing, but I can't see how its capabilities will be amalgamated into games without some being a thinly disguised gimmick or watered-down party game, but then again I'm not a game designer.

Let's hope developers don't simply replicate current gaming genres and implement gimmicky controls. Surely there must be some innovators out there that can harness its potential in new and wonderful ways. Here's hoping anyway…

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"] I'm probably more causal than anyone here and I can tell you Kinect will bomb after its launch. Kinectimals will not help Kinect but I do have a feeling the only thing helping it is Dance Central and that game is looking worst every time I see a new gp vid of it (repeating dance moves on different songs). Ubisoft exercise game will not push anyone away from whoever owns Wii Fit and Wii Fit plus. I'm sticking to what I previously said that the ones building into this hype will be disappointed and may feel mislead. The majority of casuals dont look at e3 nor gameplay vids. They probably seen little ads though of a Kinect vid and things it looks like it can do but turns out, it can't. But they dont know that yet. Fuhgeddabouditt

Actually, you can't.

You said that you can tell us that Kinect will bomb after its launch, which is a far cry from a "guess". The only way you'd be able to tell us how it will do is to have a crystal ball. Until you get one, you can't tell us anything except for how you think it will do, which is not how you presented your statement. At all.

remake the thread "will Sony Move be canned" and you will get a better debate.

ProjectNatalFan

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"] Big post.Tyrant156

It's been between spot 1 and spot 2 on amazon from the start of E3 to current. HarlockJC

please dont quote logic will ya

Actually, it seems to be about as negative as Moves Feedback. So is SONY going to cancel that also?

Also, this is dumb. they invested to much into it.