Will Microsoft stop avoiding giving out their sales numbers?

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#101 GeneralRam2099
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Their quarterly report is due late April. They will say it then. Just have to wait.

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#102 delta3074
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You clearly know nothing about how business works, i do, thats why i have a btec national diploma in business and finance and you don't, a company or division can be in the red but they are still making profit.

Let me explain it for you tormentos, A company can be in the red overall but if the amount of money they are making is greater than there operating costs and overheads then the company is considered to be IN profit

Profit (defintion)

'a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something'

The xbox division at that time was Making more money than it cost to Produce or operate the 360 hence they where in profit..

just FOCUS on the Definition of PROFIT i posted and then think about what you said.

Firs of all save it,the xbox one loss 7+ billion dollars which MS hasn't make back period,analyst are accusing MS or hiding xbox losses with money won from Android patents,MS was accuse of doing the same with poor Surface sales and losses.

Look at it now MS claimed that they would make a small profit or brake even with the xbox one,now how do you think that will happen when Titanfall is been given free,Titanfall isn't a MS owned game is a Respawn game publish by EA,so every bundle MS sold with it,money goes into EA and Respawn pockets and while i am sure $60 will not be a cool $20 or $25 per unit will be,add that MS has been advertising this game probably in what can be consider as an Halo scale advertisement campaign how much money do you think they are making now per unit.? Oh and that doesn't include the 30 pound drop in price in UK,remember UK earning are convert to dollars when they come back to MS,so a 70+ pound deal MS is offering in UK is a nasty $100 + when your translate that back to dollars.

So i think is this very moment MS is actually losing money on the xbox one.

Are you really that blind? i was actually replying to another guy who said the xbox division had never been in Profit, they clearly have by the very DEFINITION of the WORD so i was right and you just jump in both feet first without even a clue as to what we where debating about.

Let me run it down, other guy stated Xbox division had never made a profit, By the very definition, it has, i proved him wrong, end of subject.

We where discussing whether the xbox division had ever made a profit, it has, had nothing to do with the xbone.

On that point, can you prove MS are hiding the numbers? the answer to that is no so basically you are just speculating.

Yet again tormentos, you owned absolutely NOBODY.

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#103  Edited By delta3074
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@LJS9502_basic said:

I don't see how it's a mystery to anyone unless they have their head in the sand that MS isn't doing as well as expected. I have NEVER seen a console reduced so early in it's life span.

Posting record profits= not doing as well as expected?

'Revenue climbed 14 percent to a record $24.5 billion in the fiscal second quarter that ended Dec. 31, Microsoft said in a statement yesterday. Analysts had predicted $23.7 billion in on average, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.'

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-23/microsoft-s-second-quarter-profit-sales-top-estimates.html

Microsoft are doing fine, i think you meant to say 'xbone' didn't you?

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#104  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@delta3074 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I don't see how it's a mystery to anyone unless they have their head in the sand that MS isn't doing as well as expected. I have NEVER seen a console reduced so early in it's life span.

Posting record profits= not doing as well as expected?

'Revenue climbed 14 percent to a record $24.5 billion in the fiscal second quarter that ended Dec. 31, Microsoft said in a statement yesterday. Analysts had predicted $23.7 billion in on average, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.'

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-23/microsoft-s-second-quarter-profit-sales-top-estimates.html

Microsoft are doing fine, i think you meant to say 'xbone' didn't you?

And yet the X1 is already discounted. Record profits do not correlate to a healthy games division FYI. Don't be so pedantic. This thread is in SW......course it's about the X!. Captain Obvious needs to visit you....

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#105 I_can_haz
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I think it's clear to everyone and their grandma that M$ is hiding numbers because they aren't doing as well as they expect. The excuses from lems in this thread are hilarious to say the least.

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#106 delta3074
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@I_can_haz said:

I think it's clear to everyone and their grandma that M$ is hiding numbers because they aren't doing as well as they expect. The excuses from lems in this thread are hilarious to say the least.

Yes, because the Valid reasoning that companys release there figures quaterly and MS quaterly figures are not actually due yet is hilarious right?

The only people it's 'clear' to that MS are hiding there figures is SONY drones, Conspiracy theorists and Anti Microsoft nut cases,lol

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#107  Edited By I_can_haz
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@delta3074 said:

@I_can_haz said:

I think it's clear to everyone and their grandma that M$ is hiding numbers because they aren't doing as well as they expect. The excuses from lems in this thread are hilarious to say the least.

Yes, because the Valid reasoning that companys release there figures quaterly and MS quaterly figures are not actually due yet is hilarious right?

The only people it's 'clear' to that MS are hiding there figures is SONY drones, Conspiracy theorists and Anti Microsoft nut cases,lol

M$ released numbers 3 times last year when they thought they were doing well. For the past 4 months they haven't released any numbers meanwhile Sony has released 4 times since January. Keep damage controlling and crying but none of us here are buying it. M$ has a long history of releasing numbers when they sold well, the fact they haven't released any numbers for the past 4 months is already telling lol.

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#108 ChristianGmr14
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I don't care if they do or they don't. Just curious, I know this is "System Wars" which conveys all the meaning that the name implies. But I don't understand why people care about sales here? It just seems like such a an asinine thing for a gamer to care about.

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#109 Scipio8
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Sony is irrelevant for Microsoft, they won't get sucked into their dick waving contest. The Xbox One is doing well and MS are really pushing the platform.

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#110 Murderstyle75
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@Scipio8:

How is the leading console platform irrelevant to the competition? If Sony was irrelevant, they wouldn't have wasted so much money keeping the first Titanfall off of the Playstation platform. That's certainly millions of dollars that could have been spent on new and innovating first party IP's.

That's like saying Apple and Google are irrelevant to them in the mobile market.

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#111  Edited By delta3074
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@I_can_haz said:

@delta3074 said:

@I_can_haz said:

I think it's clear to everyone and their grandma that M$ is hiding numbers because they aren't doing as well as they expect. The excuses from lems in this thread are hilarious to say the least.

Yes, because the Valid reasoning that companys release there figures quaterly and MS quaterly figures are not actually due yet is hilarious right?

The only people it's 'clear' to that MS are hiding there figures is SONY drones, Conspiracy theorists and Anti Microsoft nut cases,lol

M$ released numbers 3 times last year when they thought they were doing well. For the past 4 months they haven't released any numbers meanwhile Sony has released 4 times since January. Keep damage controlling and crying but none of us here are buying it. M$ has a long history of releasing numbers when they sold well, the fact they haven't released any numbers for the past 4 months is already telling lol.

3 time a year is actually less than quarterly dude and 3 times a year would be every FOUR months, way to own yourself.

Also, MS released there last figures on the 28th December,it's now the 7th of april, thats 3 months and one week so quit with the '4 months' BS.

You should maybe buy yourself a calender and clue yourself up a bit,lol

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#112  Edited By BattleSpectre
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Microsoft are focusing on what matters now, thanks to their new boss -- Games. Sales are overrated it's all about the core gamers now baby ;)

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#113 misterpmedia
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@Scipio8 said:

Sony is irrelevant for Microsoft, they won't get sucked into their dick waving contest. The Xbox One is doing well and MS are really pushing the platform.

Probably because the dick waving happened in 2013 and Microsoft lost.

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#114 Scipio8
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@misterpmedia said:

@Scipio8 said:

Sony is irrelevant for Microsoft, they won't get sucked into their dick waving contest. The Xbox One is doing well and MS are really pushing the platform.

Probably because the dick waving happened in 2013 and Microsoft lost.

Yeah, Kaz shot first and now Sony is spent, MS is only just getting the grove on. It will be another 10 years of XBOX domination.

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#115  Edited By misterpmedia
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@Scipio8 said:

@misterpmedia said:

@Scipio8 said:

Sony is irrelevant for Microsoft, they won't get sucked into their dick waving contest. The Xbox One is doing well and MS are really pushing the platform.

Probably because the dick waving happened in 2013 and Microsoft lost.

Yeah, Kaz shot first and now Sony is spent, MS is only just getting the grove on. It will be another 10 years of XBOX domination.