Will Persona 5 obliterate every jrpg competions on 2016?

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#101 Maroxad
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Sales? Doubt it. Persona has up until now always been niche.

Critical Reception? Could happen. Atlus has a good track record, as does Persona.

Fan Reception? I am sure it will be loved by most gamers but then hated by loyal SMT fans... just like Persona 4.

My reception? I am not buying it so, I will try to avoid having an opinion about it. I will TRY goddammit.

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#102 spike6958
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Score wise? Who knows? It's possible that P5 could be as good or better P4G, and I hope it is, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it's a disappointment, because the games in the series before that weren't that great.

Sales wise, anyone who honestly thinks P5 will sell the best of any JRPG this year is out their mind. I'd expect sales levels on par with Dragon Quest and Dark Souls, but it's not gonna outsell Final Fantasy XV. I hear friend of mine who aren't really into games outside of the CoD, EASports, AssCreed, GTA, who are excited for FFXV. Persona doesn't have that mainstream appeal.

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#103  Edited By casharmy
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@charizard1605 said:
@casharmy said:
@charizard1605 said:
@casharmy said:

Sorry FFXV is going to Obliterate it commercially and equal or better critically. That said Persona 5 is set up to be the biggest and most successful game in the franchise so far and has potential to break into the mainstream market and get Souls level recognition.

FF15 may sell more, that doesn't make it a better game than Persona 5, which is almost assuredly going to be a far more superior product.

Not really.

You base that off what exactly? Emotions and fandom don't count as argument points BTW!

Multiple things:

  • The recent track record of Atlus and Persona versus the recent track record of Square Enix and Final Fantasy 15
  • The mostly smooth (if long) development of Persona 5 versus the highly protracted development of Final Fantasy 15- it has changed directors two times, and full staff at least three separate times
  • Persona generally pushes the envelope of RPGs more than Final Fantasy- FF15 looks ambitious, definitely, but it still looks like a traditional JRPG translated to a modern open world context. Persona always plays with its structure, its story, and its characters to subvert player expectations about the genre

Everything we have seen of Persona so far looks far better than everything we have seen of Final Fantasy 15

OPINION, and I disagree, next

- even if this point is subjective, the three points listed above are not. They are pretty concrete grounds to be far more confident of Persona 5's quality over Final Fantasy 15, when it comes down to it.

Fans of Final Fantasy (of which I am one myself, I may remind you) are free to look forward to FF15 more, nothing is stopping them; they are free to think FF15 will be the better game, and nothing is stopping them from believing that either- for all we know, it will be.

However, there are no concrete points to actually believe at this point that FF15 will be a better game than P5 will be.

Vice Versa: There are no concrete points to say P5 will be a better game than FFXV, regardless of SW perspective even the notoriously hated FFXIII games are critically high rated games and have sold millions of units across the world. FACT

The few concrete points that exist as evidence when talking about two unreleased games all point to Persona 5 being the better product.

The only concrete points that can be made between these games pre-release are objective 3rd party critical acclaim and sales for previous games, everything else is you've said is personal opinion and personal preference. With that in mind the concrete points show that they have equal chance for critical success and a higher chance for FF wiping the floor with it in sales. NEXT

The only reason FF fans would persist in thinking FF15 may be better would be because of, as you said, emotions and fandom, with a dash of subjectivity and personal preferences thrown in.

Really, all you've proven with your post is that you are a bigger fan with more faith in Persona than Final Fantasy, nothing more.

I can say that the highest heights of Final Fantasy are far above that of Persona (see FFVII) and FFXV could possibly recapture similar heights seeing as it once delivered on that level before and Persona never did and be correct. See how easy it is to make bold proclamations based on the topic?

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#104 Kashiwaba
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#105  Edited By aigis
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@casharmy said:

I can say that the highest heights of Final Fantasy are far above that of Persona (see FFVII) and FFXV could possibly recapture similar heights seeing as it once delivered on that level before and Persona never did and be correct. See how easy it is to make bold proclamations based on the topic?

But persona 3 & 4 are better than ffvii, so you'd be wrong

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#106 UnrealGunner
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I don't play many JRPG but I heard Ni No Kuni 2 is coming out

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#107 Heil68
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Yup and I have never played a previous game.

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#108 deactivated-5d68555a05c4b
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Bravely Second will probably be the best JRPG all year

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@unrealgunner said:

I don't play many JRPG but I heard Ni No Kuni 2 is coming out

Doesn't matter, P5 will be better.

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#110 UnrealGunner
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@charizard1605 said:

Doesn't matter, P5 will be better.

Persona look goofy to me I never played it

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#111 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@unrealgunner: You should, I daresay you'd enjoy it

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@unrealgunner said:

I don't play many JRPG but I heard Ni No Kuni 2 is coming out

Ni no Kuni 2 is probably not coming out this year. Even if it were, I doubt it'd be better than Persona.

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#113 onesiphorus
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Compared to Final Fantasy XV, how popular is Persona 5?

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#114  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@onesiphorus said:

Compared to Final Fantasy XV, how popular is Persona 5?

Persona 5 has consistently been beating Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3, and Dragon Quest 11 on the Famitsu anticipated upcoming games weekly list.

It is the most popular JRPG franchise in Japan- FF15 wins out in terms of global appeal, but since Persona 5 is the first release in the franchise since P4 broke it into the mainstream, any comparison is meaningless for now.

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#115  Edited By aigis
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@unrealgunner said:
@charizard1605 said:

Doesn't matter, P5 will be better.

Persona look goofy to me I never played it

3 and 4 are both masterpieces, but if you want a little more serious i'd check out 3 first

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#116  Edited By Kashiwaba
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@charizard1605:

Famitsu demographic doesn't represent Japan that much no way Persona would sell more than DQ11.

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#117  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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Wont' do all that great in sales but it'll be one of the better games this year.

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#118  Edited By aigis
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@Kashiwaba said:

@charizard1605:

Famitsu demographic doesn't represent Japan that much no way Persona would sell more than DQ11.

Its kinda ramping up in popularity, in Japan the weekly sales of ps vita doubled because persona 4D came out

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#119 Kashiwaba
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@aigis:

But do you really think it could outsell a main DQ game? I don't think it will sell 1/2 of what ff15 will sell in Japan let alone outselling DQ11. And don't get my wrong I'm actually a fan of persona games but i thinking people are overestimating persona games selling power.

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#120 onesiphorus
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Has a main Persona game sold at least one million copies in Japan? I know that Dragon Quest IX sold at least a million copies in the country.

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#121 aigis
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@Kashiwaba: ya i dont know really, persona is kinda unknown factor in this since there really hasnt been a main series one in 8 years and it was pretty niche back then

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#122  Edited By blackace
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@indzman said:
  • Final Fantasy 15
  • World of Final Fantasy
  • Star Ocean 5
  • Bravely Second
  • Dragon Quest 7
  • Dragon Quest 8
  • NieR Automata
  • Fire Emblem Fates
  • Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem
  • Shin Megami Tensei IV Final
  • Tales of Berseria
  • Dark Souls 3

Will not be surprised if Persona 5 becomes critically and commercially more successful than above jrpg releases on 2016.

Well? :)

Hhhmm.. no because it's a niche game. KH3 and FFXV will beat it in sales pretty easily I think. Even Zelda will sell more I'm sure.

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#123 Kashiwaba
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@blackace:

@blackace said:
@indzman said:
  • Final Fantasy 15
  • World of Final Fantasy
  • Star Ocean 5
  • Bravely Second
  • Dragon Quest 7
  • Dragon Quest 8
  • NieR Automata
  • Fire Emblem Fates
  • Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem
  • Shin Megami Tensei IV Final
  • Tales of Berseria
  • Dark Souls 3

Will not be surprised if Persona 5 becomes critically and commercially more successful than above jrpg releases on 2016.

Well? :)

Hhhmm.. no because it's a niche game. KH3 and FFXV will beat it in sales pretty easily I think. Even Zelda will sell more I'm sure.

The bolded ones will outsell P5 easily and the underlined ones have a good chance of outselling it maybe.

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Sales? Lets be honest here, FF15 is going to smash everything because of the brand name.

Critical Reception? Doubt it. It will review well, but I don't see it being the most talked about game in more mainstream circles. Again FF15 would be the most obvious choice, with the Dragon Quest remakes up there because those have a strong brand name as well.

My opinion? I see Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest being the best JRPG this year by a long shot imo. It may win some awards, but I would be delusional to think it is going to do much more then that in the large scale of things.

Dark Souls III isn't factored in any of these because I don't consider it a JRPG.

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#125  Edited By Epak_
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NieR looks better, way better.

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@aigis said:

@Kashiwaba: ya i dont know really, persona is kinda unknown factor in this since there really hasnt been a main series one in 8 years and it was pretty niche back then

Persona's popularity has seen a major upturn in the last few years, especially in Japan. I'm not saying it'll outsell Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy (that's highly unlikely), but I expect it will sell well.

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#127 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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Persona is a niche franchise. It simply has zero impact on the gaming world. You guys can hype it out all you want, but the general consensus is that either most people hate the game, doesn't even know about it or don't care about it.

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#128  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@da_illest101 said:

Persona is a niche franchise. It simply has zero impact on the gaming world. You guys can hype it out all you want, but the general consensus is that either most people hate the game, doesn't even know about it or don't care about it.

a) General consensus means large scale agreement, which by definition implies one opinion. You go ahead and list three
b) Most people don't 'hate' the game or 'not care about it'; most people don't even know about it, but hey, guess what, that's true for most gaming franchises. Very few ones, like Mario, Pokemon, Wii, GTA, Call of Duty, and Guitar Hero, actually manage to permeate mainstream consciousness.

As for Persona's general niche status- this was true eight years ago when Persona 4 released. The franchise has exploded in popularity since. Persona 4 is one of the highest rated games of all time. It has sold 1.6 million copies worldwide. Persona 5 has topped 'Most Anticipated Game of 2016' lists of multiple mainstream game media outlets, such as GameTrailers. It's general pre-release hype seems to be higher than that of FF15 (as evidenced by YouTube views for each game's corresponding trailers). In Japan, Persona 5 has consistently outranked Final Fantasy 15 on the Famitsu Most Wanted list. More people are aware of Persona now than were back in 2008, when Persona 4 released, as a niche game. So no, Persona is not a niche anymore. It was, but it is not anymore. How big is it? We don't know yet, since we haven't had a new release in the franchise in eight years to be able to make a judgement call, but it is bigger than it used to be by magnitudes of order. Will it outsell Final Fantasy 15? probably not, to be honest, just because FF15 has 30 years of brand name and inertia backing it. But to dismiss Persona as a brand and as a game as you just did is ignorant and laughable.