will RTS and MMORPG's ever be popular on Consoles?

Remember when all FPS were exclusive to PC? there was a few good fps on consoles, but everyone knew fps was best on PC back in the day

now since Halo nearly all fps are on Consoles or Console exclusive

now Microsoft/Sony would love more money of course, right now RTS/MMORPGS are pretty much PC only, Microsoft tried to Steal RTS from PC with Halo wars, failed big time, Sony have a few MMO's incoming on PS3, wonder how that will go?

i guess PC gamers should thank Blizzard for RTS/MMO staying dominant on PC and Consoles not ruining another genre, consoles ruined Fps

anyway, will RTS and MMORPG's ever be popular on Consoles?

Remember when all FPS were exclusive to PC? there was a few good fps on consoles, but everyone knew fps was best on PC back in the day

now since Halo nearly all fps are on Consoles or Console exclusive

now Microsoft/Sony would love more money of course, right now RTS/MMORPGS are pretty much PC only, Microsoft tried to Steal RTS from PC with Halo wars, failed big time, Sony have a few MMO's incoming on PS3, wonder how that will go?

i guess PC gamers should thank Blizzard for RTS/MMO staying dominant on PC and Consoles not ruining another genre, consoles ruined Fps

anyway, will RTS and MMORPG's ever be popular on Consoles?

HaloinventedFPS

now since Halo nearly all fps are on Consoles or Console exclusive"??? WRONG WRONG WRONG! Please comeback with valid supporting evidence for your argument.ImprovedMind

The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.R3FURBISHED

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.GeneralShowzer

I realize you are just trying to troll, but at least make a somewhat acceptable answer to understand what is going on.

What do I mean by this? We are talking about the RTS and MMO on consoles. You are talking about all games on PC. See where we I'm going with this?

The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.R3FURBISHED

Here's your problem.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.R3FURBISHED

I realize you are just trying to troll, but at least make a somewhat acceptable answer to understand what is going on.

What do I mean by this? We are talking about the RTS and MMO on consoles. You are talking about all games on PC. See where we I'm going with this?

Real time strategies, no. MMORPGs? Possibly. They just need to be done correctly.

consoles ruined FpsHaloinventedFPS

Ifa developercould ever get past the inadequacies of the controls then yes.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.GodofEmpires

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.GodofEmpires

Either Move or Kinect (is that the name of Msofts motion system, i forget) can allow the player to have a freedom with RTS that has never been experienced before. But as we both have stated, you need a developer who is willing to spend the time to create such an experience.

[QUOTE="GodofEmpires"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.R3FURBISHED

Either Move or Kinect (is that the name of Msofts motion system, i forget) can allow the player to have a freedom with RTS that has never been experienced before. But as we both have stated, you need a developer who is willing to spend the time to create such an experience.

And how will Move create something that i have't experienced before? Very curious.

I am not trying to troll. Halo : Reach, for FPS is good by any standards, Halo Wars is not. GeneralShowzer

GameSpot was one of the few major review sites that did not lap praise upon Halo Wars. My evidence being that GS gave Halo Wars a 6.5 while the average for Halo Wars sits in the mid 80s.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I am not trying to troll. Halo : Reach, for FPS is good by any standards, Halo Wars is not. R3FURBISHED

GameSpot was one of the few major review sites that did not lap praise upon Halo Wars. My evidence being that GS gave Halo Wars a 6.5 while the average for Halo Wars sits in the mid 80s.

There are a few decent ones like Viva Pinata and Pikmin.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Remember when all FPS were exclusive to PC? there was a few good fps on consoles, but everyone knew fps was best on PC back in the day

now since Halo nearly all fps are on Consoles or Console exclusive

now Microsoft/Sony would love more money of course, right now RTS/MMORPGS are pretty much PC only, Microsoft tried to Steal RTS from PC with Halo wars, failed big time, Sony have a few MMO's incoming on PS3, wonder how that will go?

i guess PC gamers should thank Blizzard for RTS/MMO staying dominant on PC and Consoles not ruining another genre, consoles ruined Fps

anyway, will RTS and MMORPG's ever be popular on Consoles?

ImprovedMind

Name 1 PC exclusive fps next year that isnt a mmofps

all console fps take after Halo, 2 weapons, dedicated grenade/meele button, regen health

even valve games are on consoles

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I am not trying to troll. Halo : Reach, for FPS is good by any standards, Halo Wars is not. GeneralShowzer

GameSpot was one of the few major review sites that did not lap praise upon Halo Wars. My evidence being that GS gave Halo Wars a 6.5 while the average for Halo Wars sits in the mid 80s.

In the current condition Kinect isn't even accurate enough to play very basic sport games.

And how will Move create something that i have't experienced before? Very curious.

GeneralShowzer

The freedom the tools give(or could give). Say you are using Kinect to play an RTS, the player could just point to a section on the mini map to jump there. To enlarge or minimize the screen the player could use the same technique you use with a smart phone just move your fingers/hands outwards or inwards. To select you just point, to create a unit you just point. To select a group you grab them. To select all of specific unit you could double or triple tap.

We have the tech, we just need someone to take a vested interest in it and create the game.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.GodofEmpires

For the TCs other genre Sony is trying to get MMORPGs to be popular on the PS3. They are making DC Universe Online, The Agency, and some other MMO on PS3 and PC. The only thing is I don't know if it will be successful because Console gamers might not want to pay a monthly fee for Console game unless it is the Console's Online service fee.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]consoles ruined Fpslowe0

it doesnt need to be explained

but i can give you a few good examples

Fear 2, AVP3, UT3

[QUOTE="GodofEmpires"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The RTS has a future on consoles, if developers can take the time to craft a good game ala Halo Wars.R3FURBISHED

Either Move or Kinect (is that the name of Msofts motion system, i forget) can allow the player to have a freedom with RTS that has never been experienced before. But as we both have stated, you need a developer who is willing to spend the time to create such an experience.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I am not trying to troll. Halo : Reach, for FPS is good by any standards, Halo Wars is not. GeneralShowzer

GameSpot was one of the few major review sites that did not lap praise upon Halo Wars. My evidence being that GS gave Halo Wars a 6.5 while the average for Halo Wars sits in the mid 80s.

So let's get this straight.... You want a developer, to spend tens of millions of dollars for an excellent RTS for the Move , while knowing, that RTS on consoles generally don't sell, while targeting just the 4-5 million people who bought move, and on top of that people who bought move were just looking for HD Wii, because Move sports is the best selling game on it.GeneralShowzer

Its people and developers like you that are stunting this industry. How can we create the next great thing if we are all so goddamned scared of own shadows that we refuse to go out on a limb and create the next big thing? Or should we just keep recreating the same BS over and over and over again?

When man still lived in caves, if the people then listened to the one person who said "No, we shouldn't use fire because we might get burned." We would still be living in that cave.

i see controls really being an issue especially for mmo's where you have chatting, macros, hotkeys, and all sorts of smaller commands. LoG-Sacrament

DC universe is looking good and it's coming out for consoles. So MMO have a chance as long as console is the lead platform. RTS? Nah not really imo. They will continue to be overly simplistic due to controllers.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]So let's get this straight.... You want a developer, to spend tens of millions of dollars for an excellent RTS for the Move , while knowing, that RTS on consoles generally don't sell, while targeting just the 4-5 million people who bought move, and on top of that people who bought move were just looking for HD Wii, because Move sports is the best selling game on it.R3FURBISHED

Its people and developers like you that are stunting this industry. How can we create the next great thing if we are all so goddamned scared of own shadows that we refuse to go out on a limb and create the next big thing? Or should we just keep recreating the same BS over and over and over again?

When man still lived in caves, if the people then listened to the one person who said "No, we shouldn't use fire because we might get burned." We would still be living in that cave.

Nope, RTS is fine on PC, bringing RTS to consoles is just for Microsoft/Sony to make more money

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]So let's get this straight.... You want a developer, to spend tens of millions of dollars for an excellent RTS for the Move , while knowing, that RTS on consoles generally don't sell, while targeting just the 4-5 million people who bought move, and on top of that people who bought move were just looking for HD Wii, because Move sports is the best selling game on it.R3FURBISHED

Its people and developers like you that are stunting this industry. How can we create the next great thing if we are all so goddamned scared of own shadows that we refuse to go out on a limb and create the next big thing? Or should we just keep recreating the same BS over and over and over again?

When man still lived in caves, if the people then listened to the one person who said "No, we shouldn't use fire because we might get burned." We would still be living in that cave.

DC universe is looking good and it's coming out for consoles. So MMO have a chance as long as console is the lead platform. RTS? Nah not really imo. They will continue to be overly simplistic due to controllers.

Espada12

DC universe is looking good and it's coming out for consoles. So MMO have a chance as long as console is the lead platform. RTS? Nah not really imo. They will continue to be overly simplistic due to controllers.

Espada12

Controls wont be a problem for RTS on Consoles, just like Fps, they will dumb it down to work on consoles

we will never get another E-Sport FPS because of Consoles

Nope, RTS is fine on PC, bringing RTS to consoles is just for Microsoft/Sony to make more money

HaloinventedFPS

You do know that ALL game developers/publishers want to make money right?

Yes, let all developers take risks at 100% fail certain projects, that's why every year we hear developers shutting down and staff being laid off.GeneralShowzer

Couldn't really tell what you are saying. An RTS is a risk for developers guaranteeing a 100% failure?

Halo Wars sold 639,000 units in its launch month of March 2009. I don't see that as a failure. I doubt Ensemeble or Microsoft did either.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

DC universe is looking good and it's coming out for consoles. So MMO have a chance as long as console is the lead platform. RTS? Nah not really imo. They will continue to be overly simplistic due to controllers.

Luxen90

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Nope, RTS is fine on PC, bringing RTS to consoles is just for Microsoft/Sony to make more money

R3FURBISHED

You do know that ALL game developers/publishers want to make money right?

more games on Consoles = more money for MS/Sony only, royalties bro, less games selling on PC = more money for MS/Sony

if developers/publishers want to make an RTS, make it for PC, same goes for MMO's

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

You do know that ALL game developers/publishers want to make money right?

HaloinventedFPS

more games on Consoles = more money for MS/Sony only, royalties bro, less games selling on PC = more money for MS/Sony

if developers/publishers want to make an RTS, make it for PC, same goes for MMO's

Yet again -- here you go:

Its people and developers like you that are stunting this industry. How can we create the next great thing if we are all so goddamned scared of own shadows that we refuse to go out on a limb and create the next big thing? Or should we just keep recreating the same BS over and over and over again?

When man still lived in caves, if the people then listened to the one person who said "No, we shouldn't use fire because we might get burned." We would still be living in that cave.

R3FURBISHED

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]i see controls really being an issue especially for mmo's where you have chatting, macros, hotkeys, and all sorts of smaller commands. Luxen90

Here's your problem.

mattuk69

Wasn't that the same problem that prevented FPS from ever working on consoles?

I would say that as long as developers find a way to modify the controls and probably the gameplay RTS and MMO will work in the same fashion as FPS did.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Yes, let all developers take risks at 100% fail certain projects, that's why every year we hear developers shutting down and staff being laid off.R3FURBISHED

Couldn't really tell what you are saying. An RTS is a risk for developers guaranteeing a 100% failure?

Halo Wars sold 639,000 units in its launch month of March 2009. I don't see that as a failure. I doubt Ensemeble or Microsoft did either.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

DC universe is looking good and it's coming out for consoles. So MMO have a chance as long as console is the lead platform. RTS? Nah not really imo. They will continue to be overly simplistic due to controllers.

Nintendo_Ownes7

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Yes, let all developers take risks at 100% fail certain projects, that's why every year we hear developers shutting down and staff being laid off.GeneralShowzer

Couldn't really tell what you are saying. An RTS is a risk for developers guaranteeing a 100% failure?

Halo Wars sold 639,000 units in its launch month of March 2009. I don't see that as a failure. I doubt Ensemeble or Microsoft did either.

Halo Wars sold whatever amount it sold mostly because of the four letter word before the Wars. It wasn't on PC because Microsoft wants more $$$ and it is much easier for them to get that money from a system they control 100%. Anyways, even if it were on PC, the sales would sunk big time.

There is NO FREEDOM IN THAT GAME!! I'm not a big RTS fan, will be soon, but seriously, there is no skill needed in that game. You KNOW where the enemy base is at, it is soo fixed, its really annoying lol...

MMORPGs has a future on consoles, I can see it. Playstation tho, not on Xbox. Sony, from what they have shown are more open to openess lol. Microsoft likes having control of everything...Sony might become that too..

So...

RTS - Not from what I see, allow KnM support and maybe.

MMORPGs - Yes but these two corporations are going to need to give up some of their "freedoms" and pass it to developers and consumers.

i don't think its cause its popularity, its simply because they haven't done it yet (rts aside cause i couldn't care less). iv'e been waiting a long time to play a good MMORPG since i'm not going to sink a grand into my computer for one gamebebop013

You don't have to spend a grand if you know how to put together a computer and use newegg. I built my current PC over two years ago for $800 total and it can run any game out now pretty much perfectly. Prices drop very quickly in the PC world, you could probably build my current PC for like $500 now.

New hardware is coming out for PC like every freakin month, which means lots of price drops on older hardware..but developers aren't really making games with crazy requirements..most new games run on old engines that have been out for years.

A lot of PC gamers should start to realise that RTS / MMORPGs are easely possible on consoles, especially on PS3 where you have a HDD. You can use Mouse and Keyboard. I guess the main problem is that both of them are not in the "standard equipment" of consoles and you need some kind of table which might be a problem for console gamers as well :S Personally I don't really care, I own tons of both to play on my PC, so I'm fine ^^

RTSes? No, devs tried many times before and always failed. It won't happen.

MMOs? Depend. The PC-styled MMOs won't work, but a console styled game with added MMO component could. Of course even then making on for consoles will always be a lot risker than for PC, but it could be done