Will The Mass Effect Trilogy Be Remembered?

[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"]

it will be rememberd as the Trilogy of bad endings, part 1 didnt really end, neither did 2 and 3 had a bad ending so all 3 games gave players a negative feeling at the end of the game, hence 3 crappy endings, the trilogy of bad endings

sune_Gem

No. Of course all three games ended. They had a build up, a climax and most clearly credits to proove it. The first game had an epic ending, the second game had an epic ending, the third game just didn't live up to the standard set by previous BioWare titles on concluding there games, but is by no means a failure and no true fan would claim that.

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

same as FF7?

LMAO.:lol:

black_chamber99

are you dissing mass effect or FF7? i can't tell

did you even read the poll choices?

read the poll first, then read my post.

[spoiler] yes i am dissing mass effect [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="shalashaska88"]It will. For the wrong reasons.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="dommeus"].

Just got ME1 on the PC for cheap and started playing it again over the weekend. It's a shame they stripped so much of the role playing side of the game in 2 and 3; I forgot how awesome ME1 was.

skrat_01

Awesome? Thought it was the worst of the lot.

I'm currently playing it too, and it's as rote as when I first remembered it. Repetitive mission design, rip-off story pretending to be utterly original, and clunky action RPG mechanics. I'm honestly finding it a chore to play through.

I remember when I first played ME2, expecting the worst. I knew most of the RPG elements were stripped down, but boy was the game more playable than ever. I found the missions more engaging too and just the whole experience generally enjoyable. I wonder if it'll happen again when I go through it later on.

I think Mass Effect gets to most people through appeal to emotion, rather than good design or anything truly noble. Bioware always bangs on about the 'personal story', and Bioware always makes sure you get to bang someone in one of their games, so I think that's what people lap up the most, irregardless of the true quality of the games.

Life and death situation, impossible odds, victory through sacrifice... optional romance sublot? Totally cheating on the premise of your story.

I played Mass Effect 2 and 3 without romancing anyone. The game gives you options, but most will have Shepard romantically involved with, at best, two NPC's in one playthrough of the series. You're not screwing everybody you come across, or chasing your 'waifu' the entire game.

Also I'd dare state that 'emotionally gripping' in the series doesn't have to translate into 'obligatory romance plot' at all.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

like it or not, its a landmark title

DarkLink77

FF7 does not retain it's popularity today because it was the first FF in 3D. You know why? Because as a 3D game, it's not very good. It's very primitive, and no amount of nostalgia will fix how badly it has aged in that department. No amount of nostalgia will fix how poorly the graphics have held up, either.

You know why people still love FF7? Because it did a hell of a lot more right than it did wrong. It is a landmark title in video games (That's not debatable, there was literally nothing like it at the time), and it's also one of the few games in this industry that was a victim of its own success. Later games in the genre were as good as they were because they built on what FF7 did.

You may not like the story, or the characters (which is fine, but a lot of that is hindsight, Cloud, for instance, isn't that whiny in the game proper and has a pretty good character arc), but a lot of the negativity associated with the game is more because of things like Advent Children (which is a terrible movie and undoes pretty much all of the character development in the game and major portions of the plot), or the other parts of the FF7 Compilation, not FF7 itself.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] like it or not, its completly overrated. people completly overlooked its flaws (and theres plenty of them) simply because they said "zomg first final fantasy IN THREE DEEE"lightleggy

FF7 does not retain it's popularity today because it was the first FF in 3D. You know why? Because as a 3D game, it's not very good. It's very primitive, and no amount of nostalgia will fix how badly it has aged in that department. No amount of nostalgia will fix how poorly the graphics have held up, either.

You know why people still love FF7? Because it did a hell of a lot more right than it did wrong. It is a landmark title in video games (That's not debatable, there was literally nothing like it at the time), and it's also one of the few games in this industry that was a victim of its own success. Later games in the genre were as good as they were because they built on what FF7 did.

You may not like the story, or the characters (which is fine, but a lot of that is hindsight, Cloud, for instance, isn't that whiny in the game proper and has a pretty good character arc), but a lot of the negativity associated with the game is more because of things like Advent Children (which is a terrible movie and undoes pretty much all of the character development in the game and major portions of the plot), or the other parts of the FF7 Compilation, not FF7 itself.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]like it or not, its completly overrated. people completly overlooked its flaws (and theres plenty of them) simply because they said "zomg first final fantasy IN THREE DEEE"Vraeth

Uh, no. Wrong.

Sorry, hipster.

The fact that it is a flawed game and people still love it fanatically speaks volumes about the title. It had nothing to do with it being 3D. Using that brilliant logic XIII should be way more popular than it currently is because it's the first one in HD.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] like it or not, its completly overrated. people completly overlooked its flaws (and theres plenty of them) simply because they said "zomg first final fantasy IN THREE DEEE"seanmcloughlin

FF7 does not retain it's popularity today because it was the first FF in 3D. You know why? Because as a 3D game, it's not very good. It's very primitive, and no amount of nostalgia will fix how badly it has aged in that department. No amount of nostalgia will fix how poorly the graphics have held up, either.

You know why people still love FF7? Because it did a hell of a lot more right than it did wrong. It is a landmark title in video games (That's not debatable, there was literally nothing like it at the time), and it's also one of the few games in this industry that was a victim of its own success. Later games in the genre were as good as they were because they built on what FF7 did.

You may not like the story, or the characters (which is fine, but a lot of that is hindsight, Cloud, for instance, isn't that whiny in the game proper and has a pretty good character arc), but a lot of the negativity associated with the game is more because of things like Advent Children (which is a terrible movie and undoes pretty much all of the character development in the game and major portions of the plot), or the other parts of the FF7 Compilation, not FF7 itself.

FF7 was also one of the first games to boldly go where no games went before in its gameplay. It had a lot of great moments in it and the death scene really shook things up and left people feeling very unsafe like anyone could die at any time

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You're an idiot.

FF7 does not retain it's popularity today because it was the first FF in 3D. You know why? Because as a 3D game, it's not very good. It's very primitive, and no amount of nostalgia will fix how badly it has aged in that department. No amount of nostalgia will fix how poorly the graphics have held up, either.

You know why people still love FF7? Because it did a hell of a lot more right than it did wrong. It is a landmark title in video games (That's not debatable, there was literally nothing like it at the time), and it's also one of the few games in this industry that was a victim of its own success. Later games in the genre were as good as they were because they built on what FF7 did.

You may not like the story, or the characters (which is fine, but a lot of that is hindsight, Cloud, for instance, isn't that whiny in the game proper and has a pretty good character arc), but a lot of the negativity associated with the game is more because of things like Advent Children (which is a terrible movie and undoes pretty much all of the character development in the game and major portions of the plot), or the other parts of the FF7 Compilation, not FF7 itself.

DarkLink77

we seem to have a different memory about the game because everything I remember about cloud is how he gets depressed mid game and starts complaining about abso-f*cking-lutely everything.

it doesnt make it true just because you played it years after release and still liked it, its obvious that someone will like the game no matter what, also nostalgia and hype can also affect those things, if the whole world tells you like "DUDE GO PLAY FF7 ITS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!" then you will most likely follow what they say blindly and convince yourself the game is good even when it isnt, few people can play a game without being affected by popular opinions. also you didnt addresed my point, people say that one of the reasons FF7 is so "memorable" is because of aerith's death, and they describe it as something revolutionary that had never happened before in gaming even tho it had totally happened and not only that but in the same franchise and to an even larger degree. sorry bub, but everything aims at the fact that it was liked just because of the technology jump.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] No, you have it all wrong, it is overrated and you are swimming in nostalgia. also the only thing cloud does in FF7 is complain about how he isnt strong enough. the fact that people say FF7 was successful because it did things such as killing a main character already shows they actually talk about nostalgia alone and the fact that it was 3d, because FF had been killing main characters WAAAAY before FF7, and also more than just one, people just liked it because it was the first in 3Dlightleggy

we seem to have a different memory about the game because everything I remember about cloud is how he gets depressed mid game and starts complaining about abso-f*cking-lutely everything.

it doesnt make it true just because you played it years after release and still liked it, its obvious that someone will like the game no matter what, also nostalgia and hype can also affect those things, if the whole world tells you like "DUDE GO PLAY FF7 ITS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!" then you will most likely follow what they say blindly and convince yourself the game is good even when it isnt, few people can play a game without being affected by popular opinions. also you didnt addresed my point, people say that one of the reasons FF7 is so "memorable" is because of aerith's death, and they describe it as something revolutionary that had never happened before in gaming even tho it had totally happened and not only that but in the same franchise and to an even larger degree. sorry bub, but everything aims at the fact that it was liked just because of the technology jump.

I didn't have any hype going in. I saw a friend playing it, liked what I saw, and got a copy for myself. I don't give a f*ck about popular opinion. It's usually wrong.

I don't think anyone who knows anything about games said anything like that. And I'll wager people liked it because it was a good game.

luck more than anything.lightleggy

Oh my how rich.

You dropped your stuff feel free to go pick it up.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] That's pretty much impossible since I played it years after it came out. And no, not at all. Dude starts out arrogant as hell, realizes his entire life is a lie, gets mopey, gets over it, and becomes a dude that's okay with being himself by the end of it. He rarely complains about not being strong enough. And yet, neither one of those things are things I talked about, nor are the things that people talk about when discussing the game anymore. Sure, Aerith's death was a shocker at the time, but no one cares anymore. DarkLink77

we seem to have a different memory about the game because everything I remember about cloud is how he gets depressed mid game and starts complaining about abso-f*cking-lutely everything.

it doesnt make it true just because you played it years after release and still liked it, its obvious that someone will like the game no matter what, also nostalgia and hype can also affect those things, if the whole world tells you like "DUDE GO PLAY FF7 ITS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!" then you will most likely follow what they say blindly and convince yourself the game is good even when it isnt, few people can play a game without being affected by popular opinions. also you didnt addresed my point, people say that one of the reasons FF7 is so "memorable" is because of aerith's death, and they describe it as something revolutionary that had never happened before in gaming even tho it had totally happened and not only that but in the same franchise and to an even larger degree. sorry bub, but everything aims at the fact that it was liked just because of the technology jump.

I didn't have any hype going in. I saw a friend playing it, liked what I saw, and got a copy for myself. I don't give a f*ck about popular opinion. It's usually wrong.

I don't think anyone who knows anything about games said anything like that. And I'll wager people liked it because it was a good game.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]luck more than anything.Jynxzor

Oh my how rich.

You dropped your stuff feel free to go pick it up.

you do know those things are f*cking easy to disarm right? because it turns out humans dont have the intelect of a bear.

also, I am a hipster and I love being a hipster, being a hipster its awesome I love to shout IM HIPSTER!!!!.

hint

now it turns out you cant hate on popular things because you are deemed a hipster :lol:

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You're an idiot.

FF7 does not retain it's popularity today because it was the first FF in 3D. You know why? Because as a 3D game, it's not very good. It's very primitive, and no amount of nostalgia will fix how badly it has aged in that department. No amount of nostalgia will fix how poorly the graphics have held up, either.

You know why people still love FF7? Because it did a hell of a lot more right than it did wrong. It is a landmark title in video games (That's not debatable, there was literally nothing like it at the time), and it's also one of the few games in this industry that was a victim of its own success. Later games in the genre were as good as they were because they built on what FF7 did.

You may not like the story, or the characters (which is fine, but a lot of that is hindsight, Cloud, for instance, isn't that whiny in the game proper and has a pretty good character arc), but a lot of the negativity associated with the game is more because of things like Advent Children (which is a terrible movie and undoes pretty much all of the character development in the game and major portions of the plot), or the other parts of the FF7 Compilation, not FF7 itself.

lightleggy

FF7 was also one of the first games to boldly go where no games went before in its gameplay. It had a lot of great moments in it and the death scene really shook things up and left people feeling very unsafe like anyone could die at any time

Well every single time I see it praised it's never been about its 3D graphics.

But Im starting to wonder if you just didn't like it and can't stand to hear about other people saying its good. like you played it cos of hype and it didn't meet your expectations. I get the same way over MGS4

your own peronal tastes do not make it a good or bad game in the grand scheme of things. far smarter people than you or I have analysed and reviewed the game and gave it very high praise. It must have done something right

humans dont have the intelect of a bear.lightleggy

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

we seem to have a different memory about the game because everything I remember about cloud is how he gets depressed mid game and starts complaining about abso-f*cking-lutely everything.

it doesnt make it true just because you played it years after release and still liked it, its obvious that someone will like the game no matter what, also nostalgia and hype can also affect those things, if the whole world tells you like "DUDE GO PLAY FF7 ITS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!" then you will most likely follow what they say blindly and convince yourself the game is good even when it isnt, few people can play a game without being affected by popular opinions. also you didnt addresed my point, people say that one of the reasons FF7 is so "memorable" is because of aerith's death, and they describe it as something revolutionary that had never happened before in gaming even tho it had totally happened and not only that but in the same franchise and to an even larger degree. sorry bub, but everything aims at the fact that it was liked just because of the technology jump.

lightleggy

I didn't have any hype going in. I saw a friend playing it, liked what I saw, and got a copy for myself. I don't give a f*ck about popular opinion. It's usually wrong.

I don't think anyone who knows anything about games said anything like that. And I'll wager people liked it because it was a good game.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]humans dont have the intelect of a bear.Jynxzor

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] We do seem to have a different memory. :o

I didn't have any hype going in. I saw a friend playing it, liked what I saw, and got a copy for myself. I don't give a f*ck about popular opinion. It's usually wrong.

I don't think anyone who knows anything about games said anything like that. And I'll wager people liked it because it was a good game.

DarkLink77

parodies dont just pull their themes out of the asses, they take points from the source materials and make it bigger, yes its a parody and its a parody because it mocks the original thing by pointing out a very bad and annoying thing the original game had and then it shows how ridiculous it was.

[QUOTE="BlackAceII"]

Remembered on the PC/360.

Won't be remembered on PS3 cause they didn't have ME1 only a comic book :lol:

The true trilogy experience

Pikachu69er

It would have only been on 360/PC if it didn't flop, bioware wanted sales, and they wern't getting it from those consoles

Actually, it's because EA bought Bioware. Before, Bioware was independant and would work with microsoft game studios for many of their games and keep them on the microsoft platforms. But EA purchased them and pretty much required they make games their games for the PS3 as well. I'm actually shocked EA let them orignally release ME2 on only MS platforms and later shove it to the PS3.

And yes, ME is my favorite game series from this gen. I will always love it and it will be right up there with the Zeldas and Final Fantasies for me.

Greatest trilogy in gaming.

Good trilogy but will these games by remembered like KOTOR? No.

Bioware should really go back to the KOTOR series.

Good trilogy but will these games by remembered like KOTOR? No.

Bioware should really go back to the KOTOR series.

KC_Hokie

ME will be remembered more than KOTOR more than likely. It sold more and was more critically acclaimed.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Good trilogy but will these games by remembered like KOTOR? No.

Bioware should really go back to the KOTOR series.

GD1551

ME will be remembered more than KOTOR more than likely. It sold more and was more critically acclaimed.

.I mean who the f*ck relates intelligence to liking or disliking something popular? I suppose you also say that religious beliefs (or lack of them) affect your intelligence too.lightleggy

It will be remembered for ME3's ending thats for sure:lol:

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Awesome? Thought it was the worst of the lot.

I'm currently playing it too, and it's as rote as when I first remembered it. Repetitive mission design, rip-off story pretending to be utterly original, and clunky action RPG mechanics. I'm honestly finding it a chore to play through.

I remember when I first played ME2, expecting the worst. I knew most of the RPG elements were stripped down, but boy was the game more playable than ever. I found the missions more engaging too and just the whole experience generally enjoyable. I wonder if it'll happen again when I go through it later on.

I think Mass Effect gets to most people through appeal to emotion, rather than good design or anything truly noble. Bioware always bangs on about the 'personal story', and Bioware always makes sure you get to bang someone in one of their games, so I think that's what people lap up the most, irregardless of the true quality of the games.

SkyWard20

Life and death situation, impossible odds, victory through sacrifice... optional romance sublot? Totally cheating on the premise of your story.

I played Mass Effect 2 and 3 without romancing anyone. The game gives you options, but most will have Shepard romantically involved with, at best, two NPC's in one playthrough of the series. You're not screwing everybody you come across, or chasing your 'waifu' the entire game.

Also I'd dare state that 'emotionally gripping' in the series doesn't have to translate into 'obligatory romance plot' at all.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Good trilogy but will these games by remembered like KOTOR? No.

Bioware should really go back to the KOTOR series.

KC_Hokie

ME will be remembered more than KOTOR more than likely. It sold more and was more critically acclaimed.

Yeah but ME got way more attention all things considered. Plus KOTOR even if they made 3 games KOTOR wouldn't be a "bioware trilogy".

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

[QUOTE="dawgrejectx"]

it will be rememberd as the Trilogy of bad endings, part 1 didnt really end, neither did 2 and 3 had a bad ending so all 3 games gave players a negative feeling at the end of the game, hence 3 crappy endings, the trilogy of bad endings

FIipMode

No. Of course all three games ended. They had a build up, a climax and most clearly credits to proove it. The first game had an epic ending, the second game had an epic ending, the third game just didn't live up to the standard set by previous BioWare titles on concluding there games, but is by no means a failure and no true fan would claim that.

I worded that a little wonky. I meant to say the game itself wasn't a failure due to the ending. The ending wasn't good at all, I just don't think it's fair to hate the entire game because of it. I thought the intro to Mass Effect 1 was terrible, so slow and took so long to get rolling, yet no one hated the entire game because of it.

Anyone that played the ME trilogy and KOTOR knows KOTOR was in another league. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Good trilogy but will these games by remembered like KOTOR? No.

Bioware should really go back to the KOTOR series.

KC_Hokie

ME will be remembered more than KOTOR more than likely. It sold more and was more critically acclaimed.

[QUOTE="Vraeth"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]like it or not, its completly overrated. people completly overlooked its flaws (and theres plenty of them) simply because they said "zomg first final fantasy IN THREE DEEE"lightleggy

Uh, no. Wrong.

Sorry, hipster.

The fact that it is a flawed game and people still love it fanatically speaks volumes about the title. It had nothing to do with it being 3D. Using that brilliant logic XIII should be way more popular than it currently is because it's the first one in HD.

I'm not even going to bother responding to someone who's too ****ing stupid to know how to post edit and triple and quad posts nonsensical, flailing, sputtering BS.

You're wrong.

Check.

Mate.

Get over yourself, hipster.

One of the best sci fi franchises, period.

waltefmoney