Will The Xbox 360 Hold Back Metal Gear Solid Rising?

I think MGS rising is going to be bad so i dont care either way

[QUOTE="kejigoto"][QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]I think any game between the PS3 and the 360 could have been done better as a PS3 exclusive because if Blu Ray, guaranteed HDD and better tech. erglesmergle

So why dont 360 exclusives look better than PS3 exclusives? According to the pattern PS3 exclusives > 360 exclusives. PS3 multiplat < 360 multiplat.

Developer talent? Resources? Different goals? If Microsoft owned Naughty Dog and gave them the same resources, they could well cook up a game as pretty as uncharted 2 on the 360?

I doutb it for a few reasons:

1. this is being built from the ground up for 360,PS3, and PC if its hitting their also. Where as MGS 4 catered to PS3 and its massive Bluray capabilities.

2. Speaking of said bluray, this game is not going to contain teh massive long cutscenes of previous MGS's. (im pretty sure Its been quoted as not)so itll be alot easier squeezing it on a DVD 9 for 360.

3. If anything, they might dev it first on 360 or PC, which could mean the PS3 version might end up worse as a result ironicaly. Personaly, I think anyoen says "X syestem" is holdingY game back is quite stupid because both the 360 and PS3 are close in end result power for most stuff and theyre very close technicaly.

It's not a true Kojima MGS. Just a little spinoff so the lems shut up about MGS4Parasomniac

[QUOTE="kejigoto"][QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]I think any game between the PS3 and the 360 could have been done better as a PS3 exclusive because if Blu Ray, guaranteed HDD and better tech. erglesmergle

So why dont 360 exclusives look better than PS3 exclusives? According to the pattern PS3 exclusives > 360 exclusives. PS3 multiplat < 360 multiplat.

Well the real reason is probably that Microsoft pushes to get the games out. They look to sell a game that's good to play, and make as much profit as possible. They're not as concerned about making a graphics king for the people on System Wars. Sony has something to prove. They are playing catch up, they have to make a better looking game.

The specs of both systems are basically the same, so logic would say that any game that is made on the PS3 could be made on the 360, and look just as good, or damn close, and vise versa. Also all one has to do is look at mult-platform games to see how close the machines really are. Usually the lead machine looks a little better, but with very little difference. So if you really buy into the whole power of the cell crap then your delusional, or of course just a blind fanboy.

Plus realistically there is 2 possibly 3 PS3 exclusives that people generally say look better than anything on the 360. Hardly an onslaught of better looking exclusives. I personally think it's more like 1, but of course everybody 's opinion is different.

It's not a true Kojima MGS. Just a little spinoff so the lems shut up about MGS4Parasomniac

Good I'd rather not watch 15 minute video clips of Kojima trying to explain his out there story line. Nano machines, etc. really. How many times do I need it explained to me that I can't just fire any gun I pick up. Yep video masterpiece....of crap.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]It's not a true Kojima MGS. Just a little spinoff so the lems shut up about MGS4heretrix

Amen brother !!!

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="kejigoto"]Yes a game can look alot better being exclusive because then the developer has to only worry about one platform instead of developing it on multiple platforms, thus they will have more time to work with the dev kit and polish the game up.coasterguy65

So why dont 360 exclusives look better than PS3 exclusives? According to the pattern PS3 exclusives > 360 exclusives. PS3 multiplat < 360 multiplat.

Well the real reason is probably that Microsoft pushes to get the games out. They look to sell a game that's good to play, and make as much profit as possible. They're not as concerned about making a graphics king for the people on System Wars. Sony has something to prove. They are playing catch up, they have to make a better looking game.

The specs of both systems are basically the same, so logic would say that any game that is made on the PS3 could be made on the 360, and look just as good, or damn close, and vise versa. Also all one has to do is look at mult-platform games to see how close the machines really are. Usually the lead machine looks a little better, but with very little difference. So if you really buy into the whole power of the cell crap then your delusional, or of course just a blind fanboy.

Plus realistically there is 2 possibly 3 PS3 exclusives that people generally say look better than anything on the 360. Hardly an onslaught of better looking exclusives. I personally think it's more like 1, but of course everybody 's opinion is different.

I do think that theyres something in the PS3 hardware that is pretty speacil, but it just takes alot of time, effort, and money to get to. i agree with you though. When PS3 first launched, I thinke veryone (including SONY) assumed they can just do whatever adn people will buy it. Obviously, that didnt happen and they needed to continuely prove themselves since. things are greatly better for them right now, but I still think they need to prove something and Im not sure if they will by the time this gen is out.

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]Well seeing as rising already looks 20 times better than mgs4 graphically its already on the right track.Chris_Williams

I think any game between the PS3 and the 360 could have been done better as a PS3 exclusive because if Blu Ray, guaranteed HDD and better tech. FriendlyGaimz

yet most of them end up being better on the 360 :lol:

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]I think any game between the PS3 and the 360 could have been done better as a PS3 exclusive because if Blu Ray, guaranteed HDD and better tech. KarateeeChop

yet most of them end up being better on the 360 :lol:

Will the 360 version of MGS Rising hold back the PS3 version? PC version will be the best. Yes we all know that.

erglesmergle

I think its more like the ps3 will hold the 360 version back. It would be a much better game if it were 360 exclusive.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Will the 360 version of MGS Rising hold back the PS3 version? PC version will be the best. Yes we all know that.

Riverwolf007

I think its more like the ps3 will hold the 360 version back. It would be a much better game if it were 360 exclusive.

WilliamRLBaker

I would love LOVE to hear you defend this. Seriously dude, try harder.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Will the 360 version of MGS Rising hold back the PS3 version? PC version will be the best. Yes we all know that.

BrunoBRS

hate to break it to you, but when you have to pray and hope that your version wont end up worse then the other, thats pretty Fing bad for that console.

About as much as the PS3 held back Bayonetta

That would have been a god tier game as a 360 exclusive.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]my question would be will another multiplat look and run better on the 360?

XboximusPrime

hate to break it to you, but when you have to pray and hope that your version wont end up worse then the other, thats pretty Fing bad for that console.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] hopefully not, i have a PS3 :P and i have hope, it happened before (darksiders), maybe it happens againBrunoBRS

hate to break it to you, but when you have to pray and hope that your version wont end up worse then the other, thats pretty Fing bad for that console.

If its your only console, its perfectly fine to get it only on that console because you dont have a choice. maybe I put too much stock in this, but I was always under the impression that someone would want the best version they can get if they have the choice?

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

hate to break it to you, but when you have to pray and hope that your version wont end up worse then the other, thats pretty Fing bad for that console.

XboximusPrime

If its your only console, its perfectly fine to get it only on that console because you dont have a choice. maybe I put too much stock in this, but I was always under the impression that someone would want the best version they can get if they have the choice?

Will the 360 version of MGS Rising hold back the PS3 version? PC version will be the best. Yes we all know that.

erglesmergle

Best on pc? Uh no.

I could've sworn this game was a 360 exclusive to begin with. (Never mind, just announced at the Microsoft E3 press conference)

As far as "holding back," that would require the game to be PS3 exclusive, then become multiplat, then the PS3 version already in development would have to have something cut out or not put in...and I have a feeling that won't happen.

I have nothing to say that would contributetot he topic. I'm just here to laugh at the fanboys.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Will the 360 version of MGS Rising hold back the PS3 version? PC version will be the best. Yes we all know that.

Heirren

Best on pc? Uh no.

I could've sworn this game was a 360 exclusive to begin with. (Never mind, just announced at the Microsoft E3 press conference)

As far as "holding back," that would require the game to be PS3 exclusive, then become multiplat, then the PS3 version already in development would have to have something cut out or not put in...and I have a feeling that won't happen.

AndyAlfredo

I could've sworn this game was a 360 exclusive to begin with. (Never mind, just announced at the Microsoft E3 press conference)

As far as "holding back," that would require the game to be PS3 exclusive, then become multiplat, then the PS3 version already in development would have to have something cut out or not put in...and I have a feeling that won't happen.

AndyAlfredo

Um...

PS3 as well.

They hold back the PC.

Um...

PS3 as well.

They hold back the PC.

mitu123

Aside from Dragon Age, it seems the PS3 has almost been exclusively the console to hold back all the multiplats that hit the two platforms. And I doubt it has to do with "developer laziness" when it is so prevalent.

Like i was saying its 20 times better

bigboss5ak

why is it always the 360 that holds back the ps3? bluray has just a bigger storage than a dvd 9, but it can't guarantee better graphics, it's a support not a graphics card.

aia89

Yea I never understood how Blu Ray all of a sudden means better graphics. The CPUs and GPUs are nearly identical in both consoles. I'm no tech expert by any means but I can read console specs and analysis and clearly determine that neither one is more powerful than the other.

Some devs are going to start building PS3 first and porting to 360. I will laugh loudly if any multiplats done that way still look and play better on the 360. I wonder what the excuse will be then?

Aside from Dragon Age, it seems the PS3 has almost been exclusively the console to hold back all the multiplats that hit the two platforms. And I doubt it has to do with "developer laziness" when it is so prevalent.

foxhound_fox

lol, way to assume stuff.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Aside from Dragon Age, it seems the PS3 has almost been exclusively the console to hold back all the multiplats that hit the two platforms. And I doubt it has to do with "developer laziness" when it is so prevalent.

lol, way to assume stuff.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Aside from Dragon Age, it seems the PS3 has almost been exclusively the console to hold back all the multiplats that hit the two platforms. And I doubt it has to do with "developer laziness" when it is so prevalent.

charizard1605

lol, way to assume stuff.

Its because of the way most devs develop their games. they like to think they can dev first on 360 and port to PS3 with no extra optimization on the PS3 port. which is stupid. This is the only reason i can think of.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

lol, way to assume stuff.

Its because of the way most devs develop their games. they like to think they can dev first on 360 and port to PS3 with no extra optimization on the PS3 port. which is stupid. This is the only reason i can think of.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] He's right. Why are the PS3 versions of multiplats ALWAYS inferior? It looks like very few devs outside of Sony in house teams can really understand the console's hardware and architecture. It's a bit like the N64 all over again.charizard1605

Its because of the way most devs develop their games. they like to think they can dev first on 360 and port to PS3 with no extra optimization on the PS3 port. which is stupid. This is the only reason i can think of.

I personaly think if everyoen deved first on PS3, 80 percent of the problems would be solved. But this wont happen do to developers wanting to take the, for lack of a better word, cheap way out. Anyway, I try not to care, I own both consoles. I jsut hate to think my PS3 was a waste of time and I wasted 600 dollars.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] man your funny, when rising wins graphics of the year like mgs4 did then i'll believe you

FriendlyGaimz

Rising ought to better MGS4 if it's released 3 and a 1/2 years later... But with the limitations of the Xbox360, you can't be sure.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I think its more like the ps3 will hold the 360 version back. It would be a much better game if it were 360 exclusive.

Ragnarok1051

PS; Red text = my comments.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off?page=2

Introduced on PS3 presumably in order to address the bandwidth deficiency of the RSX, the fact that it has been retained on Xbox 360 in a scenario where this effect should have been easily replaced with a more conventional alpha test technique for handling transparencies is frankly puzzling.RSX's codebase holding back Xbox 360 version.

More than that, as the alpha-to-coverage effect is now rendered at sub-HD resolutions, the process of resizing it to 720p makes it look a whole lot worse. This is where the initial "grainy" reports of the 360 build probably originated from. Below is a closer look at the phenomenon in effect.

...

To illustrate the improvements Xbox 360 brings to the table such as they are, here's a selection of clips put through frame-rate analysis. You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Aside from Dragon Age, it seems the PS3 has almost been exclusively the console to hold back all the multiplats that hit the two platforms. And I doubt it has to do with "developer laziness" when it is so prevalent.

charizard1605

lol, way to assume stuff.

If the effect relies on textures, ATI Xenos and ATI/NV DX10 GPUs has "3DC+" compression format hardware support. 3Dc+can compress textures, i.e. light maps, shadow maps, HDR textures and material properties.

The old "3DC" info from http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/r420preview/3.html

RSX/G7X doesn't support 3DC/3DC+.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I think its more like the ps3 will hold the 360 version back. It would be a much better game if it were 360 exclusive.

ronvalencia

PS; Red text = my comments.

I was just joking around because he always made fun of PS3 fans when they were shouting about the 360 holding back FF13. Also who honestly cares enough about those two pictures because there is nothing there that is any different.

I think any game between the PS3 and the 360 could have been done better as a PS3 exclusive because if Blu Ray, guaranteed HDD and better tech. FriendlyGaimz

Probably this, other then the Blu ray. 9 gigabytes is enough for everything except for the largest of RPGs. The 360 is very much starting to feel like the gamecube to me. Was easily my favorite console for the first three years, then the only titles after that were RE4 and MP2 (and MP2 wasn't that terribly great imo)

If there is lack of Move support due to the 360/Microsoft deal then yes (if that happens).

Really hope it gets Move support. Sword play is what Move excels at above all other s.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

lol, way to assume stuff.

XboximusPrime

Its because of the way most devs develop their games. they like to think they can dev first on 360 and port to PS3 with no extra optimization on the PS3 port. which is stupid. This is the only reason i can think of.

And why do you think that? :)tagyhag

It is a Metal Gear game. The amount of audio will guarantee massive amounts of compression on any format other than blu ray. This is a fact.

Introduced on PS3 presumably in order to address the bandwidth deficiency of the RSX, the fact that it has been retained on Xbox 360 in a scenario where this effect should have been easily replaced with a more conventional alpha test technique for handling transparencies is frankly puzzling.RSX's codebase holding back Xbox 360 version.

More than that, as the alpha-to-coverage effect is now rendered at sub-HD resolutions, the process of resizing it to 720p makes it look a whole lot worse. This is where the initial "grainy" reports of the 360 build probably originated from. Below is a closer look at the phenomenon in effect.

...

To illustrate the improvements Xbox 360 brings to the table such as they are, here's a selection of clips put through frame-rate analysis. You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles.

ronvalencia

So the example is FF13, a game that runs at a higher resolution on the playstation?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

And why do you think that? :)Heirren

It is a Metal Gear game. The amount of audio will guarantee massive amounts of compression on any format other than blu ray. This is a fact.

Introduced on PS3 presumably in order to address the bandwidth deficiency of the RSX, the fact that it has been retained on Xbox 360 in a scenario where this effect should have been easily replaced with a more conventional alpha test technique for handling transparencies is frankly puzzling.RSX's codebase holding back Xbox 360 version.

More than that, as the alpha-to-coverage effect is now rendered at sub-HD resolutions, the process of resizing it to 720p makes it look a whole lot worse. This is where the initial "grainy" reports of the 360 build probably originated from. Below is a closer look at the phenomenon in effect.

...

To illustrate the improvements Xbox 360 brings to the table such as they are, here's a selection of clips put through frame-rate analysis. You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles.

ronvalencia

So the example is FF13, a game that runs at a higher resolution on the playstation?

By sacrificing performance, just like Dragon Age.

By sacrificing performance, just like Dragon Age.

AnaleFaust

Eh, FF games have almost always gone the detail route. I remember FF7 getting pretty choppy here and there, but not to the point where it affected gameplay.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

It is a Metal Gear game. The amount of audio will guarantee massive amounts of compression on any format other than blu ray. This is a fact.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Introduced on PS3 presumably in order to address the bandwidth deficiency of the RSX, the fact that it has been retained on Xbox 360 in a scenario where this effect should have been easily replaced with a more conventional alpha test technique for handling transparencies is frankly puzzling.RSX's codebase holding back Xbox 360 version.

More than that, as the alpha-to-coverage effect is now rendered at sub-HD resolutions, the process of resizing it to 720p makes it look a whole lot worse. This is where the initial "grainy" reports of the 360 build probably originated from. Below is a closer look at the phenomenon in effect.

...

To illustrate the improvements Xbox 360 brings to the table such as they are, here's a selection of clips put through frame-rate analysis. You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles.

AnaleFaust

So the example is FF13, a game that runs at a higher resolution on the playstation?

By sacrificing performance, just like Dragon Age.