Will there ever be a system like PC?

That can play almost every exclusive from both major consoles (PS/XB)?

Streamed or simply ported, this is really something extraordinary if you think about it. I think it was already a great system by having the most high scoring exclusives and total games per year, but this just kicks PC into an unforseen level.

No system has had this before. We're talking Super Sayian Blue but for gaming. The Ultimate form.

@zaryia: PC is a good option but its not for me im a console dude.

I like consoles since Atari 2600 and NES i liek having a box and a controller an rocking

PC can't play every exclusive, only xbox one exclusives and horrible versions of ps3 exclusives (some)

Have fun playing 3rd party games with playstation now and maybe getting knack 1 at 30 fps 720p with constant crashing.

Playstation now is kind of trash.

Answer to topic title - No.

Answer to thread - Streaming is gross.

I get that it makes for good SW material. But one of the reasons I game on PC is to experience the games I play in their best form. Game streaming is the opposite of that. I'd rather just play the game locally on its intended hardware.

I prefer consoles myself and I don't care for streaming my games at all even if I had the fastest most stable connection on the planet. I greatly prefer having my games on physical formats and playing them natively on hardware that I can own.

No. Current console exclusives are used to push a platform (the console).

If we start moving away from the platform being the hardware and more of the service, then maybe.

@zaryia:

I'm extremely envious of its open source abilities and the possibility of making games on it with ease! How frickin' cool would it be to be able to make full-blown games on consoles using consoles to do it!? *sigh* One can only dream.....

I look at sites like Gaf when they do their PC performance threads and I see how much work goes into getting the game to run right on your PC. I still prefer my console that will run the game properly without any effort on my part. So many people ask for refunds on PC it seems because it turns out the game won't work right on their rig. Let me know when these problems no longer exist. Then I will have no problem spending 2 grand on a beastly rig. I have the money but not the patience or interest in tweaking PC settings. Call me lazy.

@mark1974: Lazy,

Bonus, misinformed.

My PC seems to run things "properly" for everything i've bought. Plus, better than the console edition :D. I literally have to put in this much effort too, *clears throat*, hit play. Yup, every game I've played in the last few years, i've never had to change a setting on, they have all defaulted to what my GPU was capable of handling.

That's awesome! You chose your hardware well. All those people on those Gaf threads I feel sorry for. With my luck I would be one of them.

If you spend that money, I doubt you'll have those issues lol. People trying to run games on a potato is usually the issue.

I'm a busy guy, I don't have the patience for it either. Luckily I just download a game and play it. Only issue I've had running a game this entire gen was with Doom 4. The Bethesda splash screen crashed first time I started it up. Started the game again and it was fine. And... that's it lol.

PC gaming used to be a more involving thing which is a big reason why I stayed away from it most of the time. These days you just download a game, plug in a controller, and play it.

Not lazy, just a bit misinformed. Going off of outdated info, or only acknowledging info that aligns with your existing beliefs.

Game streaming ?

I feel like this is a closet lem thread trying to lump the PS4 in with the Xbone.

@ConanTheStoner: That sounds great but why do people like Worth a Buy, for example, always complain about not being able to rebind keys or bad ports or a whole host of problems? I listen to the master race people and often hear them complain while also talking out the other side of their mouth about how great everything is.

Pc's the best place to play Oblivion.

1. He's an individual. His ideas/issues are his own. I could go on about how the only issues I've had with running games this gen were on the PS4, but that's just my experience. I don't speak for other PS4 owners.

2. Often times, a bad PC port is only bad by snobby PC gamer standards. Still better than the console version(s) just not loaded up with a dream list of options. 1st world PC gamer "problems" lol.

3. I think you're too caught up on this Mustard Race thing, but I also think you're trying too hard to lump tens of millions of gamers into a hive mind. If you're just doing the System Wars rounds, then hey, more power to you man. This is what we do here haha. But if you're genuinely interested in the platform, then yeah man, it's not at all what you seem to think.

I've been primarily a console gamer from the Atari 2600 all the way up through the PS3. I only made the jump to PC as my primary in recent years, and I absolutely do not intend on going back. I still buy consoles for exclusives though, but ask yourself this? If PC were as inconvenient as you seem to think, then why wouldn't I just play on my PS4 instead?

Meh on Streaming gaming on PC.

Glad for folks that don't have a PS4 and can play games without one now, but I'd rather continue using my PS4 and own the few exclusives I'm interested in. I'm not about to waste bandwidth or $156/year streaming a few games, I wish to play at a worse quality than the originating source. Knowing that PS Now has a region lock, (that goes for any streaming service) makes it even more unappealing.

@ConanTheStoner: I appreciate your input and I am most certainly not doing the system wars thing. I never do and find it disgusting. I've been a PC gamer a few times in the past and had nothing but trouble. I think you may be right about it being better these days. I have to wonder though when I see so many threads concerning issues on PC for games. Maybe they just have high standards but I often hear about games crashing and major problems. I don't know first hand, I'm just reading the forums. It reminds me of problems I had when I was a PC gamer. I want to believe people like you and I have no prejudice, I'm just going to be mad if I go all in yet again and run into the same old frustrating problems. I'm just cautious because I have been burned before.

@mark1974:

Yeah man, that's understandable, and no worries. PC gaming used to frustrate me as well. I'd only skim the top and play the bigger exclusive releases, but I always went back to consoles for ease of use + I preferred the console libraries. It's only in recent years that the experience has become damn near plug n play on PC. And as a result, it's getting all the games that used to pass the platform right on by. It's really a different beast now.

Bad ports can still happen. Slipping through the cracks with an odd configuration can still happen. I'm not saying it's going to be perfect for everyone. But it won't be a regular part of the experience either. Maybe something you'll deal with once every few years lol.

I will always prefer consoles and the idea of streaming games disgusts me.

I abandoned PC gaming many years ago when: increase your RAM, improve your graphics card, do this, do that, add here ..... fvck it. I like consoles.

Wait, you guys are okay with 20-30 fps in most games for decades now on your crappy consoles, but all of a sudden the possibility of slow streaming is bad?

You might need to speak to @ronvalencia for more Alternative Facts and hipocracy.

The world doesn't revolves around you.

Doesn't revolve around the lowest common denominator either. SW isn't a popularity content. It's always been about quality. We're more interested in gfx and score charts rather than sales.

But I'm just pointing out hypocrites. You can't knock streaming, but on the other hand defend trashy 20-30 fps on low/medium for decades.

What's hypocritical about my posts?

Streaming has more compressed pixels than the local version and the compression type is lossy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy_compression

Any PC visual quality arguments has to be balanced with current gen mainstream gaming PC GPUs i.e. RX-470, RX-480, 1060, RX-570 (April), RX-580 (April) and 'etc'.

Because some ravaged PC gamers just want every single bell and whistle possible, even unnecessary ones. But, the problem is, things like key bindings have been standard for over a decade, so without them, it just rings console port.

PC has the best visuals and performance.

Now it also has all of xb/ps exclusives!

MS sells Surface Pro 4, Surface Book, Surface Studio with GTX 980M option, Xbox One S (gimped Polaris 11 based) and soon Scorpio (most likely Vega 11 based), which are all Windows 10 based devices. Each hardware targets different prices, form factors and after sales support segments.

Xbox One family is the "white goods" type gaming device for Windows 10.

Xbox One family separates itself from Windows 10 PC build with code signing, official support for hit-the-metal GPU access and memory architecture, while UWP and DX12 are common on both XBO and Wintel PCs.

I can develop and run any app on retail Xbox One in dev kit mode just like a Wintel PC.

Xbox One can run PC game builds at less optimal performance i.e. AMD haven't figured NVIDIA's smart driver for tile render. NVIDIA's smart driver for Maxwell/Pascal converts immediate mode render into tile cache render.

PS; Microsoft plans to offer Pascal GPUs for future Surface Studio.

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Microsoft was the co-creator and kingmaker for AMD's X86-64 instruction set and doom'ed Intel's Itanium.

X86-64's Long Mode and legacy 32bit support design is Windows X64 on silicon!

Xbox One is Microsoft's Steam box done correctly...

@ronvalencia said:

@zaryia said:

@ronvalencia said:

@zaryia said:

Doesn't revolve around the lowest common denominator either. SW isn't a popularity content. It's always been about quality. We're more interested in gfx and score charts rather than sales.

But I'm just pointing out hypocrites. You can't knock streaming, but on the other hand defend trashy 20-30 fps on low/medium for decades.

What's hypocritical about my posts?

Streaming has more compressed pixels than the local version and the compression type is lossy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy_compression

Any PC visual quality arguments has to be balanced with current gen mainstream gaming PC GPUs i.e. RX-470, RX-480, 1060, RX-570 (April), RX-580 (April) and 'etc'.

PC has the best visuals and performance.

Now it also has all of xb/ps exclusives!

MS sells Surface Pro 4, Surface Book, Surface Studio with GTX 980M option, Xbox One S (gimped Polaris 11 based) and soon Scorpio (most likely Vega 11 based), which are all Windows 10 based devices. Each hardware targets different prices, form factors and after sales support segments.

Xbox One family is the "white goods" type gaming device for Windows 10.

Xbox One family separates itself from Windows 10 PC build with code signing, official support for hit-the-metal GPU access and memory architecture, while UWP and DX12 are common on both XBO and Wintel PCs.

I can develop and run any app on retail Xbox One in dev kit mode just like a Wintel PC.

Xbox One can run PC game builds at less optimal performance i.e. AMD haven't figured NVIDIA's smart driver for tile render. NVIDIA's smart driver for Maxwell/Pascal converts immediate mode render into tile cache render.

PS; Microsoft plans to offer Pascal GPUs for future Surface Studio.

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Microsoft was the co-creator and kingmaker for AMD's X86-64 instruction set and doom'ed Intel's Itanium.

X86-64's Long Mode and legacy 32bit support design is Windows X64 on silicon!

Xbox One is Microsoft's Steam box done correctly...

Nothing you wrote refutes the facts I stated. You're literally spamming me with replies in multiple threads with completely random off-topic data. Are you high?

PC has the best visuals and performance.

Now it also has almost all of xb/ps exclusives!

Whatever happened to that guy who defended the acquisition of On Live (I think) by Sony? ;)

I thought that was funny as hell. But, he was very fanatical about it.

I play most of the game son my pc with a controller.

@zaryia said:

@ronvalencia said:

@zaryia said:

@ronvalencia said:

What's hypocritical about my posts?

Streaming has more compressed pixels than the local version and the compression type is lossy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy_compression

Any PC visual quality arguments has to be balanced with current gen mainstream gaming PC GPUs i.e. RX-470, RX-480, 1060, RX-570 (April), RX-580 (April) and 'etc'.

PC has the best visuals and performance.

Now it also has all of xb/ps exclusives!

MS sells Surface Pro 4, Surface Book, Surface Studio with GTX 980M option, Xbox One S (gimped Polaris 11 based) and soon Scorpio (most likely Vega 11 based), which are all Windows 10 based devices. Each hardware targets different prices, form factors and after sales support segments.

Xbox One family is the "white goods" type gaming device for Windows 10.

Xbox One family separates itself from Windows 10 PC build with code signing, official support for hit-the-metal GPU access and memory architecture, while UWP and DX12 are common on both XBO and Wintel PCs.

I can develop and run any app on retail Xbox One in dev kit mode just like a Wintel PC.

Xbox One can run PC game builds at less optimal performance i.e. AMD haven't figured NVIDIA's smart driver for tile render. NVIDIA's smart driver for Maxwell/Pascal converts immediate mode render into tile cache render.

PS; Microsoft plans to offer Pascal GPUs for future Surface Studio.

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Microsoft was the co-creator and kingmaker for AMD's X86-64 instruction set and doom'ed Intel's Itanium.

X86-64's Long Mode and legacy 32bit support design is Windows X64 on silicon!

Xbox One is Microsoft's Steam box done correctly...

Nothing you wrote refutes the facts I stated. You're literally spamming me with replies in multiple threads with completely random off-topic data. Are you high?

PC has the best visuals and performance.

Now it also has almost all of xb/ps exclusives!

I refute your xb within your xb/ps. MS's first party games are exclusive to Windows 10 based devices.

You seem so butthurt that PS4 exclusives are going to be on the PC. lol

They aren't but okay. You'll get a bunch of 3rd party games at low resolutions and maybe eventually infamous second son.

Not to mention playstation now is garbage.

For gaming, hell no! And to think that you can now play all MS/Sony titles on it.

@zaryia: pc games can be streamed to smart tvs and other devices.

It has no exclusives either

I use to be a consoler like you then I took an arrow to the knee.

They can't be played on other consoles though.

The Smart TV requires you to own a gaming PC.

@ronvalencia said:

I refute your xb within your xb/ps. MS's first party games are exclusive to Windows 10 based devices.

XBOX ONE has almost no exclusives, now that most can be played on PC.

Refute this.

@zaryia: Nope , nivida has a cloud game service available. Feel free to google others.

Plus with a steam link you can rent from a neighbor. Without the system stepping in the house. Or you owning it.

You can play all PC games on PS4/XB?

just because you can't use it properly... doesn't mean others can't

Now that you can play all the PS4 games on PC, you might as well just get a PC.

Game streaming is a horrendous way to play games, I've tried OnLive when it was available and I was left disgusted. I absolutely prefer playing games on the local hardware as there is no loss of picture quality.

I mainly play on PC as the game library / choice is much bigger, and I like to experience games in their best form - better performance and image quality as well as other control choices whether you want to play with the keyboard / mouse or controller. Consoles are extremely limiting.

Didnt say ps4 i said a smart tv. And old ps3 with linux might should work tho

Btw this is system wars logic not mine. Streaming cannot make a game no longer exclusive period imo.

Buying a steam link makes no game exclusive long as theres a source next door or in the next state (cloud servers)

@putaspongeon: with a steam link and somone with the system nextdoor you can. Pretty sure they would want a rental fee like ps now tho.

The games wont be in your house, you wont have to own it , and it will play on your tv.

No system or pc needed in the house on the consumers end.

Lulz, disgusting.

By the way this thread is a paradox on the low. "Pc" is not a brand and is not specifically one plaform.

Its like me saying "will there ever be console better than a console ? "

Did they even confirm that?

Still counts. Most games are still multiplats that run as bad as streaming on consoles.

PC is great for RTS everything else you better of owning a console. I see online hackers and cheaters wreck multiplayer games and the servers are often not official.