Windows 7 is out and it apparently means nothing for PC gamers

games on computers would be best on linux . its faster and more stable open gl is better then dx . plus linux is free so more money to spend on games .

dontshackzmii

Please god no, troubleshooting linux problems is a massive PITA. Open GL isn't 'better' than dx either, it is different and good but lacking features.

And TC, stop moaning about this, no one is buying 7 for games right now because there is no pressing need. Microsoft could mention it on the site but the people that want to know already do and the general public couldn't give a rats ass.

You will also find that as more DX 11 cards filter into the channel MS will change it's marketing strategy slightly and target gamers once more. Plus MS isn't stupid and knows the majority of early adopter gamers on PC simply DL a cracked version of windows anyway.

Then you say MS is killing PC gaming yet because of them we now how a PC standard controller, the best there is at that, and native support for it in 90% of new titles that should use it. This has given the PC both console like appeal and allowed game devs to port more titles. I can play Batman AA on my PC in high def, much smoother FR, with nicer textures, on my 360 pad while chatting to friends playing on 360. I also earn cross platform achievement points.

Damn drama queens.

if games were made for linux there would not be many problems . people cry about lunux being a bit harder. but at least we dont have to deal with a DRM ridden os with 1000s apon 1000s of vires and spyware . windows slows down very easy t o .

if games were made for linux there would not be many problems . people cry about lunux being a bit harder. but at least we dont have to deal with a DRM ridden os with 1000s apon 1000s of vires and spyware . windows slows down very easy t o .

dontshackzmii

If Linux was popular then it would suffer the same problems as Windows. People don't 'cry' about Linux being a 'bit harder' and when you say 'linux' which distro's are you talking about? The free ones? The pay for ones? The supported or unsupported ones?

Windows doesn't 'slow down' very easy either, only for those of you who can't stop installing toolbars and free screensavers. I have run this machine for close on 2 years without any antivirus software. I have no slowdown, no viruses or spyware and no technical issues. How do I do this? I don't install 3rd party crapware and don't surf for free pr0n and illegal game downloads.

if games were made for linux there would not be many problems . people cry about lunux being a bit harder. but at least we dont have to deal with a DRM ridden os with 1000s apon 1000s of vires and spyware . windows slows down very easy t o .

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Microsoft have given up on PC gaming. PC gamers gave up on Microsoft long ago, Vista was just an insult.skrat_01

Vista is great for 64bit... it's better then in XP in that area.

Dx10 was an insult... how did XP did anything for gaming?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]1) Windows 7 runs more efficiently than vista, meaning more RAM and CPU horsepower is reserved for your games 2) DirectX 11 will probably make Windows 7 gaming live a longer lifespan, but its too early to make suggestions now. We'll leave this for another time to discuss 3) Windows 7 is optomised for SSD's. Windows XP runs like a dog on SSD, let alone playing games on it 4) Windows 7 likely has more efficient GPU driver mechanics, but not too sure on specifics Too early to judge Windows 7 at this stage, but its loads better than Vista, so don't worry, PC gaming will stay strong regardlessPandaBear86

what?

http://www.driverheaven.net/articles.php?articleid=137&pageid=1

It doesn't performe better then vista in games... ain't it obvious? Your whole argument is about gaming... praising windows 7, comon!

Games in XP still run better than W7.

kunal1092000

Nop...

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Brownesque"] Meanwhile every time I install a Linux kernel update I get an auto update window, click "download" and then I restart. Yeah, dood, Windows gaming ROXX! We wouldn't be having this problem if we used an operating system that wasn't designed to steal market share like a plague, suck up system resources, splinter communities, implement proprietary systems, force new versions of Windows just for API (DirectX) updates, and so on.Brownesque

How can you say Windows 7 is a failure?

People here confuse Pc gaming with MS. Is the same think as samsung and console gaming. Memory on consoles is manufactured by samsung . That doesnt mean samsung has anything to do with console gaming

Also Aliens Vs predator, dirt 2, Stalker call of pripyat, battlefield BC2, BF1943 and BF3 ( basically all frostbite engine games) and Battleforge will support DX11 so there are already games been developed with dx11 in mind

Official Games for Windows website says absolutely nothing about it.

No info about DirectX 11 games. No info about the gaming advantages of Windows 7. Absolutely nothing about gamers should get interested into getting Windows 7.

I mean, way to go Microsoft. It's no wonder consolites cast the death of the PC platform.

With this kind of support from the company which should be the biggest advocate of the PC platform, I'm really not sure just how bright the future of PC gaming actually is.

IgGy621985

DX11 is also possible with Vista thats why

People here confuse Pc gaming with MS. Is the same think as samsung and console gaming. Memory on consoles is manufactured by samsung . That doesnt mean samsung has anything to do with console gaming

adamosmaki

Windows 7 is a failure AS A PC GAMING PLATFORM because it uses a new version of the DirectX API that NO DEVELOPER, read zero, is supporting, and it currently stands at the smallest market share out of the three dominant Windows versions. To take advantage of DirectX11 you need DirectX11 compatible videocards and either Windows Vista or Windows 7. Are you prepared to make that upgrade? I know I'm not. The problem here is that means developers have to code across 3 different operating systems (although Vista and 7 are similar) with 3 different hardware/software feature sets and limitations just to take advantage of Windows 7 when Windows 7 isn't even exhibiting superior game performance in DX9 over XP or Vista. There's no point for consumers and there's no point for developers, it's a self-perpetuating cycle of fail.Brownesque

Windows 7 came out not 48 hours ago.

Besides that,

Patcher: "Microsoft wants you to never play a game again on your PC and play everything on your 360"

Could he be wrong? Maybe. Maybe not. For all I know, Microsoft throws everything they have into Xbox.

IgGy621985

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

Official Games for Windows website says absolutely nothing about it.

No info about DirectX 11 games. No info about the gaming advantages of Windows 7. Absolutely nothing about gamers should get interested into getting Windows 7.

I mean, way to go Microsoft. It's no wonder consolites cast the death of the PC platform.

With this kind of support from the company which should be the biggest advocate of the PC platform, I'm really not sure just how bright the future of PC gaming actually is.

SLIisaownsystem

DX11 is also possible with Vista thats why

This ^^

MS didn't make the same mistake they did with Vista by making it a mandatory upgrade to take advantage of the latest verison of DirectX. That's a good thing as it portends there will be more support for DX11 making it more likely that it will eventually replace DX9. Only somebody completely clueless of PC's would call this a bad thing.

Other then that, Windows 7 wasn't supposed to address any issues with the gaming community, it was supposed to address the fact that Vista was seen as a bucket of crap. How anyone can spin the release of a more efficient PC OS as a bad thing for the gaming community is simply beyond me.

I see no reason to quit using XP and start using 7 when XP works fine. Besides, official support for XP doesn't end until April 2014. And I don't plan on giving XP up until it's really hard to get any new apps to work on it.

People realized after DX10 there was no reason to get excited over this crap again. It's a rather expensive migration for diminishing returns. Honestly, almost no PC developers are supporting the platform's feature set because almost no hardware's out that supports it and the smallest portion of the PC using community is on Windows 7 right now, there's hardly any point to spend the development resources maximizing DX11 optimization, particularly considering a lot of PC games are multi-platform. That and the only in-game benchmarks I've seen for Windows 7 showed worse performance than both Windows XP AND Windows Vista.Brownesque

How is it expensive? I bought an upgrade copy of the professional edition for 30$. Edit: And what crazy benchmarks are you talking about? It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin.

Windows 7 is a failure AS A PC GAMING PLATFORM because it uses a new version of the DirectX API that NO DEVELOPER, read zero, is supporting, and it currently stands at the smallest market share out of the three dominant Windows versions. To take advantage of DirectX11 you need DirectX11 compatible videocards and either Windows Vista or Windows 7. Are you prepared to make that upgrade? I know I'm not. The problem here is that means developers have to code across 3 different operating systems (although Vista and 7 are similar) with 3 different hardware/software feature sets and limitations just to take advantage of Windows 7 when Windows 7 isn't even exhibiting superior game performance in DX9 over XP or Vista. There's no point for consumers and there's no point for developers, it's a self-perpetuating cycle of fail.Brownesque

you haven't seen this game yet?

http://www.shatteredhorizon.com/media/screenshots/

Dx9 is also on Win7... so how did it fail again?

Windows 7 itself is a good enough reason for PC Gamers to upgrade. It is a fantastic OS. It is stable, it is fast, it has a very slick interface, it is easy to use..... There is no reason not to upgrade. Also, DX11 was going to be in Vista and Windows 7 from the start so why you are surprised by that is beyond me.KingsMessenger

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]Windows 7 itself is a good enough reason for PC Gamers to upgrade. It is a fantastic OS. It is stable, it is fast, it has a very slick interface, it is easy to use..... There is no reason not to upgrade. Also, DX11 was going to be in Vista and Windows 7 from the start so why you are surprised by that is beyond me.mattbbpl

LOL

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]Windows 7 itself is a good enough reason for PC Gamers to upgrade. It is a fantastic OS. It is stable, it is fast, it has a very slick interface, it is easy to use..... There is no reason not to upgrade. Also, DX11 was going to be in Vista and Windows 7 from the start so why you are surprised by that is beyond me.Firebird-5

LOL

Pc gamers and makers need to move on the Linux distros... Ubuntu works faster than windows... out of 2gb of ram it only uses 105mb for OS and all background stuff.. It boots in 2 seconds and has a "REAL 3D DESKTOP" with the cube... you also get unlimited control to tweak every thing and recode what ever you want. Plus the servers are better....We could only dream though, devs aren't going to do that, not with the monopoly in place. :(Midnightshade29

I got Win 7 Ultimate earlier today, but i have been using it for almost 6 months now, with the RC, and for the past month the RTM.Its an absolutely fantastic OS, and would recommend it to anyone. Gamers are not the core audience Windows 7 is trying ot attract at launch, DX11 cards came out ONE MONTH AGO, just wait 6 months, and you will start seeing DX11 support.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I got Win 7 Ultimate earlier today, but i have been using it for almost 6 months now, with the RC, and for the past month the RTM.Its an absolutely fantastic OS, and would recommend it to anyone. Gamers are not the core audience Windows 7 is trying ot attract at launch, DX11 cards came out ONE MONTH AGO, just wait 6 months, and you will start seeing DX11 support.

Midnightshade29

I agree that MS is to blame for DX10 not taking off, but the 360 had nothing to do with it. DX10 failed because MS was stupid enough to tie it to a new OS for no reason that went on to fail miserably.

Official Games for Windows website says absolutely nothing about it.

No info about DirectX 11 games. No info about the gaming advantages of Windows 7. Absolutely nothing about gamers should get interested into getting Windows 7.

I mean, way to go Microsoft. It's no wonder consolites cast the death of the PC platform.

With this kind of support from the company which should be the biggest advocate of the PC platform, I'm really not sure just how bright the future of PC gaming actually is.

[QUOTE="kunal1092000"]

Games in XP still run better than W7.

110million

From the screens i've seen DX 11 and DX 10/9 look damn near identical.nmaharg

the new crysis game should bring some light on pc gamers for their gazzillion dollar pc's.

ZoomZoom2490

I paid $700 ca for my pc and it crushes every game out there. WOW $700 oooo my god..................WTF are most of that poor

I used to be anti-Linux too. Once you get used to it, it really is a better world.mattbbpl

[QUOTE="SLIisaownsystem"]

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

Official Games for Windows website says absolutely nothing about it.

No info about DirectX 11 games. No info about the gaming advantages of Windows 7. Absolutely nothing about gamers should get interested into getting Windows 7.

I mean, way to go Microsoft. It's no wonder consolites cast the death of the PC platform.

With this kind of support from the company which should be the biggest advocate of the PC platform, I'm really not sure just how bright the future of PC gaming actually is.

myke2010

DX11 is also possible with Vista thats why

This ^^

MS didn't make the same mistake they did with Vista by making it a mandatory upgrade to take advantage of the latest verison of DirectX. That's a good thing as it portends there will be more support for DX11 making it more likely that it will eventually replace DX9. Only somebody completely clueless of PC's would call this a bad thing.

Other then that, Windows 7 wasn't supposed to address any issues with the gaming community, it was supposed to address the fact that Vista was seen as a bucket of crap. How anyone can spin the release of a more efficient PC OS as a bad thing for the gaming community is simply beyond me.

The only reason why people are droping XP is because it's EOL.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]People realized after DX10 there was no reason to get excited over this crap again. It's a rather expensive migration for diminishing returns. Honestly, almost no PC developers are supporting the platform's feature set because almost no hardware's out that supports it and the smallest portion of the PC using community is on Windows 7 right now, there's hardly any point to spend the development resources maximizing DX11 optimization, particularly considering a lot of PC games are multi-platform. That and the only in-game benchmarks I've seen for Windows 7 showed worse performance than both Windows XP AND Windows Vista.topgunmv

How is it expensive? I bought an upgrade copy of the professional edition for 30$. Edit: And what crazy benchmarks are you talking about? It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin.

I'd like to see thoses games benchmarks... Win7 and Vista have the same performance from what I saw.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Eh, I've got all those features in my free linux distro. mattbbpl

LOL

How does it coop with gaming?

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I got Win 7 Ultimate earlier today, but i have been using it for almost 6 months now, with the RC, and for the past month the RTM.Its an absolutely fantastic OS, and would recommend it to anyone. Gamers are not the core audience Windows 7 is trying ot attract at launch, DX11 cards came out ONE MONTH AGO, just wait 6 months, and you will start seeing DX11 support.

Midnightshade29

360 made devs stop makgin PC games... hmmm, are you sure PC still hasn't the most exclusives games ?

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="kunal1092000"]

Games in XP still run better than W7.

Midnightshade29

Yeah, 3D desktop is sooooo usefull... multiple desktops have been supported years ago... never heard of "Go Screen"?

Dude. Microsoft did what they needed to: Fix Vista.

Like it or not, we're not the largest consumers of the Windows OS. When 75% of all corporations refuse to upgrade, your focus is on fixing the OS for use in a working situation.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]People realized after DX10 there was no reason to get excited over this crap again. It's a rather expensive migration for diminishing returns. Honestly, almost no PC developers are supporting the platform's feature set because almost no hardware's out that supports it and the smallest portion of the PC using community is on Windows 7 right now, there's hardly any point to spend the development resources maximizing DX11 optimization, particularly considering a lot of PC games are multi-platform. That and the only in-game benchmarks I've seen for Windows 7 showed worse performance than both Windows XP AND Windows Vista.Bebi_vegeta

How is it expensive? I bought an upgrade copy of the professional edition for 30$. Edit: And what crazy benchmarks are you talking about? It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin.

I'd like to see thoses games benchmarks... Win7 and Vista have the same performance from what I saw.

Glitches when I link it for some reason. Heres the URL: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

How is it expensive? I bought an upgrade copy of the professional edition for 30$. Edit: And what crazy benchmarks are you talking about? It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin.

topgunmv

I'd like to see thoses games benchmarks... Win7 and Vista have the same performance from what I saw.

Glitches when I link it for some reason. Heres the URL: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3

So I was right... they performe the same in gaming benchmark?

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'd like to see thoses games benchmarks... Win7 and Vista have the same performance from what I saw.

Bebi_vegeta

Glitches when I link it for some reason. Heres the URL: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3

So I was right... they performe the same in gaming benchmark?

It depends on the game. Some are 10% faster, some are slower. Most of that is just due to the newness of the operating system. Overall performance when everything is looked at as a whole (application, networking, gaming, etc.) windows7 is much faster.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Glitches when I link it for some reason. Heres the URL: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3

topgunmv

So I was right... they performe the same in gaming benchmark?

It depends on the game. Some are 10% faster, some are slower. Most of that is just due to the newness of the operating system. Overall performance when everything is looked at as a whole (application, networking, gaming, etc.) windows7 is much faster.

Well... you said this " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ", which isn't true at all...