Windows 7 is out and it apparently means nothing for PC gamers

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

So I was right... they performe the same in gaming benchmark?

Bebi_vegeta

It depends on the game. Some are 10% faster, some are slower. Most of that is just due to the newness of the operating system. Overall performance when everything is looked at as a whole (application, networking, gaming, etc.) windows7 is much faster.

Well... you said this " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ", which isn't true at all...

Well it does, I didn't mean specifically in gaming. But I'm sure it will in gaming as well a couple months from now after all the kinks are worked out in the os and games become more optimised for the platform through patches.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

It depends on the game. Some are 10% faster, some are slower. Most of that is just due to the newness of the operating system. Overall performance when everything is looked at as a whole (application, networking, gaming, etc.) windows7 is much faster.

topgunmv

Well... you said this " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ", which isn't true at all...

Well it does, I didn't mean specifically in gaming. But I'm sure it will in gaming as well a couple months from now after all the kinks are worked out in the os and games become more optimised for the platform through patches.

Some application are better, some are worst... it's not like you said " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ". If it gets better with tweaks and patches, then i'm all for it... but as it stands now, and if we go by the contexte of this topic, it's not a better gaming OS then Vista.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Well... you said this " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ", which isn't true at all...

Bebi_vegeta

Well it does, I didn't mean specifically in gaming. But I'm sure it will in gaming as well a couple months from now after all the kinks are worked out in the os and games become more optimised for the platform through patches.

Some application are better, some are worst... it's not like you said " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ". If it gets better with tweaks and patches, then i'm all for it... but as it stands now, and if we go by the contexte of this topic, it's not a better gaming OS then Vista.

*Sigh* Read the article.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Well it does, I didn't mean specifically in gaming. But I'm sure it will in gaming as well a couple months from now after all the kinks are worked out in the os and games become more optimised for the platform through patches.

topgunmv

Some application are better, some are worst... it's not like you said " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ". If it gets better with tweaks and patches, then i'm all for it... but as it stands now, and if we go by the contexte of this topic, it's not a better gaming OS then Vista.

*Sigh* Read the article.

Look at the benchmarks...

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Some application are better, some are worst... it's not like you said " It outperforms Vista by a considerable margin ". If it gets better with tweaks and patches, then i'm all for it... but as it stands now, and if we go by the contexte of this topic, it's not a better gaming OS then Vista.

Bebi_vegeta

*Sigh* Read the article.

Look at the benchmarks...

Read the article..the benchmarks are just one page of 5.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

LOL

How does it coop with gaming?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

*Sigh* Read the article.

topgunmv

Look at the benchmarks...

Read the article..the benchmarks are just one page of 5.

Why is it so hard to just look at the benchmark and understand that it's has about the same performance in gaming then vista? Which is the whole point of this topic...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I used to be anti-Linux too. Once you get used to it, it really is a better world.mattbbpl

How does it coop with gaming?

And that's the reason why... until I can, well Windows will always be the only OS I use.

the future of pc gaming isn't dependent on microsoft.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How does it coop with gaming?

And that's the reason why... until I can, well Windows will always be the only OS I use.

W7... I'm still on Vistas, but my laptop is powerless for Crysis graphics :(

Also, the new Mac Ads are very clever. Apple tries to steal consumers when they know they are planning on change. The ads were pretty good, but it's so mean (for lack of a better term).

I gotta say, I love watching them :D Not since Nintendo vs. Sega have I known such a personal war.

If only Playstation vs. 360 was more like that. Then again, we have enough fanboys for that

Official Games for Windows website says absolutely nothing about it.

No info about DirectX 11 games. No info about the gaming advantages of Windows 7. Absolutely nothing about gamers should get interested into getting Windows 7.

I mean, way to go Microsoft. It's no wonder consolites cast the death of the PC platform.

With this kind of support from the company which should be the biggest advocate of the PC platform, I'm really not sure just how bright the future of PC gaming actually is.

IgGy621985

Windows 7 is nice, I think that will replace XP in most of PC gaming systems in the next two years, but at the same time I think that the most anticipated PC games has bit relation with W7 and DX 11, since Starcraft II and Diablo III and Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 aren't focused in DX 11 -Blizzard titles will be DX 9-.

I'm not really planning on upgrading to Windows 7 for a while. I know that people have been saying a lot of good things about it, but I can't justify spending so much money for a such a small upgrade. Indeed, people have been saying W7 runs much faster, but I know of many good DYI tweaks for Vista.

Even though DirectX 11 is new, it is also available for Vista. So, really, what are we paying for when we upgrade to Windows 7? A non-annoying UAC? A faster UI? Windows XP mode? Which, by the way, can easily be done with VirtualBox.

I have Windows XP on my gaming PC and I would install vista or Windows 7 on it if I got a copy for free. I'm not one to go out and spend $200 on a new OS. If it ain't broke don't fix it! There's nothing wrong with my copy of Windows XP.

I have Vista on my laptop and it works great. I don't see the need for Windows 7 on either of my computers. Both operating systems allow me to do what I want to do.

The fact that there are zero DX11 games out might be a problem.....

Fizzman

That's because DirectX 11 is brand new and I believe that the only video cards supporting it that are released are the ATi Radeon 5750 and 5770.

dx10 patch for xp and things would have turned out very diffrently for dx10 and since dx11 automatically churns out dx10 code dx11 would have been adopted even faster as u code game in dx11 for vista and win7 and still get a game for the xp users. but as it stands most people still have xp so yeah...

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

The fact that there are zero DX11 games out might be a problem.....

Phoenix534

That's because DirectX 11 is brand new and I believe that the only video cards supporting it that are released are the ATi Radeon 5750 and 5770.

Well any ATI 5000 series supports it.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Look at the benchmarks...

Bebi_vegeta

Read the article..the benchmarks are just one page of 5.

Why is it so hard to just look at the benchmark and understand that it's has about the same performance in gaming then vista? Which is the whole point of this topic...

Because it's not? It took them a lot less time to perform all the benchmarks on 7. Just look at the charts, a few slower results doesn't mean the whole os is slower on the whole. It also performed higher in the majority of the gaming benchmarks and all but one of the dx10 benchmarks.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Read the article..the benchmarks are just one page of 5.

topgunmv

Why is it so hard to just look at the benchmark and understand that it's has about the same performance in gaming then vista? Which is the whole point of this topic...

Because it's not? It took them a lot less time to perform all the benchmarks on 7. Just look at the charts, a few slower results doesn't mean the whole os is slower on the whole. It also performed higher in the majority of the gaming benchmarks and all but one of the dx10 benchmarks.

What? Are you looking at the same benchmarks? I'm nothing talking about XP here, but Vista vs Win7...

Oh yes, 1% better for Win7... are you serious, I'll repeat, they perform about the same in gaming performance and not way better like you seem to think...

Here's another review that says the same thing http://www.driverheaven.net/articles.php?articleid=137&pageid=3

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Why is it so hard to just look at the benchmark and understand that it's has about the same performance in gaming then vista? Which is the whole point of this topic...

Bebi_vegeta

Because it's not? It took them a lot less time to perform all the benchmarks on 7. Just look at the charts, a few slower results doesn't mean the whole os is slower on the whole. It also performed higher in the majority of the gaming benchmarks and all but one of the dx10 benchmarks.

What? Are you looking at the same benchmarks? I'm nothing talking about XP here, but Vista vs Win7...

Oh yes, 1% better for Win7... are you serious, I'll repeat, they perform about the same in gaming performance and not way better like you seem to think...

Here's another review that says the same thing http://www.driverheaven.net/articles.php?articleid=137&pageid=3

Alright fine, would it be better if I said windows 7 outperforms vista in gaming by a "small" margin for now? On a different note, 1-2% isnt a bad boost in performance for 30$

I have Windows XP on my gaming PC and I would install vista or Windows 7 on it if I got a copy for free. I'm not one to go out and spend $200 on a new OS. If it ain't broke don't fix it! There's nothing wrong with my copy of Windows XP.

I have Vista on my laptop and it works great. I don't see the need for Windows 7 on either of my computers. Both operating systems allow me to do what I want to do.

CPM_basic

I still have yet to see ANY reason what so ever to upgrade from windows XP to Vista or Windows 7 for gaming.sSubZerOo

call me crazy but my games do in fact run better on Windows 7 than in Vista. [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I still have yet to see ANY reason what so ever to upgrade from windows XP to Vista or Windows 7 for gaming.Tjeremiah1988

Dx11 games have been out for months?

call me crazy but my games do in fact run better on Windows 7 than in Vista. [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I still have yet to see ANY reason what so ever to upgrade from windows XP to Vista or Windows 7 for gaming.Tjeremiah1988

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]call me crazy but my games do in fact run better on Windows 7 than in Vista. [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I still have yet to see ANY reason what so ever to upgrade from windows XP to Vista or Windows 7 for gaming.sSubZerOo

The only reason I did was for the 64bit support other then that, XP would still be my OS.

games on computers would be best on linux . its faster and more stable open gl is better then dx . plus linux is free so more money to spend on games .

dontshackzmii

Microsoft uses 360 for games, and uses windows 7 for well operating system. MS says keep the debate going for all we care hahahah....

games on computers would be best on linux . its faster and more stable open gl is better then dx . plus linux is free so more money to spend on games .

Pc gamers and makers need to move on the Linux distros... Ubuntu works faster than windows... out of 2gb of ram it only uses 105mb for OS and all background stuff.. It boots in 2 seconds and has a "REAL 3D DESKTOP" with the cube... you also get unlimited control to tweak every thing and recode what ever you want. Plus the servers are better....We could only dream though, devs aren't going to do that, not with the monopoly in place. :(Midnightshade29

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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

The fact that there are zero DX11 games out might be a problem.....

Bebi_vegeta

That's because DirectX 11 is brand new and I believe that the only video cards supporting it that are released are the ATi Radeon 5750 and 5770.

Well any ATI 5000 series supports it.

The 5800 series doesn't arrive until November 30. Also, DX11 is already been confirmed for a few games, such as STALKER Call of Prypiat, the new Lord of the Rings Online expansion, and Aliens vs Predator. Also, Battleforge already supports DX11. So, DX11 is already becoming what Microsoft hoped DX10 would be.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]call me crazy but my games do in fact run better on Windows 7 than in Vista. [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] BattleForge has been out and uses DX11.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]call me crazy but my games do in fact run better on Windows 7 than in Vista. [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I still have yet to see ANY reason what so ever to upgrade from windows XP to Vista or Windows 7 for gaming.Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"] You will and this thread is kinda pointless. There have been DX 11 games out for months. People here , while browsing through the thread, say otherwise which is false. Windows 7 > Vista and XP. The performance speak for themselves. Tjeremiah1988

And some other games that will support DX11 are DiRT 2, STALKER Call of Prypiat, and Lord of the Rings Online.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

That's because DirectX 11 is brand new and I believe that the only video cards supporting it that are released are the ATi Radeon 5750 and 5770.

Phoenix534

Well any ATI 5000 series supports it.

The 5800 series doesn't arrive until November 30. Also, DX11 is already been confirmed for a few games, such as STALKER Call of Prypiat, the new Lord of the Rings Online expansion, and Aliens vs Predator. Also, Battleforge already supports DX11. So, DX11 is already becoming what Microsoft hoped DX10 would be.

Umm what, 5800 series has been out for a little over a month now.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Well any ATI 5000 series supports it.

Fizzman

The 5800 series doesn't arrive until November 30. Also, DX11 is already been confirmed for a few games, such as STALKER Call of Prypiat, the new Lord of the Rings Online expansion, and Aliens vs Predator. Also, Battleforge already supports DX11. So, DX11 is already becoming what Microsoft hoped DX10 would be.

Umm what, 5800 series has been out for a little over a month now.

Wow. NewEgg is a little late to the party then. None of the 5800 series cards are avaliable through them yet.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

The 5800 series doesn't arrive until November 30. Also, DX11 is already been confirmed for a few games, such as STALKER Call of Prypiat, the new Lord of the Rings Online expansion, and Aliens vs Predator. Also, Battleforge already supports DX11. So, DX11 is already becoming what Microsoft hoped DX10 would be.

Phoenix534

Umm what, 5800 series has been out for a little over a month now.

Wow. NewEgg is a little late to the party then. None of the 5800 series cards are avaliable through them yet.

no they have been sold out, thats why Newegg doesnt have any. They had a few available about a week ago, but sold out quickly after that.

Tigerdirect.com currently has 5xxx series available for sale.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

The fact that there are zero DX11 games out might be a problem.....

aaronmullan

Not only that, but it's brand-new, so there will still be glitches to fix, not to mention the software guys not working for Microsoft will discover Windows 7 exploits before Microsoft does: this actually gets them fixed faster.

It was a bit unnerving to read that something as simple as a buffer overflow could allow someone to take control of your PC.:o

That's one good thing about XP: just about all of those are fixed.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Umm what, 5800 series has been out for a little over a month now.

Fizzman

Wow. NewEgg is a little late to the party then. None of the 5800 series cards are avaliable through them yet.

no they have been sold out, thats why Newegg doesnt have any. They had a few available about a week ago, but sold out quickly after that.

Tigerdirect.com currently has 5xxx series available for sale.

What the heck? I had them notify me when they had some in-stock. I've been checking the site every few hours for the past month.

well no dx 11 games is the problem same reason I claim theirs no point in getting excited over dx11 cards

well no dx 11 games is the problem same reason I claim theirs no point in getting excited over dx11 cards

kemar7856

You can't expect everything to support DX11 rgiht when it comes out. Hell, DX9 didn't have that kind of support.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

That's because DirectX 11 is brand new and I believe that the only video cards supporting it that are released are the ATi Radeon 5750 and 5770.

Phoenix534

Well any ATI 5000 series supports it.

The 5800 series doesn't arrive until November 30. Also, DX11 is already been confirmed for a few games, such as STALKER Call of Prypiat, the new Lord of the Rings Online expansion, and Aliens vs Predator. Also, Battleforge already supports DX11. So, DX11 is already becoming what Microsoft hoped DX10 would be.

Sir where have you been, they've been out since a few weeks/a month ago...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103084

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"] You will and this thread is kinda pointless. There have been DX 11 games out for months. People here , while browsing through the thread, say otherwise which is false. Windows 7 > Vista and XP. The performance speak for themselves. Tjeremiah1988

You said games... not 1 game.

But i'm supprise about battleforge supporting Dx11... the only difference is better performance between Dx10 and Dx11 in that game?

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"] .... What games are DX11? And some one has posted benchmarks, Windows 7 at best produces a whooping 3% performance increase or less in most tests so far.. For gaming there is no reason yet to why someone should upgrade from Xp to Windows 7 if its mainly for games.Bebi_vegeta

You said games... not 1 game.

As I have said. You can't expect DX11 to be incredibley supported on Day 1. Give it some time.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"] BattleForge has been out and uses DX11.

Phoenix534

You said games... not 1 game.

As I have said. You can't expect DX11 to be incredibley supported on Day 1. Give it some time.

Hey I wasin't the one who said Dx11 games have been out since months ago...

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You said games... not 1 game.

Bebi_vegeta

As I have said. You can't expect DX11 to be incredibley supported on Day 1. Give it some time.

Hey I wasin't the one who said Dx11 games have been out since months ago...

i didn't say that either.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

As I have said. You can't expect DX11 to be incredibley supported on Day 1. Give it some time.

Phoenix534

Hey I wasin't the one who said Dx11 games have been out since months ago...

i didn't say that either.

Okay, so what's your point... The guy said Dx11 games are already out and I called him out on it...