Witcher 2 flops on consoles

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Its funny people rip on VG charts but there really not that inaccurate.

AM-Gamer

Yes they are. There's a reason no serious website, forum, or business uses them for their numbers.

Look at the overall numbers that are reported and look how close they are to VG charts.

I think your a little off on judging all consoles by saying you can only get sales with an FPS. Arkham city sold very well and sold far better on consoles, Dark souls also sould over 1.2 million copies. Although alot of trash sells on consoles the pc is no better.

AM-Gamer

Doing it on purpose. I wasn't being serious with half the stuff I posted just then.

BTW Arkham City sold less because it wasn't released at the same time. Also PC games sell over time, not all at once. Unfortunately many publishers still don't understand that.

Look at the overall numbers that are reported and look how close they are to VG charts.

AM-Gamer

VG Chartz doesn't track digital, changes numbers after NPD/official statements (sometimes not at all,) and guesses with no real formulas.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Yes they are. There's a reason no serious website, forum, or business uses them for their numbers.

Ravensmash

Look at the overall numbers that are reported and look how close they are to VG charts.

They update them with corrected numbers though. There numbers on Witcher 2 should be about equal to the NPD's within the next couple months.

They update them with corrected numbers though. There numbers on Witcher 2 should be about equal to the NPD's within the next couple months.

AM-Gamer

NPD =/= world.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I think your a little off on judging all consoles by saying you can only get sales with an FPS. Arkham city sold very well and sold far better on consoles, Dark souls also sould over 1.2 million copies. Although alot of trash sells on consoles the pc is no better.

ChubbyGuy40

Doing it on purpose. I wasn't being serious with half the stuff I posted just then.

B ArkhTWam City sold less because it wasn't released at the same time. Also PC games sell over time, not all at once. Unfortunately many publishers still don't understand that.

And couldnt you say the same thing about the Witcher 2 on the 360? Late ports rarely ever sell as well as the original.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

They update them with corrected numbers though. There numbers on Witcher 2 should be about equal to the NPD's within the next couple months.

ChubbyGuy40

NPD =/= world.

Oh sorry VG charts takes world data , npd is actually North America only .

And couldnt you say the same thing about the Witcher 2 on the 360? Late ports rarely ever sell as well as the original.

AM-Gamer

You could. It's to be expected. The Witcher series isn't really geared toward the console crowd in the first place.

Oh sorry VG charts takes world data , npd is actually North America only .

AM-Gamer

NPD doesn't track digital sales either. Official statements are the only thing you can count as reliable numbers.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

And couldnt you say the same thing about the Witcher 2 on the 360? Late ports rarely ever sell as well as the original.

ChubbyGuy40

You could. It's to be expected. The Witcher series isn't really geared toward the console crowd in the first place.

Oh sorry VG charts takes world data , npd is actually North America only .

AM-Gamer

NPD doesn't track digital sales either. Official statements are the only thing you can count as reliable numbers.

Well im primarily a console gamer and I bought the Wticher 2 , I thought it was great( a reason to actually dust off the ole 360)

If we want to go by generlizations then all console gamers do is play COD and Motion control games while all pc gamers do is play free to play face book and browser games.

Well im primarily a console gamer and I bought the Wticher 2 , I thought it was great( a reason to actually dust off the ole 360)

If we want to go by generlizations then all console gamers do is play COD and Motion control games while all pc gamers do is play free to play face book and browser games.

AM-Gamer

That's good, but a game like TW2 isn't popular with the console crowd.

The generalizations were a joke. I wasn't being serious. And nuh-uh, us PC gamers are playing nothing but WoW.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Well im primarily a console gamer and I bought the Wticher 2 , I thought it was great( a reason to actually dust off the ole 360)

If we want to go by generlizations then all console gamers do is play COD and Motion control games while all pc gamers do is play free to play face book and browser games.

ChubbyGuy40

That's good, but a game like TW2 isn't popular with the console crowd.

The generalizations were a joke. I wasn't being serious. And nuh-uh, us PC gamers are playing nothing but WoW.

I dont know I just dont think they did a good job marketing it , and I think it would have also sold better on the PS3 . If a game like Darksouls can hit 1.2 million Witcher should be able to do it as well. They had an outstanding trailer for that game they should have posted it all over.

I dont know I just dont think they did a good job marketing it , and I think it would have also sold better on the PS3 . If a game like Darksouls can hit 1.2 million Witcher should be able to do it as well. They had an outstanding trailer for that game they should have posted it all over.

AM-Gamer

TW2 was never a high-budget title to begin with. 8 million is pathetic compared to even rushed console titles. It had very, very little marketing on PC and sold 1.2 million based mostly on word of mouth. Their marketing budget was very small. It's not because they didn't, it's because they couldn't. Honestly, they didn't need to market it. The success on PC guaranteed a sequel alone.

Dark Souls has combat. The Witcher 2 has combat, graphics, music, and story. Dark Souls was released on two platforms worldwide during the holiday season while TW2 was released in May on just PC.

I guess it doesn't have enough explosions ...

I guess it doesn't have enough explosions....

KiZZo1

and don't forget about the guns. :twisted:

So, it sold almost half PC copies ina few days

How is that a flop exactly ?

So, it sold almost half PC copies ina few days

How is that a flop exactly ?

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]

"LOLZZ VGchart!"

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http://www.gamespot.com/news/the-witcher-franchise-sells-15-million-in-2011-6350775

got love morons who bashing VGchart # without any clue, remember there's a day when a basement dweller opened a post accuesing VGchart guessed their way through to get the # just becaues they didn't like the sales # on a game they liked, next thing you know, every airheads jumped on the hating bandwagon. guess what? they still script their website, providing their "fake data" make a good living while you imbeciles are still 35 year old live in your mom's basement and beg her to buy you games and calling everything didn't lean to your interest "bad" or "fake"

NDP and VGcharts are using scientific method to gather data and conclude their result, calling they are a fuard, what better # can you provide?

The sale # from VGchart for TW2 btw, are absolute correct or 99% close to NPD data. according to CD project themslves the witcher franchise only sold a mere 1.5 mil combine TW1, TW1EE, and TW2 and TW2EE add a mere .29 to the total. pity.

that means 1.1 million from TW2 since Feb, which exactly matchs VGchart data

http://www.gamespot.com/news/the-witcher-franchise-sells-15-million-in-2011-6350775

Not only TW2 flops on conosle, but it flopped on PC too. after so many marketing trailer. CGI, interview. remarketing, relaunch. and this. pity Garbage game goes where garbage belong.

ChubbyGuy40

Someone is still bad The Witcher 2 craps all over his precious Crapsis 2.

ROFL!! excellent come back with sales # proof and great logic genius

still a 2 words troll I see, I know you can't stop worshiping crysis2 but what does that 1 milliion sold the wetsh1t 2 got anything on crysis2? the only thing below the wetsh1t 2's market costing vs sales copy raito is your IQ. and you need to accept it.

http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/captain-moron.jpg?cb5e28

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

They update them with corrected numbers though. There numbers on Witcher 2 should be about equal to the NPD's within the next couple months.

AM-Gamer

NPD =/= world.

Oh sorry VG charts takes world data , npd is actually North America only .

lol fail thread

hopefully they are wrong because it is a great game with a great development team that needs supporting.

I dont know I just dont think they did a good job marketing it , AM-Gamer

Making a "good job" marketing it would cost more than the game's development budget.

and I think it would have also sold better on the PS3 .

AM-Gamer

Should have been released on the Playstation aswell.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I dont know I just dont think they did a good job marketing it , and I think it would have also sold better on the PS3 . If a game like Darksouls can hit 1.2 million Witcher should be able to do it as well. They had an outstanding trailer for that game they should have posted it all over.

ChubbyGuy40

TW2 was never a high-budget title to begin with. 8 million is pathetic compared to even rushed console titles. It had very, very little marketing on PC and sold 1.2 million based mostly on word of mouth. Their marketing budget was very small. It's not because they didn't, it's because they couldn't. Honestly, they didn't need to market it. The success on PC guaranteed a sequel alone.

Dark Souls has combat. The Witcher 2 has combat, graphics, music, and story. Dark Souls was released on two platforms worldwide during the holiday season while TW2 was released in May on just PC.

how many times you need to read the same numbers over and over and get it wrong?? for 1 last time(write it down if it's too much for your brain to handle) TW2's development cost is 8 million EURO which roughly round up to 11-12million USD, that's a huge budget for a single platform game that doesn't even sale, not to mention it refinanced for 360 release, which is at least double that with new CGI trailers, website ads, interview hype videos etc. yet dark souls/demon souls developing cost/marketing cost are only 1/3 of that which easily out sold the piece of turd TW2 half of the time. both are greatest games of all time even with least developing and market cost among any modern video games.

every RPG has combat, but TW2's stinks, for 1, CD project themselves admit they copied demons souls, which failed to capture 0.1% the greatness of demon's souls combat syetem.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/04/cd-projekt-the-witcher-2-takes-inspiration-from-demons-souls/

and CD project can't stop copying demon souls even in their next game.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/04/04/project-rpg-from-witcher-2-senior-producer-announced-to-arrive-in-2013/

second, story? TW2's story bord earth popultion to sleep wtih dumb conversations 80% of the game while dark souls handle it's story by a burtal way. anyway you compare it, dark souls is a god that TW2 can't hope to copy right. Please stop inslulting dark souls by putting that no one wants turd TW2's name next to it.

You bring up dark souls name because your inferior complex, admit it.

you are just as fail as TW2, admit it.

No suprise it's a mediocre game imo. Navigating the enviroment is very restricted and clunky. Dungeons are uninspired in their design (villages and and outdoor areas are beautiful though). Combat is also outdated. Roll-strike-roll is not something I wanna do anymore. Combine that with a very generic set of enemies and it's just a chore (and whoever came up with the win-button should be fired). Inventory is complicated in a way that is not meaningfull. What is great however is the story/characters. That's where TW2 truly shines. This is pretty ironic, because Hermits are hyping a game with shallow mechanics that is primarily an interactive movie. As such it should work well on consoles. Problem is the production values are a bit too low for the very competetive console market in this genre.Sushiglutton

^ this summed up TW2 pretty well

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

Someone put loosingends, williamrlbaker and reach3 on suicide watch.

PC Sales: 0.72 million (retail box units) + 0.25 million (Digital Distribution as of November 2011) = approx. 1.1 million (conservative estimate)

source: retail units

source: digital units

Console Sales: 0.29 million (retail box units)
Source: Retail units

Opening week sales of the Witcher 2 were 400k for the PC version (Source). With even a single console market being bigger than the PC market, the initial sales of the console port are terrible to put it bluntly.

loosingENDS

Well, after 5 million pirated copies you did not expect this to sell huge, did you ?

That would happen only if it was xbox 360 exclusive

Fable 2 that is exlusive sold 4 million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is 4 times what Witcher 2 sold on PC, because piracy on xbox is minimal and people buy games and dont pirate them only

Fable 2 has been out since 2008. Plus the game has been heavily bundled with the 360, such as in the 2011 holiday season.

Also you compare a month sales to the sales after 1.5 year on PC ?

To put it in perspective, Witcher 2 has already done 30% of PC sales in a few DAYS on xbox 360, so will probably surpass PC sales by millions eventually

I love how you destroy your argument in your own post, W2 had a good start on PC but the sales afterwards were ABYSMAL, while on consoles will keep selling huge, especially in holidays and there are not 100.000.000 pirates waiting to get it free like on PC

And usually Vgchartz is way off, Witcher 2 was top in the NPD list, so the numbers would be much higher, even for the few days it is on the market

BTW, the only sure way to sell 5-6 million copies, is to make Witcher 3 an xbox 360 exclusive like Fable, which i guess they will do

Kay.

Why support the 5 million pirates that stole their game on PC ? What is the point ?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I dont know I just dont think they did a good job marketing it , and I think it would have also sold better on the PS3 . If a game like Darksouls can hit 1.2 million Witcher should be able to do it as well. They had an outstanding trailer for that game they should have posted it all over.

GameFan1983

TW2 was never a high-budget title to begin with. 8 million is pathetic compared to even rushed console titles. It had very, very little marketing on PC and sold 1.2 million based mostly on word of mouth. Their marketing budget was very small. It's not because they didn't, it's because they couldn't. Honestly, they didn't need to market it. The success on PC guaranteed a sequel alone.

Dark Souls has combat. The Witcher 2 has combat, graphics, music, and story. Dark Souls was released on two platforms worldwide during the holiday season while TW2 was released in May on just PC.

how many times you need to read the same numbers over and over and get it wrong?? for 1 last time(write it down if it's too much for your brain to handle) TW2's development cost is 8 million EURO which roughly round up to 11-12million USD, that's a huge budget for a single platform game that doesn't even sale, not to mention it refinanced for 360 release, which is at least double that with new CGI trailers, website ads, interview hype videos etc. yet dark souls/demon souls developing cost/marketing cost are only 1/3 of that which easily out sold the piece of turd TW2 half of the time. both are greatest games of all time even with least developing and market cost among any modern video games.

every RPG has combat, but TW2's stinks, for 1, CD project themselves admit they copied demons souls, which failed to capture 0.1% the greatness of demon's souls combat syetem.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/04/cd-projekt-the-witcher-2-takes-inspiration-from-demons-souls/

and CD project can't stop copying demon souls even in their next game.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/04/04/project-rpg-from-witcher-2-senior-producer-announced-to-arrive-in-2013/

second, story? TW2's story bord earth popultion to sleep wtih dumb conversations 80% of the game while dark souls handle it's story by a burtal way. anyway you compare it, dark souls is a god that TW2 can't hope to copy right. Please stop inslulting dark souls by putting that no one wants turd TW2's name next to it.

You bring up dark souls name because your inferior complex, admit it.

you are just as fail as TW2, admit it.

No suprise it's a mediocre game imo. Navigating the enviroment is very restricted and clunky. Dungeons are uninspired in their design (villages and and outdoor areas are beautiful though). Combat is also outdated. Roll-strike-roll is not something I wanna do anymore. Combine that with a very generic set of enemies and it's just a chore (and whoever came up with the win-button should be fired). Inventory is complicated in a way that is not meaningfull. What is great however is the story/characters. That's where TW2 truly shines. This is pretty ironic, because Hermits are hyping a game with shallow mechanics that is primarily an interactive movie. As such it should work well on consoles. Problem is the production values are a bit too low for the very competetive console market in this genre.Sushiglutton

Well, I can't say I wouldn't wish much better numbers for Witcher 2 EE, but at least I find comfort in fact that CDP is profitable for now

Iwinski ran through the revenue split between the different sections of CD Projekt Red S.A.'s operations:

Games Development Revenue 48.6m PLN, net profit 19.5m PLN

Digital Distribution Revenue 27.8m PLN, net profit of 4.7m PLN

Games and DVD/Blu-Ray distribution/publishing in Poland Revenue 67m PLN, net loss (1.8m) PLN

Others Revenue 7m PLN, net profit 1.6m PLN

(PLN is the Polish zloty ' there are roughly 3.26 zloty to the dollar, so revenues were roughly $46m at current exchange rates, with a net profit overal of $7.4m).

Iwinski noted that game development is the highest-margin part of the business, but also highlighted the growth of GOG.com, which has grown 100% year-on-year since its inception in 2008. He noted that the results of the development part include only Witcher 2 sales for PC, since the Xbox 360 version was released in 2012.

So, it sold almost half PC copies ina few days

How is that a flop exactly ?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I dont know I just dont think they did a good job marketing it , and I think it would have also sold better on the PS3 . If a game like Darksouls can hit 1.2 million Witcher should be able to do it as well. They had an outstanding trailer for that game they should have posted it all over.

GameFan1983

TW2 was never a high-budget title to begin with. 8 million is pathetic compared to even rushed console titles. It had very, very little marketing on PC and sold 1.2 million based mostly on word of mouth. Their marketing budget was very small. It's not because they didn't, it's because they couldn't. Honestly, they didn't need to market it. The success on PC guaranteed a sequel alone.

Dark Souls has combat. The Witcher 2 has combat, graphics, music, and story. Dark Souls was released on two platforms worldwide during the holiday season while TW2 was released in May on just PC.

second, story? TW2's story bord earth popultion to sleep wtih dumb conversations 80% of the game while dark souls handle it's story by a burtal way. anyway you compare it, dark souls is a god that TW2 can't hope to copy right. Please stop inslulting dark souls by putting that no one wants turd TW2's name next to it.

Sounds like you are too immature to appreciate the witcher 2's story.

The fact that you can't even form proper sentences,reinforces my point.

It hasn't even been out a month...seriously? Talk about desperation.

The console version of Witcher 2 is like a year younger than the PC version....

The

Like I care. All that matters to me is I got to enjoy the game on my 360.

No surprise! I have been looking for this game since launch and didnt find it yet. Im not even sure if it was released in my country :?

lems only buy shooters and kinect. The Journey devs warned it, if they want to sell new non-traditional experiences for consoles try the PS3, the 360 audience isn't up for it. Do you think a game like Demon's Souls would've survived on the 360, unknown, with no advertisement and with deep gameplay? no way. kuraimen

...and Skyrim, and Mass Effect, and Trials Evolution, and Minecraft...

Anyway, what exactly do PS3 owner buy other than Call of Dutty?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]lems only buy shooters and kinect. The Journey devs warned it, if they want to sell new non-traditional experiences for consoles try the PS3, the 360 audience isn't up for it. Do you think a game like Demon's Souls would've survived on the 360, unknown, with no advertisement and with deep gameplay? no way. PAL360

...and Skyrim, and Mass Effect, and Trials Evolution, and Minecraft...

Anyway, what exactly do PS3 owner buy other than Call of Duty?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]lems only buy shooters and kinect. The Journey devs warned it, if they want to sell new non-traditional experiences for consoles try the PS3, the 360 audience isn't up for it. Do you think a game like Demon's Souls would've survived on the 360, unknown, with no advertisement and with deep gameplay? no way. PAL360

...and Skyrim, and Mass Effect, and Trials Evolution, and Minecraft...

Anyway, what exactly do PS3 owner buy other than Call of Dutty?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]lems only buy shooters and kinect. The Journey devs warned it, if they want to sell new non-traditional experiences for consoles try the PS3, the 360 audience isn't up for it. Do you think a game like Demon's Souls would've survived on the 360, unknown, with no advertisement and with deep gameplay? no way. ShadowsDemon

...and Skyrim, and Mass Effect, and Trials Evolution, and Minecraft...

Anyway, what exactly do PS3 owner buy other than Call of Dutty?

Well, of course, that was a rhetorical question. So do the 'shooter box' owners.

So, it sold almost half PC copies ina few days

How is that a flop exactly ?

[QUOTE="dj_pulserfan"]

Someone put loosingends, williamrlbaker and reach3 on suicide watch.

PC Sales: 0.72 million (retail box units) + 0.25 million (Digital Distribution as of November 2011) = approx. 1.1 million (conservative estimate)

source: retail units

source: digital units

Console Sales: 0.29 million (retail box units)
Source: Retail units

Opening week sales of the Witcher 2 were 400k for the PC version (Source). With even a single console market being bigger than the PC market, the initial sales of the console port are terrible to put it bluntly.

loosingENDS

Well, after 5 million pirated copies you did not expect this to sell huge, did you ?

That would happen only if it was xbox 360 exclusive

Fable 2 that is exlusive sold 4 million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is 4 times what Witcher 2 sold on PC, because piracy on xbox is minimal and people buy games and dont pirate them only

Also you compare a month sales to the sales after 1.5 year on PC ?

To put it in perspective, Witcher 2 has already done 30% of PC sales in a few DAYS on xbox 360, so will probably surpass PC sales by millions eventually

I love how you destroy your argument in your own post, W2 had a good start on PC but the sales afterwards were ABYSMAL, while on consoles will keep selling huge, especially in holidays and there are not 100.000.000 pirates waiting to get it free like on PC

And usually Vgchartz is way off, Witcher 2 was top in the NPD list, so the numbers would be much higher, even for the few days it is on the market

BTW, the only sure way to sell 5-6 million copies, is to make Witcher 3 an xbox 360 exclusive like Fable, which i guess they will do

Why support the 5 million pirates that stole their game on PC ? What is the point ?

This is the scary part of being on SW. I always figured you to be what I assume is a "fakeboy" and then you type stuff like this. I find it scary because you appear to actually mean it this time around. It makes me wonder what kind of special person you are in real life.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]lems only buy shooters and kinect. The Journey devs warned it, if they want to sell new non-traditional experiences for consoles try the PS3, the 360 audience isn't up for it. Do you think a game like Demon's Souls would've survived on the 360, unknown, with no advertisement and with deep gameplay? no way. PAL360

...and Skyrim, and Mass Effect, and Trials Evolution, and Minecraft...

Anyway, what exactly do PS3 owner buy other than Call of Dutty?

The reason console version of TW2 isn't selling as well as the Pc version is because of multiple reasons. 1st is lack advertizing if it is not pushed in their faces everywhere they go they wont know about it nor get hyped about it to buy it. Next is that this game is the sequel of a game that never was seen by the console crowd. And also not everyone likes RPG's.

Next its funny to see people here stated someone's personal estimate of pirated copies as a fact ,and also says 1 of 5 ratio between bought and pirated is still pretty good. As of December of 2011 TW2 sold more then 500,000 copies digitally when means $40 out of the $50 goes to directly CDP. Which means more then 20 million was made just with DD. And with Retail they made at least 12 million profit as of December. With a game that had a budget of around 8 million they made 3x the amount of profit of what the game cost to make.

Now also people need to realize that console sales are not like Pc sales for profit ratio nor rate of sales. Console games tend to have more added costs and to sell quickly from the start and quickly stop selling in volume weeks after release. To also point out in 2011 CDP seen over 400k in sales for the 1st Witcher with a game that's 4 years old. The Witcher 2 will keep on selling on Pc all the way to the release of the 3rd game while the console version will pretty much stop by the end of the 1st month.

The games been out for a year already on PC for $40. You expect a lot of people to buy it for $60 a year late?