Witcher 3 on xbox ?, Witcher 2 graphics almost as PC, exlusive new controls

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#251 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Of course not only by my opinion, both CD Project and Blizzard say so too

loosingENDS

They say that KB/M is the worst way to play games?

They said that Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 play best with pad and i have provided links for both cases in this very thread

That doesn't stipulate that gamepads are better than KB/M. Regardless, The Witcher 2 OC has native pad controls, and it controlled very well with a pad. Do you think the alterations will put The Witcher 2 for 360 in a different league?

What am I saying, og course you do.

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#252 PC4lifeman2233
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I'm confused on why he's going to using the "poor pad support argument" on a PC first title and the majority of PC gamers would rather use a M+KB.
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#253 soulitane
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Of course not only by my opinion, both CD Project and Blizzard say so too

loosingENDS

They say that KB/M is the worst way to play games?

They said that Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 play best with pad and i have provided links for both cases in this very thread

Care to show links?
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#254 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

They say that KB/M is the worst way to play games?

lundy86_4

They said that Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 play best with pad and i have provided links for both cases in this very thread

That doesn't stipulate that gamepads are better than KB/M. Regardless, The Witcher 2 OC has native pad controls, and it controlled very well with a pad. Do you think the alterations will put The Witcher 2 for 360 in a different league?

What am I saying, og course you do.

1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

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#255 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

They said that Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 play best with pad and i have provided links for both cases in this very thread

loosingENDS

That doesn't stipulate that gamepads are better than KB/M. Regardless, The Witcher 2 OC has native pad controls, and it controlled very well with a pad. Do you think the alterations will put The Witcher 2 for 360 in a different league?

What am I saying, og course you do.

1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

Shame its sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far behind in visuals, guess you poor people will have something to feel better about.

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#256 Blackbond
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1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

loosingENDS

Enjoy paying $60 for your year old game while the superior definitive version will be on sale for what $10 buck on STEAM when it releases on console lol

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#257 Deathtransit
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I'm not going to touch Saolin's madness, I'm just happy Witcher 2 is coming to 360 and that it seems like it will have good quality. AFAIC, this is a huge plus for the 360's lineup over the PS3's. And also, I would bet for simultaneous release for the next game, even if W2 doesn't do that well on 360. Why, because they will realize that staggering a game out to different platforms over a year hurts sales, they would sell more if the releases were simultaneous. I look at W2 merely as their first toehold into the console market, and that they're being more farsighted than W2's success on 360.
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#258 tenaka2
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I'm not going to touch Saolin's madness, I'm just happy Witcher 2 is coming to 360 and that it seems like it will have good quality. AFAIC, this is a huge plus for the 360's lineup over the PS3's. And also, I would bet for simultaneous release for the next game, even if W2 doesn't do that well on 360. Why, because they will realize that staggering a game out to different platforms over a year hurts sales, they would sell more if the releases were simultaneous. I look at W2 merely as their first toehold into the console market, and that they're being more farsighted than W2's success on 360.Deathtransit

Good post, its good that Witcher comes to console gamers, the dev company deservers it, I hope it sells

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#259 lundy86_4
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1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

loosingENDS

You assume that the full time was spent tweaking the controls. An odd assumption considering much of the game was remade for the 360, as outlined within your own post.

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#260 tenaka2
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1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

loosingENDS

no one cares about the game saolin. your just a repetative retard.

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#261 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

tenaka2

no one cares about the game saolin. your just a repetative retard.

Sure, now hermits dont care about one of the best games of all time, just because it comes to 360 and with far better controls

I did not expect any less from hermits here

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#262 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Sure was not bad, but on 360 will be perfect

And perfect is better than just good

So, why would i ever go with the inferior PC version ?

loosingENDS

Do you like to pretend that the keyboard and mouse doesn't exist? and don't you even start talking about your opinion about 3rd person action games and the mouse and keyboard because right now what you think doesn't matter. I rather play my Witcher 2 on my PC with ultra settings and choices when it comes to controls.

Anything else you got?

Why pretend they dont exist, it is the worst way to play games by miles though

because precision and ease of navigation is a bad thing? you get the 360 controls (which there was nothing wrong with) or the kb&m. the 360 version gives you just the controller.

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#263 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

loosingENDS

no one cares about the game saolin. your just a repetative retard.

Sure, now hermits dont care about one of the best games of all time, just because it comes to 360 and with far better controls

you like reviews. how is the witcher 2 one of the best games of all time and where are you getting "far better controls" from? :|

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#264 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] Do you like to pretend that the keyboard and mouse doesn't exist? and don't you even start talking about your opinion about 3rd person action games and the mouse and keyboard because right now what you think doesn't matter. I rather play my Witcher 2 on my PC with ultra settings and choices when it comes to controls.

Anything else you got?

CaseyWegner

Why pretend they dont exist, it is the worst way to play games by miles though

because precision and ease of navigation is a bad thing? you get the 360 controls (which there was nothing wrong with) or the kb&m. the 360 version gives you just the controller.

No, because using the keyboard to move the hero is the single worst control method on this planet

And the mouse camera system is also totally akward and non immersive

Console controls are in a league of their own, especially for 3rd person games, the camera and smooth motion/turning are just perfect for that kind of games

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#265 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

lundy86_4

You assume that the full time was spent tweaking the controls. An odd assumption considering much of the game was remade for the 360, as outlined within your own post.

Wait he's claiming they spent a year tweaking controls when they were already fine? lol

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#266 loosingENDS
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you like reviews. how is the witcher 2 one of the best games of all time and where are you getting "far better controls" from? :|

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Witcher 2 - CD PRoject

http://gamingnexus.com/Article/The-Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Interview/Item3403.aspx


The re-design of controls I mentioned before was done for the benefit of Xbox players. These changes will not apply to the PC version. We are leaving the control system unchanged. As I mentioned, all the other in-game content will be available for free to PC users.

Also we re-adapted the controls for the Xbox gamepad, that is to say, the PC version supported gamepad controls, but now they're close to being perfect.Also, the spectacular combat in The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition really flows on the Xbox 360. You feel like a real sword master as you slash through ranks of foes and roll through pools of monster blood.

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Diablo 3 - Blizzard

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-22-diablo-3-feels-better-with-a-game-pad

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"One of the reasons why we're exploring the idea of a console version of Diablo 3 because we feel that the controls and the ****of the game lend itself to a console," he explained.

"With some of our early experiments in putting a direct control scheme into the game via a 360-like analogue controller, I've been 'Oh this feels even better, with direct control…'"

Wait he's claiming they spent a year tweaking controls when they were already fine? lol

Blackbond

I dont "claim" anything, the developers confirmed it in the new interview, read above

Consoles get the perfect controls, so they have the by miles best version

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#267 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Why pretend they dont exist, it is the worst way to play games by miles though

loosingENDS

because precision and ease of navigation is a bad thing? you get the 360 controls (which there was nothing wrong with) or the kb&m. the 360 version gives you just the controller.

No, because using the keyboard to move the hero is the single worst control method on this planet

And the mouse camera system is also totally akward and non immersive

Console controls are in a league of their own, especially for 3rd person games, the camera and smooth motion/turning are just perfect for that kind of games

what's wrong with it? what makes it the worst control method? it's worked for many games and no reviewer has mentioned a problem with it. how about you elaborate instead of just spouting your opinion over and over again like it's some universal truth?

what's wrong with the mouse? how is moving your thumb to turn your head more immersive than actually yawing a body part?

if you don't like the kb&m, use the controller problem solved. it has full 360 controller support. you know this.

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#268 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you like reviews. how is the witcher 2 one of the best games of all time and where are you getting "far better controls" from? :|

loosingENDS

Witcher 2 - CD PRoject

http://gamingnexus.com/Article/The-Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Interview/Item3403.aspx


The re-design of controls I mentioned before was done for the benefit of Xbox players. These changes will not apply to the PC version. We are leaving the control system unchanged. As I mentioned, all the other in-game content will be available for free to PC users.

Also we re-adapted the controls for the Xbox gamepad, that is to say, the PC version supported gamepad controls, but now they're close to being perfect.Also, the spectacular combat in The Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition really flows on the Xbox 360. You feel like a real sword master as you slash through ranks of foes and roll through pools of monster blood.

again, where are you getting "far better" from? :|

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#269 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

1.5 year worth of tweaking and refining will put it leagues ahead in gameplay/controls department for sure

Blackbond

You assume that the full time was spent tweaking the controls. An odd assumption considering much of the game was remade for the 360, as outlined within your own post.

Wait he's claiming they spent a year tweaking controls when they were already fine? lol

Well, "1.5 tweaking and refining" according to his post. They did not bother to rebuild or port any aspect of the game over in that time. They just perfected the controls for a blank 360 screen.

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#270 BrunoBRS
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i must ask, don't you ever get tired of trolling the hermits? i mean your "witcher 2 on 360 almost looks like PC version" is like if you said "CoD wii version almost looks like the 360 version"
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#271 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You assume that the full time was spent tweaking the controls. An odd assumption considering much of the game was remade for the 360, as outlined within your own post.

lundy86_4

Wait he's claiming they spent a year tweaking controls when they were already fine? lol

Well, "1.5 tweaking and refining" according to his post. They did not bother to rebuild or port any aspect of the game over in that time. They just perfected the controls for a blank 360 screen.

Like the graphics team is making the controls

What are you talking about ?

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#272 loosingENDS
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i must ask, don't you ever get tired of trolling the hermits? i mean your "witcher 2 on 360 almost looks like PC version" is like if you said "CoD wii version almost looks like the 360 version"BrunoBRS

No it is not, because COD on Wii looks like garbage, while Witcher 2 on 360 looks stunning and will be the best looking console game when released by miles and looks about same as on PC

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#273 Blackbond
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while Witcher 2 on 360 looks stunning and will be the best looking console game when released by miles and looks about same as on PC

loosingENDS

Yes because sub HD looks about the same as 1080P with uber sampling right LOL

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#274 topsemag55
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Like the graphics team is making the controls

What are you talking about ?

loosingENDS

:lol: I suggest you let the credits roll once when you finish a game.

Graphics programmers work with meshes & textures, other programmers handle animation and gameplay, level design, etc.

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#275 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i must ask, don't you ever get tired of trolling the hermits? i mean your "witcher 2 on 360 almost looks like PC version" is like if you said "CoD wii version almost looks like the 360 version"loosingENDS

No it is not, because COD on Wii looks like garbage, while Witcher 2 on 360 looks stunning and will be the best looking console game when released by miles and looks about same as on PC

thanks for proving my point. you're blind and don't realize the gaps between the systems. then again, you're still struggling to understand that the enhanced edition will be a free update for everyone that ever buys the PC version...
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#276 lundy86_4
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Like the graphics team is making the controls

What are you talking about ?

loosingENDS

So they have a controller team, working solely on the controls, for 1.5 years? W-U-T?

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#277 Dante2710
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Is it really hard to ignore his threads? He is the same guy that was trying to pass PC pictures as console pictures.

I wish the admins would get rid this this f`king dimwit, but with the new TOS, thats not likely to happen.

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#278 Moriarity_
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M/KB>gamepad oh wait doesn't matter, I have both+button mapping. Graphics as good as pc version? :lol: 360 can't even do 1080p. PC graphics>360 graphics. PC gets same content as 360 for free. Since the 360 does nothing better and the PC does everything better I am forced to conclude that your opinion is wrong, my facts are true, and that you are an M$ fanboy who's butt hurt that PC>360.
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#279 CaseyWegner
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Is it really hard to ignore his threads? He is the same guy that was trying to pass PC pictures as console pictures.

I wish the admins would get rid this this f`king dimwit, but with the new TOS, thats not likely to happen.

Dante2710

report him for forum invasion.

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#280 PhazonBlazer
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I am going to laugh when CD Project announces that Witcher 2 will come to the PS3.

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#281 Damnsmooth
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Hey loosey, you are smart enough to realize that they aren't putting these controls on PC because they know that no PC gamer would be stupid enough to use them when we have the far superior KB&M, right?

Just checking.

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#282 lundy86_4
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Hey loosey, you are smart enough to realize that they aren't putting these controls on PC because they know that no PC gamer would be stupid enough to use them when we have the far superior KB&M, right?

Just checking.

Damnsmooth

Logically, that would mean they wouldn't have put 360 controls in at all :?

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#283 Dante2710
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[QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Is it really hard to ignore his threads? He is the same guy that was trying to pass PC pictures as console pictures.

I wish the admins would get rid this this f`king dimwit, but with the new TOS, thats not likely to happen.

CaseyWegner

report him for forum invasion.

Doubt anything would come out of it, even if he is a banned dodger.
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#284 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Is it really hard to ignore his threads? He is the same guy that was trying to pass PC pictures as console pictures.

I wish the admins would get rid this this f`king dimwit, but with the new TOS, thats not likely to happen.

Dante2710

report him for forum invasion.

Doubt anything would come out of it, even if he is a banned dodger.

there was that cease and desist thread that staff made. we need to send him a PM with evidence of wrongdoings.

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#285 Damnsmooth
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[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"]Hey loosey, you are smart enough to realize that they aren't putting these controls on PC because they know that no PC gamer would be stupid enough to use them when we have the far superior KB&M, right?

Just checking.

lundy86_4

Logically, that would mean they wouldn't have put 360 controls in at all :?

They only put them in as training wheels. I sure as hell wouldn't use them in Witcher 2.
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#286 LookAnDrolL
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You only love The Witcher 2 now that it is on the 360.

It still won't look anywhere near as good as the PC version and most people who own it on the PC played it a year ago and don't care anymore.

loosingENDS

I own Witcher 2 on PC actually, bought it before it was announced for 360

Plus i like pad controls more, so the best version for me will be on 360 by miles

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#287 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"]Hey loosey, you are smart enough to realize that they aren't putting these controls on PC because they know that no PC gamer would be stupid enough to use them when we have the far superior KB&M, right?

Just checking.

Damnsmooth

Logically, that would mean they wouldn't have put 360 controls in at all :?

They only put them in as training wheels. I sure as hell wouldn't use them in Witcher 2.

Oh my :lol: Now you're embarassing yourself. Your logic was flawed.

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#288 R3FURBISHED
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Witcher 3 is going to be awesome, thats all i know

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#289 Damnsmooth
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Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.
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#290 Flavorysoup
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Everyone, please let's just ignore this thread.loosingENDS

Sure, ignore the thread that proves Withcer 2 is best by miles on 360, has all content, better controls, as good as PC graphics and Withcer 3 is 100% confirmed for xbox720

Ignore some of the most huge news for xbox ever, just because we are PS3/PC trolls

Holy s**t loosing, your thread just quoted a dev talking about possible future games. Literally had NOTHING to do with anything you just said. And for gods sake, it is not 100% confirmed for the 720 on launch. Odds are they are going to delay the making of the witcher 3 on the 720 by a few months, because not only do they need to make it at the same time, but they need to make it for an entirely new system. The Witcher 2 on 360 looked pretty good because the devs have had 7 some years to learn how to use the 360 code.

And the reason he said ignore it, is because you post these a lot and try to convince everyone that the 360/720 is/wil be better than the 360 version.

PS, don't know what you mean by "all content" and "better controls". I think you meant better 360 controller controls, because any rpg will have better pc controls because of the huge array of keys to use for items, hotkeys, weapons, and other stuff.

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#291 lundy86_4
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Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.Damnsmooth

Simpleton? Considering you couldn't see the flaw in your own logic, what does that say of you? What is below a simpleton?

You assume perfection is easy to attain. The fact remains is that they added pad controls to the game as an alternate control scheme.

You made an idiot out of yourself, may as well just move on, eh? ;)

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This thread is still alive.

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Witcher 2 console version looking as good as the PC version ? Are you serious ?





Console version can't compete with PC version graphically.

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Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.Damnsmooth

PC have 1000 types of monitors, at different native resolutions and aspect ratios.

Whereas on 360 you know exactly what the aspect ratio is, you know the resolution, so you can optimize the controls for that.

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when is this sh!t gonna end

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[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"]Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.lundy86_4

Simpleton? Considering you couldn't see the flaw in your own logic, what does that say of you? What is below a simpleton?

You assume perfection is easy to attain. The fact remains is that they added pad controls to the game as an alternate control scheme.

You made an idiot out of yourself, may as well just move on, eh? ;)

Claiming that your point makes sense is a completely different thing than having it actually do so.

Pad support is a standard feature in almost every game, that doesn't mean that it is concentrated on in the least.

Let's take a poll of PC gamers and see which one is preferred in reality, shall we?

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#297 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"]Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.ZombieKiller7

PC have 1000 types of monitors, at different native resolutions and aspect ratios.

Whereas on 360 you know exactly what the aspect ratio is, you know the resolution, so you can optimize the controls for that.

So they know if you decide to use a TV, CRT, HDTV, LCD? Sure there are 1000 of types of monitors but I keep on forgetting there is only one type of TV. You sir are an idiot like I said before lol

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"]Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.Damnsmooth

Simpleton? Considering you couldn't see the flaw in your own logic, what does that say of you? What is below a simpleton?

You assume perfection is easy to attain. The fact remains is that they added pad controls to the game as an alternate control scheme.

You made an idiot out of yourself, may as well just move on, eh? ;)

Claiming that your point makes sense is a completely different thing than having it actually do so.

Pad support is a standard feature in almost every game, that doesn't mean that it is concentrated on in the least.

Let's take a poll of PC gamers and see which one is preferred in reality, shall we?

Almost every game? Define almost. Then, match that with a total number of PC games and see if "almost" is an accurate description. Please and thanks.

See which one is preferred by all means. That wasn't the topic at hand, and it isn't now.

Again, what's below a simpleton?

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#299 Damnsmooth
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[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"]Laugh away simpleton, explain the flaw in the logic that the pad support was an afterthought, or they would have perfected them in the first place. Mapping buttons is a pretty simple task.Blackbond

PC have 1000 types of monitors, at different native resolutions and aspect ratios.

Whereas on 360 you know exactly what the aspect ratio is, you know the resolution, so you can optimize the controls for that.

So they know if you decide to use a TV, CRT, HDTV, LCD? Sure there are 1000 of types of monitors but I keep on forgetting there is only one type of TV. You sir are an idiot like I said before lol

I would have replied to him but you pretty much took care of it. Thanks.
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#300 Damnsmooth
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[QUOTE="Damnsmooth"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Simpleton? Considering you couldn't see the flaw in your own logic, what does that say of you? What is below a simpleton?

You assume perfection is easy to attain. The fact remains is that they added pad controls to the game as an alternate control scheme.

You made an idiot out of yourself, may as well just move on, eh? ;)

lundy86_4

Claiming that your point makes sense is a completely different thing than having it actually do so.

Pad support is a standard feature in almost every game, that doesn't mean that it is concentrated on in the least.

Let's take a poll of PC gamers and see which one is preferred in reality, shall we?

Almost every game? Define almost. Then, match that with a total number of PC games and see if "almost" is an accurate description. Please and thanks.

See which one is preferred by all means. That wasn't the topic at hand, and it isn't now.

Again, what's below a simpleton?

So reality doesn't count in your world and I'm below a simpleton. OK.

Go back and re-read my first post that you quoted and you should be able to tell that my whole point was that KB&M are superior. Maybe you can get your trainer to help you figure it out.