World of Warcraft has the BEST combat in any RPG ever.

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#1 Eddie-Vedder
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Can anyone actually argue this? Mass Effect had very very bad combat, Fallout 3 is laughable in camparison, oblivion? LOL Seriously no rpg plays as well as WoW, WoW has an extremely complex and profound combat system with tons of variables yet it flows like and action game. It has better combat then most action games come to think of it, and I'm not talking about preference, I'm refering to complexity, functionality, fluidity. I was going to link some videos, but if you don't play WoW it would be like watching a chinese movie without subtitles :P
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Shadow Hearts is better. All that WoW is is first thing, second thing, third thing, first thing, fourth thing, fourth thing, first thing, second thing, third thing, repeat.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shadow Hearts is better. All that WoW is is first thing, second thing, third thing, first thing, fourth thing, fourth thing, first thing, second thing, third thing, repeat.

Apply Curse of Doom. Shadowbolt, Shadowbold, Shadowbold, Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt. Chug Potion. Shadowbolt, Shadowbold, Shadowbold, Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt. Life Tap
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And they've gone and saddled it with a game that makes it a chore to get yourself into an actual entertaining situation to use it after a while. Wahoo.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shadow Hearts is better. All that WoW is is first thing, second thing, third thing, first thing, fourth thing, fourth thing, first thing, second thing, third thing, repeat.

It was kind of running your fingers down a keyboard. You just use every skill in your repertoire. Have you seen the screens for modded WoW with about 150 icons onscreen
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[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Shadow Hearts is better. All that WoW is is first thing, second thing, third thing, first thing, fourth thing, fourth thing, first thing, second thing, third thing, repeat.

Apply Curse of Doom. Shadowbolt, Shadowbold, Shadowbold, Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt. Chug Potion. Shadowbolt, Shadowbold, Shadowbold, Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt. Life Tap

I haven't played Shadow Hearts so I won't comment on that, but your second comment is clearly pve based, cause in pvp it's much more intence and unpredictable.
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And they've gone and saddled it with a game that makes it a chore to get yourself into an actual entertaining situation to use it after a while. Wahoo.Shafftehr

This argument cannot be used anymore. Instances are alot shorter, there are 10 and 25 man versions to instances with 10 being alot easier for those who cannot do 25 man(the rewards are obviously less), buffs no longer stack,so you don't have to bring the *ideal* group for raids, there are no more attunements and the importance of consumables has been toned down ALOT (one potion a fight).So I have no idea what you want them do again other than that.

 

EDIT: OP I don't really agree with you, I agree WoW has pretty dynamic combat and is better than most of those games you listed but I don't think it has the best.. very close but not best as yet, just waiting on one other game to tell me.

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cause in pvp it's much more intence and unpredictable.Eddie-Vedder
You didn't make it clear you were talking about while fighting against humans and not... harpies or whatever. Of course fighting humans is going to be a different experience.
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]cause in pvp it's much more intence and unpredictable.Jandurin
You didn't make it clear you were talking about while fighting against humans and not... harpies or whatever. Of course fighting humans is going to be a different experience.

Its an online game, are you kidding me, of course hes fighting humans, thats half the experience in wow.
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I preferred Guild War's combat - it might be slightly more simplistic, but it's also far more balanced and skill-focused, rather than gear-focused.
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Its an online game, are you kidding me, of course hes fighting humans, thats half the experience in wow.BobHipJames
Oh come on. That's ridiculous. I'm sure there are plenty of people that get fulfilling experiences without ever entering a battlegrounds or playing on a pvp server.
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fine, if we're talking multiplayer RPG battles, then the MUD I used to play ROCKS WoW and every other game. No contest. And it was free.
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[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]Its an online game, are you kidding me, of course hes fighting humans, thats half the experience in wow.Jandurin
Oh come on. That's ridiculous. I'm sure there are plenty of people that get fulfilling experiences without ever entering a battlegrounds or playing on a pvp server.

PvE was really World of Warcraft's main focus from the beginning.
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It does have a very good combat system but the fact that the game is never ending, that combat system gets very repetitive, just as everything else in the game.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]fine, if we're talking multiplayer RPG battles, then the MUD I used to play ROCKS WoW and every other game. No contest. And it was free.

The MUD? translate for me please :P
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]fine, if we're talking multiplayer RPG battles, then the MUD I used to play ROCKS WoW and every other game. No contest. And it was free.Eddie-Vedder
The MUD? translate for me please :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD
In computer gaming, a MUD (Multi-User Dungeon, Domain or Dimension), pronounced /mʌd/, is a multi-player computer game that combines elements of role-playing games, hack and slash style computer games and social chat rooms. Typical MUDs are text-driven, where players read descriptions of rooms, objects, events, other characters, and computer-controlled creatures or non-player characters (NPCs) in a virtual world. Players interact with each other and the world by typing commands that resemble a natural language. It has been argued that modern game-like MMORPGs, such as World of Warcraft, and social virtual worlds such as Second Life can have their origins traced back to the original MUDswikipedia
It was Age of Chaos, so it was based off of the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. And it was lorded over by Swedes!
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Quite the opposite. WoW's combat is tedious, slow and booring.
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It doesn't even have the best MMO combat, Age of Conan is vastly superior.
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It has very good combat. I think best will be up to taste.

The problem is that you have all these people trying to turn RPG's into things that they aren't by adding shooting elements and action elements (mass effect, Fallout, etc.).  I think WoW does a very good job of allowing more action into the combat, but leaving it undeniably an RPG. 

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It does have a very good combat system but the fact that the game is never ending, that combat system gets very repetitive, just as everything else in the game. Hawkeye1987
That's a misconception most people have relative to WoW, who said you had to play for your entire life?
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Quite the opposite. WoW's combat is tedious, slow and booring. Gamingcucumber
That's a horrible lie, I'm playing WoW on my laptop and browsing the internet on my desktop, your only kidding those who haven't played the game or played it to level 10 or something.
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WoW flows like an action game?

 

It flows like a turn based game.... Which it essentially is. 

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[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]Quite the opposite. WoW's combat is tedious, slow and booring. Eddie-Vedder
That's a horrible lie, I'm playing WoW on my laptop and browsing the internet on my desktop, your only kidding those who haven't played the game or played it to level 10 or something.

Must not be very enthralling combat if you're only half there.
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[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]Quite the opposite. WoW's combat is tedious, slow and booring. Eddie-Vedder
That's a horrible lie, I'm playing WoW on my laptop and browsing the internet on my desktop, your only kidding those who haven't played the game or played it to level 10 or something.

Not really. I had my orc DragoonC at 60 years ago. WoW has a horrible combat system. And browsing your internet does not improve on it. It only proves how booring it is.
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WoW flows like an action game?

 

It flows like a turn based game.... Which it essentially is. 

omgimba

Look guys it's another one who doesn't know what they are talking about!!!!

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"]Quite the opposite. WoW's combat is tedious, slow and booring. Gamingcucumber
That's a horrible lie, I'm playing WoW on my laptop and browsing the internet on my desktop, your only kidding those who haven't played the game or played it to level 10 or something.

Not really. I had my orc DragoonC at 60 years ago. WoW has a horrible combat system. And browsing your internet does not improve on it. It only proves how booring it is.

Orc Dragoon? Man what game am I playing?? When did blizzard add that ?=/
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[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] That's a horrible lie, I'm playing WoW on my laptop and browsing the internet on my desktop, your only kidding those who haven't played the game or played it to level 10 or something. Espada12
Not really. I had my orc DragoonC at 60 years ago. WoW has a horrible combat system. And browsing your internet does not improve on it. It only proves how booring it is.

Orc Dragoon? Man what game am I playing?? When did blizzard add that ?=/

DragoonC is the name :?
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Orc Dragoon? Man what game am I playing?? When did blizzard add that ?=/Espada12
I think that was his character name... My first 60 was Shafftehr - and that's not the hidden class that went around shafting people.
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LOL @ WoW Fanboys.

 

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WoW flows like an action game?

 

It flows like a turn based game.... Which it essentially is.

omgimba

LOL How the **** do you confuse this for turn based gameplay?

First random pvp movie I found on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmwCguP-1As 

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]cause in pvp it's much more intence and unpredictable.BobHipJames
You didn't make it clear you were talking about while fighting against humans and not... harpies or whatever. Of course fighting humans is going to be a different experience.

Its an online game, are you kidding me, of course hes fighting humans, thats half the experience in wow.

Never played WoW huh? I'll speak in shooter terms for you...the majority of WoW is co-op be it 5 man, 10, 25 etc where you fight against computer controlled enemies culminating in large boss fights. PVP is growing with arenas and bgs, I never liked pvp though.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"] Not really. I had my orc DragoonC at 60 years ago. WoW has a horrible combat system. And browsing your internet does not improve on it. It only proves how booring it is.Jandurin
Orc Dragoon? Man what game am I playing?? When did blizzard add that ?=/

DragoonC is the name :?

Didn't read it like that because I know there is a dragoon class in another game, but my bad if anything.
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Didn't read it like that because I know there is a dragoon class in another game, but my bad if anything.Espada12
That would be fun. If you could jump and be off the screen for a second and then land on an enemy's head. :o
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The closest i've come to playing WoW was watching the South park spoof on the game and it did make me :lol: but I'm going to just say I really dig the M.E. combat a bunch. Maybe b/c It was tough for me to see how Bioware could do it this gen where last gens Kotor is yet my favorite game and allowed no real time combat - I dunno but I do like M.E. combat allot and I mean heck, you even get to use squad tactics. :D
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you even get to use squad tactics. :DSecretPolice
the squad tactics in ME weren't very... good, imo
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[QUOTE="Gamingcucumber"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] That's a horrible lie, I'm playing WoW on my laptop and browsing the internet on my desktop, your only kidding those who haven't played the game or played it to level 10 or something. Espada12
Not really. I had my orc DragoonC at 60 years ago. WoW has a horrible combat system. And browsing your internet does not improve on it. It only proves how booring it is.

Orc Dragoon? Man what game am I playing?? When did blizzard add that ?=/

The orc was named DragoonC.
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The closest i've come to playing WoW was watching the South park spoof on the game and it did make me :lol: but I'm going to just say I really dig the M.E. combat a bunch. Maybe b/c It was tough for me to see how Bioware could do it this gen where last gens Kotor is yet my favorite game and allowed no real time combat - I dunno but I do like M.E. combat allot and I mean heck, you even get to use squad tactics. :DSecretPolice
ME's combat is way to simple for a game where you can freeze the gameplay and issues orders. Bioware is looking to change that with DA though but I thought ME to be just a tad too simple, even by console standards of pick up and play.
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Diablo 2's combat was more satisfying, and diablo 3's will be better, and yes i played wow since it came out, it just got extremely old.
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]The closest i've come to playing WoW was watching the South park spoof on the game and it did make me :lol: but I'm going to just say I really dig the M.E. combat a bunch. Maybe b/c It was tough for me to see how Bioware could do it this gen where last gens Kotor is yet my favorite game and allowed no real time combat - I dunno but I do like M.E. combat allot and I mean heck, you even get to use squad tactics. :DEspada12
ME's combat is way to simple for a game where you can freeze the gameplay and issues orders. Bioware is looking to change that with DA though but I thought ME to be just a tad too simple, even by console standards of pick up and play.

Yeah I hear ya on the pause feature and honestly, a family member was watching me play and commented that he plays so much different then I b/c he uses that feature where for me it's almost an unused feature but yeah if used, the combat can be just way too easy.
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[QUOTE="omgimba"]

WoW flows like an action game?

 

It flows like a turn based game.... Which it essentially is.

Eddie-Vedder

LOL How the **** do you confuse this for turn based gameplay?

First random pvp movie I found on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmwCguP-1As

Compare it too any bioware DD RPG and you will notice the similarities. 

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I preferred Guild War's combat - it might be slightly more simplistic, but it's also far more balanced and skill-focused, rather than gear-focused.Planeforger

This one, limiting the # of skills you equip to 8 takes a lot more strategy than WoW, were you can equip pretty much every skill you find useful.

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Starwars Galaxies had a far better combat system, as does Warhammer Online not to mention any Elder scrolls game. and the witcher im glad you have an opinion eddie, but then again, you did say 300 took the slow motion from games....
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WOW is a good game if only you didnt have to pay for it each month i would play it.
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oh, and Valkyria chronicles has a combat system that completely destroyes WoWs
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point, click, wait for enemy to die. loot. repeat.

or if its a tough enemy, point click, spam moonfire, wait for enemy to die. loot. repeat.

or if you are a priest, Heal tank, Heal tank, Heal tank, Heal rapidly dying hunter who thinks he is a tank, run out of Mana for real thank. Get blamed for raid failing.

yeah, real deep :roll:

i liked WoW but the combat was a little boring, not the beat but certainly the best for an MMO not a regualr RPG.

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#47 Mehdi1984
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point, click, wait for enemy to die. loot. repeat.

or if its a tough enemy, point click, spam moonfire, wait for enemy to die. loot. repeat.

or if you are a priest, Heal tank, Heal tank, Heal tank, Heal rapidly dying hunter who thinks he is a tank, run out of Mana for real thank. Get blamed for raid failing.

yeah, real deep :roll:

i liked WoW but the combat was a little boring, not the beat but certainly the best for an MMO not a regualr RPG.

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What class lets your "point , click, wait for enemy to die"? In other words: what class can successfully auto-attack, and win a fight?
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[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"]

point, click, wait for enemy to die. loot. repeat.

or if its a tough enemy, point click, spam moonfire, wait for enemy to die. loot. repeat.

or if you are a priest, Heal tank, Heal tank, Heal tank, Heal rapidly dying hunter who thinks he is a tank, run out of Mana for real thank. Get blamed for raid failing.

yeah, real deep :roll:

i liked WoW but the combat was a little boring, not the beat but certainly the best for an MMO not a regualr RPG.

Mehdi1984
What class lets your "point , click, wait for enemy to die"? In other words: what class can successfully auto-attack, and win a fight?

hunter (most prominently beast-master hunter) autocross +pet = most enemies fall before you
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#49 Mehdi1984
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[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="Mehdi1984"] hunter (most prominently beast-master hunter) autocross +pet = most enemies fall before you

So... 1 out of at least 30 different combinations of characters let's you auto-attack. Yet you sum the entire game's combat system on that? That said. That isn't even the case. PVP you would obviously get destroyed if you did that. As for PVE, unless you are fighting mobs that are gray to you... there is no way you could get away with that tactic.
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Funny cus i was gunna say mass effect fallout 3 or kotor