Worldwide hardware sales this week!

http://www.vgchartz.com/

This site not only confirms 360 sales this week but nintendo and sony sales so don't give me all that OMG your using vg charts cause i have found that it has confirmed sales many times

vgchartz :roll:

C'mon man.

well VG chartz aparantly is wrong in the American sales for the xbox 360 here:

wrote: More than 310,000 Xbox 360 consoles sold in the U.S. for the week of Nov. 18, including Black Friday, rounding out its third holiday season on the market. While Xbox 360 consoles continue to generate great consumer demand, the strength of the Xbox 360 ecosystem remains unmatched by any console on the market.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22025587

...and on CNBC's Power Lunch in a report about melting 360's and their classaction lawsuit....according to them, the 360 sold 310,000 units in the US, outsold the PS3 2 to 1, and 360 software outsold PS3 and Wii software combined.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212314

let's talk about these sales.

so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.GARRYTH

official sony M$ and nintedo reports?

so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.GARRYTH

You go by the monthly NPD reports for North American sales and the one that comes out every week in Japan.

I'm not quite certain which organziation, if any, tracks sales in the PAL regions though.

so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.GARRYTH

We go by VGCharts all the time. It's only when sales suck for some console that certain factions call it BS.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.stika

official sony M$ and nintedo reports?

Waiting 3 months between reports is kinda silly and pointless.

vgchartz :roll:

C'mon man.

Jandurin

It's okay.. he does this everyday..

and everyday someone reminds him they are not using data for their guestimates..

but it makes him feel better, so i say let him go with it...

tis the season of charity...:)

[QUOTE="stika"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.gromit007

official sony M$ and nintedo reports?

Waiting 3 months between reports is kinda silly and pointless.

point taken...

[QUOTE="gromit007"][QUOTE="stika"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.stika

official sony M$ and nintedo reports?

Waiting 3 months between reports is kinda silly and pointless.

point taken...

If you want accuracy, you wait.

If you want random guesses, you use VGChartz.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

This site not only confirms 360 sales this week but nintendo and sony sales so don't give me all that OMG your using vg charts cause i have found that it has confirmed sales many times

Paddy345

So I guess according to VGChartz, 420,000 = 350,000, right? Because VGChartz said that the Wii sold 420,000 last week, when they actually only sold 350,000.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

vgchartz :roll:

C'mon man.

tango90101

It's okay.. he does this everyday..

and everyday someone reminds him they are not using data for their guestimates..

but it makes him feel better, so i say let him go with it...

tis the season of charity...:)

Well i wouldn't call it guesstimates if it's confrimed by cnbc or whatever, i'd say that was a pretty good guesstimate :P

I don't see why cows say that PS3 is closing in on the 360. It has sold more than double the units.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.thinicer

You go by the monthly NPD reports for North American sales and the one that comes out every week in Japan.

I'm not quite certain which organziation, if any, tracks sales in the PAL regions though.

We've got Chart track in the UK, but they don't seem to ever publish figures. They just hoard them in their fortress of statistics. Occasionally they'll churn out a few statisitics though...

wow...NDS sold over a million.....

[QUOTE="stika"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.gromit007

official sony M$ and nintedo reports?

Waiting 3 months between reports is kinda silly and pointless.

well VG chartz aparantly is wrong in the American sales for the xbox 360 here:

[quote=""]

wrote: More than 310,000 Xbox 360 consoles sold in the U.S. for the week of Nov. 18, including Black Friday, rounding out its third holiday season on the market. While Xbox 360 consoles continue to generate great consumer demand, the strength of the Xbox 360 ecosystem remains unmatched by any console on the market.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22025587

...and on CNBC's Power Lunch in a report about melting 360's and their classaction lawsuit....according to them, the 360 sold 310,000 units in the US, outsold the PS3 2 to 1, and 360 software outsold PS3 and Wii software combined.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212314

let's talk about these sales.

stika

well VG chartz aparantly is wrong in the American sales for the xbox 360 here:

[quote=""]

wrote: More than 310,000 Xbox 360 consoles sold in the U.S. for the week of Nov. 18, including Black Friday, rounding out its third holiday season on the market. While Xbox 360 consoles continue to generate great consumer demand, the strength of the Xbox 360 ecosystem remains unmatched by any console on the market.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22025587

...and on CNBC's Power Lunch in a report about melting 360's and their classaction lawsuit....according to them, the 360 sold 310,000 units in the US, outsold the PS3 2 to 1, and 360 software outsold PS3 and Wii software combined.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212314

let's talk about these sales.

stika

CNBC also said the warranty for the xbox 360 was extended BY three years, when it's extended TO three years. They aren't a perfect reporting service.

I can believe these numbers, though. We'll see december 15th when the NPD's hit.

As for BGChartz, at the very least it makes for interesting discussion.

I love how in every thread that dares to mention VGChartz, mjarantilla is always in there posting not once but several times criticizing the site based on half-baked assumptions instead of actual information. If you read the threads without reading the poster names you'd think everyone hated VGChartz yet it's really just him making all of those posts. Did they steal your lollipop?DKII

Want me to quit posting in VGChartz threads? The vast majority of system wars would still say that VGChartz is laughable whether I posted or not. I only have two posts (now three) on this thread out of twenty four, and the people dismissing VGChartz still vastly outweighs the number of people gullible enough to believe VGChartz.

Get over yourself. Supporting VGChartz is like believing Ken Kutaragi. It's nothing but bull****. As for my apparently extreme reaction to any mention of VGChartz, sorry, but deceit and misinformation like the kind VGChartz spreads always provokes anger.

[QUOTE="DKII"]I love how in every thread that dares to mention VGChartz, mjarantilla is always in there posting not once but several times criticizing the site based on half-baked assumptions instead of actual information. If you read the threads without reading the poster names you'd think everyone hated VGChartz yet it's really just him making all of those posts. Did they steal your lollipop?mjarantilla

Want me to quit posting in VGChartz threads? The vast majority of system wars would still say that VGChartz is laughable whether I posted or not. I only have two posts (now three) on this thread out of twenty four, and the people dismissing VGChartz still vastly outweighs the number of people gullible enough to believe VGChartz.

Get over yourself. Supporting VGChartz is like believing Ken Kutaragi. It's nothing but bull****.

mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.XenogearsMaster

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.mjarantilla

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

http://www.vgchartz.com/

This site not only confirms 360 sales this week but nintendo and sony sales so don't give me all that OMG your using vg charts cause i have found that it has confirmed sales many times

Paddy345

dam im tired of this ****. PS3 OUTSOLD THE 360 THIS MONTH.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.XenogearsMaster

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

For caring about professional integrity? I think it's sad to ignore it, and utterly pathetic to promote it.

EDIT: Actually, not just pathetic. It's despicable. At least they haven't started charging anyone for their numbers.

Yet.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.XenogearsMaster

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

no. he has ethics.

something sony and cows can't quite comprehend...;)

I don't see why cows say that PS3 is closing in on the 360. It has sold more than double the units.

TMontana1004

double the units in double the time.

PS3 "flops" vs 360 AAA's

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.tango90101

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

no. he has ethics.

something sony and cows can't quite comprehend...;)

That's even more sad. You two can relate.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.mjarantilla

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

For caring about professional integrity? I think it's sad to ignore it, and utterly pathetic to promote it.

EDIT: Actually, not just pathetic. It's despicable. At least they haven't started charging anyone for their numbers.

Yet.

It's like you're offended by their numbers. Care to tell me how accurate NPD is with actual proof.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="DKII"]I love how in every thread that dares to mention VGChartz, mjarantilla is always in there posting not once but several times criticizing the site based on half-baked assumptions instead of actual information. If you read the threads without reading the poster names you'd think everyone hated VGChartz yet it's really just him making all of those posts. Did they steal your lollipop?blue_hazy_basic

Want me to quit posting in VGChartz threads? The vast majority of system wars would still say that VGChartz is laughable whether I posted or not. I only have two posts (now three) on this thread out of twenty four, and the people dismissing VGChartz still vastly outweighs the number of people gullible enough to believe VGChartz.

Get over yourself. Supporting VGChartz is like believing Ken Kutaragi. It's nothing but bull****.

I'd back it as well. VGChartz is a joke, and a rather bad one at that. I mean they were off by almost 200,000 on their October 360 numbers. That's not even good for a random guess, much less supposedly researched estimates. Now we havefinancial reportsconflicting with the said week in November as well. Use them if you want, but don't expect people to take the numbers seriously.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.XenogearsMaster

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

no. he has ethics.

something sony and cows can't quite comprehend...;)

That's even more sad. You two can relate.

even more sad is that you have to resort to personal attacks rather than addressing the issue..

not suprising tho..

Can we get a more reliable source, please?BuryMe

You know there isn't any other site that does world wide sales... Why ask?

even more sad is that you have to resort to personal attacks rather than addressing the issue..

not suprising tho..

tango90101

The issue is that you don't have to believe in their numbers, they said it on their site that they're not 100% accurate. Going about it like, "OMgZ VGchartz hurts my feezlings, so I'm going keep bashing it without proof and it will make me feel better" is completely sad.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.XenogearsMaster

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

For caring about professional integrity? I think it's sad to ignore it, and utterly pathetic to promote it.

EDIT: Actually, not just pathetic. It's despicable. At least they haven't started charging anyone for their numbers.

Yet.

It's like you're offended by their numbers. Care to tell me how accurate NPD is with actual proof.

I can't explain anything to you if you know nothing about statistics. And if you knew anything about statistics, you would be agreeing with me about VGChartz. So what's the point of trying to explain anything?

Here's the raw information:

- NPD gathers data from over 60% of all retailers.
- NPD conducts polls and surveys involving thousands of actual buyers to compensate for the 40% that they are missing
- The demographics of those surveys are recorded and factored into the final statistical calculations

I only took statistics in my third year for my engineering degree, so I'm missing the finer points of market analysis. But the fundamental principles of statistics point to the conclusion that NPD has MORE than enough data to achieve a margin of error of less than 5% for 95% of their estimates, meaning nineteen out of twenty of the figures released will be within 5% of the actual number. In fact, it's possible that their ACTUAL precision can be as low as 0.1% margin of error for 99% of their estimates, depending on their actual methodology, which they don't disclose.

For comparison, VGChartz is lucky if they have a 15% margin of error for only 75% of their estimates. VGChartz gathers data from ONLY small and independent retailers. They REGULARLY miss the mark by tens of thousands of units every single month. During high sales months, they miss the mark by HUNDREDS of thousands of units (like October). Yet for some reason people here trust them? Is it really THAT hard to wait a couple of weeks for official figures?

I liked VGChartz back when they were VGCharts.org and they only ever compiled official data without making their own speculations.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.gromit007

We go by VGCharts all the time. It's only when sales suck for some console that certain factions call it BS.

By "WE", you must mean cows (like the TC)because that'sall I see using VGC.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]even more sad is that you have to resort to personal attacks rather than addressing the issue..

not suprising tho..

XenogearsMaster

The issue is that you don't have to believe in their numbers, they said it on their site that they're not 100% accurate. Going about it like, "OMgZ VGchartz hurts my feezlings, so I'm going keep bashing it without proof and it will make me feel better" is completely sad.

then cows need to stop using them as "proof".. that's all he was saying...

they're not official. they're not accurate. they're not accountable.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="DKII"]I love how in every thread that dares to mention VGChartz, mjarantilla is always in there posting not once but several times criticizing the site based on half-baked assumptions instead of actual information. If you read the threads without reading the poster names you'd think everyone hated VGChartz yet it's really just him making all of those posts. Did they steal your lollipop?blue_hazy_basic

Want me to quit posting in VGChartz threads? The vast majority of system wars would still say that VGChartz is laughable whether I posted or not. I only have two posts (now three) on this thread out of twenty four, and the people dismissing VGChartz still vastly outweighs the number of people gullible enough to believe VGChartz.

Get over yourself. Supporting VGChartz is like believing Ken Kutaragi. It's nothing but bull****.

Yup, I'm with ya.

I wait for official numbers. Not guesstimates

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.mjarantilla

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

For caring about professional integrity? I think it's sad to ignore it, and utterly pathetic to promote it.

EDIT: Actually, not just pathetic. It's despicable. At least they haven't started charging anyone for their numbers.

Yet.

It's like you're offended by their numbers. Care to tell me how accurate NPD is with actual proof.

I can't explain anything to you if you know nothing about statistics. And if you knew anything about statistics, you would be agreeing with me about VGChartz. So what's the point of trying to explain anything?

Here's the raw information:

- NPD gathers data from over 60% of all retailers.
- NPD conducts polls and surveys involving thousands of actual buyers to compensate for the 40% that they are missing
- The demographics of those surveys are recorded and factored into the final statistical calculations

I only took statistics in my third year for my engineering degree, so I'm missing the finer points of market analysis. But the fundamental principles of statistics point to the conclusion that NPD has MORE than enough data to achieve a margin of error of less than 5% for 95% of their estimates. In fact, it's possible that their ACTUAL precision can be as low as 0.1% margin of error for 99% of their estimates, depending on their actual methodology, which they don't disclose.

VGChartz gathers data from ONLY small and independent retailers. They REGULARLY miss the mark by tens of thousands of units every single month. Yet for some reason people here trust them? Is one month really so long to wait?

I liked VGChartz back when they were VGCharts.org and they only ever compiled official data without making their own speculations.

So NPD just gives people polls andgather datas? LOL, NPD is no different from VGchartz.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="tango90101"]even more sad is that you have to resort to personal attacks rather than addressing the issue..

not suprising tho..

tango90101

The issue is that you don't have to believe in their numbers, they said it on their site that they're not 100% accurate. Going about it like, "OMgZ VGchartz hurts my feezlings, so I'm going keep bashing it without proof and it will make me feel better" is completely sad.

then cows need to stop using them as "proof".. that's all he was saying...

they're not official. they're not accurate. they're not accountable.

They're actually accurate.... enough...

Hence, they're proof.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.XenogearsMaster

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

For caring about professional integrity? I think it's sad to ignore it, and utterly pathetic to promote it.

EDIT: Actually, not just pathetic. It's despicable. At least they haven't started charging anyone for their numbers.

Yet.

It's like you're offended by their numbers. Care to tell me how accurate NPD is with actual proof.

I can't explain anything to you if you know nothing about statistics. And if you knew anything about statistics, you would be agreeing with me about VGChartz. So what's the point of trying to explain anything?

Here's the raw information:

- NPD gathers data from over 60% of all retailers.
- NPD conducts polls and surveys involving thousands of actual buyers to compensate for the 40% that they are missing
- The demographics of those surveys are recorded and factored into the final statistical calculations

I only took statistics in my third year for my engineering degree, so I'm missing the finer points of market analysis. But the fundamental principles of statistics point to the conclusion that NPD has MORE than enough data to achieve a margin of error of less than 5% for 95% of their estimates. In fact, it's possible that their ACTUAL precision can be as low as 0.1% margin of error for 99% of their estimates, depending on their actual methodology, which they don't disclose.

VGChartz gathers data from ONLY small and independent retailers. They REGULARLY miss the mark by tens of thousands of units every single month. Yet for some reason people here trust them? Is one month really so long to wait?

I liked VGChartz back when they were VGCharts.org and they only ever compiled official data without making their own speculations.

So NPD just gives people polls andgather datas? LOL, NPD is no different from VGchartz.