Worldwide hardware sales this week!

Come on now... polls and telephone calls...?

That's hilarious. VGchartz is practically doing the same. LOL.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Can we get a more reliable source, please?XenogearsMaster

You know there isn't any other site that does world wide sales... Why ask?

EDIT and before you get on your fanboy high horse think about this. Why do NO respectable gaming sites use VGcartz figures? Go ahead and check, not one.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="tango90101"]even more sad is that you have to resort to personal attacks rather than addressing the issue..

not suprising tho..

XenogearsMaster

The issue is that you don't have to believe in their numbers, they said it on their site that they're not 100% accurate. Going about it like, "OMgZ VGchartz hurts my feezlings, so I'm going keep bashing it without proof and it will make me feel better" is completely sad.

then cows need to stop using them as "proof".. that's all he was saying...

they're not official. they're not accurate. they're not accountable.

They're actually accurate.... enough...

Hence, they're proof.

"accurate enough"?

wow..that's reassuring..... but certainly not proof... on any level...

maybe to cows (as long as it shows the ps3 in a good light) ...but if you would have noticed last year, their 360 sales didn't move for months...

i guess NOONE bought a 360 for months, right?

i'd put their accuracy right about where SDF.com's accuracy is...

regardless, accurate means accurate... not guessing...

Come on now... polls and telephone calls...?

That's hilarious. VGchartz is practically doing the same. LOL.

XenogearsMaster

EDIT: If I said what I really wanted to say, I'd be banned from the goddamn internet, never mind System Wars.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Can we get a more reliable source, please?blue_hazy_basic

You know there isn't any other site that does world wide sales... Why ask?

You have no proof of that.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Can we get a more reliable source, please?XenogearsMaster

You know there isn't any other site that does world wide sales... Why ask?

You have no proof of that.

And as I said in my edit, if VGchartz is even vaguely reliable, why does no reliable gaming site use those figures for Europe? (or for the US weekly figures they guess for that matter)

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

Come on now... polls and telephone calls...?

That's hilarious. VGchartz is practically doing the same. LOL.

mjarantilla

How ****ing old are you? Six? Five? No, you'd have to be a goddamn FETUS to even think something as ignorant as that. How the HELL did you manage to make it to 1,400 posts on this forum without breaking down from the terrible verbal abuse you must have endured from other posters here?

I'm 22... Telephone calls and polls... come on now.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

Come on now... polls and telephone calls...?

That's hilarious. VGchartz is practically doing the same. LOL.

XenogearsMaster

How ****ing old are you? Six? Five? No, you'd have to be a goddamn FETUS to even think something as ignorant as that. How the HELL did you manage to make it to 1,400 posts on this forum without breaking down from the terrible verbal abuse you must have endured from other posters here?

I'm 22... Telephone calls and polls... come on now.

NPD runs polls involving THOUSANDS of participants.

VGChartz calls maybe a couple of dozen stores.

Interesting. PS3 does have some good exclusives that are coming this year or the start of next. No one can deny that.p4ddym

What goodexclusives are still coming this year? and the start of next? all I can think of is LBP, what are the others?

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Can we get a more reliable source, please?blue_hazy_basic

You know there isn't any other site that does world wide sales... Why ask?

You have no proof of that.

And as I said in my edit, if VGchartz is even vaguely reliable, why does no reliable gaming site use those figures for Europe? (or for the US weekly figures they guess for that matter)

I think there is another that does European sales.

But as for the question, they're an independant group. They do this for free.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]mjanrantilla, just get over it. It's like VGchartz hurted your feelings at some point.mjarantilla

They did, by pretending that they can ever be an alternative to official sources. They're an insult to professionals who earned their station, like faith healers pretending to be doctors, writers who pay publishers to print their books, and people who buy their "education" from a diploma mill.

Now, that is sad....

You're a sad boy. :(

For caring about professional integrity? I think it's sad to ignore it, and utterly pathetic to promote it.

EDIT: Actually, not just pathetic. It's despicable. At least they haven't started charging anyone for their numbers.

Yet.

It's like you're offended by their numbers. Care to tell me how accurate NPD is with actual proof.

I can't explain anything to you if you know nothing about statistics. And if you knew anything about statistics, you would be agreeing with me about VGChartz. So what's the point of trying to explain anything?

Here's the raw information:

- NPD gathers data from over 60% of all retailers.
- NPD conducts polls and surveys involving thousands of actual buyers to compensate for the 40% that they are missing
- The demographics of those surveys are recorded and factored into the final statistical calculations

I only took statistics in my third year for my engineering degree, so I'm missing the finer points of market analysis. But the fundamental principles of statistics point to the conclusion that NPD has MORE than enough data to achieve a margin of error of less than 5% for 95% of their estimates. In fact, it's possible that their ACTUAL precision can be as low as 0.1% margin of error for 99% of their estimates, depending on their actual methodology, which they don't disclose.

VGChartz gathers data from ONLY small and independent retailers. They REGULARLY miss the mark by tens of thousands of units every single month. Yet for some reason people here trust them? Is one month really so long to wait?

I liked VGChartz back when they were VGCharts.org and they only ever compiled official data without making their own speculations.

So NPD just gives people polls andgather datas? LOL, NPD is no different from VGchartz.

No point in trying to explain to him. He's obvioulsy no older than 14 and can't quite comprehend what you're saying to him. Don't blame him, blame his school.

Edti: I'm talking to mjarantill. Something tells me XenogearsMaster isn't very bright.

I think there is another that does European sales.

But as for the question, they're an independant group. They do this for free.

XenogearsMaster

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

Come on now... polls and telephone calls...?

That's hilarious. VGchartz is practically doing the same. LOL.

mjarantilla

How ****ing old are you? Six? Five? No, you'd have to be a goddamn FETUS to even think something as ignorant as that. How the HELL did you manage to make it to 1,400 posts on this forum without breaking down from the terrible verbal abuse you must have endured from other posters here?

I'm 22... Telephone calls and polls... come on now.

NPD runs polls involving THOUSANDS of participants.

VGChartz calls maybe a couple of dozen stores.

The thing is you keep on assumming...

No point in trying to explain to him. He's obvioulsy no older than 14 and can't quite comprehend what you're saying to him. Don't blame him, blame his school.

kingtito

I don't think he ever went to school.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

I'm 22... Telephone calls and polls... come on now.

XenogearsMaster

NPD runs polls involving THOUSANDS of participants.

VGChartz calls maybe a couple of dozen stores.

The thing is you keep on assumming...

I'm not assuming anything.

You know, it's funny how only cows use VGC. And how only cows will argue that VGC = NPD.

Funny, no?

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

No point in trying to explain to him. He's obvioulsy no older than 14 and can't quite comprehend what you're saying to him. Don't blame him, blame his school.

mjarantilla

I don't think he ever went to school.

Even if he did, he obviously failed the ECON and STAT classes.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

No point in trying to explain to him. He's obvioulsy no older than 14 and can't quite comprehend what you're saying to him. Don't blame him, blame his school.

mjarantilla

I don't think he ever went to school.

Assuming...

VgCharts (Europe)actually fones Game which has over 700 stores across western Europe and acounts for 72% of game/console sales.the other 28% is a quess so it is techinically more reliable than NPD Americas results.

(I bet my post gets over looked for not being fanboy enougth btw)

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]so if vgcharts is not reliable wich site is. what do we go by then.gromit007

We go by VGCharts all the time. It's only when sales suck for some console that certain factions call it BS.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]I think there is another that does European sales.

But as for the question, they're an independant group. They do this for free.

blue_hazy_basic

Atually there is a website called chart-track that runs numbers for the UK,Republic of Ireland and Denmark in detail and gets around 50% of other european data but quesses the rest much in the same way as NPD

Admit your pawned and i will be on my way :D

VgCharts (Europe)actually fones Game which has over 700 stores across western Europe and acounts for 72% of game/console sales.the other 28% is a quess so it is techinically more reliable than NPD Americas results.

(I bet my post gets over looked for not being fanboy enougth btw)

muff07

ARe there any links to back all those claims up?

I would specifically love to see a link about Game's supposed 72% sales of all of Europe.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]I think there is another that does European sales.

But as for the question, they're an independant group. They do this for free.

muff07

Atually there is a website called chart-track that runs numbers for the UK,Republic of Ireland and Denmark in detail and gets around 50% of other european data but quesses the rest much in the same way as NPD

Admit your pawned and i will be on my way :D

Ownage denied.

VgCharts (Europe)actually fones Game which has over 700 stores across western Europe and acounts for 72% of game/console sales.the other 28% is a quess so it is techinically more reliable than NPD Americas results.

(I bet my post gets over looked for not being fanboy enougth btw)

muff07

EDIT and c) with no stores in countries like Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy or any of eastern europe how can they possibly account for 72 % of console sales Europe wide?

I fear sir I have to say LAIR LAIR PANTS ON FIRE

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/euro/index.jsp

can i claim ownage now?

[QUOTE="muff07"]

VgCharts (Europe)actually fones Game which has over 700 stores across western Europe and acounts for 72% of game/console sales.the other 28% is a quess so it is techinically more reliable than NPD Americas results.

(I bet my post gets over looked for not being fanboy enougth btw)

blue_hazy_basic

EDIT and c) with no stores in countries like Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy or any of eastern europe how can they possibly account for 72 % of console sales Europe wide?

beacuse the UK ireland and france on there own are 60% of the European market

Eatern europe is very small in video games terms due to them being very deprived(athlough recovering) former comunist countries

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/euro/index.jsp

can i claim ownage now?

muff07

you have to actually provide a link to somewhere that provides the information. What they in fact provide is UNITED KINGDOM only hardware sales!

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/hardware/index.jsp

Doh :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAME_%28retailer%29

and theres the link about game having over 700 stores

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="muff07"]

VgCharts (Europe)actually fones Game which has over 700 stores across western Europe and acounts for 72% of game/console sales.the other 28% is a quess so it is techinically more reliable than NPD Americas results.

(I bet my post gets over looked for not being fanboy enougth btw)

muff07

EDIT and c) with no stores in countries like Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy or any of eastern europe how can they possibly account for 72 % of console sales Europe wide?

beacuse the UK ireland and france on there own are 60% of the European market

Eatern europe is very small in video games terms due to them being very deprived(athlough recovering) former comunist countries

Wait, where'd your evidence that VGChartz gets information from Game?

Now where are you're other links to

1) Game makes up 72% of console sales

and

2) Game supplies VGChartz with their figures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAME_%28retailer%29

and theres the link about game having over 700 stores

muff07

I doubt its 72% as well but wikipedia is the best source of information that i have.

I doubt its 72% as well but wikipedia is the best source of information that i have.

muff07

Even if it was 72%, you still haven't given any evidence that says GAME gives VGChartz their numbers.

I doubt its 72% as well but wikipedia is the best source of information that i have.

muff07

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/euro/index.jsp

can i claim ownage now?

muff07

You could claim ownage if that link provided any info.

Nice try though

I think Gamespot should register with chart-track so that they can post the hardware sales and it would stop arguments like this.

I think Gamespot should register with chart-track so that they can post the hardware sales and it would stop arguments like this.

muff07

[QUOTE="muff07"]

I doubt its 72% as well but wikipedia is the best source of information that i have.

mjarantilla

Even if it was 72%, you still haven't given any evidence that says GAME gives VGChartz their numbers.

Yup, still waiting on that info too.

[QUOTE="muff07"]

I doubt its 72% as well but wikipedia is the best source of information that i have.

blue_hazy_basic

Wiki is pretty good overall though.

[QUOTE="muff07"]

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/euro/index.jsp

can i claim ownage now?

LosDaddie

You could claim ownage if that link provided any info.

Nice try though

you have to become a registered member of the website and pay the fee to get the information.

chart-track is a very poor website but it doesn't actually post any sales numbers just what is in which position for software

[QUOTE="muff07"]

I think Gamespot should register with chart-track so that they can post the hardware sales and it would stop arguments like this.

blue_hazy_basic

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Chart-Track in conjunction with GFK produce the only software market report to cover Europe. The report is based on software sales from 11 European territories:

Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.

Data is compiled from more than 12,000 European retail outlets, including:

Blockbuster, Comet, Game, Woolworths, Dixons, PC World, Virgin, WH Smith, Fnac, Media Märkte, Kaufhof, Hertie, Expert, karstadt, Contiente, Neckermann, Kykshop, Citta Mercato, faref, ITI, Zattarin, Hom...

The formats covered are:

PC Games, Sony Playstation, Sony Playstation 2, Nintendo Gamecube, Nintendo Gameboy, GBC, GB Advance, GBA SP, Microsoft Xbox, Nokia N-Gage.

For pricing and further details please contact Chris Poole: cpoole@chart-track.co

When did Italy and France join the UK?

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="muff07"]

I doubt its 72% as well but wikipedia is the best source of information that i have.

LosDaddie

Wiki is pretty good overall though.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="muff07"]

I think Gamespot should register with chart-track so that they can post the hardware sales and it would stop arguments like this.

muff07

-------------------------------------------------------------

Chart-Track in conjunction with GFK produce the only software market report to cover Europe. The report is based on software sales from 11 European territories:

Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.

Data is compiled from more than 12,000 European retail outlets, including:

Blockbuster, Comet, Game, Woolworths, Dixons, PC World, Virgin, WH Smith, Fnac, Media Märkte, Kaufhof, Hertie, Expert, karstadt, Contiente, Neckermann, Kykshop, Citta Mercato, faref, ITI, Zattarin, Hom...

The formats covered are:

PC Games, Sony Playstation, Sony Playstation 2, Nintendo Gamecube, Nintendo Gameboy, GBC, GB Advance, GBA SP, Microsoft Xbox, Nokia N-Gage.

For pricing and further details please contact Chris Poole: cpoole@chart-track.co

When did Italy and France join the UK?

HARDWARE!!! ---->http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/hardware/index.jsp

Chart-Track monitors sales each week of all the major games consoles: Sony Playstation, Sony Playstation 2,Sony Playstation 3, Sony PSP, Sony PSP Slim & Lite,Nintendo Wii, Nintendo DS, Nintendo DS Lite, Nintendo Gamecube, Gameboy Advance, Microsoft XBox and Microsoft Xbox 360. Data is available to subscribers every Monday afternoon on the previous week's UK sales (via email).