Worst character re-design ever

[QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]

YES! And they did the same crap to Ghost Recon.

GR 2 was passable as a member of the serise but GRAWs are just to far gone. They should be their own franchise just like VEGAS should but they just leech off the Rainbow and Ghost Recon francises.

skrat_01

GR2 was ok. It SUITEd the Xbox - much more than the GR PC port.

GRAW on 360 really is a linear barstard child - but it suits the platform.

GRAW on PC, really is different to the original GR, but thankfully it has the same on the fly tactical planning, soldier equiping, and is much more tactical - and offers more freedom than the console versions - by a longshot.

GRAW on PC is different to the original, but a worthy effort, into getting the title to suit the PC platform, and feel like an evolution in the series.

I still miss the stealthyness, and VERY wide open areas of the first though.

GRAW PC is quite nice and feels more like a GR but still not right.

This "suits the platform" attitude realy agrivates me. Why is that console users are treated as simple retarded children?
Why are they given dumbed down linerar BS like Ravenshield on the XBOX. They broke all the maps and therefore the game by forcing you down a tunnel full of tangoes.

Is it some sort of "Well non actiony games don't sell well on the consoles". They don't sell well on the PC either, they sell better sure but has anyone tried a serisouse sim on a console in while? Full spetrum warrior for example is quite cool and in no way forgiving much like a sim shouldn't be but still it's maps feel very on a rail.

In the end the only differance there shoul dbe is in the controls and 2 analouge sticks is not a solid enough excuse to take whole dimensions of gameplay out just because it's on a console.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Slyprince"]

this is directed to skrats last post

So they were influeced by a game that THEY made. So?

The Armor of master chief is unique, maybe not to the caliber of samus' but it is nontheless

NO OTHER GAME HAS ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE HALO UNIVERSE

You see those elites in my sig? That is original

IMO the halo series' art style is like nothing I have ever seen before

Ballroompirate

Look familiar to the marathon guy?

MCs armour is generic as hell, get over it already fanboy.

As for the Elites, im not going into that area, but I can say they are quite an original design.

And There are loads of other games with much more than the PUNY Halo universe. You are simply to short sighted and wound up in the world of Halo.

And Halos art s.tyle is simply flamboyant and colourful. Sure you can love it, but in comparison to other FPS out there - let alone stacks of other games, its totally buried.

/ And since when was those two comments even part of the topic :| ?

*one thing this thread has confirmed is how short sighted Halo fanboys can become. At least chaps like Spartan70 stand above the rest.

Master Chiefs armor doesnt look like that at all,only thing from the Halo universe that you can compare the marines from Aliens is the Marines from the Halo universe which I dont mind since well,Aliens is one of my favorite movies and I grew up on the graphic novels/comics and just be glad that they at least took something thats great and not crappy.

Yea the Mariens look like Alien Colonial Mariens though.

And yea MC looks ok - and its understandable that people like his looks, but he generic as hell.

Skrat I thought you were hyped for Halo 3?

Worst character redesign... would have to be... damn i thought ofa really good one, then forgot it whilst reading through this thread.

Juggernaut140

i disliked the new look they gave for sub-zero on mk3. it use to bother me on how sub zero looked. he didnt look like a ninja at all and it destroyed my interpretation of him. i am glad that they decided to go back on the old look with the mask along with few adjustment such as having his arms made of ice.

I really don't mind Master chief and Snake looking generic. They're military type people, I doubt whoever designed their suits were worried about whether they had flair or not.

Shoulda added more zippers & belts, those are hawt.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

Skrat I thought you were hyped for Halo 3?

Worst character redesign... would have to be... damn i thought ofa really good one, then forgot it whilst reading through this thread.

skrat_01

yeah well... STALKER is really buggy and the main character looks like a dork, i can pull apart games too :P

oh and the game i thought of... PDZ, Joanna Dark was a cool character, and now she's just a prissy stereotype teen.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]

YES! And they did the same crap to Ghost Recon.

GR 2 was passable as a member of the serise but GRAWs are just to far gone. They should be their own franchise just like VEGAS should but they just leech off the Rainbow and Ghost Recon francises.

Tasman_basic

GR2 was ok. It SUITEd the Xbox - much more than the GR PC port.

GRAW on 360 really is a linear barstard child - but it suits the platform.

GRAW on PC, really is different to the original GR, but thankfully it has the same on the fly tactical planning, soldier equiping, and is much more tactical - and offers more freedom than the console versions - by a longshot.

GRAW on PC is different to the original, but a worthy effort, into getting the title to suit the PC platform, and feel like an evolution in the series.

I still miss the stealthyness, and VERY wide open areas of the first though.

GRAW PC is quite nice and feels more like a GR but still not right.

Indeed!

This "suits the platform" attitude realy agrivates me. Why is that console users are treated as simple retarded children?
Why are they given dumbed down linerar BS like Ravenshield on the XBOX. They broke all the maps and therefore the game by forcing you down a tunnel full of tangoes.

Its becuase the vast majority of console gamers (the general public) are considered to be well 'simple retarted children' - by publishers, and devs. Its the only answer for every PC to console game that has been dumbed down... And that goes for all of them - minus ports. And I share the same R6 Xbox greievances. I rented that with a mate, and we couldent beleive how such a piece of crap could get 9's in Xbox magazines.

Is it some sort of "Well non actiony games don't sell well on the consoles". They don't sell well on the PC either, they sell better sure but has anyone tried a serisouse sim on a console in while? Full spetrum warrior for example is quite cool and in no way forgiving much like a sim shouldn't be but still it's maps feel very on a rail.

It all boils down to the main audience of console games, who are considered to be the types who dont need depth in their games, in exchange for explosions, and a tight linear experience. This assumptions is made by developers and publishers alike.

To give an example, look at Bioshock compared to System Shock 2. Or read my Halo CE preview I found, in comprison to Halo CE on Xbox. Then Look at R6 and Ghost Recon. Or Morrowind and Obvion.

Its beleived that such complex titles wont go down well with the general consumer, and thus dumbed down. This is a main reason why PC is considered THE harcore gaming platform. Because its the only platform to have these titles/games/gameplay that hasent been watered down.

FSW is quite a good game for either platform, but it feels asthough it has been designed to be easily beaten. Cover is in the appropriate areas, and the paths are always linear. Then compare FSW to somthing like Combat Mission: Shockforce, and it pales in comparison. That game is the epitamy of harcore.

In the end the only differance there shoul dbe is in the controls and 2 analouge sticks is not a solid enough excuse to take whole dimensions of gameplay out just because it's on a console.

That is true, and I wish it to be the same. That doesent stop me from enjoying either platforms though. Even if the games are dumbed / wateted down they still have their merits.

Actually a good example of a reverse opinion, is the LOST PLANET port to PC. Many PC reviewers, critised it for being so on rails, dumb, A to B shooting, lacking any depth - and it got average scores - in comparison to console reviews....

I really don't mind Master chief and Snake looking generic. They're military type people, I doubt whoever designed their suits were worried about whether they had flair or not.

Shoulda added more zippers & belts, those are hawt.

Kook18

There's always something to find that makes something else looks generic or been there done that. That doesn't really makes it not cool. Looking at TC posting bomberman reminds me of when ppl say Samus is a rip off of it.

I really don't think either MC or Snake's look is original.

The whole Nomura design thing of pockets, belts etc...was actually nice at first until it became overused.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

Skrat I thought you were hyped for Halo 3?

Worst character redesign... would have to be... damn i thought ofa really good one, then forgot it whilst reading through this thread.

Juggernaut140

yeah well... STALKER is really buggy and the main character looks like a dork, i can pull apart games too :P

LoL. Yea stalker is buggy. Did the new patch work for you? As for the main character, he looks like a down on his luck, drunken / beaten up / drugged up Russian dude in a hazard suit lol :P

oh and the game i thought of... PDZ, Joanna Dark was a cool character, and now she's just a prissy stereotype teen.

And I totally agree with that. Man PDZ sucks in so many ways compared to PD. Thank god the MP, is enjoyable.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

Skrat I thought you were hyped for Halo 3?

Worst character redesign... would have to be... damn i thought ofa really good one, then forgot it whilst reading through this thread.

skrat_01

yeah well... STALKER is really buggy and the main character looks like a dork, i can pull apart games too :P

LoL. Yea stalker is buggy. Did the new patch work for you? As for the main character, he looks like a down on his luck, drunken / beaten up / drugged up Russian dude in a hazard suit lol :P

oh and the game i thought of... PDZ, Joanna Dark was a cool character, and now she's just a prissy stereotype teen.

And I totally agree with that. Man PDZ sucks in so many ways compared to PD. Thank god the MP, is enjoyable.

No the patch didn't work, made the game worse. But i posted in the STALKER forums (embarassed myself by gettin pissed at everyone and not posting my specs) and they found the problem. Something about my computer having integrated graphics which causes the game to **** up. And I thought the singleplayer was enjoyable for PDZ, it's just miles and miles below PD 64.

Post what you think are some of the worst/best character re-designs.

Panzer_Zwei

Well, since you have the worst character redesigns under control, here's a very good character redesign I think:

Before:

After:

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Post what you think are some of the worst/best character re-designs.

the-very-best

Well, since you have the worst character redesigns under control, here's a very good character redesign I think:

Before:

After:

I actually like the new/Advent children tifa look better than the original look.

:edit: nvm thought you didnt like the new tifa look :P

No the patch didn't work, made the game worse. But i posted in the STALKER forums (embarassed myself by gettin pissed at everyone and not posting my specs) and they found the problem. Something about my computer having integrated graphics which causes the game to **** up. And I thought the singleplayer was enjoyable for PDZ, it's just miles and miles below PD 64.

Juggernaut140

PDZ singleplayer was ok. Some missions were abysmal, others were great.

E.g. the first mission (great) vs. the second mission (appaling).

Defitnaly knowhere as good as PD64 though.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

No the patch didn't work, made the game worse. But i posted in the STALKER forums (embarassed myself by gettin pissed at everyone and not posting my specs) and they found the problem. Something about my computer having integrated graphics which causes the game to **** up. And I thought the singleplayer was enjoyable for PDZ, it's just miles and miles below PD 64.

skrat_01

PDZ singleplayer was ok. Some missions were abysmal, others were great.

E.g. the first mission (great) vs. the second mission (appaling).

Defitnaly knowhere as good as PD64 though.

Yeah i have integrated graphics, no i don't have a decent video card. Dividends still haven't come in, so i can't upgrade my computer yet (remember the thread a while back?). It's just my little brother was able to run flight simulator X on my computer with no problems, so i thought i could run STALKER.

PS: d00d! I might get a copy of Halo 3 tomorrow because apparently the Gamestop in Anchorage released it early and my uncle plans on bringing me a copy back tomorrow.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

No the patch didn't work, made the game worse. But i posted in the STALKER forums (embarassed myself by gettin pissed at everyone and not posting my specs) and they found the problem. Something about my computer having integrated graphics which causes the game to **** up. And I thought the singleplayer was enjoyable for PDZ, it's just miles and miles below PD 64.

Juggernaut140

PDZ singleplayer was ok. Some missions were abysmal, others were great.

E.g. the first mission (great) vs. the second mission (appaling).

Defitnaly knowhere as good as PD64 though.

Yeah i have integrated graphics, no i don't have a decent video card. Dividends still haven't come in, so i can't upgrade my computer yet (remember the thread a while back?). It's just my little brother was able to run flight simulator X on my computer with no problems, so i thought i could run STALKER.

PS: d00d! I might get a copy of Halo 3 tomorrow because apparently the Gamestop in Anchorage released it early and my uncle plans on bringing me a copy back tomorrow.

And you get halo 3 you lucky barstard! Make sure you dont have your 360 hooked up to Live as you play it though - as MS could very well ban your account - like others who got their hands on the game.

I dono what all this east vs west stuff you're talking about is, but I remember watching something about the original megaman cover. The guy that did it only had a few hours to make it and had only a few specifics about what the game was about.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

This doesn't really apply, but look at this boxart for the original megaman

(pic)

wow megaman got better, although there's not much accounting for boxart in those days. So, BEST character redesign ever?

(pic)

Panzer_Zwei

The thing, is that in those days, they had an arrangement that said you couldn't use the Japanese artwork, because they saw it as a threat to the western one or something. That's why all the covers from that time were awful.

The worste re-design in the history of gaming. I'll never buy another RARE game again.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Slyprince"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

/\ Snake is simply older.

Still looks badass, and bears a killer mo.

As for MC - looks o.k. but honestly pretty generic.

Ive gotta think of some bad re-designs, when devs have decided to make characters look more 'badass'.

RAINBOW 6! (must get some pics)

Slyprince

Ok please explain to me how snak does not look generic

Hell look at Kurt Russle, then Look at Snake or Big Boss.

the only other fps with power armor I can think of is Metroid Prime

That doesnt seem generic to me.

Because Samus is a woman.

The only thing generic about women in video games now-a-days is their double D breast size (see DOA).

The worste re-design in the history of gaming. I'll never buy another RARE game again.

RawDeal_basic

Jeez, everyone from the 3D Mortal Kombat games and the new Fox McCloud.

she looks like a woman going through a mid-life crisis in the second pic :(
Kook18

lol

How to make a once fantastic tactical shooter generic as hell?

Re-do it for consoles.

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Does anyone Remember when Tom Clancy used to actually have lots of input into the game design, and the games themselves were realistic and authentic?

Well great way to turn all of that into a simpleton Brand Name.

Way to go Ubisoft.

skrat_01

[QUOTE="Slyprince"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

/\ Snake is simply older.

Still looks badass, and bears a killer mo.

As for MC - looks o.k. but honestly pretty generic.

Ive gotta think of some bad re-designs, when devs have decided to make characters look more 'badass'.

RAINBOW 6! (must get some pics)

skrat_01

Ok please explain to me how snak does not look generic

Hell look at Kurt Russle, then Look at Snake or Big Boss.

Thats true, but in bunige's defense it was done so that the character could immerse themselves more. In mgs you play as snake, but in halo you play as a green suit with the name master chief...You can picture yourself in there...but I wish they had a HUD as good as metroid prime;s.

The worste re-design in the history of gaming. I'll never buy another RARE game again.

RawDeal_basic

To

Well, Solid Snake clearly improved over this at least:

Panzer_Zwei

That is awesome.

This doesn't really apply, but look at this boxart for the original megaman

wow megaman got better, although there's not much accounting for boxart in those days. So, BEST character redesign ever?

GunSmith1_basic

Well to be fair Megaman and X are two different characters with two different designs.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Well, Solid Snake clearly improved over this at least:

sonicare

That is awesome.

The worste re-design in the history of gaming. I'll never buy another RARE game again.

RawDeal_basic

Honestly, I know it was a prequel and all, but what was Rare smoking when they were coming up with a character design???

I'm always mixed about this situation. Sometimes I like the new Terry and sometimes I don't. He threw out his trademark Chuck Taylors for some casual footware. He also got rid of his hat to let his hair grow out. Terry you forgot the hat! Now all you can do is throw the jacket over your shoulder to expose your massive body and your sleeveless T-Shirt. The man has put on some bulk as he aged. Its no wonder he lost the Rising Tackle. Ya too big now Terry! Maybe he's been using Steroids? HGH? lol

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Well, Solid Snake clearly improved over this at least:

kniveshurt18

That is awesome.

That is the box art of the NES Metal Gear, that came well after the original.

The dude who did the NES versions box art ripped off Terminator.

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

The worste re-design in the history of gaming. I'll never buy another RARE game again.

Kook18

As much as I dislike the game, it's a prequel. You know, Joanna is young andbrattyin PD0 but as the game progressed she became more of an adult leading to the Joanna we know today.

Wow skrat how many pages on googledid you have to look through to find that sad excuse for ownage?Slyprince

IMO this is why MC looks generic:

welcome to the 80s Bungie

amirite or amirite?

[QUOTE="Slyprince"]Wow skrat how many pages on googledid you have to look through to find that sad excuse for ownage?grayfox_2k

IMO this is why MC looks generic:

welcome to the 80s Bungie

amirite or amirite?

Wait... they copied Daft Punk :o :o :o :o :o

MEGAMAN went from THIS :)

To THIS :|

To THIS :(

[QUOTE="grayfox_2k"]

[QUOTE="Slyprince"]Wow skrat how many pages on googledid you have to look through to find that sad excuse for ownage?hongkingkong

IMO this is why MC looks generic:

welcome to the 80s Bungie

amirite or amirite?

Wait... they copied Daft Punk :o :o :o :o :o

WTF

:lol:

As you can see X and Zero are redesigned plenty. Starting with X's original model, his command mission model and his horrific Megaman X8 Model.

Zero starts out with his post X4 Model and then his Megaman Zero Model. Couldn't find any pics of his SNES model or his Boob light X4 model with the flashly Katana Light Saber Version instead of that nerfed looking Light Pole on a stick.

MEGAMAN went from THIS :)

To THIS :|

To THIS :(

A_zombie

And yet Megaman, Megaman.exe and Megaman Dash are all completly different characters from one another. None of these Megaman's are the same Megaman they are in fact all different which is why they all look different. Check my X and Zero redesign post.

[QUOTE="A_zombie"]

MEGAMAN went from THIS :)

To THIS :|

To THIS :(

Blackbond

And yet Megaman, Megaman.exe and Megaman Dash are all completly different characters from one another. None of these Megaman's are the same Megaman they are in fact all different which is why they all look different. Check my X and Zero redesign post.

Yeah I know, I've played them and watched their shows before. But this is a Megaman character, you know? We know Megaman as... Megaman.

I consider them all different characters. But remodeling from Zero in the X series to Zero in the Megaman Zero series to me is plausable seeing as how it is the same exact character but with a changed appearance. All of these versions of Megaman are all different versions. Megaman was built to look like a little kid but X was designed to look older. How Zero's look changed from Boob lights, to lack there of, to a completely new appearance in the Zero series is beyond me. While X looked different going to X7 on and Command Misson.

[QUOTE="kniveshurt18"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Well, Solid Snake clearly improved over this at least:

skrat_01

That is awesome.

That is the box art of the NES Metal Gear, that came well after the original.

The dude who did the NES versions box art ripped off Terminator.

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[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

The worste re-design in the history of gaming. I'll never buy another RARE game again.

Kook18

Thats because PDZ was a prequel. :roll:

We all know that as games get more sequels, or appear on improved more powerful hardware, characters might get re-designed in order to make them more presentable. However that's not always for the best. Here are two of the worst character re-designs

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Poor Simon, what have they done to you! :cry:

Panzer_Zwei

WOW .... QueerEyeforthe"Straight"Guy, just attack Simon