Would cartoon graphics For the next ZELDA game be a big mistake

Skyward Sword 2?

I don't think any graphics it has would not bother a fan... even if its blocky or blurry.
A cartoon zelda is a safe bet as I highly doubt they can make a realistic zelda on the Wii:U.

g0ddyX

When people say realistic they mean Nintendo level "realistic"

This is "realistic Zelda", which is still actually a stylized mascot game :P

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

I just hope they make the game harder, both with the combat and puzzles. The last few Zelda's have been far too easy.

SuperFlakeman

SS has the most challenging combat in a 3D Zelda game I find. 

TP has the best dungeons dare I say in the entire series.

I assume what you are talking about is obscurity, especially in Majora's Mask. I wouldn't necessarily equate that as being "challenging."

No not really. I just find them too similar to previous games. Puzzles are mainly rehashes of what's been done before and I instantly know what to do. I want to get stuck and have to think for a while instead of flying straight through it.

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.SuperFlakeman

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

I just hope they make the game harder, both with the combat and puzzles. The last few Zelda's have been far too easy.

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

SS has the most challenging combat in a 3D Zelda game I find. 

TP has the best dungeons dare I say in the entire series.

I assume what you are talking about is obscurity, especially in Majora's Mask. I wouldn't necessarily equate that as being "challenging."

No not really. I just find them too similar to previous games. Puzzles are mainly rehashes of what's been done before and I instantly know what to do. I want to get stuck and have to think for a while instead of flying straight through it.

Yeah I knew it you are talking about the process of streamlining video games. I understand completely. I personally don't like the old style of trial & error and borderline obscurity.

However those components are integral if you want to give the player the sense of discovery. Like, you're just messing around, throw a pot into a ring of stone in the water just for lulz and up comes a fish that hands you a mandatory item to the main quest after having been literally stuck for ages.

I understand you want that feeling, I remember it too from the 90s, but honestly it's often just tedious. Hence why I vastly prefer Galaxy over Sm64.

Go back and replay ALttP or OoT. You will find that it's kinda boring actually, at least I do. It's the once you know what to do it's boring phenomenon. While I can keep playing SS and have a blast even the fifth time through.

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Puzzles in SS are definitely not rehashes. At one point you are supposed to whip at an enemy on the other side of the bars and grab the key hanging on his belt, then use it to open the door. 

Another example is the brilliant application of the steel boots; the magnetic property that allows you to walk on the ceiling and walls.

Sorry but this is wrong. Puzzles are original in TP and SS.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.Pete-B

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

Those games to me feel hollow, they lack gameplay substance. 

You can't achieve both simultaneously, that would be the same thing as creating 10 Zelda games at once.

One dungeon in Skyward Sword has more gameplay substance than the 100 "dungeons" in Skyrim.

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

SuperFlakeman

Those games to me feel hollow, they lack gameplay substance. 

You can't achieve both simultaneously, that would be the same thing as creating 10 Zelda games at once.

One dungeon in Skyward Sword has more gameplay substance than the 100 "dungeons" in Skyrim.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"] I guess they're not as good a dev as we thought they were. :( Bathesda, Obsidian and many more devs have done it with less tech. Pete-B

Those games to me feel hollow, they lack gameplay substance. 

You can't achieve both simultaneously, that would be the same thing as creating 10 Zelda games at once.

One dungeon in Skyward Sword has more gameplay substance than the 100 "dungeons" in Skyrim.

How is SS a "corridor" Zelda? Or more of a corridor Zelda compared to any other Zelda? SS was more guided than others, sure, but you still had the freedom to explore or do side stuff whenever you wanted.

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Those games to me feel hollow, they lack gameplay substance. 

You can't achieve both simultaneously, that would be the same thing as creating 10 Zelda games at once.

One dungeon in Skyward Sword has more gameplay substance than the 100 "dungeons" in Skyrim.

DJ-Lafleur

How is SS a "corridor" Zelda? Or more of a corridor Zelda compared to any other Zelda? SS was more guided than others, sure, but you still had the freedom to explore or do side stuff whenever you wanted.

I think he's talking about a vast and semi-open overworld like Hyrule in OoT was.

OoT is sometimes refered to as "the Oblivion of it's time" due to how vast the game world was at the time. (and also because the TES series weren't yet ported over to the consoles)

SS' Skyloft is not really comparable in comparison.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"] skyward sword dungeons having more substance than any of those game is a terrible joke. That game is the corridor zelda, nintendo need to step up. You're telling me they can't make the world bigger without sacrificing gameplay? please! stop making excuses for this company. nameless12345

How is SS a "corridor" Zelda? Or more of a corridor Zelda compared to any other Zelda? SS was more guided than others, sure, but you still had the freedom to explore or do side stuff whenever you wanted.

I think he's talking about a vast and semi-open overworld like Hyrule in OoT was.

OoT is sometimes refered to as "the Oblivion of it's time" due to how vast the game world was at the time. (and also because the TES series weren't yet ported over to the consoles)

SS' Skyloft is not really comparable in comparison.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

How is SS a "corridor" Zelda? Or more of a corridor Zelda compared to any other Zelda? SS was more guided than others, sure, but you still had the freedom to explore or do side stuff whenever you wanted.

Inconsistancy

I think he's talking about a vast and semi-open overworld like Hyrule in OoT was.

OoT is sometimes refered to as "the Oblivion of it's time" due to how vast the game world was at the time. (and also because the TES series weren't yet ported over to the consoles)

SS' Skyloft is not really comparable in comparison.

That may be so, but scale and vastness of the game world has taken a backseat in SS.

Funnily enough, some people complained that Wind Waker's world was too big... (too much sailing)

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

I think he's talking about a vast and semi-open overworld like Hyrule in OoT was.

OoT is sometimes refered to as "the Oblivion of it's time" due to how vast the game world was at the time. (and also because the TES series weren't yet ported over to the consoles)

SS' Skyloft is not really comparable in comparison.

nameless12345

That may be so, but scale and vastness of the game world has taken a backseat in SS.

Funnily enough, some people complained that Wind Waker's world was too big... (too much sailing)

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"] I guess they're not as good a dev as we thought they were. :( Bathesda, Obsidian and many more devs have done it with less tech. Pete-B

Those games to me feel hollow, they lack gameplay substance. 

You can't achieve both simultaneously, that would be the same thing as creating 10 Zelda games at once.

One dungeon in Skyward Sword has more gameplay substance than the 100 "dungeons" in Skyrim.

The ancient Cistern in Skyward Sword alone is probably more unique than all of the dungeons in skyrim

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Those games to me feel hollow, they lack gameplay substance. 

You can't achieve both simultaneously, that would be the same thing as creating 10 Zelda games at once.

One dungeon in Skyward Sword has more gameplay substance than the 100 "dungeons" in Skyrim.

Shinobishyguy

The ancient Cistern in Skyward Sword alone is probably more unique than all of the dungeons in skyrim

yes. lets make a more mature zelda for once please.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Pete-B"] skyward sword dungeons having more substance than any of those game is a terrible joke. Pete-B

There's is actually ZERO precedence of Nintendo showing anything about a game before it's announcement.

The fact that that tech demo was shown is more evidence that the game will NOT look like it, that will.

goblaa

I personally would like 3 deminsional Link to the Past style I want to see Pink-haired Link again.

The next Zelda should not use cel-shading, no.

We also need a much darker Zelda than WW and SS.  Think TP and OOT instead of WW and SS.

Both directions are fantastic, but it's time to switch it up again.  They've switched from game to game since OOT excluding Majora's Mask (but that was a side game), so it just makes sense to continue the trend.  Keep things as fresh as possible.

Despite which artstyle EAD picks for the Next Zelda, the gameplay will always be aimed at Aonuma's audience! His Kids

its not like they can achieve anything decent looking on wiiu.silversix_

[QUOTE="silversix_"]its not like they can achieve anything decent looking on wiiu.DropsofJupiter

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.SuperFlakeman

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.DropsofJupiter

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.DropsofJupiter

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

I still prefer Retro Studios help develope Zelda.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]its not like they can achieve anything decent looking on wiiu.DropsofJupiter

Looks like a brown color graded generic FF mess.  Pikmin 3, now that looks incredible.  That's a game I could just stare at.

Doesn't make sense from the people who made Xenoblade, maybe they'll do a 180.

If Wii U Zelda looks like the E3 demo I'd buy a Wii U, especially if it has a few more good games. If the new Zelda is cartoony/kiddy, I'll pass on the system as a whole...

Kids love cartoon. Cartoon graphics = $$$ for Kidtendo.

dont we already throw enough realism in our games? whats wrong with keeping Zelda the way it was meant to be? I say make the controls more simple like the original,make the graphics simple,..and just up the maps,characters,ect..everything doesnt have to scream "real" just cause it can.

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

FireEmblem_Man

I still prefer Retro Studios help develope Zelda.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.Pete-B

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

Well, those devs sure got the scale part right. The substance part though...not so much.

It would be a borderline Disaster. 

It would be the difference between a game that could reach a lot of people and become an incredibly popular game in the industry and sell a wiiu to a lot of people whom otherwise would not buy one into being just another Zelda game that is bought by only Nintendo fans. 

dont we already throw enough realism in our games? whats wrong with keeping Zelda the way it was meant to be? I say make the controls more simple like the original,make the graphics simple,..and just up the maps,characters,ect..everything doesnt have to scream "real" just cause it can.

VanDammFan

Why not try something different and let us take on dungeons in any order we want, and depending on what order you beat them it affects the other dungeons(think of it like megaman x where beating the ice level would freeze the fire level, or the prince of persia game). Just try something different for Pete's sake.

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

goblaa

Well, those devs sure got the scale part right. The substance part though...not so much.

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Pete-B"] I guess they're not as good a dev as we thought they were. :( Bathesda, Obsidian and many more devs have done it with less tech. Pete-B

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="goblaa"]Well, those devs sure got the scale part right. The substance part though...not so much.Shinobishyguy

I do like when games go in a more artistic direction, but with Wind Waker HD coming out I wouldn't complain if they went the realistic route. With the hardware of the Wii U either one is going to look good.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"] no substance... good one :lol: DropsofJupiter

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]you're really trying to imply that Skyrim has substance in anything but it's overworld?
The game is an utter definition of "jack of all trades master of none"Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"] Skyrim has so much substance it can literally last 500 hours. Pete-B

This. Zelda needs a major revamp not just a new lick of paint.

I love the Wind Waker style, but building an HD console just to end up making a cell shaded game would be ridiculously stupid.

i think it would be a good idea to make it gritty and more realistic.....it will bring in some gamers from pc and other consoles..

Either make it full cartoony like Wind Waker, or full realistic like Twilight Princess. None of this Skyward Sword sh*t.DropsofJupiter

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/

The latest rumors about it say they are keeping Skyward Sword's artstyle.  

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"] Skyrim has so much substance it can literally last 500 hours. Pete-B

I don't really care what stylistic direction the next game takes, as long as the design and controls are top notch, the experience is immersive and the story and characters reasonably good, which is the least anybody expects from a Zelda game where Skyward Sword pretty much failed to deliver on all counts.

I think it would be a waste of the Wii U's capabilities. The demo showed that it can look amazing with realistic graphics. Wind Waker HD looks fine, but the series has worked better with realistic graphics and has proven it can use them.

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"]Either make it full cartoony like Wind Waker, or full realistic like Twilight Princess. None of this Skyward Sword sh*t.StrongDeadlift

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/

The latest rumors about it say they are keeping Skyward Sword's artstyle.  

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"]Either make it full cartoony like Wind Waker, or full realistic like Twilight Princess. None of this Skyward Sword sh*t.DropsofJupiter

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/

The latest rumors about it say they are keeping Skyward Sword's artstyle.