Would cartoon graphics For the next ZELDA game be a big mistake

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"] no substance... good one :lol: DropsofJupiter

Pong can last for 500 hours. Length has nothing to do with substance.

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/

The latest rumors about it say they are keeping Skyward Sword's artstyle.  

Shinobishyguy

I would love SS's visuals with many times the hardware power.

A zedla games that looked like this, but fully playable would be amazing:

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]you're really trying to imply that Skyrim has substance in anything but it's overworld?
The game is an utter definition of "jack of all trades master of none"

goblaa

Pong can last for 500 hours. Length has nothing to do with substance.

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/

The latest rumors about it say they are keeping Skyward Sword's artstyle.  

Shinobishyguy

Shinobishyguy" So making zelda more like skyrim is your idea of "progression"? "

No. I never asked for it to be skyrim. original post :roll:

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]I'd prefer a more realistic approach. Something like the tech demo or TP. A Zelda game with the scale of the project x game would be amazing.SuperFlakeman

> Scale
> Gameplay substance

Pick one. 

Something like this is what I wanted, more freedom, and actually feel like you're an adventurer instead of a bunch of dungeons tape together. Nintendo can do a lot with this series.

We're not asking for gfx like Elder scroll or crysis(at least I'm not). I'm asking for something along the lines of the tech demo, TP or OoT. No more cell shaded, cartoony gfx with small levels. How about creating a world that actually feel like it can be explored as opposed to some levels duct-taped together. How about more interaction with npc, with sidequest.

Why not try something different and let us take on dungeons in any order we want, and depending on what order you beat them it affects the other dungeons(think of it like megaman x where beating the ice level would freeze the fire level, or the prince of persia game). Just try something different for Pete's sake.

That doesn't sound like skyrim or new vegas, but defensive sheep will see whatever they want to see.

Shinobishyguy" So making zelda more like skyrim is your idea of "progression"? "No. I never asked for it to be skyrim. original post :roll:[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"][QUOTE="Pete-B"]> Scale
> Gameplay substancePick one. Pete-B

We're not asking for gfx like Elder scroll or crysis(at least I'm not). I'm asking for something along the lines of the tech demo, TP or OoT. No more cell shaded, cartoony gfx with small levels. How about creating a world that actually feel like it can be explored as opposed to some levels duct-taped together. How about more interaction with npc, with sidequest.Why not try something different and let us take on dungeons in any order we want, and depending on what order you beat them it affects the other dungeons(think of it like megaman x where beating the ice level would freeze the fire level, or the prince of persia game). Just try something different for Pete's sake.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"] F*ck you Nintendo.DropsofJupiter

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] in all honesty would SS's visuals look so bad?Shinobishyguy

All of Zelda's dungeons have depth. Even the ones in Skyward Sword.DropsofJupiter

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"]All of Zelda's dungeons have depth. Even the ones in Skyward Sword.Shinobishyguy

I want the E3 tech demos graphics, and take out the  wii mote motion controls and the gamepadding that was in Skyward Sword.

I want the E3 tech demos graphics, and take out the  wii mote motion controls and the gamepadding that was in Skyward Sword.

crimsonman1245

It will be a mistake for those who think Cartoon Graphics mean terrible games to miss out on it.

Wind Waker is a great Zelda game.

[QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"]All of Zelda's dungeons have depth. Even the ones in Skyward Sword.Shinobishyguy

It will be a mistake for those who think Cartoon Graphics mean terrible games to miss out on it.

Wind Waker is a great Zelda game.

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

It will be a mistake for those who think Cartoon Graphics mean terrible games to miss out on it.

Wind Waker is a great Zelda game.

Pete-B

Gamespot sure did.

unless you mean "people who think cartoon graphics are bad" part, then come on man, Wind Waker got dogged on for HAVING cartoon graphics.

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

It will be a mistake for those who think Cartoon Graphics mean terrible games to miss out on it.

Wind Waker is a great Zelda game.

LegatoSkyheart

Gamespot sure did.

unless you mean "people who think cartoon graphics are bad" part, then come on man, Wind Waker got dogged on for HAVING cartoon graphics.

Since this topic is totally off rails, I might as well list what I would like from the next zelda.

- let me do the dungeons in any order. It's ok if the first dungeon is always the first (as an intro) and the last is always the last (like ganon's castle or something), but all the rest in between should be done in any order. What's missing from zelda these days is that sense of exploration that was in the orginals. Let me discover the dungeons myself.

- Make rupees worth something. SS sorta fixed this, but finding ruppes is about as useful as finding rat turds.

- Do NOT go back to traditional controls. If I have to press buttons to attack, I'm not playing.

- Full voice acting for everyone but link...and I don't mean sometimes their voices, and sometimes there's text like Ni no Kuni.

- I would prefer cartoon visuals over realistic ones really. Zelda from day one has had a cartoon look. Even the concept and promotional art for OoT and MM was cartoony. Infact the only zelda game that had nothing cartoony about it was TP and I'd argue that was the least original and most soulless of the zeldas.

- The biggest issue though that needs fixing is the dungeon formula. It's just gotten so stale and predictable. Enter dungeon, find map, find item x, use item x to solve puzzles, use item x to defeat boss and hit him 3 times, collect one of three "things" to progress the story, and never use item x in any meaningful way again.

IMO, the best way to fix this is to choose 3-4 items vital to the game and make them available almost immediatly. The rest of the items are hidded and totally optional. You should be able to finisg the game with only the vital items, but by doing so you miss a lot of content (sort of like how you can beat mario with only 60 stars). Finding hidden items would give the game a greater sense of discovery and a greater reward for exploring other than more useless rupees. Hidden items could be used to get to places you can't usually go, find shortcuts, or defeat monsters/bosses easier.

a bigger and more connected overworld would definitely be great, but the notion that zelda's dungeons have no depth is still laughable

Shinobishyguy

What ever fits their target :)

I would love a new Zelda game in Windwaker graphic but in crisp HD :oops:

I'd love a return to a windwaker-esque art style, In fact due to the weak processing power of the Wii U I'd prefer it.

I would love a new Zelda game in Windwaker graphic but in crisp HD :oops:

aroxx_ab

While the visual style is not indicitave of how good its going to be. Lets compare the amount of hype Surrounding Wind Waker, and SS before they released compared to Twilight Princess

Twilight Princess was hyped to be THE BEST GAME EVER for gods sakes lol. Does anyone remember the crowd reaction when they revealed a fully grown link riding epona at e3? The crowd went absolutely bonkers. 

The Wind Waker announcement was a complete dud and so was the Skyward Sword announcement. The general public released a unified breathe of MEH when they showed them off. It will be so good for Nintendo and the WiiU to make an HD awesome looking realistic Zelda. 

While the visual style is not indicitave of how good its going to be. Lets compare the amount of hype Surrounding Wind Waker, and SS before they released compared to Twilight Princess

Twilight Princess was hyped to be THE BEST GAME EVER for gods sakes lol. Does anyone remember the crowd reaction when they revealed a fully grown link riding epona at e3? The crowd went absolutely bonkers. 

The Wind Waker announcement was a complete dud and so was the Skyward Sword announcement. The general public released a unified breathe of MEH when they showed them off. It will be so good for Nintendo and the WiiU to make an HD awesome looking realistic Zelda. 

VendettaRed07

Twilight Princess was a far better game than Wind waker.  A far, far better game.  Even better than Skyward Sword in some respects.

It's almost as if there are 2 different Zelda teams but I know there's not.  I would go absolutely bonkers over a return to the atmospheric style in TP.  I played that game more times than I can count and I wouldn't even want to think about playing WW and SS due to the padding and tedium that's in those games, great as WW was and SS is.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

While the visual style is not indicitave of how good its going to be. Lets compare the amount of hype Surrounding Wind Waker, and SS before they released compared to Twilight Princess

Twilight Princess was hyped to be THE BEST GAME EVER for gods sakes lol. Does anyone remember the crowd reaction when they revealed a fully grown link riding epona at e3? The crowd went absolutely bonkers. 

The Wind Waker announcement was a complete dud and so was the Skyward Sword announcement. The general public released a unified breathe of MEH when they showed them off. It will be so good for Nintendo and the WiiU to make an HD awesome looking realistic Zelda. 

Chozofication

Twilight Princess was a far better game than Wind waker.  A far, far better game.  Even better than Skyward Sword in some respects.

It's almost as if there are 2 different Zelda teams but I know there's not.  I would go absolutely bonkers over a return to the atmospheric style in TP.  I played that game more times than I can count and I wouldn't even want to think about playing WW and SS due to the padding and tedium that's in those games, great as WW was and SS is.

Really, you're in the minority there if you think TP was one of the better zelda games. WW and SS had their issues, but nothing compared to TP's issues.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="DropsofJupiter"] F*ck you Nintendo.goblaa

I would love SS's visuals with many times the hardware power.

A zedla games that looked like this, but fully playable would be amazing:

What you are asking for is a 2D, top-down Zelda like the ones before OoT.

I'd like to see such a Zelda at some point as well.

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

While the visual style is not indicitave of how good its going to be. Lets compare the amount of hype Surrounding Wind Waker, and SS before they released compared to Twilight Princess

Twilight Princess was hyped to be THE BEST GAME EVER for gods sakes lol. Does anyone remember the crowd reaction when they revealed a fully grown link riding epona at e3? The crowd went absolutely bonkers. 

The Wind Waker announcement was a complete dud and so was the Skyward Sword announcement. The general public released a unified breathe of MEH when they showed them off. It will be so good for Nintendo and the WiiU to make an HD awesome looking realistic Zelda. 

goblaa

Twilight Princess was a far better game than Wind waker.  A far, far better game.  Even better than Skyward Sword in some respects.

It's almost as if there are 2 different Zelda teams but I know there's not.  I would go absolutely bonkers over a return to the atmospheric style in TP.  I played that game more times than I can count and I wouldn't even want to think about playing WW and SS due to the padding and tedium that's in those games, great as WW was and SS is.

Really, you're in the minority there if you think TP was one of the better zelda games. WW and SS had their issues, but nothing compared to TP's issues.

I might be in the minority but i'm right.  Wind Waker was far from a finsished game and could get quite tedious from time to time, and sailing needed a lot of polish.  The dungeon and level design was nothing compared to Twilight Princess.

Skyward sword is a better game than TP overall, partly because of the control inginuity and partly because of how gorgeous and open it is, but it seems to me it still can't match Twilight princess in its dungeon or item design.  TP didn't have the padding and occasional tedium of SS though it's nowhere as bad as WW.  And TP was very atmospheric and surreal, Wind Waker and SS have nothing to pull me in like that.

Really I still like Wind Waker, it has its charms, but needed a TON of work.  Ocarina and Majora are much better games.  Wind Waker is at the bottom of the barrel.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

Twilight Princess was a far better game than Wind waker.  A far, far better game.  Even better than Skyward Sword in some respects.

It's almost as if there are 2 different Zelda teams but I know there's not.  I would go absolutely bonkers over a return to the atmospheric style in TP.  I played that game more times than I can count and I wouldn't even want to think about playing WW and SS due to the padding and tedium that's in those games, great as WW was and SS is.

Chozofication

Really, you're in the minority there if you think TP was one of the better zelda games. WW and SS had their issues, but nothing compared to TP's issues.

I might be in the minority but i'm right.  Wind Waker was far from a finsished game and could get quite tedious from time to time, and sailing needed a lot of polish.  The dungeon and level design was nothing compared to Twilight Princess.

Skyward sword is a better game than TP overall, partly because of the control inginuity and partly because of how gorgeous and open it is, but it seems to me it still can't match Twilight princess in its dungeon or item design.  TP didn't have the padding and occasional tedium of SS though it's nowhere as bad as WW.  And TP was very atmospheric and surreal, Wind Waker and SS have nothing to pull me in like that.

Really I still like Wind Waker, it has its charms, but needed a TON of work.  Ocarina and Majora are much better games.  Wind Waker is at the bottom of the barrel.

As long as it looks good (Wind Waker) and not crappy (Skyward Sword) then I'm cool with it.

Also needs to fit the tone.

While the visual style is not indicitave of how good its going to be. Lets compare the amount of hype Surrounding Wind Waker, and SS before they released compared to Twilight Princess

Twilight Princess was hyped to be THE BEST GAME EVER for gods sakes lol. Does anyone remember the crowd reaction when they revealed a fully grown link riding epona at e3? The crowd went absolutely bonkers. 

The Wind Waker announcement was a complete dud and so was the Skyward Sword announcement. The general public released a unified breathe of MEH when they showed them off. It will be so good for Nintendo and the WiiU to make an HD awesome looking realistic Zelda. 

VendettaRed07

I would like to see Link to the Past style but 3D instead of 2D and in HD on the Wii U.

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Really, you're in the minority there if you think TP was one of the better zelda games. WW and SS had their issues, but nothing compared to TP's issues.

Pete-B

I might be in the minority but i'm right.  Wind Waker was far from a finsished game and could get quite tedious from time to time, and sailing needed a lot of polish.  The dungeon and level design was nothing compared to Twilight Princess.

Skyward sword is a better game than TP overall, partly because of the control inginuity and partly because of how gorgeous and open it is, but it seems to me it still can't match Twilight princess in its dungeon or item design.  TP didn't have the padding and occasional tedium of SS though it's nowhere as bad as WW.  And TP was very atmospheric and surreal, Wind Waker and SS have nothing to pull me in like that.

Really I still like Wind Waker, it has its charms, but needed a TON of work.  Ocarina and Majora are much better games.  Wind Waker is at the bottom of the barrel.

;) We know our Zelda.