Would you rather Nintendo get 3rd party or become 3rd party?

Tell me you're not still salty about Cloud being in Smash.

@DarkLink77: Well pardon me (and others) for disliking something you like. As OT as that is.

I say be careful what you wish for, Nintendos first and second party is substantial because it needs to be, they put out games to prop up and carry their systems. If your mad because you have to buy their systems to play their games then you must be relatively new to gaming because this is the way its always been.

Hardware wise Nintendo is essential to the mix, they create new ways for players to interact with games, which is more important than power nowadays. Just look at Sony and Microsoft, neither can push the tech envelope, its just not feasible anymore.. Their consoles are nothing more than generic, stagnating utility machines, no flavour, no oomph, no thank you.

Get, because Nintendo is never going third party.

Nope! I'll be pulling out of that fandom before that ever happens. No way I'll be crawling back to a company that would walk a suicidal path like that.

I'd say go handheld only. That's the one thing Nintendo (almost) always does perfectly.

If Nintendo goes 3rd party then Microsoft and Sony will take a turd all over gaming.

Ehmm , just lol .. Splatoon is not AAA caliber game nor The last story. Xeno is the only AAA caliber game from your list and that was 4 years ago. So please ...

What's the lol? You asked a question, he answered it.

Nintendo is investing in new IPs again now, major ones, big ones, and even apart from that, they have the best development talent in the industry, the best first party. If their console actually got all major third party support in addition to their own first party stuff? There would legitimately be no reason to buy an Xbox or PlayStation.

@charizard1605:

Those games are nothing compared to games that costing millions of millions , with AAA quality in mind in order to established and make SALES console wise.

Do you even get what AAA caliber games mean or not ? Nintendo doesnt even try to and why not when all those years they could sell consoles just with the big 4. That isnt working as intended it seems and games like Splatoon or Last Story are FAAAAAR from what AAA caliber titles mean in order to push console sales. Far by miles. ( They are not even AAA to begin with )

So , when Nintendo get to work and really try , like Sony does , take their chances for once and start making new experiences and games from scratch... they might have a chance ... If not , Good luck.

Go 3rd party or quit making games altogether. They are a mediocre developer who make bad games that get overrated by their hardcore shrinking fanbase. It is sad.

You have to be delusional to think low budget simplistic games like Mario kart, smash and zelda can even compare to High Budget AAA games like MGSV, Fallout 4 or GTAV.

Get out of here with your fanboy drivel. Everyone in the real world(NOT the internet) refuses to buy nintendos games/consoles because they suck. Everyone thinks nintendo makes bad games except you delusional fanboys.

It is quite amazing how the vocal minority on the internet is the exact opposite of the real world.

I know this may be hard for you fanboys to accept but PS4 has the best games and people in real life enjoy Sony's first party games. You guys are good for a laugh at how out of touch you are with reality.

@AzatiS: so what I understood from that incoherent rambling was, if Sony does it, it counts. If Nintendo does, it does not.

Alright then.

Become third party.

They are nothing but a gimmick these days

They are moving to mobile gaming so that means they'll release games that are even more inferior to the games they release today.

Third party is best for them. A company that lost it's way and now has to answer to it's betters.

I don't get this line of thinking, I think @nintendoboy16 feels this way as well. These people don't show interest in shelling out $350 for Nintendo's consoles, true, but that's no guarantee that they would still hold no interest in their software if that barrier was no longer a consideration. You can rest assured that there are many out there who own PS4s and Ones and not Wii Us who still desire Nintendo games but cannot justify the hardware price to be worth the cost of admission, but they'd be more than happy to purchase their games if they were available elsewhere.

OT,

Nintendo should get third party, but contingent upon a few factors: they bring their policies and services (online) up to standards and parity, and make sure that all of their third party offerings either match or exceed what Sony and MS have. Preferably by a distinguishment that isn't another bullshit gimmick. That's the only way I'd entertain purchasing on Nintendo's hardware. In other words, it's not going to happen, because a) Nintendo always needs to be their own special little snowflake, and b) they appear terrified of doing something most businesses thrive on: COMPETITION. They have to compete again if they are to stand any chance of successful third party comeback, and until then, it shouldn't even be humored.

I deeply believe Nintendo needs to change their entire mindset and approach to the market and their rivals to become much more aggressive and pro-active. When people look at which third party games to buy, they look at what system gives them the best value for their buck, which is usually determined by specs and performance, something Nintendo finds irrelevant. Given not only Nintendo's meekness and passivity for many years now, but also their lagging behind everyone else in the features many gamers crave, at this point they are better suited to be working for others. Hopefully Kimishima will enact change, but there's no indications as of yet anything's different.

Errrrrr.....uuuummmmm......yea, no.

Sorry man, I just can't give up Naughty Dog. TLoU is as good a game to me as any of Nintendo's best. Can't say about The Last Guardian yet, we'll have to see but it's looking promising. I'd also be hard pressed to abandon Forza and GeoW. Sony and MS may pale in comparison to Nintendo on first party, but for me they still have enough to warrant system purchases.

I suppose yes, I should have strictly said you would have very little reasons to purchase Xbox or PlayStation, as opposed to making a blanket statement like that.

@Jaysonguy:

Gimmicks that Sony and Microsoft copy?

If Nintendo goes 3rd party say hello to DRM and good bye to pre owned games.

Nintendo has the worst DRM in the fucking industry....

That was your retort? That if Nintendo and it's crippling DRM left the industry it would get worse?

Them going third party would bankrupt the company. They survive because they make software AND hardware.

And with the way people shit on Nintendo these days, they wouldn't survive on software sales alone. Especially to make such high quality games that they do make.

If Nintendo got the kind of 3rd party support that the other two major console manufacturing companies get, there would be no reason to buy an Xbox or Playstation brand system. Their 1st party pales in comparison to what Nintendo does in content, polish, challenge and creativity.

@Pikminmaniac:

You know ONLY nintendo fanboys on the internet claim "nintendo makes amazing first party games and Sony/MS don't"

You need to accept reality. In the real world, people enjoy Sony's and MS's first party games more than nintendos games because they think nintendos games suck.

People in the real world will gladly buy a PS4 or xbone for their firstparty exclusives.

Those same people refuse to buy a nintendo console. Why? Because they DON'T like nintendos games.

If nintendos games were so amazing like you claim they are, people would buy them. They aren't amazing and people are not buying nintendo. FACT!

Why can't you delusional fanboys just accept that? I swear you just spew that garbage because you know deep down nintendo is mediocre and you are so desperate to defend their terrible games/systems.

Become 3rd party is the best option for Nintendo.

@stuff238: Relax man. I enjoy some of Sony's and Mictisoft's exclusives (infamous, earlier fables), but Nintendo devs tend to focus on the aspects of gaming that I hold above the rest. We seem to share the same game design philosophies that make games phenominal.

I consistently buy Nintendo consoles solely for their first party. would never buy an Xbox or Playstation console for their 1st party offerings. I buy those consoles for the great 3rd party games I can't get with Nintendo. To each their own.

P.S. do you know what the words "fact" and "reality" mean. You shouldn't be using words you don't understand.

Funny you say no one is buying Nintendo games when Nintendo is the leading developer in game sales this gen. And no, people do not buy PS4 and Xbox One for exclusives, they buy them for GTA, Madden, NBA2K, FiFa, CoD, you know, the games that are leading on yalls consoles in sales.

But i dare you to compare yalls leading sales to Nintendos, youll see a major difference in quality. Majority of Nintendo fans love buying awesome games. Majority of PS4 and Xbox One fans love buying yearly releases. Just look it up mate, the evidence is clear.

This is nothing more then a case of Justin Bieber vs Jack White, different strokes for different folks.

Become for me. I have no intentions or desire to buy any Nintendo consoles. My PS4 is perfectly fine by me. The same goes for Xbox One by the way. I find it hard to justify a console purchase when it will only be used for exclusives.

I'm personally of the mind that I would prefer all games to be 3rd party and let the companies battle it out with hardware and extras instead. But that is never going to happen because games are a cheap and easy way of gaining leverage.

I'd rather have one console and never play the exclusives on the others than waste money on three when two of them will sat collecting dust for most of the year.

It's tough, but I'd say become 3rd party.

I say this, mostly because I expect the NX to be underpowered, and barely an improvement on the already mediocre PS4/XB1 (in terms of hardware power). Thus, them gaining even FULL 3rd party support, as unlikely as that is, is only of minor interest to me. However, if Nintendo went 3rd party...at least I wouldn't have to worry about buying a 3rd hardware device.

Now if Nintendo actually made a brilliant piece of hardware, that was far and beyond current gen and also offered something unique (unique, but not a gimmick)... I might think differently. I just realize this is highly unlikely given Nintendo's recent history.

with 3rd party more competition in the market is better for us consumers

Get third party. The only reason they should become third party, is because their console aren't really worth owning for a few 1st party exclusives only.

I really hope the NX gets support. I'll be very happy. A Nintendo console and the PC, the true gaming combination.

First off, that $350.00 is bunk. Anyone calling themselves a gamer knows how much he can pay for a console direct from Nintendo and it isn't anywhere close to $350.00. If these games were as great as the Nintendo shills would have you believe, they'd be able to put players in front of the consoles but it doesn't happen. Some of these games are very good don't get me wrong but they don't have the same effect on the gaming industry as they once did. The Wii U is a much better all around system than the Wii with first party games, B.C. and price yet people ignore it. There once was a time when Nintendo games could push its system but that has been a very long time removed. The law of averages says some of the X1 and P4 owners would like to play Mario & Company but reality says many of these people have left these franchises behind never to look back. A Metroid game or something else removed from jumping on mushrooms might do well.

I would rather Nintendo get their shit together and have 3rd parties make games for their platform.

Yeah it needs Battlefronts and Destinies and Microtransactions and Season Passes and all that cool new shit.

Get with the times Ninty !

When I say something like that last part, I get called out for "victimizing" Nintendo. Still, it's true. Even if Nintendo's criticism is warranted, it still doesn't stop the fact that they are seen as either a corporate version of...

a) a dictatorial government

b) Meg Griffin from Family Guy (who's hated by even her own family, even though even she comes off as much as an awful person as much as the others)

c) George Lucas

d) all of the above, because either way, it's not good

So I still have no clue on why those people "want" Nintendo to be a third party and think they'd thrive when the exact opposite (both financially and critically) would happen. At least George Lucas selling off Star Wars had a consistent reaction from his critics (which is to say, many film goers, Star Wars and Indiana Jones fans).

They need to stay in the game and bring it hard.

They first need to get in the game.

Become 3rd party. I'm interested in 1 or 2 Nintendo franchises but they certainly dont warrant a console purchase from me. Only Nindendo fans would want otherwise

I disagree. People want to play Nintendo games they just dont want to buy an outdated console for that

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Neither. I personally don't need them to have third party games, the exception being third party exclusives, because I have other platforms to play multiplatform games on. They need to keep bumping out creative and quality 1st party content for me to keep buying their hardware.

And the dumbest post of the year goes to...

Learn to understand what my point is to begin with ....

AAA CALIBER NEW IPS means the production and quality standards of a title AIMS for AAA caliber. Releasing a game like Last story or Splatoon and cross your fingers to be AAA is NOT an AAA caliber game . You dont even know what my point is and you getting so sensitive.

Live with it , you like it or not , Nintendo is one of the worst consoles to play with when it comes to AAA caliber 1st party NEW IPs.v They dont even try and thats why Wii U failed . PEople moved on , got tired or dont care anymore. How to keep the new generation interested when you live in the past and you dont try for the next generation of games ? Why Sony tries new IP every single generation , craps or not ? How comes every single generation Sony releasing some of the best games ever created on their respective genres as NEW IPs and Nintendo wont ? Name a single new IP for Wii U that met AAA standards like Bloodborne ? Where are the new awesome experiences from the "best" developer in the world , voted by you and many others ? Something isnt right here right ?

If by any means you want a comparison because you find what i say incoherent rambling , lets talk with GAMES lists and lets compare. For each and every gen since PS1 , NEW IP big blockbust... but you know the outcome .. so stop defending , a god knows what , and face the facts. Nintendo needs to bring it hard thats all there is to it , if they want NX to succeed. It is what it is

Some PS1 AAA caliber NEW IPs exclusives

- Metal Gear solid - Crash Bandicoot - Gran Turismo - Tekken - Klonoa - Vagrant Story - Syphon Filter - Wipeout - Silent Hill and the list goes on like Alundra and Xenogears and Oddworld and Parasite Eve and so many more and to be fair i wont mention the 3D versions of some of the best games ever made like FF7/FF9 etc because theoritically are not new IPs even if technically are ... but anyways.

Some PS2 AAA caliber NEW IPs exclusives/time exclusives

Add all the above sequels AND NEW IPS like

God of War - Ico - Shadow of the Colossus - Ratchet and Clank - Jak and Daxter - Dark Cloud - Onimusha - MAximo - Disgaea - Okami - DMC

Some PS3 AAA caliber NEW IPs exclusives

The last of us - Uncharted - Infamous - Resistance - Little Big planet - Journey - Demon Souls - Heavy Rain - Motorstorm - Warhawk

And i havent dig enough to name all games worth mention games because are too many ,specially PS1/PS2 era. And charizard comes here to defend a sheep calling Splatoon and Last story AAA caliber titles ... Whatever ! Just let em be.

There is a reason why Sony has to release new IPs so much, its cause so many get rehashed, dont sell, or just plain suck. Nintendo doesnt have to make so many new IPs cause they make so many good ones and follow ups that people beg for more.

If we compare N64 IP exclusives, Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U. Nintendo has some awesome new IP exclusives plus so much more.

If you dont like Nintendo thats fine, but dont be so butthurt about them, just let it go.

@Vatusus: Pure politics. Sales and again, that top 100 list argue otherwise. The public would sooner buy the next CoD/Assasin's Creed/Madden/Battlefield/Elder Scrolls/Fallout/"traditional" fighting game (Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat/Tekken/Soul/DOA, you name it), etc, over a new Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/Smash/Metroid/DK/Kirby. Hell, PC gamers more or less laughed at Nintendo when they released FPS (Goldeneye, Perfect Dark) and I wouldn't be surprised if they did their strategy games (Pikmin, Battalion Wars), not to mention are among those who get all defensive whenever SOMEBODY mentions that Nintendo brought games back up after the North American gaming crash, besides, don't they hate "consolized shit?" And PlayStation fans, consisting of several former Nintendo fans, saw them as tyrants for how Yamauchi treated Sony and many third parties and what they did they do? Well, history already has that answer and I know you know it.

It blows my mind that the latter is even asked for after all that.

Thats my very point , thnx for pointing out ( even if you wanted to prove otherwise ) ... Its time for Nintendo to UNSTUCK from that old ideology , fit to present and follow new era like everyone else or else another Wii U is coming ( sales wise ).

N64 IP exclusives ? whats that ? New word ? Oh i see what you doing , you calling the 3D versions of 2D new IPs ! Like Playstation didnt have some of the greatest as well like FF7 or GTA 3 and many more... Anyways thats irrelevant to my point...

My point is Sony tries every single time. Bloodborne , Horizon is close and Last Guardian as well. What did you play with Wii U as new AAA caliber IP and why Wii U is dying after 3 years ? Because people beg for more ? If someone is butthurt with the truth is you guys , not me. Nintendo needs deliver , with one way or another , its literally their last chance.

@AzatiS: I dont think you understand mate, Sony dont like creating new IPs, they do it cause they have to, Sony wants iconic games like Nintendo.

Orge Battle 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo Koozie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Jet Force Gemini, Super Smash Bros, Blast Corps, 1080 Snowboarding, Wipe Out 64, Wave Race 64, Killer Instinct, Turok,

I played Splatoon, Zombie U and The Wonderful 101 on Wii U. Its not dying mate, its sales are increasing.

No you are the ones you dont understand. If Nintendo wont deliver with NX what gamers , ASIDE die hard fans like you , really want ( and Wii U clearly showed that Mario and Kart and Smash and Zelda wont save the day ) they might really end up a 3rd party developer.

Everyone would love to have iconic games like Mario , one of the most recognized icons in video gaming industry. That alone though didnt save Wii U , did it ? Because with your logic every single Nintendo console since N64 should have been a success just by icons ... which aside Wii which sold so well for entirely other reasons than games and icons , i dont see too much of a success.

Anyways , time will tell. Nintendo can do it but they need to get serious this time ... mario/zelda alone with all the spin offs is not enough.

@AzatiS: Thats cause people would rather have Sports games, GTA, and CoD. Has nothing to do with Sony games mate. No developer sells more games then Nintendo, this is fact bro. People love Nintendo games, look at the sales figures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_U_video_games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_3DS_video_games

Now show me your top selling exclusives.

If they had 3rd party this could truly be more like the GC gen with lots of amazing creative and hardcore games on Nintendo, the hardware sales to Sony, and Xbox doing their thing as well.

When metroid prime was released the visuals were impressive and the game was amazing.

Sega as a 3rd party has only gone down hill. Their top game was released in Japan in July 2012 on pc and it has been slowly released on other platforms, vita, android, ps4 next year and there is still no sight of PSO2 coming to the USA. They simply aren't able to pull themselves together.

Doesnt matter what people would rather have irrelevant with my point ... Sony every single generation tries for something new , something different , on different genres ... many games failing others becoming hits but always keeping you interested. BLooborne , Horizon and Last Guardian for now , all 3 aiming for AAA means AAA caliber NEW IP games.

You change subject again ... from NEW IPs back to best selling Wii U video games ... Then let me ask you something to understand the point. Did those best selling Wii U video games saved Wii U from being 1 foot in graveyard ? Did those best selling Wii games saved Wii from letting 100million fanbase with literally no games when the dead last ( PS3 ) was keep going ? Did those best selling GC games saved GC from lackster sales and premature death ? HELL , did N64 best selling games helped N64 to not lose the war from a newcomer in a massacre style ?

You see , top selling games sometimes are not enough. In N64 era , it was enough for Nintendo to make huge profits and support its system for longer etc ... After that ? Not even Wii could manage to survive with its amazing sales ... You get the grip ? Nintendo should deliver or youll end up playing mario and Zelda on Playstation.