Wow, Diablo 3 is really dumbed down

Finished playing the beta and it just confirmed every fears I had about this game. Game is so streamlined and feels dull. 4 player max, dedicated portals, no pvp, non-existent skill trees, cluttered UI and COD-like reward messages splattering all over the screen, etc. Everything looks cartoonish, lacks detail, and technically outdated. It even animates like a cartoon, in a bad way. This looks like something that could've been built on the warcraft 3 engine and released back in 2003. Worse is that there is no dark forboding atmosphere, let alone any. Gameplay is quite mechnical and it just keeps throwing you a mundane list of things to do. Can't believe it took them 12 years to make this.

Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

diablo never had depth.. its a hack & slash. if a hack & slash has depth to it anywhere. its how deep the cardboard box of the CE is XD

No one expected any depth in Diablo 3.

1. Kill monsters.

2. Collect loot.

3. Equip better gear when monsters get too hard.

4. Repeat.

That's the whole game

Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

XaosII

Hey, TC. The game was dumbed down for consoles.

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Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

caughtjoo

Easily. Both Diablo games are fillled with annoying, outdated, frustrating, and stupid mechanics. D3 fixes nearly all of them.

Yep cause the BETA and starting area is going to be really hard and confusing for newcomers..the difficulty is average and the game gets harder down the track.

I heard that the skill points are automated, I understand why they would want to do that in an "appeal-to-the-masses" sort of way but personally I'm not too fond of that. :( Hopefully Grim Dawn will be more hardcore.tagyhag

Why? The skill point system in Diablo 2 sucked? Every class had the exact same distribution: Just the minimum Str amd Dex to equip end-tier gear and the rest is dumped into Vit. Hell, even the Sorceress was the same - you didnt need to spend a single poitn into upping magic. There wasnt any customization; only the illusion of customization.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]I heard that the skill points are automated, I understand why they would want to do that in an "appeal-to-the-masses" sort of way but personally I'm not too fond of that. :( Hopefully Grim Dawn will be more hardcore.XaosII

Why? The skill point system in Diablo 2 sucked? Every class had the exact same distribution: Just the minimum Str amd Dex to equip end-tier gear and the rest is dumped into Vit. Hell, even the Sorceress was the same - you didnt need to spend a single poitn into upping magic. There wasnt any customization; only the illusion of customization.

The option was still there, you could do whatever you wanted with your character. I know some people like hand holding but I personally don't. tagyhag

Que? There were only two options: Distribute stats EXACTLY as i described them, or have a less than optimal character. There was no point in distributing stats in any other manner.

Wheres the element of "fun" in that? It has nothing to do with hand holding. Any player would just read up on a guide.

Didn't think it'd be able to match wits with the Soul series games. Oh well. Better luck next gen.ispeakfact

What the hell do you expect from a Diablo game lol? They are about as brainless as a game can get.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] The option was still there, you could do whatever you wanted with your character. I know some people like hand holding but I personally don't. XaosII

Que? There were only two options: Distribute stats EXACTLY as i described them, or have a less than optimal character. There was no point in distributing stats in any other manner.

Wheres the element of "fun" in that? It has nothing to do with hand holding. Any player would just read up on a guide.

Does clicking on the left-mouse button still cause demons to die?

Yes?

Then the game's fine.

Who cares? Torchlight 2 is going to rock Diablo's world anyway.

You played the beta.

Beta only had normal

Still 3 difficulties to go.

Didn't think it'd be able to match wits with the Soul series games. Oh well. Better luck next gen.ispeakfact

This is one of the single, stupidest comments posted on SW in a long time. Congratulations.

Yep, worst Diablo game in the series. It is way too casual, I mean way to casual. Which I am pretty sure is what

the OP was trying to say, he didn't say anything about depth.

Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game.

XaosII

Wow wow wow. Lets atleast wait till it's out before making such claims.

I never had faith in this game since the day Blizzard made announcement that Diablo3 is still gonna be a 2D plate adventure as the latest entry., still tried to give it a chance and had my hands on the beta 2 month ago and I absolutely despite Blizzard. just looking at the graphic make me vomiting, shade model 2.0 graphic with oil painting texture are at the PS2's lvl at best. a decade of work just for this crap? (SC2 is no different) played through graveyard as barbarian, and I can't take this anymore, it's not gaming, it's a torturing, a more painful one than TW2.

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Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game.

Master_ShakeXXX

Wow wow wow. Lets atleast wait till it's out before making such claims.

Why? Diablo 1 is slow and boring. Diablo 2 is full of pointless, oudated, frustrating, and stupid mechanics.

I heard that the skill points are automated, I understand why they would want to do that in an "appeal-to-the-masses" sort of way but personally I'm not too fond of that. :( Hopefully Grim Dawn will be more hardcore.tagyhag

I'm usually all for cutting down on cruft and streamlining, but yeah, it really sucks the life out of the game. It'll probably pay off in the mid-late game when you have enough skills/runes unlocked to get some worthwhile customization without worrying about how you pumped 10 too many points into dex or some useless early-game skill, but it makes the beginning a total grind.

Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

XaosII

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Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

Krelian-co

I'd like to disagree and raise you a stfu.

Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

XaosII

For one the atmosphere is completly different and destroyed with this new art style

So, there is at least one thing that makes it vastly worst than Diablo 1-2 and which is not debatable at all too

Didn't think it'd be able to match wits with the Soul series games. Oh well. Better luck next gen.ispeakfact

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Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

loosingENDS

For one the atmosphere is completly different and destroyed with this new art style

So, there is at least one thing that makes it vastly worst than Diablo 1-2 and which is not debatable at all too

Nope. The artstyle in D3 is far superior to that of the first two games. Sure, they were "darker" but they also lacked incredible amounts of detail. Most scenes in the first two games were either incrediably bright (i.e. outside on the desert in D2 is bsuper bright) or had so much black as to have little more than amorphous blobs of detailess black.

D3 hits a pretty good sweet spot between strong accent lighting, and darkness without drowning out the detail.

the beta has been out for ages

slowpoke, this wasnt news 6 months ago, it isnt news now

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Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game. Theres nothing dumbed down about it.

XaosII

For one the atmosphere is completly different and destroyed with this new art style

So, there is at least one thing that makes it vastly worst than Diablo 1-2 and which is not debatable at all too

Nope. The artstyle in D3 is far superior to that of the first two games. Sure, they were "darker" but they also lacked incredible amounts of detail. Most scenes in the first two games were either incrediably bright (i.e. outside on the desert in D2 is bsuper bright) or had so much black as to have little more than amorphous blobs of detailess black.

D3 hits a pretty good sweet spot between strong accent lighting, and darkness without drowning out the detail.

I dislike that they removed the demonic symbolism so the soccer moms won't get mad. It added atmosphere to the games.

I thought diablo 3 had difficulty setting where if you died you would lose all progress and the character.

I thought diablo 3 had difficulty setting where if you died you would lose all progress and the character.

Nohtnym

That is called Harcore character and will be there in Retail version...

The game seems OK. It's certainly worth playing through at least once, though I find it hard to justify paying full price, if you don't intend to do MP or the higher difficulties.

The art style was better than I expected, but not as good as it could have been. Having auto stats/skills is a bit disturbing - it didn't seem I had any control over the level up process (am I missing something?). And the inability to switch quickly between the mouse skills is also a flaw in my view.

That is called Harcore character and will be there in Retail version...aroxx_ab

the beta has been out for ages

slowpoke, this wasnt news 6 months ago, it isnt news now

HaloinventedFPS

For one the atmosphere is completly different and destroyed with this new art style

So, there is at least one thing that makes it vastly worst than Diablo 1-2 and which is not debatable at all too

loosingENDS

I don't get the crying about the artstyle, the game's damn pretty, not cartoony, but somewhat painted looking. It's like people want Doom3 in an isometric perspective, that they'll then cry about how dark it is and how it has no attempt at an art styleInconsistancy

Remember, these are console gamers you're talking to. Getting color in their grey and brown is a shock to them. They think it looks bad because they aren't used to these colors they're seeing.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] I don't get the crying about the artstyle, the game's damn pretty, not cartoony, but somewhat painted looking. It's like people want Doom3 in an isometric perspective, that they'll then cry about how dark it is and how it has no attempt at an art styleChubbyGuy40

Remember, these are console gamers you're talking to. Getting color in their grey and brown is a shock to them. They think it looks bad because they aren't used to these colors they're seeing.

looks at nintendo games.

yup.

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Nope. Diablo 3 is easily the best Diablo game.

XaosII

Wow wow wow. Lets atleast wait till it's out before making such claims.

Why? Diablo 1 is slow and boring. Diablo 2 is full of pointless, oudated, frustrating, and stupid mechanics.

Well, I've never played a Diablo game (due to a game breaking visual artifact in the demos which stopped me from buying the game), but I really liked the Beta. I played through it with my friend and had lots of fun.

I agree that the skill tree (if you can even call it that) isn't very good, but it isn't going to stop people from liking the gameplay.

The atmosphere was amazing as well. Makes me want to play the first games.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] I don't get the crying about the artstyle, the game's damn pretty, not cartoony, but somewhat painted looking. It's like people want Doom3 in an isometric perspective, that they'll then cry about how dark it is and how it has no attempt at an art styleChubbyGuy40

Remember, these are console gamers you're talking to. Getting color in their grey and brown is a shock to them. They think it looks bad because they aren't used to these colors they're seeing.

Uhhh? The outcry over the art direction came from PC gamers, and specifically, D2 players.

Graphics really suck, there is no colors

Had to put gamma on maximum, that helped a bit but it still looks way too dark

Graphics really suck, there is no colors

Had to put gamma on maximum, that helped a bit but it still looks way too dark

Zurrur

Oh i thought all haters said the opposite :v

Few SW-trolls will not stop this game to sell millions and be one of the best selling game :P

As a looooong timr D2 player, I agree with EVERY WORD TC said. I'd rather go back to running around with my Godly Hammerdin looking for high runes than play D3.

One more negative: the game is super taxing on the CPU. I have a quad-core OC's to 3.8Gz and it uses up to 70% of it at some points, causing the game to noticably slow down. Granted, I'm playing at 25x16 with everything on High but still, I get better performance from FPSers!

D2 is probably my favorite PC game of all time, maybe WarCraft3 depending on my mood. Fallout 1 and 2 were great but don't have the replay value of the Blizzard titles. Diablo 3 just breaks my heart for all the reasons TC said - spot on.

RIP Blizzard