Wow. Do people honestly expect ps4 to be stronger than 720?

Oh, I know PS4 will be stronger than 720. My Uncle's Father's Niece's Nephew's Sister has a cousin who works at Sony, and she said her cousin heard a rumor from Kaz Hirai that they are working with Microsoft to ensure that PS4 will be stronger than 720.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Flopza 4 came out in October so it would still be over a year since Halo 4 comes out in November. Are you really falling back on Arcade titles that don't even count on SW to justify MS's lack of exclusives? Why can't you just admit that MS has abandoned the core gamer and they think its acceptable to put out droves of Halo/Gears/Forza every year to trick the Lemmings into thinking their $60/year for XBL is justified.

BPoole96

Those games sold fine. Not every game has to sell multi millions of copies in order to be successful. They don't have super high budgets like other games and they provide PS3 gamers with more variety. 360 does not have a single game like Starhawk or Twisted Metal. MS only wants high budget MP games that they can churn out every year to milk their userbase.

While MS is giving its fans deja vu with the Halo/Gears/Forza milkfest, Sony is providing its fans with numerous amounts of variety in all sorts of genres.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Forza 4 was made by Turn 10 and why does it matter if Trials is downloadable? Its a great game with more replayability than most retail games. But I guess cows have to dismiss those cause they make PS3 look bad.JohnnyCageMK

If you can only think of a downloadable title and one game released last year to use against cows saying Xbox has no games, then you should probably go somewhere you won't get owned in by anyone with a grasp on basic match and objective critical analysis on games.

Well you couldn't even name anything good from last year, and regardless of whatever games I list of course somehow they won't meet this invisible fanboy standard you would put up to ensure that Twisted Metal, Starhawk and Journey (despite being highly reviewed) would all somehow not meet these standards.

You know, even though that's still 3 more exclusives then Microsoft has released all year so far. I could also reach back into 2011 like you did, and of course it wouldn't be hard for me to list more highly rated exclusives from that year then 2011 and this year for Xbox combined.

I don't hate Xbox, they have a plan and they stick to it, but fanboys need to stop pretending they are gods for turning everything Kinect and giving the usual Halo/Gears/Forza every year without risks or new attempts at quality IP. Its insulting to gamers, especially since they only get such defense because of Xbox fanboys (you don't see Activision or EA having their own defense brigade, but if they had their own consoles full of 12 year olds who can't afford other consoles they certainly would).

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

If you can only think of a downloadable title and one game released last year to use against cows saying Xbox has no games, then you should probably go somewhere you won't get owned in by anyone with a grasp on basic match and objective critical analysis on games.

Nanomage

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] So would you rather MS release games like Twisted Metal and Starhawk that are dead on arrival? Would that really make a difference?JohnnyCageMK

Those games sold fine. Not every game has to sell multi millions of copies in order to be successful. They don't have super high budgets like other games and they provide PS3 gamers with more variety. 360 does not have a single game like Starhawk or Twisted Metal. MS only wants high budget MP games that they can churn out every year to milk their userbase.

While MS is giving its fans deja vu with the Halo/Gears/Forza milkfest, Sony is providing its fans with numerous amounts of variety in all sorts of genres.

Umm, actually, recent studies have shown that CoD sells more on $$$$$$box 360, and cows are 20% more likely to buy refreshing indie experiences than lemming are because cow minds are already geared and nurtured by awe-inspiring experiences such as Journey.

Ms have a lot of $, but I believe their plans are different from a hardcore consoleolart4618

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

If you can only think of a downloadable title and one game released last year to use against cows saying Xbox has no games, then you should probably go somewhere you won't get owned in by anyone with a grasp on basic match and objective critical analysis on games.

SPYDER0416

Well you couldn't even name anything good from last year, and regardless of whatever games I list of course somehow they won't meet this invisible fanboy standard you would put up to ensure that Twisted Metal, Starhawk and Journey (despite being highly reviewed) would all somehow not meet these standards.

You know, even though that's still 3 more exclusives then Microsoft has released all year so far. I could also reach back into 2011 like you did, and of course it wouldn't be hard for me to list more highly rated exclusives from that year then 2011 and this year for Xbox combined.

I don't hate Xbox, they have a plan and they stick to it, but fanboys need to stop pretending they are gods for turning everything Kinect and giving the usual Halo/Gears/Forza every year without risks or new attempts at quality IP. Its insulting to gamers, especially since they only get such defense because of Xbox fanboys (you don't see Activision or EA having their own defense brigade, but if they had their own consoles full of 12 year olds who can't afford other consoles they certainly would).

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Those games sold fine. Not every game has to sell multi millions of copies in order to be successful. They don't have super high budgets like other games and they provide PS3 gamers with more variety. 360 does not have a single game like Starhawk or Twisted Metal. MS only wants high budget MP games that they can churn out every year to milk their userbase.

While MS is giving its fans deja vu with the Halo/Gears/Forza milkfest, Sony is providing its fans with numerous amounts of variety in all sorts of genres.

XVision84

Umm, actually, recent studies have shown that CoD sells more on $$$$$$box 360, and cows are 20% more likely to buy refreshing indie experiences than lemming are because cow minds are already geared and nurtured by awe-inspiring experiences such as Journey.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] No they sold like crap and I've heard Twisted Metal is completely dead online. Starhawk is already being marked down to $30 at places like Target cause its not selling. Sonys fanbase wants CoD, GTA, Final Fantasy, MGS, GoW, Gran Turismo and Naughty Dog games. They don't buy anything else.JohnnyCageMK

Umm, actually, recent studies have shown that CoD sells more on $$$$$$box 360, and cows are 20% more likely to buy refreshing indie experiences than lemming are because cow minds are already geared and nurtured by awe-inspiring experiences such as Journey.

Nope. Gran Turismo 5 sold more.

That's assuming that MS will even TRY to make a strong console.

The money isn't in power and they know it.

With 720 I'm expecting alot of Kinect, alot of gimmicks and alot of milkage, sort of like Nintendo.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Name something good on PS3 this year then. Something that people actually care about.JohnnyCageMK

Well you couldn't even name anything good from last year, and regardless of whatever games I list of course somehow they won't meet this invisible fanboy standard you would put up to ensure that Twisted Metal, Starhawk and Journey (despite being highly reviewed) would all somehow not meet these standards.

You know, even though that's still 3 more exclusives then Microsoft has released all year so far. I could also reach back into 2011 like you did, and of course it wouldn't be hard for me to list more highly rated exclusives from that year then 2011 and this year for Xbox combined.

I don't hate Xbox, they have a plan and they stick to it, but fanboys need to stop pretending they are gods for turning everything Kinect and giving the usual Halo/Gears/Forza every year without risks or new attempts at quality IP. Its insulting to gamers, especially since they only get such defense because of Xbox fanboys (you don't see Activision or EA having their own defense brigade, but if they had their own consoles full of 12 year olds who can't afford other consoles they certainly would).

Look, if you can't take off your fanboy goggles to smell your own desperation in trying to refute the various people proving you wrong, its as pointless as arguing with a brick wall. If you have to list the remake of a 10 year old game and a moderately well recieved Kinect dancing title, you are trying too hard. If you have to count Trials, then immediately say downloadables don't count when someone brings up Journey, you are trying too hard. If you also ignore that you mentioned games from specifically this year, then you list games from last year to beat the 3 I listed, then you are trying too hard and probably need to understand that what you are saying is illogical and stupid.

If I wanted to list last year's PS3 titles I could go ahead and bring up Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, inFamous 2, Ico collection, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Ratchet and Clank: All for one, Pixeljunk Shooter 2 and SOCOM 4.

But of course, in some sad attempt to refute me I'll hear some excuse on why these varying high scoring exclusive titles apparently do not beat the 4 games you listed. The sad truth is, I'm not even a cow and I do love Halo and Gears of War, I just am not stupid enough to pretend Microsoft isn't pushing Kinect and multimedia more then exclusives, nor am I a 12 year old that only owns an Xbox 360 and has to insult other systems with varying degrees of stupid logic just to make myself feel better. The same apparently cannot be said of you, and its sad to think people are actually this way without a hint of self awareness.

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Well you couldn't even name anything good from last year, and regardless of whatever games I list of course somehow they won't meet this invisible fanboy standard you would put up to ensure that Twisted Metal, Starhawk and Journey (despite being highly reviewed) would all somehow not meet these standards.

You know, even though that's still 3 more exclusives then Microsoft has released all year so far. I could also reach back into 2011 like you did, and of course it wouldn't be hard for me to list more highly rated exclusives from that year then 2011 and this year for Xbox combined.

I don't hate Xbox, they have a plan and they stick to it, but fanboys need to stop pretending they are gods for turning everything Kinect and giving the usual Halo/Gears/Forza every year without risks or new attempts at quality IP. Its insulting to gamers, especially since they only get such defense because of Xbox fanboys (you don't see Activision or EA having their own defense brigade, but if they had their own consoles full of 12 year olds who can't afford other consoles they certainly would).

SPYDER0416

Look, if you can't take off your fanboy goggles to smell your own desperation in trying to refute the various people proving you wrong, its as pointless as arguing with a brick wall. If you have to list the remake of a 10 year old game and a moderately well recieved Kinect dancing title, you are trying too hard. If you have to count Trials, then immediately say downloadables don't count when someone brings up Journey, you are trying too hard. If you also ignore that you mentioned games from specifically this year, then you list games from last year to beat the 3 I listed, then you are trying too hard and probably need to understand that what you are saying is illogical and stupid.

If I wanted to list last year's PS3 titles I could go ahead and bring up Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, inFamous 2, Ico collection, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Ratchet and Clank: All for one, Pixeljunk Shooter 2 and SOCOM 4.

But of course, in some sad attempt to refute me I'll hear some excuse on why these varying high scoring exclusive titles apparently do not beat the 4 games you listed. The sad truth is, I'm not even a cow and I do love Halo and Gears of War, I just am not stupid enough to pretend Microsoft isn't pushing Kinect and multimedia more then exclusives, nor am I a 12 year old that only owns an Xbox 360 and has to insult other systems with varying degrees of stupid logic just to make myself feel better. The same apparently cannot be said of you, and its sad to think people are actually this way without a hint of self awareness.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Gears 3, Forza 4, Halo Anniversary (a real remake with added content), and Dance Central 2 all came out last year. All high quality exclusives that sold well. If you don't like them thats fine but 4 big exclusives in a year is good for any console. No thats not 3 more than MS. I already mentioned Trials Evolution but you dismissed that for some odd reason and then use a PSN game in your defense. Your inner cow is mooing. 360 also got Fez and even though its on PC Minecraft is a huge release for MS. It sold like hotcakes and the 360 version also has multiplayer. JohnnyCageMK

Look, if you can't take off your fanboy goggles to smell your own desperation in trying to refute the various people proving you wrong, its as pointless as arguing with a brick wall. If you have to list the remake of a 10 year old game and a moderately well recieved Kinect dancing title, you are trying too hard. If you have to count Trials, then immediately say downloadables don't count when someone brings up Journey, you are trying too hard. If you also ignore that you mentioned games from specifically this year, then you list games from last year to beat the 3 I listed, then you are trying too hard and probably need to understand that what you are saying is illogical and stupid.

If I wanted to list last year's PS3 titles I could go ahead and bring up Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, inFamous 2, Ico collection, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Ratchet and Clank: All for one, Pixeljunk Shooter 2 and SOCOM 4.

But of course, in some sad attempt to refute me I'll hear some excuse on why these varying high scoring exclusive titles apparently do not beat the 4 games you listed. The sad truth is, I'm not even a cow and I do love Halo and Gears of War, I just am not stupid enough to pretend Microsoft isn't pushing Kinect and multimedia more then exclusives, nor am I a 12 year old that only owns an Xbox 360 and has to insult other systems with varying degrees of stupid logic just to make myself feel better. The same apparently cannot be said of you, and its sad to think people are actually this way without a hint of self awareness.

you do know sony has more assets then microsoft and there assets are worth more then microsoft

i expect any grown adult to not be as retarded as you TC, yet here you are.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] So would you rather MS release games like Twisted Metal and Starhawk that are dead on arrival? Would that really make a difference?JohnnyCageMK

Those games sold fine. Not every game has to sell multi millions of copies in order to be successful. They don't have super high budgets like other games and they provide PS3 gamers with more variety. 360 does not have a single game like Starhawk or Twisted Metal. MS only wants high budget MP games that they can churn out every year to milk their userbase.

While MS is giving its fans deja vu with the Halo/Gears/Forza milkfest, Sony is providing its fans with numerous amounts of variety in all sorts of genres.

The variety is still there for those who desire it. Like I said before, those games probably have limited budgets and aren't really expected to sell millions and millions of copies since they are rather niche. MS would never publish a game like that because all they care about is $$$ and milking its userbase of brogamers and soccer moms dry. Sony actually provides a well rounded experience for all types of gamers that are interested in all types of genres

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Gears 3, Forza 4, Halo Anniversary (a real remake with added content), and Dance Central 2 all came out last year. All high quality exclusives that sold well. If you don't like them thats fine but 4 big exclusives in a year is good for any console. No thats not 3 more than MS. I already mentioned Trials Evolution but you dismissed that for some odd reason and then use a PSN game in your defense. Your inner cow is mooing. 360 also got Fez and even though its on PC Minecraft is a huge release for MS. It sold like hotcakes and the 360 version also has multiplayer. JohnnyCageMK

Look, if you can't take off your fanboy goggles to smell your own desperation in trying to refute the various people proving you wrong, its as pointless as arguing with a brick wall. If you have to list the remake of a 10 year old game and a moderately well recieved Kinect dancing title, you are trying too hard. If you have to count Trials, then immediately say downloadables don't count when someone brings up Journey, you are trying too hard. If you also ignore that you mentioned games from specifically this year, then you list games from last year to beat the 3 I listed, then you are trying too hard and probably need to understand that what you are saying is illogical and stupid.

If I wanted to list last year's PS3 titles I could go ahead and bring up Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, inFamous 2, Ico collection, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Ratchet and Clank: All for one, Pixeljunk Shooter 2 and SOCOM 4.

But of course, in some sad attempt to refute me I'll hear some excuse on why these varying high scoring exclusive titles apparently do not beat the 4 games you listed. The sad truth is, I'm not even a cow and I do love Halo and Gears of War, I just am not stupid enough to pretend Microsoft isn't pushing Kinect and multimedia more then exclusives, nor am I a 12 year old that only owns an Xbox 360 and has to insult other systems with varying degrees of stupid logic just to make myself feel better. The same apparently cannot be said of you, and its sad to think people are actually this way without a hint of self awareness.

Wow, its like you can't even read what you said. You can't refute the validity of my rebuttal, so you call me a cow and make up some standard that invalidates these games (that by the way, have scored high and still outnumber the amount of exclusives you've given me). You say nobody cares, and yet people cared enough to give them good scores, to take a risk on them, and if you can't see the irony of saying nobody cares about these games, then touting Dance Central 2 as some prime offering for the hardcore Xbox audience (all while saying I apparently can't dance), then you really are a sad individual.

If I'm a fanboy just because I'm not stupid and devoted to a single console over reason, or basic math then I guess everyone is a fanboy but you. But hey, if you want to argue your already disproven stupid points against every member of SW refuting them, and call every one of us cows, then I guess you are free to do so. I don't see the point, its like everyone here teaching you the earth is round with scientific proof and you refuting it in the face of logic for some made up fanboy reason.

By the way, if you want to go ahead and remove HD collections and downloadables, that still doesn't prove me wrong in numbers and scores of the games I've presented against yours:cool:

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Look, if you can't take off your fanboy goggles to smell your own desperation in trying to refute the various people proving you wrong, its as pointless as arguing with a brick wall. If you have to list the remake of a 10 year old game and a moderately well recieved Kinect dancing title, you are trying too hard. If you have to count Trials, then immediately say downloadables don't count when someone brings up Journey, you are trying too hard. If you also ignore that you mentioned games from specifically this year, then you list games from last year to beat the 3 I listed, then you are trying too hard and probably need to understand that what you are saying is illogical and stupid.

If I wanted to list last year's PS3 titles I could go ahead and bring up Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, inFamous 2, Ico collection, LittleBigPlanet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Ratchet and Clank: All for one, Pixeljunk Shooter 2 and SOCOM 4.

But of course, in some sad attempt to refute me I'll hear some excuse on why these varying high scoring exclusive titles apparently do not beat the 4 games you listed. The sad truth is, I'm not even a cow and I do love Halo and Gears of War, I just am not stupid enough to pretend Microsoft isn't pushing Kinect and multimedia more then exclusives, nor am I a 12 year old that only owns an Xbox 360 and has to insult other systems with varying degrees of stupid logic just to make myself feel better. The same apparently cannot be said of you, and its sad to think people are actually this way without a hint of self awareness.

SPYDER0416

Wow, its like you can't even read what you said. You can't refute the validity of my rebuttal, so you call me a cow and make up some standard that invalidates these games (that by the way, have scored high and still outnumber the amount of exclusives you've given me). You say nobody cares, and yet people cared enough to give them good scores, to take a risk on them, and if you can't see the irony of saying nobody cares about these games, then touting Dance Central 2 as some prime offering for the hardcore Xbox audience (all while saying I apparently can't dance), then you really are a sad individual.

If I'm a fanboy just because I'm not stupid and devoted to a single console over reason, or basic math then I guess everyone is a fanboy but you. But hey, if you want to argue your already disproven stupid points against every member of SW refuting them, and call every one of us cows, then I guess you are free to do so. I don't see the point, its like everyone here teaching you the earth is round with scientific proof and you refuting it in the face of logic for some made up fanboy reason.

By the way, if you want to go ahead and remove HD collections and downloadables, that still doesn't prove me wrong in numbers and scores of the games I've presented against yours:cool:

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Those games sold fine. Not every game has to sell multi millions of copies in order to be successful. They don't have super high budgets like other games and they provide PS3 gamers with more variety. 360 does not have a single game like Starhawk or Twisted Metal. MS only wants high budget MP games that they can churn out every year to milk their userbase.

While MS is giving its fans deja vu with the Halo/Gears/Forza milkfest, Sony is providing its fans with numerous amounts of variety in all sorts of genres.

BPoole96

The variety is still there for those who desire it. Like I said before, those games probably have limited budgets and aren't really expected to sell millions and millions of copies since they are rather niche. MS would never publish a game like that because all they care about is $$$ and milking its userbase of brogamers and soccer moms dry. Sony actually provides a well rounded experience for all types of gamers that are interested in all types of genres

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Atleast I'm not the one pretending not to be a fanboy. Everyone can see you're a cow cause you are trying so hard to defend PS3 its pathetic. You dismiss Halo Anniversary which is a real remake with added content and a new engine and then bring up a PS3 hd collection. You hate on DC2 cause I guess you can't dance and then you mention Socom 4, Motorstorm, Resistance 3 and Pixeljunk(? never heard of it). Nobody cares about that crap. And I didn't start dismissing DD games you did. I guess cause Trials and Minecraft ain't on PS3 and took a big crap on anything PS3 got this year.JohnnyCageMK

Wow, its like you can't even read what you said. You can't refute the validity of my rebuttal, so you call me a cow and make up some standard that invalidates these games (that by the way, have scored high and still outnumber the amount of exclusives you've given me). You say nobody cares, and yet people cared enough to give them good scores, to take a risk on them, and if you can't see the irony of saying nobody cares about these games, then touting Dance Central 2 as some prime offering for the hardcore Xbox audience (all while saying I apparently can't dance), then you really are a sad individual.

If I'm a fanboy just because I'm not stupid and devoted to a single console over reason, or basic math then I guess everyone is a fanboy but you. But hey, if you want to argue your already disproven stupid points against every member of SW refuting them, and call every one of us cows, then I guess you are free to do so. I don't see the point, its like everyone here teaching you the earth is round with scientific proof and you refuting it in the face of logic for some made up fanboy reason.

By the way, if you want to go ahead and remove HD collections and downloadables, that still doesn't prove me wrong in numbers and scores of the games I've presented against yours:cool:

Does quantity over quality refer to the scores these games have got? Because in that case you are still wrong if you want to go ahead and butt Journey against Trials or Uncharted 3 against Gears of War 3, and it doesn't lower the scores of the games I've listed, nor do I magically turn into a PS3 worshipping fanboy just because you happen to be a 360 worshipping fanboy and I'm disproving every stupid thing you say.

Even if those games only slightly outscore 360 exclusive titles, its still hilarious that somehow you can ignore those and pretend you can still use "quality over quantity", even if you are 100% objectively wrong here as well.:cool: But hey if sales mean the game is better, then Gran Turismo 5 must be miles ahead of Gears of War 3 considering it sold 2 million more units then Gears 3, right? Or even Gears of War 2, which released in 2008 (1 million gap with GT5 ahead of it in sales).

Honestly, at this point you can only embarrass yourself more, and literally nothing I've even said is my own opinion or some contradictory fanboy statement. I'm just stating legitimate facts, not fanboy "ispeakfact" facts that are pulled from my ass or using some imaginary standard in favor of the PS3, but actual facts in sales, scores and quantity. If you can't just be happy with what you own and have to try (and fail) to somehow show your system is better then other people's systems, then you should reevaluate your life dude.

Of course I could use the Wii and show you its scores and sales over Xbox, but then I guess that would make me a sheep.

Their is a extermely small chance that both consoles will end up being barely stronger then the WiiU or equal to it.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Wow, its like you can't even read what you said. You can't refute the validity of my rebuttal, so you call me a cow and make up some standard that invalidates these games (that by the way, have scored high and still outnumber the amount of exclusives you've given me). You say nobody cares, and yet people cared enough to give them good scores, to take a risk on them, and if you can't see the irony of saying nobody cares about these games, then touting Dance Central 2 as some prime offering for the hardcore Xbox audience (all while saying I apparently can't dance), then you really are a sad individual.

If I'm a fanboy just because I'm not stupid and devoted to a single console over reason, or basic math then I guess everyone is a fanboy but you. But hey, if you want to argue your already disproven stupid points against every member of SW refuting them, and call every one of us cows, then I guess you are free to do so. I don't see the point, its like everyone here teaching you the earth is round with scientific proof and you refuting it in the face of logic for some made up fanboy reason.

By the way, if you want to go ahead and remove HD collections and downloadables, that still doesn't prove me wrong in numbers and scores of the games I've presented against yours:cool:

SPYDER0416

Does quantity over quality refer to the scores these games have got? Because in that case you are still wrong if you want to go ahead and butt Journey against Trials or Uncharted 3 against Gears of War 3, and it doesn't lower the scores of the games I've listed, nor do I magically turn into a PS3 worshipping fanboy just because you happen to be a 360 worshipping fanboy and I'm disproving every stupid thing you say.

Even if those games only slightly outscore 360 exclusive titles, its still hilarious that somehow you can ignore those and pretend you can still use "quality over quantity", even if you are 100% objectively wrong here as well.:cool: But hey if sales mean the game is better, then Gran Turismo 5 must be miles ahead of Gears of War 3 considering it sold 2 million more units then Gears 3, right? Or even Gears of War 2, which released in 2008 (1 million gap with GT5 ahead of it in sales).

Honestly, at this point you can only embarrass yourself more, and literally nothing I've even said is my own opinion or some contradictory fanboy statement. I'm just stating legitimate facts, not fanboy "ispeakfact" facts that are pulled from my ass or using some imaginary standard in favor of the PS3, but actual facts in sales, scores and quantity. If you can't just be happy with what you own and have to try (and fail) to somehow show your system is better then other people's systems, then you should reevaluate your life dude.

Of course I could use the Wii and show you its scores and sales over Xbox, but then I guess that would make me a sheep.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Another cow that wants quantity over quality. Your point is the entire reason Sony screwed up so bad this gen. They are more worried about pumping out irrelevant exclusive after irrelevant exclusive and they don't advertise most of them. MS will keep making tons of money off Kinect, arcade games, and genre leading exclusive franchises and cows like you will keep crying over 360 not having flops like Twisted Metal and Starhawk. Your complaining over MS is not gonna change anything bro.JohnnyCageMK

Does quantity over quality refer to the scores these games have got? Because in that case you are still wrong if you want to go ahead and butt Journey against Trials or Uncharted 3 against Gears of War 3, and it doesn't lower the scores of the games I've listed, nor do I magically turn into a PS3 worshipping fanboy just because you happen to be a 360 worshipping fanboy and I'm disproving every stupid thing you say.

Even if those games only slightly outscore 360 exclusive titles, its still hilarious that somehow you can ignore those and pretend you can still use "quality over quantity", even if you are 100% objectively wrong here as well.:cool: But hey if sales mean the game is better, then Gran Turismo 5 must be miles ahead of Gears of War 3 considering it sold 2 million more units then Gears 3, right? Or even Gears of War 2, which released in 2008 (1 million gap with GT5 ahead of it in sales).

Honestly, at this point you can only embarrass yourself more, and literally nothing I've even said is my own opinion or some contradictory fanboy statement. I'm just stating legitimate facts, not fanboy "ispeakfact" facts that are pulled from my ass or using some imaginary standard in favor of the PS3, but actual facts in sales, scores and quantity. If you can't just be happy with what you own and have to try (and fail) to somehow show your system is better then other people's systems, then you should reevaluate your life dude.

Of course I could use the Wii and show you its scores and sales over Xbox, but then I guess that would make me a sheep.

Yes, when you lose a debate, just say you were trolling. Everyone will totally see that was what you were doing, and not that its an excuse to call me a cow and justify your various angry and poorly thought rebuttals in an argument everyone destroyed you in :cool:

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] No they sold like crap and I've heard Twisted Metal is completely dead online. Starhawk is already being marked down to $30 at places like Target cause its not selling. Sonys fanbase wants CoD, GTA, Final Fantasy, MGS, GoW, Gran Turismo and Naughty Dog games. They don't buy anything else.JohnnyCageMK

The variety is still there for those who desire it. Like I said before, those games probably have limited budgets and aren't really expected to sell millions and millions of copies since they are rather niche. MS would never publish a game like that because all they care about is $$$ and milking its userbase of brogamers and soccer moms dry. Sony actually provides a well rounded experience for all types of gamers that are interested in all types of genres

Sony believes in someting called "Business Ethics". Meaning they aren't going to exploit their fanbase and withold things from them unless they pay them money. MS/Sony both know that online MP is popular, Sony offers it for free for all its users to enjoy, MS locks it out unless you give them $60. You support these kinds of things and it is appaulling.

PS4 probably will not release before the 720. Maybe wait a year or 2. The same hardware in the 720 will be cheaper by then. Sony makes the ps4 cheaper with same hardware = garanteed gains.

In the meantime ps3 owners will continue to enjoy the awesome variety in exclusives for many years. You can enjoy your............kinect........?????

I hope they will both be about the same in power... and leave it to the game dev's to fight it out... oh yea i said it

This is Sony we are talking about, so PS4 will be better in both, the hardware and games.

I don't think the next Playstation or Xbox is going to be the OMG I CAN SEE THIS GUY'S NOSE HAIRS graphics people think they're going to be.LegatoSkyheart

To many people these days think that graphics and power are the only thing that matters these days. Gamers have become so narrow minded in the space of a few years that there expectations are just stupidly unrealistic.

Sony will probably invest in a pure console and charge for $400. If Sony is going to just make a console with no gimmicks then they can dump everything into power. Microsoft will probably do Kinect 2.0 built in. Therefore if they want to compete with Sony's price point they will need to lower their specs.

Idiots do.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]I don't think the next Playstation or Xbox is going to be the OMG I CAN SEE THIS GUY'S NOSE HAIRS graphics people think they're going to be.OhJayDubya

To many people these days think that graphics and power are the only thing that matters these days. Gamers have become so narrow minded in the space of a few years that there expectations are just stupidly unrealistic.

Its stupid to assume you understand a company from looking at them from the outside. We have no idea what Microsoft and Sony's next consoles will be.R3FURBISHED

There's really no arguing since if we go strictly by teh numbers....

720 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 :o :twisted:

i bet its going to be the HD twins part 2....where the games look the same on both systems.

KBFloYd

Really? Look at Sony's financial situation, there is no way they are going to risk a full on bankuptcy and go powerhouse at $400-$500 to just please a small minority of gamers. It is completely stupid to believe that, (unless you are a cow).

The 720 is set up to be the undoubted strngest console, and Microsoft has plenty of money to do so. If you believe ps4 will be stronger, you seriously need to either take off your fanboy goggles, or go to business school and learn a thing or two.

reach3

The PS4 will be stronger than the 720, a LOT stronger because it will come out a year or two later. I think the Wii U and 720 will be similar in power and the PS4 will be leaps above both.

I expect a good system that is all.TheGuardian03

Not worried if it will be more powerful, I'm worried Sony won't know what people want.

PS4 may repeat the same mistake again and go after media player or try and fight the ipod/ipad... who knows. I think what really worked for Microsoft is they knew how to take advantage of what people (especially America) wanted.

Really? Look at Sony's financial situation, there is no way they are going to risk a full on bankuptcy and go powerhouse at $400-$500 to just please a small minority of gamers. It is completely stupid to believe that, (unless you are a cow).

The 720 is set up to be the undoubted strngest console, and Microsoft has plenty of money to do so. If you believe ps4 will be stronger, you seriously need to either take off your fanboy goggles, or go to business school and learn a thing or two.

reach3

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So much MS hate on these forums that people choose to be delusional.

Sony does not have the money to compete with MS in the graphical arms race.

People will try to make excuses but that's the reality.

ispeakfact

If i'm micrsoft, I'm making a ton of money off the 360 without riskings millions on new IP's. Why bother

If i'm micrsoft, I'm making a ton of money off the 360 without riskings millions on new IP's. Why bother James161324