Wow. Do people honestly expect ps4 to be stronger than 720?

This is Sony we are talking about, so PS4 will be better in both, the hardware and games.

GamerwillzPS

Other than Vita, a Sony console was never better than the competition in hardware. What makes you think it would happen next gen?

Ms have a lot of $, but I believe their plans are different from a hardcore consoleolart4618

Pretty much this, that's why I'm going to wait and see if either system is going to be worth getting.

i bet its going to be the HD twins part 2....where the games look the same on both systems.

KBFloYd

Why do people care about graphics so much?

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

This is Sony we are talking about, so PS4 will be better in both, the hardware and games.

PAL360

Other than Vita, a Sony console was never better than the competition in hardware. What makes you think it would happen next gen?

i agree, as long as they get great games like the ps2 and ps1 which dominated the competition im ok

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

This is Sony we are talking about, so PS4 will be better in both, the hardware and games.

PAL360

Other than Vita, a Sony console was never better than the competition in hardware. What makes you think it would happen next gen?

So you think the 360 hardware is higher quality than PS3?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

This is Sony we are talking about, so PS4 will be better in both, the hardware and games.

GamerwillzPS

Other than Vita, a Sony console was never better than the competition in hardware. What makes you think it would happen next gen?

So you think the 360 hardware is higher quality than PS3?

My opinion about 360 and PS3 hardware.

reliability - PS3 > 360

design/balance - 360 > PS3

power - PS3 = 360

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Other than Vita, a Sony console was never better than the competition in hardware. What makes you think it would happen next gen?

PAL360

So you think the 360 hardware is higher quality than PS3?

My opinion about 360 and PS3 hardware.

reliability - PS3

design - 360

power - tie

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

So you think the 360 hardware is higher quality than PS3?

themajormayor

My opinion about 360 and PS3 hardware.

reliability - PS3

design - 360

power - tie

games and hardware specs.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

My opinion about 360 and PS3 hardware.

reliability - PS3

design - 360

power - tie

PAL360

games and hardware specs.

Its stupid to assume you understand a company from looking at them from the outside. We have no idea what Microsoft and Sony's next consoles will be.R3FURBISHED

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] What do you base the power on?themajormayor

games and hardware specs.

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

games and hardware specs.

PAL360

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

logic in SW is not allowed.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Tell me more about the hardware specsKrelian-co

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

logic in SW is not allowed.

Well, the myth about PS3 having more powerfull hardware still prevails. Since facts and loginc are not helping, i would need a good reason to believe on that.

Who cares? You're not getting a GTX 690, you're getting an AMD APU or a mid range PC GPU at best.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

games and hardware specs.

PAL360

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

Your whole argument is based on the flawed premise that differences are exactly equal in magnitude. The difference in CPU is bigger than the difference in GPU. And you are looking at it very black and white. Actually the PS3 GPU has many advantages like being at550MHz compared to the 500 MHz of the Xenos.

The PS3 RAM is better since it is faster.

It's true the drive is slower but installs take care of that problem.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

PAL360

logic in SW is not allowed.

Well, the myth about PS3 having more powerfull hardware still prevails. Since facts and loginc are not helping, i would need a good reason to believe on that.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

i bet its going to be the HD twins part 2....where the games look the same on both systems.

adamosmaki

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Tell me more about the hardware specsthemajormayor

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

Your whole argument is based on the flawed premise that differences are exactly equal in magnitude. The difference in CPU is bigger than the difference in GPU. And you are looking at it very black and white. Actually the PS3 GPU has many advantages like being at550MHz compared to the 500 MHz of the Xenos.

The PS3 RAM is better since it is faster.

It's true the drive is slower but installs take care of that problem.

But i agree that PS3 is slightly more powerfull than 360....on paper. In practice, its lack of balance, makes it impossible to take full advantage of...the cell, for example.

360 has a better designed hardware. With time and talent, devs can take full advantage of everything, and reach the same results faster, port game from PC faster, etc

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Im going to put it simple:

CPU: PS3 > 360

GPU: 360 > PS3

Ram: 360 = PS3 (360 also have 10mb of edram).

Format - Bluray discs are better in content but the drive is slower.

Its pretty obvious that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

PAL360

Your whole argument is based on the flawed premise that differences are exactly equal in magnitude. The difference in CPU is bigger than the difference in GPU. And you are looking at it very black and white. Actually the PS3 GPU has many advantages like being at550MHz compared to the 500 MHz of the Xenos.

The PS3 RAM is better since it is faster.

It's true the drive is slower but installs take care of that problem.

But i agree that PS3 is slightly more powerfull than 360....on paper. In practice, its lack of balance, makes it impossible to take full advantage of...the cell, for example.

360 has a better designed hardware. With time and talent, devs can take full advantage of everything, and reach the same results faster, port game from PC faster, etc

Yeah you can take advantage of the 360 faster. But with more time and knowledge everything will look better on PS3. Because more powerful hardware.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Your whole argument is based on the flawed premise that differences are exactly equal in magnitude. The difference in CPU is bigger than the difference in GPU. And you are looking at it very black and white. Actually the PS3 GPU has many advantages like being at550MHz compared to the 500 MHz of the Xenos.

The PS3 RAM is better since it is faster.

It's true the drive is slower but installs take care of that problem.

themajormayor

But i agree that PS3 is slightly more powerfull than 360....on paper. In practice, its lack of balance, makes it impossible to take full advantage of...the cell, for example.

360 has a better designed hardware. With time and talent, devs can take full advantage of everything, and reach the same results faster, port game from PC faster, etc

Yeah you can take advantage of the 360 faster. But with more time and knowledge everything will look better on PS3. Because more powerful hardware.

The question is, will a game ever take full advantage of that theoretical extra power?

We are 7 years into this gen and i have yet to see any difference between 360 and PS3 graphics. Both consoles have some beautiful exclusives, multiplats still look the same., even the best looking ones...

Wow. Do reach3 honestly expect 720 to be stronger than PS4?MonsieurX

:P

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

But i agree that PS3 is slightly more powerfull than 360....on paper. In practice, its lack of balance, makes it impossible to take full advantage of...the cell, for example.

360 has a better designed hardware. With time and talent, devs can take full advantage of everything, and reach the same results faster, port game from PC faster, etc

PAL360

Yeah you can take advantage of the 360 faster. But with more time and knowledge everything will look better on PS3. Because more powerful hardware.

The question is, will a game ever take full advantage of that theoretical extra power?

We are 7 years into this gen and i have yet to see any difference between 360 and PS3 graphics. Both consoles have some beautiful exclusives, multiplats still look the same., even the best looking ones...

The top looking exclusives are all on PS3. The End.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Yeah you can take advantage of the 360 faster. But with more time and knowledge everything will look better on PS3. Because more powerful hardware.

themajormayor

The question is, will a game ever take full advantage of that theoretical extra power?

We are 7 years into this gen and i have yet to see any difference between 360 and PS3 graphics. Both consoles have some beautiful exclusives, multiplats still look the same., even the best looking ones...

The top looking exclusives are all on PS3. The End.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Yeah you can take advantage of the 360 faster. But with more time and knowledge everything will look better on PS3. Because more powerful hardware.

themajormayor

The question is, will a game ever take full advantage of that theoretical extra power?

We are 7 years into this gen and i have yet to see any difference between 360 and PS3 graphics. Both consoles have some beautiful exclusives, multiplats still look the same., even the best looking ones...

The top looking exclusives are all on PS3. The End.

360 have less, but the best looking ones are enough to prove you wrong.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

The question is, will a game ever take full advantage of that theoretical extra power?

We are 7 years into this gen and i have yet to see any difference between 360 and PS3 graphics. Both consoles have some beautiful exclusives, multiplats still look the same., even the best looking ones...

locopatho

The top looking exclusives are all on PS3. The End.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

The question is, will a game ever take full advantage of that theoretical extra power?

We are 7 years into this gen and i have yet to see any difference between 360 and PS3 graphics. Both consoles have some beautiful exclusives, multiplats still look the same., even the best looking ones...

PAL360

The top looking exclusives are all on PS3. The End.

360 have less, but the best looking ones are enough to prove you wrong.

Its stupid to assume you understand a company from looking at them from the outside. We have no idea what Microsoft and Sony's next consoles will be.R3FURBISHED

/thread:cool:

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

The top looking exclusives are all on PS3. The End.

themajormayor

360 have less, but the best looking ones are enough to prove you wrong.

Lets suppose you are right, and PS3 have 5 or 6 exclusives that look a bit better than the best on 360. 360, on the other hand, have advantage in dozens of multiplats (HD version of RDR, higher framerate in Mass Effect games, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, etc...

Dont you think its, at least, a tie??

I associate console "strength" with the quality of its games. And because of that, ps2 was better than xbox and ps3 is better than 360.needweed

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

360 have less, but the best looking ones are enough to prove you wrong.

PAL360

Lets suppose you are right, and PS3 have 5 or 6 exclusives that look a bit better than the best on 360. 360, on the other hand, have advantage in dozens of multiplats (HD version of RDR, higher framerate in Mass Effect games, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, etc...

Dont you think its, at least, a tie??

Considering they are more impressive than any multiplat I don't think it's a tie. As you said it's easier to develop for the 360, hence advantage in most multiplats. But if you optimize well then you'll get better results on PS3. Oh and Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 were ties really, doesn't matter though since your point still stands.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Other than Vita, a Sony console was never better than the competition in hardware. What makes you think it would happen next gen?

PAL360

So you think the 360 hardware is higher quality than PS3?

My opinion about 360 and PS3 hardware.

reliability - PS3 > 360

design/balance - 360 > PS3

power - PS3 = 360

What makes you think the PS3 has inferior design?

I gotta remind you about that horrid disc tray that is suitable for a cup of coffee to stand on... :P

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Nope. Screen tearing, no AA, solid color textures etc.=not in the competition. Not even in the top 5.themajormayor

Lets suppose you are right, and PS3 have 5 or 6 exclusives that look a bit better than the best on 360. 360, on the other hand, have advantage in dozens of multiplats (HD version of RDR, higher framerate in Mass Effect games, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, etc...

Dont you think its, at least, a tie??

Considering they are more impressive than any multiplat I don't think it's a tie. As you said it's easier to develop for the 360, hence advantage in most multiplats. But if you optimize well then you'll get better results on PS3. Oh and Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 were ties really, doesn't matter though since your point still stands.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lets suppose you are right, and PS3 have 5 or 6 exclusives that look a bit better than the best on 360. 360, on the other hand, have advantage in dozens of multiplats (HD version of RDR, higher framerate in Mass Effect games, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, etc...

Dont you think its, at least, a tie??

PAL360

Considering they are more impressive than any multiplat I don't think it's a tie. As you said it's easier to develop for the 360, hence advantage in most multiplats. But if you optimize well then you'll get better results on PS3. Oh and Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 were ties really, doesn't matter though since your point still stands.

Well Sony did say that they don't care what MS is doing, they don't care about being 1st or anything like that. They care about having the best games and the most power, so it's possible for them to launch a system that will overshadow the 720 and Wii U with it's power and tech.

If devs decide to focus on multiplats for it (as Sony said they plan on making an easier system to develop for) then it's very likely PS4 multiplats will look vastly better than 720 and Wii U counter parts. It would be like last gen with GTA on PS2 vs GTA on Xbox, vastly superior on one than the other.

But we don't know at this point, it's all just speculation. I'm just basing this off of what Jack Tretton stated. PS3 however is already more powerful than the 360, just look at the exclusives, nothing on 360 can match that.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Considering they are more impressive than any multiplat I don't think it's a tie. As you said it's easier to develop for the 360, hence advantage in most multiplats. But if you optimize well then you'll get better results on PS3. Oh and Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 were ties really, doesn't matter though since your point still stands.

themajormayor

I disagree. Those games look and perform great, considering their scale.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Lets suppose you are right, and PS3 have 5 or 6 exclusives that look a bit better than the best on 360. 360, on the other hand, have advantage in dozens of multiplats (HD version of RDR, higher framerate in Mass Effect games, Max Payne 3, Crysis 2, etc...

Dont you think its, at least, a tie??

PAL360

Considering they are more impressive than any multiplat I don't think it's a tie. As you said it's easier to develop for the 360, hence advantage in most multiplats. But if you optimize well then you'll get better results on PS3. Oh and Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2 were ties really, doesn't matter though since your point still stands.

Anyone that thinks 360 multiplats are noticably superior is lying to themselves. You can't tell a difference in 90% of them, that goes for RDR, Skyrim (after update), or almost any other game. If you deny this then your trying to justify your purchase.

However if you ask anyone who has both systems, they will tell you that PS3 exclusives look vastly better than anything on 360. This is a fact. Only the most deluded 360 fanboys will deny this, it's because it makes you upset to admit it. In other words it makes 360 fanboys butt hurt, but it IS the truth.

PS3 has more power under the hood, it can handle games no other console this gen can. MG4, UC, God of War ect....are all impossible on 360. It would be like making Skyrim for the Wii, it just can't handle it.

And many PS3 mutlipats are actually the superior version, they get exclusive content like Batman Joker maps, extra missions and gang hideouts in RDR, Bioshock Challenge Maps ect.....upcoming games like AC3 and Far Cry 3 are both confirmed to be better on PS3 as they both have exclusive content.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PAL360"] But i believe some multiplats are more hardware demanding than...Uncharted 3, for example. The fact you think a few PS3 exclusives look better, doesnt tell me much about PS3 superiority.

PAL360

I disagree. Those games look and perform great, considering their scale.