wow.....fallout3 looks incredible

Dam, thats another game added to the list of "must get this year"

There are too many games!!!!!

[QUOTE="lil_tikester"]yep...if this gets even close to oblivion then im gona love this gameStonin

I can't wait, Bethesda are so good at characterisation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ATh4y4XRjA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmerVWaTjZM&NR=1

I can see I'm outnumbered here. You guys are all still in love with Fallout as it was. That's cool, I respect your opinions. I liked them but don't feel the need to replay Fallout 2 with a fresh lick of paint.Ice_N_Fire

Yes, you're right, it's better to replay Oblivion with a fresh lick of paint.

Fallout 3 will be awesome. LOL @ the people saying the graphics suck all the while saying that they'd rather play Fallout 1 and 2 which are 2D.

My god... I watched the conference video.

Know when the Internet destroys your childhood by showing your favourite shows from youth in some horrible way? That is how I feel about Fallout 3.

AnnoyedDragon

Fallout 3 will be awesome. LOL @ the people saying the graphics suck all the while saying that they'd rather play Fallout 1 and 2 which are 2D.

Stancel_Spencer

It rather 2D sprites and a strong art style, then a poor 3D engine with a bad art style - on that note im not saying it looks bad.

[QUOTE="Ice_N_Fire"]I can see I'm outnumbered here. You guys are all still in love with Fallout as it was. That's cool, I respect your opinions. I liked them but don't feel the need to replay Fallout 2 with a fresh lick of paint.Chofee

Yes, you're right, it's better to replay Oblivion with a fresh lick of paint.

/sarcasm off? What's with all the Oblivion hate. I found it fun (not perfect but what game is....oh let me guess, fricking fallout) and I've been gaming for nearly 20 years.

[QUOTE="Chofee"]

[QUOTE="Ice_N_Fire"]I can see I'm outnumbered here. You guys are all still in love with Fallout as it was. That's cool, I respect your opinions. I liked them but don't feel the need to replay Fallout 2 with a fresh lick of paint.Ice_N_Fire

Yes, you're right, it's better to replay Oblivion with a fresh lick of paint.

/sarcasm off? What's with all the Oblivion hate. I found it fun (not perfect but what game is....oh let me guess, fricking fallout) and I've been gaming for nearly 20 years.

Exactly. Oblivion and Morrowind are two of the best games of all time. They've both gotten Game of the Year awards. Bethesda is awesome. Don't hate, appreciate!

OMG, just because the video they showed just shows action does not mean there isn't RPG elements. Why don't you go read the interviews with the developers. There is going to be A LOT of RPG elements. And to call it "Oblivion with guns" just because it's Bethesda is silly. It's a different game. Stancel_Spencer

Problem is what they have revealed is almost identical to Oblivion, and contrary to what Beth has been saying.... resulting in somthing that is nothing like the original series's strengths, not to mention what it was renown for.

And even the previews in Xbox magazines call it ..... Oblivion 2.

From the UK Xbox world magazines

"
Fallout 3's nuts and bolts were something of a mystery, but it's a mystery you'll solve the instant you lay thumbs on the sticks. Fallout 3 is a true Fallout game, with all the wit, character and themes of the old games: more than that, Fallout 3 is Oblivion 2. Even with the post-apocalyptic trappings it feels like Oblivion - same engine, controls, freedom, and sense of place.
"

Heres the link:

Its all a bit depressing

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43401&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Actually, I thought the E3 demo looked like complete and utter garbage, and this is coming from someone who was cautiously optimistic for the game (I liked Morrowind, what can I say?).

It looks like the psychotic, foaming at the mouth Fallout fanboys may have had a point afterall... :?

Only a hater would call it Oblivion 2. It's different than Oblivion. Have you played Oblivion? And go look at the screenshots you'll see dialogue. WTF, I'm depressed by all of you who prefer to speculate on how a game is, when all evidence shows the contrary.

The ONLY similarity is it has a re-vamped graphical engine of Oblivion and the fact that it's an RPG. As for the gameplay, there is NOTHING the same. Unless the character in Fallout 3 casts spells and makes potions out of herbs? Yeah I didn't think so.

Only a hater would call it Oblivion 2. It's different than Oblivion. Have you played Oblivion? And go look at the screenshots you'll see dialogue. WTF, I'm depressed by all of you who prefer to speculate on how a game is, when all evidence shows the contrary.

The ONLY similarity is it has a re-vamped graphical engine of Oblivion and the fact that it's an RPG. As for the gameplay, there is NOTHING the same. Unless the character in Fallout 3 casts spells and makes potions out of herbs? Yeah I didn't think so.

Stancel_Spencer

Though you may not realise it, there are people out there who categorise games based on factors other than setting...

Only a hater would call it Oblivion 2. It's different than Oblivion. Have you played Oblivion? And go look at the screenshots you'll see dialogue. WTF, I'm depressed by all of you who prefer to speculate on how a game is, when all evidence shows the contrary.

The ONLY similarity is it has a re-vamped graphical engine of Oblivion and the fact that it's an RPG. As for the gameplay, there is NOTHING the same. Unless the character in Fallout 3 casts spells and makes potions out of herbs? Yeah I didn't think so.

Stancel_Spencer

Only a hater would call it Oblivion 2. It's different than Oblivion. Have you played Oblivion? And go look at the screenshots you'll see dialogue. WTF, I'm depressed by all of you who prefer to speculate on how a game is, when all evidence shows the contrary.

The ONLY similarity is it has a re-vamped graphical engine of Oblivion and the fact that it's an RPG. As for the gameplay, there is NOTHING the same. Unless the character in Fallout 3 casts spells and makes potions out of herbs? Yeah I didn't think so.

Stancel_Spencer

Did you READ the link?

That is an Xbox magainze PRAISING the game and CALLING it OBLIVION 2.

Yes I have put many hours into Oblivion, and it took me those many hours to realise how flawed the game is.

EVIDENCE? The evidence points towards this as being closer to a fac that t I would not desire..

As for Oblivions dialouge system?

Its pathetic

You cannot compare it to Fallout's, a game that prides itself on choice and freedom.

[QUOTE="Ice_N_Fire"][QUOTE="Chofee"]

[QUOTE="Ice_N_Fire"]I can see I'm outnumbered here. You guys are all still in love with Fallout as it was. That's cool, I respect your opinions. I liked them but don't feel the need to replay Fallout 2 with a fresh lick of paint.Stancel_Spencer

Yes, you're right, it's better to replay Oblivion with a fresh lick of paint.

/sarcasm off? What's with all the Oblivion hate. I found it fun (not perfect but what game is....oh let me guess, fricking fallout) and I've been gaming for nearly 20 years.

Exactly. Oblivion and Morrowind are two of the best games of all time. They've both gotten Game of the Year awards. Bethesda is awesome. Don't hate, appreciate!

Morrowind, yes. Oblivion, o god no. That game spewed bad in every way possible.Broken combat, broken a.i., horrible dialogue conversations, repetitive dungeons, repetetive oblivion gates, broken quest design, HORRENDOUSLY broken leveling system, why should I need over 20 mods to fix how the game should have been...a sequel to Morrowind...call me when the good comes.

But onto Fallout 3. All I see is a mindless SHOOTER with disappointing looking enemy a.i. and with real-time combat that looks completely bad(VAT looks like the only redeeming quality).

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

My god... I watched the conference video.

Know when the Internet destroys your childhood by showing your favourite shows from youth in some horrible way? That is how I feel about Fallout 3.

skrat_01

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And Bethesda considers that exploding head to be "humourous." :?foxhound_fox

Fallout 3 is not an RPG.-Master_St3ve-

Yes it is.

Only a hater would call it Oblivion 2. It's different than Oblivion. Have you played Oblivion? And go look at the screenshots you'll see dialogue. WTF, I'm depressed by all of you who prefer to speculate on how a game is, when all evidence shows the contrary.

The ONLY similarity is it has a re-vamped graphical engine of Oblivion and the fact that it's an RPG. As for the gameplay, there is NOTHING the same. Unless the character in Fallout 3 casts spells and makes potions out of herbs? Yeah I didn't think so.

Stancel_Spencer

The developers themselves have called it "Oblivion 2","Oblivion with guns" , "a true follow-up to Oblivion" and "spiritual successor to Oblivion"

[QUOTE="-Master_St3ve-"]Fallout 3 is not an RPG.PC360Wii

Yes it is.

stalker has all the same elements fallout 3 has, it doesn't call itself an rpg ;)

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="-Master_St3ve-"]Fallout 3 is not an RPG.Zenkuso

Yes it is.

stalker has all the same elements fallout 3 has, it doesn't call itself an rpg ;)

....no it doesnt lol....

No it actualy looks average and the over the top gore and exploding bodies was put in to attract the teen audience just the way making it an FPS will attract the core demographic gamer to go and buy a "kool shooter" when in fact it was one of my favourite WRPGS is annoying.

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="-Master_St3ve-"]Fallout 3 is not an RPG.ReaperV7

Yes it is.

stalker has all the same elements fallout 3 has, it doesn't call itself an rpg ;)

....no it doesnt lol....

Quests, Armors, Dialogue Trees, Multiple Weapons, Items Gathered via the World, Inventory System, corpse looting, etc.

The only thing that stalker doesn't have in the rpg catergory that fallout 3 has is the stats (it does have certain stats), specials, vats and perks.

Most the other types of rpg systems that are used in fallout 3 from what we know right now are also present in stalker. The world may be smaller but the systems are none the less there in a similar vein.

Sure I will say i should have said "some of the same elements" but thats nitpicking.

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"][QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="-Master_St3ve-"]Fallout 3 is not an RPG.Zenkuso

Yes it is.

stalker has all the same elements fallout 3 has, it doesn't call itself an rpg ;)

....no it doesnt lol....

Quests, Armors, Dialogue Trees, Multiple Weapons, Items Gathered via the World, Inventory System, corpse looting, etc.

The only thing that stalker doesn't have in the rpg catergory that fallout 3 has is the stats (it does have certain stats), specials, vats and perks.

Most the other types of rpg systems that are used in fallout 3 from what we know right now are also present in stalker. The world may be smaller but the systems are none the less there in a similar vein.

Sure I will say i should have said "some of the same elements" but thats nitpicking.

there you go thats what makes it an RPG.......

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/Locke562/innovationzg5.gif

Locke562

Hehe, I remember that. A shame no one going to get the reference or why there are three chocolate hot dogs wrapped in "waffles"...or was it pancakes? I don't remember the full quote.

[QUOTE="dooly420"][QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

im not sure about the skilless (stop time aim at face and get head shot) unless you can only do that once or twice and then have to go back to normal FPS will it be any good else the game looks to be wayyyy to easy lol

other than that looks alright

o0squishy0o

but still it takes away any skill. its like that god aweful KOTOR (i will get flamed for that) but i couldnt not stand that Haha. I did like oblivion that was good but it would be like... stop time then aim at head and swing sword. that would be so lame

honestly what is better shoot gun or select and click?

just seems it will make the game so easy. also so far there seems to be like 3 enemies on screen at once which isnt enough i want to be kicking major a$$ with that fatboy nuke thingy lol

Seriously, do some research on the franchise. The whole "stop time and target a body part" mechanic is nothing more than a critical hit function. You don't automatically earn an instant kill with a head shot by just stopping time and aiming for the head. What the system is doing is giving you a probability of earning a critical hit to specific body parts. The system will freeze and give you percentages for each body location. The higher the percentage the better your chances are for landing a critical or fatal blow, but your stats and perks determine that percentage. It isn't just pause the game and aim for the head and get a headshot.

[QUOTE="Chofee"]

[QUOTE="Ice_N_Fire"]I can see I'm outnumbered here. You guys are all still in love with Fallout as it was. That's cool, I respect your opinions. I liked them but don't feel the need to replay Fallout 2 with a fresh lick of paint.Ice_N_Fire

Yes, you're right, it's better to replay Oblivion with a fresh lick of paint.

/sarcasm off? What's with all the Oblivion hate. I found it fun (not perfect but what game is....oh let me guess, fricking fallout) and I've been gaming for nearly 20 years.

What i'm saying is that you find it oke to make Fallout 3 as Oblivion with a fresh lick of paint rather than Fallout 2 with fresh lick of paint. My feelings towards Oblivion are irrelevant here, i just wanted to know your logic behind that what you're saying.

there you go thats what makes it an RPG.......

ReaperV7

It takes more than stats to make a game a RPG; you can slap stats on racing cars or wrestling games, you want to call them RPGs? If people honestly think that no wonder they have been managing to pass off pretty much anything as a RPG these days.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="-Master_St3ve-"]Fallout 3 is not an RPG.Zenkuso

Yes it is.

stalker has all the same elements fallout 3 has, it doesn't call itself an rpg ;)

No it doesnt.

Looks good, glad we got exclusive DLC for the 360!TriggerheartEx

when will it come out? next year with the gta exclusive DLC? lol

The Fallout games have always been overly violent, it is one of the famous aspects of the series, and to awnser peoples bemusement of why the bodies fall apart when you shoot a specific body part, is because the player was using a perk called the bloddy mess perk, which inflicts major gore on the enemy you shoot through VATS, for e.g when you shoot somebody with the sniper rifle through VATS, if you get a headshot not also would pop off the head but the entire body falls apart due to the bloody mess perk, the perk is optional to use in the game, and the the microsoft conference wasn't a good representation of the game, there are far better videos all over the net, infact I might post some links to some vids, that reveal more info than the abysmal demonstration in the press conference.

Links:http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36161.html

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/20136

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/20136

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

there you go thats what makes it an RPG.......

AnnoyedDragon

It takes more than stats to make a game a RPG; you can slap stats on racing cars or wrestling games, you want to call them RPGs? If people honestly think that no wonder they have been managing to pass off pretty much anything as a RPG these days.

Sorry, but Fallout 3 IS an RPG. The SPECIAL system, the incredible character interaction, the ethical choices that effect the overall story line. Side Quests that affect the outcome of the main quest. The fallout series is more RPG than most D&D titles. Fallout 3 may take a few new liberties with the new perspective such as a more action oriented and faster paced experience than its predecessors, but it is still very much an RPG.

Sorry, but Fallout 3 IS an RPG. The SPECIAL system, the incredible character interaction, the ethical choices that effect the overall story line. Side Quests that affect the outcome of the main quest. The fallout series is more RPG than most D&D titles. Fallout 3 may take a few new liberties with the new perspective such as a more action oriented and faster paced experience than its predecessors, but it is still very much an RPG.

gamer620

First off you're hyped, you sound like the people who thought radiant AI was going to be revolutionary. Secondly I was generally speaking about the idea that stats=RPG, I wasn't particularly referring to Fallout 3.

[QUOTE="gamer620"]

Sorry, but Fallout 3 IS an RPG. The SPECIAL system, the incredible character interaction, the ethical choices that effect the overall story line. Side Quests that affect the outcome of the main quest. The fallout series is more RPG than most D&D titles. Fallout 3 may take a few new liberties with the new perspective such as a more action oriented and faster paced experience than its predecessors, but it is still very much an RPG.

AnnoyedDragon

First off you're hyped, you sound like the people who thought radiant AI was going to be revolutionary. Secondly I was generally speaking about the idea that stats=RPG, I wasn't particularly referring to Fallout 3.

Exactly what I though of when I read that post.

[QUOTE="Stancel_Spencer"]

Only a hater would call it Oblivion 2. It's different than Oblivion. Have you played Oblivion? And go look at the screenshots you'll see dialogue. WTF, I'm depressed by all of you who prefer to speculate on how a game is, when all evidence shows the contrary.

The ONLY similarity is it has a re-vamped graphical engine of Oblivion and the fact that it's an RPG. As for the gameplay, there is NOTHING the same. Unless the character in Fallout 3 casts spells and makes potions out of herbs? Yeah I didn't think so.

RazorGR

The developers themselves have called it "Oblivion 2","Oblivion with guns" , "a true follow-up to Oblivion" and "spiritual successor to Oblivion"

The developers at Bethesda would NOT call it that. A true follow up to Oblivion? Now you're just making up things. The only thing they would ever call a successor or follow up to Oblivion is TES5 which hasn't been announced yet.