XBL = Paying three times for the same thing?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well for me it doesn't matter so for me its no vastly superior in any way. The guy I responded to told me I was trolling because I said it has the same quality for me where that matters, why don't you jump on him then too? I know mine is an opinion an opinion doesn't make me a troll. Besides I made a poll some time ago asking if people would still pay for XBL if they could play online for free and the vast majority of people here said no, so I guess the vast majority agrees with my opinion thenclone01

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[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"]

It's less than 5 bucks a month for a better online service, how is this a ripoff?

KevinnButlerNPK

It is a rip off since I can get an even better service on the PC for free. I for the things I use PSN then it has practically the same functionality with the same quality than Live and I also get it for free.

You won't be paying just $5 a month when other companies follow M$ example of ripping off people.

So you are saying that XBL is better than having online play on PC? Well I bet many many people will disagree with you. And I know it because I have used XBL before and I laugh when lems say it is better than what you get on PC.

XBL is a massive rip off imo. Thankfully I bought 2 cards for 40 each which is still too much considering I rarely play 360. The ads can be annoying. There seems to be more ads since MS announced the XBL price increase. Milkage at its finest.

Grawse

at any rate they can charge for the online because they built the entire structure of it and made it its own platform that supports voice chat/match making. Not any either platform offers this, so live is upgradable without recompiling games.

Granted whether or not there is an actual added benefit is a different story... the only thing it really brings over PC or psn is consistency, upgradable, and maintainable. nothing that users would care about only dev's.

Still far better in content, interactivity, intergration and online preformance then psn so I dont mind paying....I find it odd how others have a problem with me paying for it.

Still far better in content, interactivity, intergration and online preformance then psn so I dont mind paying....I find it odd how others have a problem with me paying for it.

WilliamRLBaker

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Still far better in content, interactivity, intergration and online preformance then psn so I dont mind paying....I find it odd how others have a problem with me paying for it.

Jynxzor

MS charges because they can. Companies are out there to make money. Sony doesn't charge because no one would buy their service and they would go out of business. I don't know how anyone with a job doesn't understand this.

The first person to send me an advertisement via XBL will be deleted. MrSelf-Destruct

The difference between Live and those products is that advertisment is how those products make money. The miniscule price we pay for a newspaper doesn't cover the cost of the copy you hold in your hand, let alone allow them to profit. Magazines are similar, though they are more expensive.Cable is actually similar to Live in that you pay the owner of the infrastructure, and not the content providers. The difference here is that, in the case of cable, content providers use advertising as their main revenue source, while with Live MS, the inrastructure owner, is also the one profiting from the advertisments.There are tons of free, ad-supported apps and websites. When you pay, the ads go away. If Live is so ad heavy, that model would be the only way to justify it. Pug-Nasty

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]The first person to send me an advertisement via XBL will be deleted. Nerkcon

Playing your own game online, should always be free, unless we are talking about a subscription based game, such as an MMORPG.

The other features and things you can do on Xboxlive costing money, is fine. But playing a game online that you bought, is not.

This has nothing to do with Sony. Why does everyone of you console players get all butthurt and defensive as soon as even the other system is mentioned, or your own system is in question.

Is it ridiculous that LIVE costs money? Yes. Does this have anything to do with Sony? No.

Sony doesn't charge because no one would buy their service and they would go out of business. I don't know how anyone with a job doesn't understand this.ROFLCOPTER603

How can any pro Sony gamer bash XBL's infastructure after the PSN hacker nonsense... seriously? :|

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSk5DhxQHLo


You cannot defend this.

gc3n

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Still far better in content, interactivity, intergration and online preformance then psn so I dont mind paying....I find it odd how others have a problem with me paying for it.

ROFLCOPTER603

MS charges because they can. Companies are out there to make money. Sony doesn't charge because no one would buy their service and they would go out of business. I don't know how anyone with a job doesn't understand this.

Who says that? where is your proof? I personally don't pay for XBL because I think it is a rip off and wouldn't pay for PSN either if they charged for it but clearly many people would pay for PSN if Sony charged for it too, there's nothing that says it would be different from XBL.kuraimen

If you don't want to pay, there is an option not to. The 360 is successful because people like it. They pay because they like it. If someone doesn't like it they opt for a different system. If you pay for something you don't like or agree with then that is your own problem to sort out. Simple. I am an owner of the wii, 360, and ps3. The 360 clearly has the best online and I do not mind paying for it because of the significant advantages xbox live offers. Again if the service wasN't worth it, they wouldn't have millions buy it. Economics 101.Megaflush24

No you don't pay for XBL because you don't own a 360 and are a Sony fanboy...

KevinnButlerNPK

Wasn't going to say it, but you kind of hit the nail on the head.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

MS charges because they can. Companies are out there to make money. Sony doesn't charge because no one would buy their service and they would go out of business. I don't know how anyone with a job doesn't understand this.

KevinnButlerNPK

[QUOTE="Megaflush24"]If you don't want to pay, there is an option not to. The 360 is successful because people like it. They pay because they like it. If someone doesn't like it they opt for a different system. If you pay for something you don't like or agree with then that is your own problem to sort out. Simple. I am an owner of the wii, 360, and ps3. The 360 clearly has the best online and I do not mind paying for it because of the significant advantages xbox live offers. Again if the service wasN't worth it, they wouldn't have millions buy it. Economics 101.kuraimen

And you pay for XBL cause you are a M$ fanboy. See? I can do completely irrelevant and unsupported claims too ;)kuraimen

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] No you don't pay for XBL because you don't own a 360 and are a Sony fanboy...

clone01

Wasn't going to say it, but you kind of hit the nail on the head.

No you don't pay for XBL because you don't own a 360 and are a Sony fanboy...KevinnButlerNPK

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] And you pay for XBL cause you are a M$ fanboy. See? I can do completely irrelevant and unsupported claims too ;)clone01

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Megaflush24"]If you don't want to pay, there is an option not to. The 360 is successful because people like it. They pay because they like it. If someone doesn't like it they opt for a different system. If you pay for something you don't like or agree with then that is your own problem to sort out. Simple. I am an owner of the wii, 360, and ps3. The 360 clearly has the best online and I do not mind paying for it because of the significant advantages xbox live offers. Again if the service wasN't worth it, they wouldn't have millions buy it. Economics 101.KevinnButlerNPK

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[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] No you don't pay for XBL because you don't own a 360 and are a Sony fanboy...

kuraimen

Wasn't going to say it, but you kind of hit the nail on the head.

Anyone who has seen me here fight against those who defend Sony in the OtherOS fiasco would disagree with you. I like Sony much more than M$ but I wouldn't pay them if I feel they are ripping me off by charging for PSN.

WOW thanks Microsoft! You know the other day when I was surfing TV channels for great new ads I thought to myself, "You know I wish I could share this Coke ad with all of my friends who probably could give two craps about it in the first place". Now, thanks to Microsoft, I will finally beable to do this through a $150 dollar peripheral that could be replaced by the "A" button, but we all know waving our arms around is much much more fun. God screw the games, lets go ad surfing Xbox fans!

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] And you pay for XBL cause you are a M$ fanboy. See? I can do completely irrelevant and unsupported claims too ;)kuraimen

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] No you don't pay for XBL because you don't own a 360 and are a Sony fanboy...Nerkcon

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="clone01"]

Wasn't going to say it, but you kind of hit the nail on the head.

clone01

Anyone who has seen me here fight against those who defend Sony in the OtherOS fiasco would disagree with you. I like Sony much more than M$ but I wouldn't pay them if I feel they are ripping me off by charging for PSN.

That is actually true.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="clone01"] When have you ever posted a non-biased claim?clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] When have you ever posted a non-biased claim?kuraimen

Microsoft is just terrible...

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Megaflush24"]If you don't want to pay, there is an option not to. The 360 is successful because people like it. They pay because they like it. If someone doesn't like it they opt for a different system. If you pay for something you don't like or agree with then that is your own problem to sort out. Simple. I am an owner of the wii, 360, and ps3. The 360 clearly has the best online and I do not mind paying for it because of the significant advantages xbox live offers. Again if the service wasN't worth it, they wouldn't have millions buy it. Economics 101.Megaflush24

[QUOTE="Megaflush24"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Megaflush24"]If you don't want to pay, there is an option not to. The 360 is successful because people like it. They pay because they like it. If someone doesn't like it they opt for a different system. If you pay for something you don't like or agree with then that is your own problem to sort out. Simple. I am an owner of the wii, 360, and ps3. The 360 clearly has the best online and I do not mind paying for it because of the significant advantages xbox live offers. Again if the service wasN't worth it, they wouldn't have millions buy it. Economics 101.kuraimen

Xbox Live is under $4 per month. Are you guys all 12 or something and/or already forgot what happened to the PSN?KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Xbox Live is under $4 per month. Are you guys all 12 or something and/or already forgot what happened to the PSN?Nerkcon

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Xbox Live is under $4 per month. Are you guys all 12 or something and/or already forgot what happened to the PSN?KC_Hokie

There has been some good deals of the week, but ever since I've subscribed at the beginning of the year there has been only 1 really good sale (Dead Rising Case Zero/West). It's one of the reason I even subscribed to gold but it's been disappointing so far.

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Well I have a job and gladly pay under $4 a month for the security and stability of Xbox Live. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]That's nice for you but I doubt you have any hard evidence that Live is more secure and stable because of its fee. Megaflush24

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Well I have a job and gladly pay under $4 a month for the security and stability of Xbox Live. KC_Hokie