Xbox 360 faces several problems going foward, may launch a new console sooner ??

Basicly it come down to theses points. (edited as no one reads many post)

1. Disk space DVD9-http://www.xboxic.com/news/4915, http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/, http://www.next-gen.biz/news/lost-planet-2-significantly-cut-on-360, http://www.gofanboy.com/home/news-archive/1955-la-noires-future-on-xbox-360-again-in-question-because-of-dvd
2. Closed system for Direct X - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-directx-360-performance-blog-entry,
3. Closed system for Live- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/closed-xbox-live-blocked-ffxiv, http://exophase.com/xbox360/valve-wants-steamworks-on-xbox-360-17841.htm,
4. Microsoft milking its costumers and others. Live, HDD... Its not a problem now as people continue to pay extra, buy you can only milk some people for so long before they get fed up. LIVE INCREASE IN COST $$ http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/30/xbox-live-subscription-prices-to-rise-60-for-1-year-beginning/
5. Lost of People who launched the Xbox = http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/25/microsofts-j-allard-and-robbie-bach-are-leaving-the-company/, Shane Kim, and http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19994/John-Schappert-Returns-to-EA/ ... other high ranking members that
6. Lost of Game exclusive= most of the first games that came out with Xbox 360,Developer Bungie now MP, Epic no longer making GOW after 3...
7. Multiplatform games no longer look better on Xbox 360.http://www.gamespot.com/features/6242816/p-6.html, http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/microsoft/console-wars-round-9-xbox-360-vs-ps3-multiplatform-games/ Now, Xbox 360still got s little more focus in 2008 and 2009thus the SLIGHT advantage, NEXT year things change, with the launch of bigger games. There still may be some small developers that will use Xbox for their focus.

to a lesser extent MS problems with Xbox RROD,http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html(pay attention to MicrosoftRESPONCE... they do not deny it)

First though DVD9 seemed like a good choice in the begining it is now affecting games.... Sure they CAN use more disks but for OPEN world games this option would not work like with LA Noires. If they use more compression the power to decompress and visuals would be affected. AND with not all Xbox 360 with HDD it makes it more difficult. Again Next year bigger games will come out and the years after that. They will have to decide on what to do.... DLC cut out features, Multi Disk.... This problem is not on PS3.

And as Jhon carmac said Xbox 360 games will look worse on Xbox 360 (first link) Next year will be the begining of problems with DVD9 games from the top developers. John Carmack ... While spanning the game over multiple discs could solve the issue, id Software revealed that the associated royalties to Microsoft for more than two discs would become economically unfavourable. "We're pretty much resigned to the fact that we're going to make it fit onto two DVDs on the 360. Plus there would be a lot of disc switching if we went to three DVDs, and since the game is split between two different wasteland environments, two DVDs should work well," he explained. "

In the begining DirectX was GREAT it was easy to use, and developers knew how to push want the Xbox 360 could do, NOW it is a limit as new tricks can be used to lessen the power needed in some areas and adding more graphics, AI.... to the game.THIS http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-force-unleashed-60fps-tech-article?page=2this is just one of Many to come in the coming years IF YOU THINK that Xbox 360 will not be important

In the end I see Microsoft lanching a new console by 2012 at the latest. YEA, I know that Kinect is out but Microsoft seems to be focusing on Causal gamers withKinect this gen. The question is what will happen in 2012 and on with PS 3 games continuly getting better and MS 3 console out. IF MS waits longer than 2012 will it be okay with PS3 becoming the console with better overall games, exclusives...

You say 2012 latest, I say 2012 earliest.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]You say 2012 latest, I say 2012 earliest.Ratchet_Fan8

Doesn't mean a thing... it could be compatible with the new console as well.

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

bphan

Basicly it come down to theses points.

1. Disk space DVD9-http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/, http://www.next-gen.biz/news/lost-planet-2-significantly-cut-on-360, http://www.gofanboy.com/home/news-archive/1955-la-noires-future-on-xbox-360-again-in-question-because-of-dvd
2. Closed system for Direct X - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-directx-360-performance-blog-entry,
3. Closed system for Live- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/closed-xbox-live-blocked-ffxiv, http://exophase.com/xbox360/valve-wants-steamworks-on-xbox-360-17841.htm,
4. Microsoft milking its costumers and others. Live, HDD...
5. Lost of People who launched the Xbox = http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/25/microsofts-j-allard-and-robbie-bach-are-leaving-the-company/, Shane Kim, and http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19994/John-Schappert-Returns-to-EA/ ... other high ranking members that
6. Lost of Game exclusive= most of the first games that came out with Xbox 360, Developer Bungie...

to a lesser extent MS problems with Xbox RROD,http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html(pay attention to MicrosoftRESPONCE... they do not deny it)

First though DVD9 seemed like a good choice in the begining it is now affecting games.... Sure they CAN use more disks but for OPEN world games this option would not work like with LA Noires. If they use more compression the power to decompress and visuals would be affected. AND with not all Xbox 360 with HDD it makes it more difficult.

In the end I see Microsoft lanching a new console by 2012 at the latest. YEA, I know that Kinect is out but Microsoft seems to be focusing on Causal gamers withKinect this gen.

Ravenlore_basic

it might happen but i say no. i say they ride this ps3/360/wii generation out till fall 2013. just my guess.

Kinect is supposed to extend the life of the 360. The only problem with the 360 other than hardware failures... the Nintendo Wii and casual gamers. Kinect is supposed to help bridge that gap.

The "Walled Garden" approach that M$ is taking with Live is working out for them. They're the only ones making money off their online ventures. Microsoft can get FF14 on the 360 but they want money for it.

Basicly it come down to theses points.

1. Disk space DVD9-http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/, http://www.next-gen.biz/news/lost-planet-2-significantly-cut-on-360, http://www.gofanboy.com/home/news-archive/1955-la-noires-future-on-xbox-360-again-in-question-because-of-dvd
2. Closed system for Direct X - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-directx-360-performance-blog-entry,
3. Closed system for Live- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/closed-xbox-live-blocked-ffxiv, http://exophase.com/xbox360/valve-wants-steamworks-on-xbox-360-17841.htm,
4. Microsoft milking its costumers and others. Live, HDD...
5. Lost of People who launched the Xbox = http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/25/microsofts-j-allard-and-robbie-bach-are-leaving-the-company/, Shane Kim, and http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19994/John-Schappert-Returns-to-EA/ ... other high ranking members that
6. Lost of Game exclusive= most of the first games that came out with Xbox 360, Developer Bungie...

to a lesser extent MS problems with Xbox RROD,http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html(pay attention to MicrosoftRESPONCE... they do not deny it)

First though DVD9 seemed like a good choice in the begining it is now affecting games.... Sure they CAN use more disks but for OPEN world games this option would not work like with LA Noires. If they use more compression the power to decompress and visuals would be affected. AND with not all Xbox 360 with HDD it makes it more difficult.

In the end I see Microsoft lanching a new console by 2012 at the latest. YEA, I know that Kinect is out but Microsoft seems to be focusing on Causal gamers withKinect this gen.

Ravenlore_basic

You make it sound like any of that is relevant to anything. Let me enlighten you, the system is 200 bucks and sells tons of software. Why on earth should they send out a new system because of disk space and lost exclusives that all bomb on their PS3 launches anyway?

Why on earth did you search through the web and pull out aload of old articles!? MS and Sony will release a new console within the same year imo. The 360 is doing just fine.Duckyindiana

Basicly it come down to theses points.

1. Disk space DVD9-http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/, http://www.next-gen.biz/news/lost-planet-2-significantly-cut-on-360, http://www.gofanboy.com/home/news-archive/1955-la-noires-future-on-xbox-360-again-in-question-because-of-dvd
2. Closed system for Direct X - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-directx-360-performance-blog-entry,
3. Closed system for Live- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/closed-xbox-live-blocked-ffxiv, http://exophase.com/xbox360/valve-wants-steamworks-on-xbox-360-17841.htm,
4. Microsoft milking its costumers and others. Live, HDD...
5. Lost of People who launched the Xbox = http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/25/microsofts-j-allard-and-robbie-bach-are-leaving-the-company/, Shane Kim, and http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19994/John-Schappert-Returns-to-EA/ ... other high ranking members that
6. Lost of Game exclusive= most of the first games that came out with Xbox 360, Developer Bungie...

to a lesser extent MS problems with Xbox RROD,http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html(pay attention to MicrosoftRESPONCE... they do not deny it)

First though DVD9 seemed like a good choice in the begining it is now affecting games.... Sure they CAN use more disks but for OPEN world games this option would not work like with LA Noires. If they use more compression the power to decompress and visuals would be affected. AND with not all Xbox 360 with HDD it makes it more difficult.

In the end I see Microsoft lanching a new console by 2012 at the latest. YEA, I know that Kinect is out but Microsoft seems to be focusing on Causal gamers withKinect this gen.

Ravenlore_basic

1. Installs fix this problem.

2. This is a quote from your article "More than that, in the here and now, it can easily be argued that the implementation of DirectX is a key reason that the Xbox 360's tools and development environment are considered to be generally excellent. Not only that, but game makers are familiar with the standard, and code is easily portable to and from PC. A firm adherence to DirectX is also good news for gamers too: it makes the chances of full backwards compatibility on Xbox Next a far more realistic prospect..."

3. Why do you think a new console would = new live policy? The two aren't related

4. This actually goes against your statement. If people are getting milked now why not continue to milk that cash cow instead of spending tons to launch a new console so soon?

5. Why would this make them launch a new console? They will have almost no first party and will have to pay out of the rear to get exclusives. Think about it this way, if their console can push more it will be more expensive to dev for and publishers and devs alike will not be willing to foot that bill.

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

bphan

Sorry, give up on what??

[QUOTE="bphan"]

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

CuteCakes

[QUOTE="CuteCakes"][QUOTE="bphan"]

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

Warship_19

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

with what probably 25-30 million 360 owners worldwide or whatever it is I think kinect can easily sell about 1 million units in the first 1-2 months. Thats not a lot but thats roughly $150 million plus you figure a 2 or 3 game attach rate. This thing can make money but it all depends on how much ms put into it to determine how big of a profit they get early.xbox360isgr8t

[QUOTE="Warship_19"][QUOTE="CuteCakes"] Cows are bitter because they really are in "the third place".Casboof

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

[QUOTE="Warship_19"][QUOTE="CuteCakes"] Cows are bitter because they really are in "the third place".Casboof

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]with what probably 25-30 million 360 owners worldwide or whatever it is I think kinect can easily sell about 1 million units in the first 1-2 months. Thats not a lot but thats roughly $150 million plus you figure a 2 or 3 game attach rate. This thing can make money but it all depends on how much ms put into it to determine how big of a profit they get early.CuteCakes

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="Warship_19"] Your so silly. Were already coming back and we have 10 plus exclusives lined up for the next year.RogueShodown

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="Warship_19"] Your so silly. Were already coming back and we have 10 plus exclusives lined up for the next year.CuteCakes

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="Warship_19"] Your so silly. Were already coming back and we have 10 plus exclusives lined up for the next year.RogueShodown

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="Warship_19"] Your so silly. Were already coming back and we have 10 plus exclusives lined up for the next year.RogueShodown

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

No actually the 360 is not falling at all. PS3 is doing much better but I don't know where you guys get off saying that the 360 is about to die. It has more consoles sold and its making more money off of Live then PSN. Halo: Reach is coming in like 2 weeks yet people have the audacity to say the 360 is somehow falling??? Halo 3 is nearly 3 years old and it has more people playing it than most titles on the PS3.

new console in 2012 would be great. PS3/360 are antiques and completely obsolete. Still have fun games, but since graphics are the only things that matter in SW lets throw em away.

1. Installs fix this problem. What installs can make DVD9 have more space??

2. This is a quote from your article "More than that, in the here and now, it can easily be argued that the implementation of DirectX is a key reason that the Xbox 360's tools and development environment are considered to be generally excellent. Not only that, but game makers are familiar with the standard, and code is easily portable to and from PC. A firm adherence to DirectX is also good news for gamers too: it makes the chances of full backwards compatibility on Xbox Next a far more realistic prospect..." All true. But it does not help developers when they want to try something NEW, to get more from the console than the tools that are provided using DirectX as developers would like.

3. Why do you think a new console would = new live policy? The two aren't related

4. This actually goes against your statement. If people are getting milked now why not continue to milk that cash cow instead of spending tons to launch a new console so soon? True. MS makes money from its costomers... THE CORE group but for others it is a turn off. As more people have friends that get PS3 and swap out the HDD for 500GB HDD no plm but see the Xbox 360 as limited.

5. Why would this make them launch a new console? They will have almost no first party and will have to pay out of the rear to get exclusives. Think about it this way, if their console can push more it will be more expensive to dev for and publishers and devs alike will not be willing to foot that bill. I do not mean this as a reason for MS to launch a new console but as it says in the message it is a problem they will face.

Espada12

PS3 continues to grow strong, in sales, and exclusives, and as Developers gain the tools to make great games. The reasons that Xbox 360 Multi Platfrom games lookED batter are fading http://www.gamespot.com/features/6242816/p-6.html, http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/microsoft/console-wars-round-9-xbox-360-vs-ps3-multiplatform-games/ Now, Xbox 360 still gets the bigger focus and thus the SLIGHT advantage, NEXT year things change, with the launch of bigger games. There still may be some small developers that will use Xbox for their focus.

I kinda understand now why there are more cows than lems here. Lems are busy playing games on their system. Cows are busy posting on message boards trying to convince people Xbox 360 is dying. LOL.

Cows don't get that once you reach rock bottom the only way is up. Anything the PS3 does will look awesome compared to the first 2 terrible years of its shelf life.CuteCakes

I am not saying that PS3 did not have a HARD BAD 2 years... IT DID. IT Had major problems but since 2008 things started to come together and things have been getting better ever since.

[QUOTE="CuteCakes"]Cows don't get that once you reach rock bottom the only way is up. Anything the PS3 does will look awesome compared to the first 2 terrible years of its shelf life.Ravenlore_basic

I am not saying that PS3 did not have a HARD BAD 2 years... IT DID. IT Had major problems but since 2008 things started to come together and things have been getting better ever since.

The PS3 getting better doesn't mean the 360 is getting worse.

[QUOTE="RogueShodown"][QUOTE="Casboof"]

Doesn't negate the fact that most cows are bitter over the rise of the Xbox. They keep making threads claiming that the 360 is dying when they are still in 3rd place. And it is pathetic because they are getting butthurt over second place.

CuteCakes

I meant Sony rising since launch, and 360 falling behind in sales. That is until the new S models were introduced. Point is that neither of them are doing badly.

Why on earth did you search through the web and pull out aload of old articles!? MS and Sony will release a new console within the same year imo. The 360 is doing just fine.Duckyindiana

All those factors are starting to affect Xbox 360, where in the begining things were looking great. The DVD9 seemed more than enough for games and MS stated that it would be more than enough room for this gen.... YES if this gen ends in 2 years!!

The benifit of a closed system and Live seemed good at the time but now developers want to do more with the console and the closed system is holding them back. There are new ways made all the time that can add to what games can do LIKE THIS http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-force-unleashed-60fps-tech-article?page=2.

DVD storage capability? Seriously? This is not 2006 anymore. We are 4 years into this gen, and 99% of games fit in one DVD. The other 1% fits in (oh, teh horror), 2 or 3.

I have no idea what the DirectX chat is about, but, again, we are 4 years into this gen. Whatever tech the 360 has inside, has been enough to make the games we see. And devs are not gonna do anything drastically different in the next 2 years than what they have done in the last 4.

Live fees and policy affects MS and the Xbox very little. If anything, they've helped them.

The lack of first party devs mean little. The current library and userbase of the 360 is big enough to keep selling hardware. That hardware sell the software needed for MS to be profitable. MS will keep usgin third party deals to push more hardware, so...

Nothing of that sounds like a reason for a new consoles. If they launch one by 2012 (7 years after the Xbox), it will be due the natural hardware evolution we've seen at the end of every gen.IronBass

^^ this I am sure is what people will say when Microsoft's 3rd console is launched in 2012

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Nothing of that sounds like a reason for a new consoles. If they launch one by 2012 (7 years after the Xbox), it will be due the natural hardware evolution we've seen at the end of every gen.Ravenlore_basic

^^ this I am sure is what people will say when Microsoft's 3rd console is launched in 2012

DVD storage capability? Seriously? This is not 2006 anymore. We are 4 years into this gen, and 99% of games fit in one DVD. The other 1% fits in (oh, teh horror), 2 or 3. On open world Games it makes a HUGE difference. You go to one location on one disk and then go to another on another disk and need to switch EVERY TIME you change to another location on the other disk. I wonder how the OPEN world games will deal with this next year... WE will SEE.

I have no idea what the DirectX chat is about, but, again, we are 4 years into this gen. Whatever tech the 360 has inside, has been enough to make the games we see. And devs are not gonna do anything drastically different in the next 2 years than what they have done in the last 4. true enough but as new techniques come out that use different ways to have the hardware work better Xbox 360 will be more restraintful and cause problems. Not so on PS3. I hope Microsoft changes this.

Live fees and policy affects MS and the Xbox very little. If anything, they've helped them.For now it helps them but as time goes on will it continue to help them?

The lack of first party devs mean little. Really? Epic will be done withGOW3 and that will be it new games will be MP. Bungie is not only gone but will be making games for both platforms, and Valve is bring its games to PS3 with a form of steam. current library and userbase of the 360 is big enough to keep selling hardware. Here in the US it may help keep it selling well but not world wide. We will see. That hardware sell the software needed for MS to be profitable. MS will keep usgin third party deals to push more hardware, so...Those deals will be harder to come by as Sony base grows.

IronBass

I am not saying that Xbox 360 is doomed or ..... just saying that there are challanges that Microsoft faces with Xbox 360 going foward.

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Nothing of that sounds like a reason for a new consoles. If they launch one by 2012 (7 years after the Xbox), it will be due the natural hardware evolution we've seen at the end of every gen.IronBass

^^ this I am sure is what people will say when Microsoft's 3rd console is launched in 2012

For Sony I do not think so. PS2 lasted 6 years and in that 6th year in 2005 crushed Xbox 360... and AGAIN IN 2006 PS2 sold more than Xbox 360 and PS3 combined. IT is still selling in EVERY COUNTRY that it launched in including the U.S. I do not see Sony coming out with a console untill2014 at the earliest.

DVD storage capability? Seriously? This is not 2006 anymore. We are 4 years into this gen, and 99% of games fit in one DVD. The other 1% fits in (oh, teh horror), 2 or 3. On open world Games it makes a HUGE difference. You go to one location on one disk and then go to another on another disk and need to switch EVERY TIME you change to another location on the other disk. I wonder how the OPEN world games will deal with this next year... WE will SEE.

As I said, this is not 2006 anymore. We've already seen it. GTAIV, Assassin's Creed 2, Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption. My point still stands. 4 years into this gen. Four. And 99% of games fit on a DVD. Saying DVD "may be a problem" this late in the game is a little pointless.

I have no idea what the DirectX chat is about, but, again, we are 4 years into this gen. Whatever tech the 360 has inside, has been enough to make the games we see. And devs are not gonna do anything drastically different in the next 2 years than what they have done in the last 4. true enough but as new techniques come out that use different ways to have the hardware work better Xbox 360 will be more restraintful and cause problems. Not so on PS3. I hope Microsoft changes this.

And what games are using those techniques? What game can't be done on the 360 because of that? What game has faced problems becasue of that? It's like the DVD issue. It's too late for claimming such things. 4 years into this gen, and the 360 tech works just fine.

Live fees and policy affects MS and the Xbox very little. If anything, they've helped them.For now it helps them but as time goes on will it continue to help them? Why shouldn't it?

Live's has meant a lot of revenue for MS, why should that change?

The lack of first party devs mean little. Really? Epic will be done withGOW3 and that will be it new games will be MP. Bungie is not only gone but will be making games for both platforms, and Valve is bring its games to PS3 with a form of steam. current library and userbase of the 360 is big enough to keep selling hardware. Here in the US it may help keep it selling well but not world wide. We will see. That hardware sell the software needed for MS to be profitable. MS will keep usgin third party deals to push more hardware, so...Those deals will be harder to come by as Sony base grows.

The 360 sells well worlwide (yeah, not in Japan), not only in the US.

I am not saying that Xbox 360 is doomed or ..... just saying that there are challanges that Microsoft faces with Xbox 360 going foward.

Ravenlore_basic

I don't want to sound unfriendly, but your points are based a little too much on "we will see". Which is a little weak, considering we are four years into this gen andwe've already seen much.

Its not going to happen. Till at the earliest fall of 2012. Kinect is probley going to run for 2-3 years to get a good feel of the market for next gen. The xbox isn't going any were for atleast 2 years

Ps3 games aren't going to get all the much better either. Maybe small improvements but UC2 is the real max your going to see. The gpu can't handle much more

[QUOTE="bphan"]

It's been nearly 5 years already. Cows need to give up already.

CuteCakes

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

DVD storage capability? Seriously? This is not 2006 anymore. We are 4 years into this gen, and 99% of games fit in one DVD. The other 1% fits in (oh, teh horror), 2 or 3. On open world Games it makes a HUGE difference. You go to one location on one disk and then go to another on another disk and need to switch EVERY TIME you change to another location on the other disk. I wonder how the OPEN world games will deal with this next year... WE will SEE.

As I said, this is not 2006 anymore. We've already seen it. GTAIV, Assassin's Creed 2, Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption. My point still stands. 4 years into this gen. Four. And 99% of games fit on a DVD. Saying DVD "may be a problem" this late in the game is a little pointless.

I have no idea what the DirectX chat is about, but, again, we are 4 years into this gen. Whatever tech the 360 has inside, has been enough to make the games we see. And devs are not gonna do anything drastically different in the next 2 years than what they have done in the last 4. true enough but as new techniques come out that use different ways to have the hardware work better Xbox 360 will be more restraintful and cause problems. Not so on PS3. I hope Microsoft changes this.

And what games are using those techniques? What game can't be done on the 360 because of that? What game has faced problems becasue of that? It's like the DVD issue. It's too late for claimming such things. 4 years into this gen, and the 360 tech works just fine.

Live fees and policy affects MS and the Xbox very little. If anything, they've helped them.For now it helps them but as time goes on will it continue to help them? Why shouldn't it?

Live's has meant a lot of revenue for MS, why should that change?

The lack of first party devs mean little. Really? Epic will be done withGOW3 and that will be it new games will be MP. Bungie is not only gone but will be making games for both platforms, and Valve is bring its games to PS3 with a form of steam. current library and userbase of the 360 is big enough to keep selling hardware. Here in the US it may help keep it selling well but not world wide. We will see. That hardware sell the software needed for MS to be profitable. MS will keep usgin third party deals to push more hardware, so...Those deals will be harder to come by as Sony base grows.

The 360 sells well worlwide (yeah, not in Japan), not only in the US.

I am not saying that Xbox 360 is doomed or ..... just saying that there are challanges that Microsoft faces with Xbox 360 going foward.

IronBass

I don't want to sound unfriendly, but your points are based a little too much on "we will see". Which is a little weak, considering we are four years into this gen andwe've already seen much.

You do not sound unfriendly at all. and there is reasons behind what you are saying... though you make it sound like this gen is the same as last gen. 4 years was long enough for last gen Xbox but not this gen Xbox 360. This gen should last a lot longer, as both Microsoft and Sony have stated.

Again PS2 was weak last gen though God of war 2 showed that it was still capable of making great games using techniques as was dipicted in the link. I see PS3 easily lasting 8 years before PS4 launches. Thus such things as Bluray, and being able to access the hardware with out limitations is a great way to help the console continue to improve in the strength of its games.

I still dont understand this whole outcry issue with games being on multiple discs. The only games that ever take more than one are almost always RPGs and youre only having to switch discs what, every 15-20 hours?

360 is doing very well for itself with the S model out now. With how much effort they are putting behind Kinect, though I doubt its success, it would be silly to launch a new system so soon after it. Unless "Xbox 720" comes bundled with it from day one.