Xbox 360 is bound to lose the war because of too many illusions

I believe Microsoft is the sneakiest of all the major gaming companies. That's because it seems to employ marketing illusions on gamers.

Illusion 1: The first console to have a larger install base and a better libary of games will continue to do so throughout this generation.Seems good so far. Microsoft launched first and currently has a larger install base and a better libray of games. Will this advantage holds? I don't think so.

Reality: The PS3 is catching up with the 360 in install base, outselling the 360 in all major territorees in 2008. Major multiplats and exclusives (according to reviews) are better on the PS3 in 2008. Developers are now more comfortable with developing on the PS3. Most analysts expect the 360 to lose the console war. Sony invested much more heavily on first and 2nd parties than Microsoft.

Illusion 2: Charging less at the store will make Xbox 360 cheaper.So the 360 costs less than the PS3 at the store. But after a few years of ownership?

Reality: LIVE fees costs $50 per year. Add-ons are generally more expensive than the PS3's. After 5 years, expect to pay an extra $250, more if you buy add-ons like Wirless and hard-drives.

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2006 or earlier.Fanboys and Microsoft people alike, has been trying to say the 360 is equally powerful as the PS3. Liars, I say.

Reality: The PS3 has the biggest and most advanced games. The latest major games, multiplats and exclusives, now look or play better on the PS3. More reviews tout PS3 games as the ones that cannot be made on other consoles. PS3 games continue to hold the edge in size and scale.

Illusion 4: Reliabilty should not be an issue because Microsoft offers a 3 year warranty.Really?

Reality: It is a very big issue. There is the inconvenience of filling out forms and waiting for a fixed console to arrive. Plus, the warranty only lasts 3 yrs. By this holiday alone, that warranty will be over for more than a million gamers.

Illusion 5: Make a few kiddy games, offer LIVE Silver, sell a feature-deprived, cheap console and casuals will come.I don't think so.

Reality: Kiddy games don't sell well on the 360. LIVE Silver doesn't let you play online games for free. Casuals don't play games enough to justify paying for $60 games AND $50 yearly fees just to play online.

Illusion 6: Microsoft gives gamers the option to watch next-gen DVD movies by selling the HD-DVD add-on.

Reality: Without Blu-ray support, Microsoft actually doesn't give their gamers the option to watch next-gen DVD movies at all now that Blu-ray is the only next-gen DVD movie format. They screwed their fans by telling them that HD-DVD was better than Blu-ray. Hundreds and thousands of Xbox 360 owners now have an obsolete add-on.

Illusion 7: Gamers buy consoles only to play games. Really?

Reality: PS3 owners get to play HD games AND watch Blu-ray movies. As such, they get the most out of their HD-TVs.

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.Chutebox

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

360 has the best game library, best oncoming game line up, and best online service.

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

Jaysonguy

:lol: Grand Theft Auto incomplete. I can assure you, it's the full game. Microsoft is getting short on games while Sony is announcing a crap load of new IPs.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

dream431ca

:lol: Grand Theft Auto incomplete. I can assure you, it's the full game. Microsoft is getting short on games while Sony is announcing a crap load of new IPs.

anyone can just announce games but delivering them is not sonys strong points

360 has the best game library, best oncoming game line up, and best online service.

HawtHawt

You forgot to add "imo".

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

Jaysonguy

LOL. You still believe in the illusions, apparently.

Another illusion: A game isn't complete unless you BUY the exapnsions. Keep the illusion coming, Microsoft and fanboys. A house of cards will crumble over time.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

ParadiddleFill

:lol: Grand Theft Auto incomplete. I can assure you, it's the full game. Microsoft is getting short on games while Sony is announcing a crap load of new IPs.

anyone can just announce games but delivering them is not sonys strong points

:? That doesn't make sense.

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft uto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

Jaysonguy

Microsoft is not wiping the floor theyhave an advantage and a lead over the PS3 due to Sony's own screw-ups and being out a year earlier. Microsoft would have hhad better online then Sony regardless of anything because they have been in the field longer and are more experienced.

GTA4 and Fallout 3 are not incomplete by any means. DLC is a bonus for 360 owners period, keep your fanboy garbage out of it.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

dream431ca

:lol: Grand Theft Auto incomplete. I can assure you, it's the full game. Microsoft is getting short on games while Sony is announcing a crap load of new IPs.

anyone can just announce games but delivering them is not sonys strong points

:? That doesn't make sense.

sony can announce a million new ips doesnt mean they will be out anytime soon, how many new sony ips are either tba or dont even have a title yet

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.dream431ca

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

We never see posts other than anti-360 threads from this guy. He never...argh nvm. I wonder what exactly does he want? Does he want every 360 owner to sell their console and buy a PS3? I just don't know lol.

I knew it was him and I still posted in this thread...

Actually good read, I just expected another fanboyish list of reasons but yours are actually well thought out. I just want to note that the "illusions" arent really of MS's doing but more of MS's fanboys.

And as for illusion 7 it just brought back many fond memories of SW fanboys claiming that a console would never affect a format war and gamers dont buy games. Well know hopefully most know better.

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2006 or earlier.Fanboys and Microsoft people alike, has been trying to say the 360 is equally powerful as the PS3. Liars, I say.

Reality: The PS3 has the biggest and most advanced games. The latest major games, multiplats and exclusives, now look or play better on the PS3. More reviews tout PS3 games as the ones that cannot be made on other consoles. PS3 games continue to hold the edge in size and scale.

Sihanouk

i have yet to see a PS3 game that could not be pulled off on a 360, and yes, that includes MGS4.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.dream431ca

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Not that...TC has made 5 of them already today.....It's funny how much time someone will put into hating on another console..

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.dream431ca

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

LOL, exactly.

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

Jaysonguy

I wouldn't call 4.5 mil lead "wiping the floor" when you consider that Microsoft had a whole year ahead of Sony. But yes Microsoft is doing well. It has a lot of good games and since Microsoft has landfills of money thwy can buy some time exclusives for games like The Last Remnant and Rock Band 2, but Sony has alot more inhouse stuff. Like I said this generation is gonna be interesting.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.masiisam

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Not that...TC has made 5 of them already today.....It's funny how much time someone will put into hating on another console..

Maybe he does hate it, but his posts are not filled with hate, calm down guys.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.dream431ca

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Discussions from rational people about games?

I believe Microsoft is the sneakiest of all the major gaming companies. That's because it seems to employ marketing illusions on gamers.

Illusion 1: The first console to have a larger install base and a better libary of games will continue to do so throughout this generation.Seems good so far. Microsoft launched first and currently has a larger install base and a better libray of games. Will this advantage holds? I don't think so.

I somewhat agree with you on this one but only time will tell.

Illusion 2: Charging less at the store will make Xbox 360 cheaper.

Again, somewhat true, but somtimes the store price is what drives the buyer's desicion in the first place.

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2007 or earlier.

I have always felt that the PS3 was the stronger machine but that devs still haven't been able to fully utilize its power. But, with the exception of Burnout Paradise, could you please tell me which of these "many multi-plats" are better looking on PS3?

Illusion 4: Reliabilty should not be an issue because Microsoft offers a 3 year warranty.

I agree with you. I still know people that have sent out their consoles multiple times because it wasn't fixed right the first time.

Illusion 5: Make a few kiddy games, offer LIVE Silver, sell a feature-deprived, cheap console and casuals will come.

I agree that it's bad strategy but if that's what the person wants to buy, they'll buy it.

Illusion 6: Microsoft gives gamers the option to watch next-gen DVD movies by selling the HD-DVD add-on and not force it on their consumers like Sony.

A great deal of XBL Marketplace movies come in HD. For the people who actually do have HD-DVDs, the add-on is only $70 in most places so it's a good buy for them.

Illusion 7: Gamers buy consoles only to play games. Really?

Of course they don't. Realistically speaking the PS3 is one of the cheapest Blu-Ray players on the market and it comes from a trusted brand name.

Sihanouk

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2006 or earlier.Fanboys and Microsoft people alike, has been trying to say the 360 is equally powerful as the PS3. Liars, I say.

Reality: The PS3 has the biggest and most advanced games. The latest major games, multiplats and exclusives, now look or play better on the PS3. More reviews tout PS3 games as the ones that cannot be made on other consoles. PS3 games continue to hold the edge in size and scale.

clone01

i have yet to see a PS3 game that could not be pulled off on a 360, and yes, that includes MGS4.

Uncharted would be pretty hard. The textures by themselves add up to 15GB.

[QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.bloodling

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Not that...TC has made 5 of them already today.....It's funny how much time someone will put into hating on another console..

Maybe he does hate it, but his posts are not filled with hate, calm down guys.

Look at the front page of SW, he already has like 5 threads and they are all similar, if not the same..

None of this concerns a person who already owns a 360. (me)

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2006 or earlier.Fanboys and Microsoft people alike, has been trying to say the 360 is equally powerful as the PS3. Liars, I say.

Reality: The PS3 has the biggest and most advanced games. The latest major games, multiplats and exclusives, now look or play better on the PS3. More reviews tout PS3 games as the ones that cannot be made on other consoles. PS3 games continue to hold the edge in size and scale.

dream431ca

i have yet to see a PS3 game that could not be pulled off on a 360, and yes, that includes MGS4.

Uncharted would be pretty hard. The textures by themselves add up to 15GB.

nevertheless, it could be done (might need more than one disc, but certainly possible). my point is, when it comes down to it, both systems are about the same in performance. sure, maybe the PS3 has a slight edge under the hood, but i have yet to see definitive proof of superiority. granted, i could be proven wrong. time will tell, i guess.

[QUOTE="bloodling"][QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.TheRealMC01

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Not that...TC has made 5 of them already today.....It's funny how much time someone will put into hating on another console..

Maybe he does hate it, but his posts are not filled with hate, calm down guys.

Look at the front page of SW, he already has like 5 threads.

Yes, looks like he has lots of things to say about it. Just like Xbox fanboys... right?

None of this concerns a person who already owns a 360. (me)

JPOBS

Exactly

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You can make all the excuses you like, still doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is wiping the floor with Sony, ringing it out, then setting it on fire.

Microsoft has the better games, online service, and media (with the added Netflix)

Sony has......well, unfulfilled promises

Oh yeah Sony also has incomplete games like Grand Theft Auto and Fallout 3. Wouldn't be a Sony game unless it played worse then the 360, looked worse then the 360, and then tossed in less content to boot!

Sihanouk

LOL. You still believe in the illusions, apparently.

Another illusion: A game isn't complete unless you BUY the exapnsions. Keep the illusion coming, Microsoft and fanboys. A house of cards will crumble over time.

Awesome, and a car isn't complete unless you buy the gas

Sony owners have been keeping their PS3's on blocks for a while now and it doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon

Microsoft give users things now, Sony promises that one day they'll be best. When that will be? No idea. How that'll be done? No idea.

Just give Sony your money and hope for the best.

I meant to ask in my previous post, does Sony actually call it's users R&D? I mean that's what all the money is going for, nothing right now, just to develop something in the future.

[QUOTE="TheRealMC01"][QUOTE="bloodling"][QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.bloodling

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Not that...TC has made 5 of them already today.....It's funny how much time someone will put into hating on another console..

Maybe he does hate it, but his posts are not filled with hate, calm down guys.

Look at the front page of SW, he already has like 5 threads.

Yes, looks like he has lots of things to say about it. Just like Xbox fanboys... right?

Does that make it right? I don't see any 360 fanboys doing this anyway, atleast not since saolin.

[QUOTE="bloodling"][QUOTE="TheRealMC01"][QUOTE="bloodling"][QUOTE="masiisam"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.TheRealMC01

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

Not that...TC has made 5 of them already today.....It's funny how much time someone will put into hating on another console..

Maybe he does hate it, but his posts are not filled with hate, calm down guys.

Look at the front page of SW, he already has like 5 threads.

Yes, looks like he has lots of things to say about it. Just like Xbox fanboys... right?

Does that make it right? I don't see any 360 fanboys doing this anyway, atleast not since saolin.

I wouldn't be crying in their thread if there were. Anyway, I checked his other posts and they are not the same... You fanboys always find something to complain.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2006 or earlier.Fanboys and Microsoft people alike, has been trying to say the 360 is equally powerful as the PS3. Liars, I say.

Reality: The PS3 has the biggest and most advanced games. The latest major games, multiplats and exclusives, now look or play better on the PS3. More reviews tout PS3 games as the ones that cannot be made on other consoles. PS3 games continue to hold the edge in size and scale.

dream431ca

i have yet to see a PS3 game that could not be pulled off on a 360, and yes, that includes MGS4.

Uncharted would be pretty hard. The textures by themselves add up to 15GB.

and yet mgs 4 is 35 gigs thats with all the uncompressed textures and uncompressed sound, *odd how the textures dont look so great being uncompressed* its a simple fact with smart compression they could be taken down to fit 1-2 dvds mgs 4 could work on 360 and better too ;) the same with uncharted since nearly all its graphical prowess was at the expense of AI and bad level design.

[QUOTE="TheRealMC01"]Does that make it right? I don't see any 360 fanboys doing this anyway, atleast not since saolin.

bloodling

I wouldn't be crying in their thread if there were. Anyway, I checked his other posts and they are not the same... You fanboys always find something to complain.

How am i the one complaining when he spams the forum with the same "Microsoft does this wrong" and "Microsfot does that wrong"? He bashes Microsoft in every one of them... they ARE the same. I couldn't care less what he actually has to say but there is absolutely no reason to spam the forums like he does.

No PS3 online sucks no matter what you say, even though its free the 50 dollars for live is worth it. The one good exclusive the PS3 has, is not really a good online game and really is only amazing with the story. Still MGS4 is a great game and will probably win GOTY but it does not beat all the 360 exclusives. 2 HUGE reasons why the 360 is better.torontomapleafs

plus warhawk is a 8 for just a online game and because of no single player that is why it score an 8.

mgs 4 is not the only good exclusive game for the ps 3. if so then i guess only gta 4 and mgs 4 are the only good games this gen.

these fanboys are so bad nowadays with this no good games stuff.

why does the ps 3 on-line sucks when you have almost no lag in most games isn't that what most important thing is when playing on-line or is as 360 fans say chatting is the most important thing.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Please stop making these anti-360 threads, even I'm sick fo them.dream431ca

Why would this forum be called system wars then?

man im just waiting for that nuclear bomb to end this damn war

[QUOTE="bloodling"][QUOTE="TheRealMC01"]Does that make it right? I don't see any 360 fanboys doing this anyway, atleast not since saolin.

TheRealMC01

I wouldn't be crying in their thread if there were. Anyway, I checked his other posts and they are not the same... You fanboys always find something to complain.

How am i the one complaining when he spams the forum with the same "Microsoft does this wrong" and "Microsfot does that wrong"? He bashes Microsoft in every one of them... they ARE the same. I couldn't care less what he actually has to say but there is absolutely no reason to spam the forums like he does.

I used to see lots and lots of threads bashing Sony and I didn't post in any of them. But I agree that his other posts aren't very interesting so I see why you see this as spam.

I believe Microsoft is the sneakiest of all the major gaming companies. That's because it seems to employ marketing illusions on gamers.

Illusion 1: The first console to have a larger install base and a better libary of games will continue to do so throughout this generation.Seems good so far. Microsoft launched first and currently has a larger install base and a better libray of games. Will this advantage holds? I don't think so.

SPIN: The PS3 is catching up with the 360 in install base, outselling the 360 in all major territorees in 2008. Major multiplats and exclusives (according to reviews) are better on the PS3 in 2008. Developers are now more comfortable with developing on the PS3. Most analysts expect the 360 to lose the console war. Sony invested much more heavily on first and 2nd parties than Microsoft.

Reality: 360 is leading the PS3. It will be a continuous tug-of-war with price drops and great games from both camps. The PS3 is playing catch-up because it has no other choice but to do so.

Illusion 2: Charging less at the store will make Xbox 360 cheaper.So the 360 costs less than the PS3 at the store. But after a few years of ownership?

DEAD HORSE BEATEN AGAIN (please let him rest in peace): LIVE fees costs $50 per year. Add-ons are generally more expensive than the PS3's. After 5 years, expect to pay an extra $250, more if you buy add-ons like Wirless and hard-drives.

This argument again? There is no winner here. Live fees are well worth the cost. Wireless and additional hard-drives are not required to enjoy the console to their fullest.

Illusion 3: Console power is based on multiplats and games that came out in 2006 or earlier.Fanboys and Microsoft people alike, has been trying to say the 360 is equally powerful as the PS3. Liars, I say.

SPIN: The PS3 has the biggest and most advanced games. The latest major games, multiplats and exclusives, now look or play better on the PS3. More reviews tout PS3 games as the ones that cannot be made on other consoles. PS3 games continue to hold the edge in size and scale.

REALITY: ... as opposed to your illusion that console power is based on multiplats and games taht game out in 2008? Current multiplat games that do look better on PS3 only looks marginally better at best. You can't discount the pre 2007 360 library at your convenience. Size and scale? Like the short gameplay of Uncharted and Heavenly Sword? Or the redundant data copying in Resistance?

Illusion 4: Reliabilty should not be an issue because Microsoft offers a 3 year warranty.Really?

SPIN: It is a very big issue. There is the inconvenience of filling out forms and waiting for a fixed console to arrive. Plus, the warranty only lasts 3 yrs. By this holiday alone, that warranty will be over for more than a million gamers.

REALITY: MS has been very forthright on the matter. They recognize the problem and is making good by extending the warranty, and making repairs. The service is relatively prompt. Yet, despite the inconvenience, the consoles continue to sell.

Illusion 5: Make a few kiddy games, offer LIVE Silver, sell a feature-deprived, cheap console and casuals will come.I don't think so.

SPIN: Kiddy games don't sell well on the 360. LIVE Silver doesn't let you play online games for free. Casuals don't play games enough to justify paying for $60 games AND $50 yearly fees just to play online.

These features are not meant to appeal to the core gamers on the 360. They're there so that they don't ignore the more casual market. Casuals can dip their feet into the Live experience with Silver that comes with free online play for a month. The lower ends SKUs aren't nearly as prominent as the baseline Pro model... pretty much rendering Illusion 5 moot.

Illusion 6: Microsoft gives gamers the option to watch next-gen DVD movies by selling the HD-DVD add-on.

GRASPING FOR STRAWS: Without Blu-ray support, Microsoft actually doesn't give their gamers the option to watch next-gen DVD movies at all now that Blu-ray is the only next-gen DVD movie format. They screwed their fans by telling them that HD-DVD was better than Blu-ray. Hundreds and thousands of Xbox 360 owners now have an obsolete add-on.

When did MS say this? Yes... that's right... when the HDDVD was still active. How is this currently relevant in today's context? It's not.

Illusion 7: Gamers buy consoles only to play games. Really?

SPIN: PS3 owners get to play HD games AND watch Blu-ray movies. As such, they get the most out of their HD-TVs.

REALITY: Only to play games? If that was the case, MS would have added things like media streaming and the video markeplace.

Sihanouk

Woah... I hope you're not too dizzy there... what with all that spin in your post. First, I'd like to see links to where MS claimed any of those things you listed.

Second, "Illusion" implies deceipt. MS has been the most up-front about problems compared to Sony. How's this for illusion:

The power of the cell processor will produce 4th dimension gaming: with all that power, the PS3 produces current games that are only marginally better looking that their 360 counterparts... at best.

Blu ray is necessary: so necessary that many games must be partially installed to the HDD to compensate for the slow drive speed.

"Oh no, the Killzone 2 trailer is totally realtime": self explanatory

Home: it will launch its open beta this fall. At this rate the new 360 dash will launch before Home goes into full production