xbox 360 more expensive than ps3, ps3=better investment

let me explain. First of all the PS3 is 400 dollars and the xbox 360 (pro) is 300 elite 400

okay so in the ps3 it comes with wireless internet, free online, and a controller with an already rechargable battery, and a bluray player

the 360 comes with a controller that you would have to buy batteries for or buy a rechargable battery pack, and hdmi cables. (I don't know if the pro does.) for the 360 you have to pay 50 dollars a year for live

so this is what it boils down to.

PS3=$400+100(hdmi cables may be cheaper)or +$20(hd cables)=$420-$500

xbox360=$300-$400+ $50x(amount of years for live, we will say two years for now which is not that long)+$11(battery pack) or batteries. +100(wireless adapter)=$$511-$611

so contrary to popular opinion, the xbox will wind up costing you more even without getter blu-ray

(by the way i have both systems. I'm no fanboy.)

Does the PS3 have a good value, yes it does. But is it less expensive, uhm no. Thats all that matters to consumers when they see the price tag buddy. And congrats on this thread, I don't think anyone has heard this argument before.Grady420

so thats why so many more people are buying PS3 games and consoles!!...oh wait :?ImOldGreg

LOL.

ps3=better investment

360=better games

end of story.

[QUOTE="Grady420"]Does the PS3 have a good value, yes it does. But is it less expensive, uhm no. Thats all that matters to consumers when they see the price tag buddy. And congrats on this thread, I don't think anyone has heard this argument before.Titans23

[QUOTE="Grady420"]Does the PS3 have a good value, yes it does. But is it less expensive, uhm no. Thats all that matters to consumers when they see the price tag buddy. And congrats on this thread, I don't think anyone has heard this argument before.Titans23

let me explain. First of all the PS3 is 400 dollars and the xbox 360 (pro) is 300 elite 400

okay so in the ps3 it comes with wireless internet, free online, and a controller with an already rechargable battery, and a bluray player

the 360 comes with a controller that you would have to buy batteries for or buy a rechargable battery pack, and hdmi cables. (I don't know if the pro does.) for the 360 you have to pay 50 dollars a year for live

so this is what it boils down to.

PS3=$400+100(hdmi cables may be cheaper)or +$20(hd cables)=$420-$500

xbox360=$300-$400+ $50x(amount of years for live, we will say two years for now which is not that long)+$11(battery pack) or batteries. +100(wireless adapter)=$$511-$611

so contrary to popular opinion, the xbox will wind up costing you more even without getter blu-ray

(by the way i have both systems. I'm no fanboy.)

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]so thats why so many more people are buying PS3 games and consoles!!...oh wait :?bobcheeseball

LOL.

ps3=better investment

360=better games

end of story.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Grady420"] yeah it is less expensive, that's what this whole thing was about....theMarshell

let me explain. First of all the PS3 is 400 dollars and the xbox 360 (pro) is 300 elite 400

okay so in the ps3 it comes with wireless internet, free online, and a controller with an already rechargable battery, and a bluray player

the 360 comes with a controller that you would have to buy batteries for or buy a rechargable battery pack, and hdmi cables. (I don't know if the pro does.) for the 360 you have to pay 50 dollars a year for live

so this is what it boils down to.

PS3=$400+100(hdmi cables may be cheaper)or +$20(hd cables)=$420-$500

xbox360=$300-$400+ $50x(amount of years for live, we will say two years for now which is not that long)+$11(battery pack) or batteries. +100(wireless adapter)=$$511-$611

so contrary to popular opinion, the xbox will wind up costing you more even without getter blu-ray

(by the way i have both systems. I'm no fanboy.)

let me explain. First of all the PS3 is 400 dollars and the xbox 360 (pro) is 300 elite 400

okay so in the ps3 it comes with wireless internet, free online, and a controller with an already rechargable battery, and a bluray player

the 360 comes with a controller that you would have to buy batteries for or buy a rechargable battery pack, and hdmi cables. (I don't know if the pro does.) for the 360 you have to pay 50 dollars a year for live

so this is what it boils down to.

PS3=$400+100(hdmi cables may be cheaper)or +$20(hd cables)=$420-$500

xbox360=$300-$400+ $50x(amount of years for live, we will say two years for now which is not that long)+$11(battery pack) or batteries. +100(wireless adapter)=$$511-$611

so contrary to popular opinion, the xbox will wind up costing you more even without getter blu-ray

(by the way i have both systems. I'm no fanboy.)

Titans23

Something doesn't work here, not everybody needs the wireless adapter. In fact my router is right behind my TV and so I'm just using the Xbox 360's Ethernet cable. This provides a steady connection that won't drop due to signal problems and is overall much better then wireless.

Of course Wireless is something a lot of people need but not all of them do.

Plus you're totally ignoring the Arcade pack; this one sold well and it costs only 200$

Why is it in 3rd place then? Do you have an answer to that?

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]so thats why so many more people are buying PS3 games and consoles!!...oh wait :?bobcheeseball

LOL.

ps3=better investment

360=better games

end of story.

lol so true.

let me explain. First of all the PS3 is 400 dollars and the xbox 360 (pro) is 300 elite 400

okay so in the ps3 it comes with wireless internet, free online, and a controller with an already rechargable battery, and a bluray player

the 360 comes with a controller that you would have to buy batteries for or buy a rechargable battery pack, and hdmi cables. (I don't know if the pro does.) for the 360 you have to pay 50 dollars a year for live

so this is what it boils down to.

PS3=$400+100(hdmi cables may be cheaper)or +$20(hd cables)=$420-$500

xbox360=$300-$400+ $50x(amount of years for live, we will say two years for now which is not that long)+$11(battery pack) or batteries. +100(wireless adapter)=$$511-$611

so contrary to popular opinion, the xbox will wind up costing you more even without getter blu-ray

(by the way i have both systems. I'm no fanboy.)

Titans23

GAMES, what about the games??? What if I rather play X360 games??? Is that so hard to understand?

[QUOTE="Grady420"]Does the PS3 have a good value, yes it does. But is it less expensive, uhm no. Thats all that matters to consumers when they see the price tag buddy. And congrats on this thread, I don't think anyone has heard this argument before.Titans23

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

[QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]so thats why so many more people are buying PS3 games and consoles!!...oh wait :?Titans23

LOL.

ps3=better investment

360=better games

end of story.

360 has 16 AAA and 111 AA games on Gamerankings, PS3 has 10 AAA games and 68 AA games (excuse my counting, may be a little inaccurate)

What about the fact that you need an HDTV to use Blu-ray in its best quality. Why do people like you come here to make a system look bad, what are you gaining from this nothing so leave it alone. theMarshell

People above you talked about the HDTV, and people come here to make other systems look bad because thats what this section is for basically. It's called SYSTEM WARS, it's for people who don't like the other systems. Ever think of that?

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

LOL.

ps3=better investment

360=better games

end of story.

-DrRobotnik-

360 has 16 AAA and 111 AA games on Gamerankings, PS3 has 10 AAA games and 68 AA games (excuse my counting, may be a little inaccurate)

You're also talking about a system with a significant advantage temporally speaking. If the PS3 had been released in a similar time frame, the numbers would likely be equal.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

LOL.

ps3=better investment

360=better games

end of story.

-DrRobotnik-

360 has 16 AAA and 111 AA games on Gamerankings, PS3 has 10 AAA games and 68 AA games (excuse my counting, may be a little inaccurate)

Maybe because the 360 was out before the PS3, and that gives them more time to make more games. Now if they came out on the same time then this would be a good argument, but they didn't so this argument failed.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Titans23"] i don't see how 360 has better games....yay go gears of war 2! what else?drj077

360 has 16 AAA and 111 AA games on Gamerankings, PS3 has 10 AAA games and 68 AA games (excuse my counting, may be a little inaccurate)

You're also talking about a system with a significant advantage temporally speaking. If the PS3 had been released in a similar time frame, the numbers would likely be equal.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="Titans23"] i don't see how 360 has better games....yay go gears of war 2! what else?koolaidWTF

360 has 16 AAA and 111 AA games on Gamerankings, PS3 has 10 AAA games and 68 AA games (excuse my counting, may be a little inaccurate)

Maybe because the 360 was out before the PS3, and that gives them more time to make more games. Now if they came out on the same time then this would be a good argument, but they didn't so this argument failed.

When I bought my nephew a 360 I saw $199, not $199+$11 for a battery pack+$50 for XBL, just $199. I payed $199 for and I have the receipt. I don't see anything anywhere where it says I payed $610.

It's funny how these threads have risen again after the November NPD....

[QUOTE="drj077"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

360 has 16 AAA and 111 AA games on Gamerankings, PS3 has 10 AAA games and 68 AA games (excuse my counting, may be a little inaccurate) cuddlesofwar

You're also talking about a system with a significant advantage temporally speaking. If the PS3 had been released in a similar time frame, the numbers would likely be equal.

Yes, you can actually. The PS3 has the best multiplayer experience in the forms of R2 and Warhawk along with all the various Tom Clancy games. IT has great RPGs with one of them being highly under-rated in the form of Valkyria Chronicles. It also has what is probably one of the best platformers of this generation with the common opinion being that it a great game with Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction. The system also has the game with the most diverse story and highest rating with the exception of GTA IV (also on PS3) in the form of MGS4. All other sports games are available. Fallout 3, Oblivion, DeadSpace, Eternal Sonata, etc. are all found on the system. If you honestly can't find something to play with the built in wireless, free online, Blue-tooth capabiltiy and built-in Blu-ray, then you have far worse problems than gaming.

When I bought my nephew a 360 I saw $199, not $199+$11 for a battery pack+$50 for XBL, just $199. I payed $199 for and I have the receipt. I don't see anything anywhere where it says I payed $610.

It's funny how these threads have risen again after the November NPD....

sargentbotk

I have to actually agree here. The stuff that he has listed before this are "add-ons" and their not necessary well at least for some people. People really never "need" them rather than wanting them very much. Also some of the stuff like this that the PS3 includes, is it as good as what you pay for? Or did they just give it a crappy feeling and charge nothing?

[QUOTE="cuddlesofwar"][QUOTE="drj077"]

You're also talking about a system with a significant advantage temporally speaking. If the PS3 had been released in a similar time frame, the numbers would likely be equal.

drj077

Yes, you can actually. The PS3 has the best multiplayer experience in the forms of R2 and Warhawk along with all the various Tom Clancy games. IT has great RPGs with one of them being highly under-rated in the form of Valkyria Chronicles. It also has what is probably one of the best platformers of this generation with the common opinion being that it a great game with Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction. The system also has the game with the most diverse story and highest rating with the exception of GTA IV (also on PS3) in the form of MGS4. All other sports games are available. Fallout 3, Oblivion, DeadSpace, Eternal Sonata, etc. are all found on the system. If you honestly can't find something to play with the built in wireless, free online, Blue-tooth capabiltiy and built-in Blu-ray, then you have far worse problems than gaming.

This wall of text adds nothing to the thread. How is WarHawk or R2 better then Halo3? They're not. Simple. No argument. Halo has better support, better community, better events AND is infinately more popular, it's the WoW of Console games. A) It's all subjective. B) Xbox has more diversity. C) Xbox has more, and better games, according to "Popular belief" D) Xbox = £130 PS3 = $298.

Got my 360 which includes 20gb HDD for a total of $220 plus online gaming is not a necessity so some of us don't pay $50 a year for live gold. Bigboi500

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Got my 360 which includes 20gb HDD for a total of $220 plus online gaming is not a necessity so some of us don't pay $50 a year for live gold. drj077

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

[QUOTE="drj077"][QUOTE="cuddlesofwar"] Can i play the ifs and buts?cuddlesofwar

Yes, you can actually. The PS3 has the best multiplayer experience in the forms of R2 and Warhawk along with all the various Tom Clancy games. IT has great RPGs with one of them being highly under-rated in the form of Valkyria Chronicles. It also has what is probably one of the best platformers of this generation with the common opinion being that it a great game with Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction. The system also has the game with the most diverse story and highest rating with the exception of GTA IV (also on PS3) in the form of MGS4. All other sports games are available. Fallout 3, Oblivion, DeadSpace, Eternal Sonata, etc. are all found on the system. If you honestly can't find something to play with the built in wireless, free online, Blue-tooth capabiltiy and built-in Blu-ray, then you have far worse problems than gaming.

This wall of text adds nothing to the thread. How is WarHawk or R2 better then Halo3? They're not. Simple. No argument. Halo has better support, better community, better events AND is infinately more popular, it's the WoW of Console games. A) It's all subjective. B) Xbox has more diversity. C) Xbox has more, and better games, according to "Popular belief" D) Xbox = £130 PS3 = $298.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Got my 360 which includes 20gb HDD for a total of $220 plus online gaming is not a necessity so some of us don't pay $50 a year for live gold. drj077

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

[QUOTE="cuddlesofwar"][QUOTE="drj077"]

Yes, you can actually. The PS3 has the best multiplayer experience in the forms of R2 and Warhawk along with all the various Tom Clancy games. IT has great RPGs with one of them being highly under-rated in the form of Valkyria Chronicles. It also has what is probably one of the best platformers of this generation with the common opinion being that it a great game with Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction. The system also has the game with the most diverse story and highest rating with the exception of GTA IV (also on PS3) in the form of MGS4. All other sports games are available. Fallout 3, Oblivion, DeadSpace, Eternal Sonata, etc. are all found on the system. If you honestly can't find something to play with the built in wireless, free online, Blue-tooth capabiltiy and built-in Blu-ray, then you have far worse problems than gaming.

drj077

This wall of text adds nothing to the thread. How is WarHawk or R2 better then Halo3? They're not. Simple. No argument. Halo has better support, better community, better events AND is infinately more popular, it's the WoW of Console games. A) It's all subjective. B) Xbox has more diversity. C) Xbox has more, and better games, according to "Popular belief" D) Xbox = £130 PS3 = $298.

[QUOTE="drj077"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Got my 360 which includes 20gb HDD for a total of $220 plus online gaming is not a necessity so some of us don't pay $50 a year for live gold. -DrRobotnik-

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

That's the thing, though. In terms of long term committment, the 360 will be cheaper now, but it will devalue faster. The second you take it out of the box, you're out a $100. This isn't true with the PS3. You're right, I can spin this however I want, but this problem is analagous to buying an American-made care right now. You drive it off the lot and it's worth half of what you paid for it. You buy foreign and you don't have that problem. That's why I own a brand new Toyota Corolla.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="drj077"]

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

drj077

That's the thing, though. In terms of long term committment, the 360 will be cheaper now, but it will devalue faster. The second you take it out of the box, you're out a $100. This isn't true with the PS3. You're right, I can spin this however I want, but this problem is analagous to buying an American-made care right now. You drive it off the lot and it's worth half of what you paid for it. You buy foreign and you don't have that problem. That's why I own a brand new Toyota Corolla.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="drj077"]

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

drj077

That's the thing, though. In terms of long term committment, the 360 will be cheaper now, but it will devalue faster. The second you take it out of the box, you're out a $100. This isn't true with the PS3. You're right, I can spin this however I want, but this problem is analagous to buying an American-made care right now. You drive it off the lot and it's worth half of what you paid for it. You buy foreign and you don't have that problem. That's why I own a brand new Toyota Corolla.

[QUOTE="drj077"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Got my 360 which includes 20gb HDD for a total of $220 plus online gaming is not a necessity so some of us don't pay $50 a year for live gold. cuddlesofwar

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

I can tell that you don't consider the inherant value of things and whether or not it will maintain that value when you purchase your electronics. That is something that concerns me and it's the reason why I only buy quality electronics, cars, etc.

[QUOTE="cuddlesofwar"][QUOTE="drj077"]

That isn't the point. Going spec by spec and offer by offer, the PS3 is the best deal. Especially, if you can find a decent offer and get it for under $300 like I did. A blu-ray player is $200. Built-in wireless and free internet is worth probably over $300-$400 throughout the life on the console. The dual shock 3 controller is $40 on some websites. Plus, you can install a 320 GB hard drive instead of the 80 or whatever you happen to have at the time. The cell processor, hard drive, motherboard, GPU, and ram are probably all worth over $250. That's a lot of good technology for practically a steal.

The 360 doesn't even offer close to similar specs at 2/3s to half the price. And, people continue to buy into this crap. What is really funny is that the system you just bought for $220 is worth half that price now that you took it out of the box while the PS3 continues to hold its value.

Seriously, people need to get a clue on this. It's not rocket science to see which system is the better deal. The 360 with it's three cores, GPU, maybe a hard drive, etc. is incredibly dated technology. My computer that I payed $350 dollars to build is easily 2-3 times as fast as that machine.

drj077

I can tell that you don't consider the inherant value of things and whether or not it will maintain that value when you purchase your electronics. That is something that concerns me and it's the reason why I only buy quality electronics, cars, etc.

[QUOTE="drj077"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"] NOBODY IS ARGUING THAT! My god, you'd think people would read. People accept that the PS3 is BETTER VALUE, BUT! its still more expensive than the 360, no matter what way you spin it. Therefore this thread is now OVER!heretrix

That's the thing, though. In terms of long term committment, the 360 will be cheaper now, but it will devalue faster. The second you take it out of the box, you're out a $100. This isn't true with the PS3. You're right, I can spin this however I want, but this problem is analagous to buying an American-made care right now. You drive it off the lot and it's worth half of what you paid for it. You buy foreign and you don't have that problem. That's why I own a brand new Toyota Corolla.

Amazon.com

PS3 80GB New $399.99 Used $380.00

360 Elite 399.99 New $350.0 used

360 Arcade when I bought it was $299.99. I only managed to get $80 for it used.