xbox 360 needs 2 or more disks to compete with ps3 grahicly and space wise

Storage media (A.k.a. Blue ray disk) has nothing to do with graphics, it's basically what it is a storage media. Now the Xbox 360 can read game discs faster than the ps3 can read blue ray game disk's, although ps3 has faster ability to read dvd disk's, it does not have any games on original disk to play.

pretty sad when the Xbox 1.5 can compete and even win %93 of the multi platforms out there.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="IronBass"]How many 360 games actually need 2 discs?IronBass

Well I'm not too sure but what I've heard is that the second disk is there so we can download more tracks and content to the HDD, we wouldn't be able to get that extra content without that disk...so in a way it was needed.

Blu-Ray does help in making larger games but it doesnt really make the games look better. Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"] Actually the 360 has a 12x DVD Drive. The PS3 Drive is 8x DVD._Peoples_Champ_

Don't forget that Crysis uses alot of repeated resources, such as trees, plants, textures, etc. Also I think much of the vegetation uses procedural generation so instead of storing a bunch of different looking trees of the same species as entire objects in the disc and game data, it's an algorithm that allows for variance but for constants so when you go into a game multiple times, the same tree in the same location always looks the same but different trees in different locations can vary in the number of leaves, branches, etc. Not to sure if Crysis uses PG in this manner, but I think the leaves and branches, not including palm trees, are procedurally generated. Also Crysis like any other game with excellent texture design will use the same textures multiple times, but can vary the look by mapping a flat texture it to a different normal or bump map to give a different effect so you wouldn't even notice or mix the textures + shaders. This would work well with a rock texture where all rocks have different grooves and pits in them but could be of the same material. There are so many tricks and techniques devs can use it's not even funny, but it also saves on disc space. Where it can't really save up on space is RAM because a stored frame of information has to have all that data almalgamized together unless you tile it which can make things a pain. One thing that takes up alot of space though is sound, and as a big plus for the PS3 and games on Blu-Ray discs is you can make a single game disc, and have it possibly store all the localization language tracks on a single disc so as soon as the game loads up, it detects the PS3's region code as well as settings, and sets the language and soundtrack accordingly. mouthforbathory

ok there has been no ps3 games that has 2 disks yet is this gen whyll otherwise xbox 360 games has dozens uv them even two uv da following 2009 exclusives has 2 disks (( forza 3 ( ) splinter cell))) but then the xbox owners want to say there games look better than ps3 games when there games are on 2 disks and ps3 games are on 1 and ps3 games still look better \wickedwaffle

I would take 30 second disc swapping over 10 minute mandatory installs anyday of the week. Blu ray sucks for gaming.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"] Actually the 360 has a 12x DVD Drive. The PS3 Drive is 8x DVD._Peoples_Champ_

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="IronBass"]How many 360 games actually need 2 discs?IronBass

I would take 30 second disc swapping over 10 minute mandatory installs anyday of the week. Blu ray sucks for gaming.

T-Aldous

360 also has a huge DVD drive failure rate and MS doesn't cover it. After your DVD drive burns out you might want to reconsider your stance on installs.

As for people talking about how capacity has nothing to do with graphics they are pretty much dead wrong. That's why you see a lot of 360 games use repetative or low quality textures (Gears 2). If not that then the game is exceedingly short.

We saw Lost Odyssey ship on 4 disks and the cutscenes were all real time. FF 13 will be lucky to ship on only 4 disks but it's likely going to be 5 plus. Star Ocean was rendered unplayable due to disk swapping. And now that new game from ID will be on multiple disks. Even racing games like that fugazi Gran Turismo clone is shipping on 2 disks. If you wanna play the whole game you gotta install the 2nd disk on your propritary overpriced 360 hard drive.

Then what will they do when companies make games that come on multiple blurays? Have the 360 version ship on 20+ dvds?

Face it, DVD is cheap, outdated tech. It's not 1997 anymore I don't use dial up for my internet and I don't use DVD for media.

disc has nothing to do with graphics..you kids need to learn something before you post crap on here..then again dont casue it gives us all a laugh..daveg1

[QUOTE="itsallcasualnow"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

this thread calls for this :D

simslifer

Hideo Kojima is ahead of the times he doesn't want to be stuck in the past

swapping disk is so 1995

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"]

I would take 30 second disc swapping over 10 minute mandatory installs anyday of the week. Blu ray sucks for gaming.

MegajerkNYC

360 also has a huge DVD drive failure rate and MS doesn't cover it. After your DVD drive burns out you might want to reconsider your stance on installs.

As for people talking about how capacity has nothing to do with graphics they are pretty much dead wrong. That's why you see a lot of 360 games use repetative or low quality textures (Gears 2). If not that then the game is exceedingly short.

We saw Lost Odyssey ship on 4 disks and the cutscenes were all real time. FF 13 will be lucky to ship on only 4 disks but it's likely going to be 5 plus. Star Ocean was rendered unplayable due to disk swapping. And now that new game from ID will be on multiple disks. Even racing games like that fugazi Gran Turismo clone is shipping on 2 disks. If you wanna play the whole game you gotta install the 2nd disk on your propritary overpriced 360 hard drive.

Then what will they do when companies make games that come on multiple blurays? Have the 360 version ship on 20+ dvds?

Face it, DVD is cheap, outdated tech. It's not 1997 anymore I don't use dial up for my internet and I don't use DVD for media.

PS. What's the proof that Lost Osyddey doesn't have a lot of video clips? Anyway, what about the multiple soundtracks?

why do you care...weezyfb

Owning both the PS3 and a 360, it's been my thought all along that the PS3 produces cleaner, more stable graphics in most cases. Rabid lemmings will argue this until their keys on their keyboard are rubbed down to nubs and in most cases these fanboys only own a 360, so they are in no position to argue. Man lems can be annoying.

ok there has been no ps3 games that has 2 disks yet is this gen whyll otherwise xbox 360 games has dozens uv them even two uv da following 2009 exclusives has 2 disks (( forza 3 ( ) splinter cell))) but then the xbox owners want to say there games look better than ps3 games when there games are on 2 disks and ps3 games are on 1 and ps3 games still look better \wickedwaffle

I have yet to see a game on the PS3 which outmatchesthe best graphicsthe Xbox 360 has to offer.

[QUOTE="wickedwaffle"]ok there has been no ps3 games that has 2 disks yet is this gen whyll otherwise xbox 360 games has dozens uv them even two uv da following 2009 exclusives has 2 disks (( forza 3 ( ) splinter cell))) but then the xbox owners want to say there games look better than ps3 games when there games are on 2 disks and ps3 games are on 1 and ps3 games still look better \mand_450

I have yet to see a game on the PS3 which outmatchesthe best graphicsthe Xbox 360 has to offer.

Case and point.:roll:

would you guys rather just play the game or switch diskswickedwaffle

Owning both the PS3 and a 360, it's been my thought all along that the PS3 produces cleaner, more stable graphics in most casesgdp72

[QUOTE="wickedwaffle"]ok there has been no ps3 games that has 2 disks yet is this gen whyll otherwise xbox 360 games has dozens uv them even two uv da following 2009 exclusives has 2 disks (( forza 3 ( ) splinter cell))) but then the xbox owners want to say there games look better than ps3 games when there games are on 2 disks and ps3 games are on 1 and ps3 games still look better \mand_450

I have yet to see a game on the PS3 which outmatchesthe best graphicsthe Xbox 360 has to offer.

Oh look, another more storage = better graphics thread...

The OP I can see because they are obviously a troll account, but the people agreeing with them have no excuse.

[QUOTE="mand_450"]

[QUOTE="wickedwaffle"]ok there has been no ps3 games that has 2 disks yet is this gen whyll otherwise xbox 360 games has dozens uv them even two uv da following 2009 exclusives has 2 disks (( forza 3 ( ) splinter cell))) but then the xbox owners want to say there games look better than ps3 games when there games are on 2 disks and ps3 games are on 1 and ps3 games still look better \HuusAsking

I have yet to see a game on the PS3 which outmatchesthe best graphicsthe Xbox 360 has to offer.

Great games graphically. But nothing which has blown me away. Personally, i thought that Killzone was on of the most boring looking games this gen (no fanboysim).

[QUOTE="wickedwaffle"]would you guys rather just play the game or switch diskscutmaclass1

Owning both the PS3 and a 360, it's been my thought all along that the PS3 produces cleaner, more stable graphics in most casesgdp72

I don't play stupid screen-shots like most lemmings tend to do. I play the consoles and I know what I see. There isn't much graphical differences and the ones out there are almost unnoticeable unless you are examining the screens. And again the PS3 tends to run games with less hiccups in many of the games I've played.

Also people who own a PS3, a 360 and a Wii like myself really tend to biased unlike the lemmings who own 360s only. You really got me on the biase part,:roll: