Xbox 720 release delayed due to poor processor quality -report

If they delayed the release, that means they DON'T want to release it in a shoddy state. Meaning there won't be any RRoD, because they'll fix it before they release it. Trust fanboys to spin positive news into something negative.charizard1605

You're out of place. We don't use logic around here.

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The Xbox was more reliable than the PS2, but Microsoft dropped the ball with the 360. The PS1 and PS2 had dogshlt reliability, Sony were lucky with the PS3.

Now that Sony have no money, the PS4 has no chance :lol:

kingtito

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"]What, ps1 and ps2 failure rates were below 10%. 360 's failure rate is the highest in history, so high ms never released a figure.lundy86_4

Do you have anything proving the 10% failure rate?

MS didn't need to release one. Studies pegged it quite regularly. SquareTrade consistently updated their studies.

I don't, all I remember is all three were compared. Nintendo had the lowest failure rate(6-7%) with sony not far behind. I think the original xbox was 12%p4s2p0

That's not going to help validate your claim... At all.

RRoD V2.0 incoming!

http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/06/xbox-720-release-delayed-due-to-manufacturing-issue-report/

Gue1

Ouch. Seems like we'll get more bad hardware from M$.

Eddie-Vedder

Next gen RROD is so advanced it breaks even before release.kuraimen

Lol, is that cooling fan included in every PS3 because I am so jealous???:lol:

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"]I don't, all I remember is all three were compared. Nintendo had the lowest failure rate(6-7%) with sony not far behind. I think the original xbox was 12%lundy86_4

That's not going to help validate your claim... At all.

It would be nice to validate either way since people are saying they had a high failure rate without any evidence to support it. Ms had to extend 360's warranty so it obviously got out of hand compared to the rest. Can ms get it together is what I am interested in.p4s2p0

Agreed.

The 360's was ridiculously high. Similarly, there was a class-action lawsuit against Sony, regarding the PS2 DRE, which was won outright. Sony managed to roll out a fairly solid console in the PS3, and MS have managed to reduce the failure rate considerably. All-in-all, barring a monumental cockup, I think we'll be good.

Regardless of what the article is saying, I hope that MS has learned from the cluster fvck that was the original 360. In their rush to get it out the door, the overlooked some very important things. Cooling being one of them. If they had more time to design the casing I think we would not of see the RRoD so early in the consoles life span.

Ouch. Seems like we'll get more bad hardware from M$.

Eddie-Vedder

When do we not? The Xbox was the most hideous console I have seen, with stupidly large and poorly built controls. Now the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made (maybe not the Slim).

I don't expect to like the nextbox, but hopefully I am wrong.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Ouch. Seems like we'll get more bad hardware from M$.

NaveedLife

When do we not? The Xbox was the most hideous console I have seen, with stupidly large and poorly built controls. Now the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made (maybe not the Slim).

I don't expect to like the nextbox, but hopefully I am wrong.

When do we not? The Xbox was the most hideous console I have seen, with stupidly large and poorly built controls. Now the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made (maybe not the Slim).

NaveedLife

The original XBox was just a tad smaller than the launch PS3 so yeah, huge !

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

When do we not? The Xbox was the most hideous console I have seen, with stupidly large and poorly built controls. Now the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made (maybe not the Slim).

Caseytappy

The original XBox was just a tad smaller than the launch PS3 so yeah, huge !

Lemmings would buy the next xbox even if they resulted in a 50% chance of a house fire :P

Lemmings would buy the next xbox even if they resulted in a 50% chance of a house fire :P

tenaka2

they should just call it RROD 720PressXtoJump

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]do you read your own links you post? " This rumor illuminates Pachters Tuesday comments. We have heard no word yet from Microsoft or Sony about their plans to launch new consoles, but both manufacturers are widely expected to launch consoles by year-end in 2013, said Pachter, Although we believe Microsoft could delay a new console launch until spring of 2014 in order to accommodate what is certain to be overwhelming demand among hardcore gamers. " and the more updated sources, dont use the term yield like you, at alllundy86_4

Pachter's comments were regarding the potential delay, not the issues regarding yield-rates. You seem to be misunderstandingyour own stanceon the subject :lol: Get your argument straight, ok?

Cite the more updated sources (multiple, like you claim). You have yet to do so.

The most recent article quoted in this forum, in another active thread, largely misconstrues the issue along with being months late to the party. In fact, the article is citing SemiAccurate, the initial site which reported the low-yield rates. Your argument is crumbling here...

Link.

Tech news siteSemiAccuratehas stated by way ofOXMthat Xbox 720 will house AMD manufactured processors, rather than the Xbox 360s IBM chips. The site claims that the processors were due to enter production this December, but delays have set in.

Article

The delays regarding the yield rates... Which the site reporting the article seems to misunderstand (even though it has been stated quite plainly, elsewhere.

In fact, the OXM article it directly cites was posted on 6th Sept 2012... Here. Also, the OXM article directly cites SemiAccurate as their source... Again, the site who initially revealed the information back in... September. Meaning, your point regarding theupdatedOXM reportings, are woefully innaccurate.

In fact, OXM strictly state:

The problem, apparently, is that most of the chips coming off the production line aren't good enough to pass testing. That means a lot of duff silicon and a greatly reduced ability to manufacture consoles.

OXM

They are referring to the low-yield rates, as each chipset is tasted on a wafer, and those that do not pass are digitally dyed, meaning they are not up to testing standards. This is what a yield rate is, so maybe you should educate yourself.

Your argument has been demolished. Sit back and cry :lol:

Be quiet. Can't believe I had to post this for your troll-ass again.

So Cows are adding 1 and 1 and coming up with 15 again....typical.

So Cows are adding 1 and 1 and coming up with 15 again....typical.

Bruce_Benzing

Pretty much. It's kind of sad.

Especially funny, that this was reported on months ago, and the current article is written horrendously. Yet Cows still eat it up.

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Ouch. Seems like we'll get more bad hardware from M$.

Pro_wrestler

When do we not? The Xbox was the most hideous console I have seen, with stupidly large and poorly built controls. Now the 360 is the most unreliable console ever made (maybe not the Slim).

I don't expect to like the nextbox, but hopefully I am wrong.

Are cows forgetting the failure that was DRE? If Sony can make a reliable console after the mess that was the ps2, then MS can do the same. The original Xbox is more sturdy than than the ps1 and ps2.Kaszilla

not even comparable. Xbox failure rate is easily the highest in the history of any electronic equipment. The fact that the Xbox 360 is still in the market is in itself a miracle. Only something that a powerful company like M$ could have achived.

Why you guys want to deny this? I don't know a single person that hasn't gone through at the very least 2 Xbox. Right now, I have a friend that bought his 4th Xbox just for Halo 4... 4 freaking Xbox! :o

Look up for an article or something stating that the PS2 failure rate was anywhere near to the Xbox. Try to prove it in some way if you can.

not even comparable. Xbox failure rate is easily the highest in the history of any electronic equipment.

Gue1

Feel free to prove this. I'm gonna nip the "It's just common sense" argument in the bud, right now. It's not common sense.

The fact that the Xbox 360 is still in the market is in itself a miracle. Only something that a powerful company like M$ could have achived.

Gue1

Yet it still beats the PS3... Yeah. Don't get on your high horse from last place, ok?

Why you guys want to deny this? I don't know a single person that hasn't gone through at the very least 2 Xbox. Right now, I have a friend that bought his 4th Xbox just for Halo 4... 4 freaking Xbox! :o

Gue1

Look up for an article saying that say that the PS2 failure rate was anywhere near to the Xbox. Prove it in some way if you can.

Gue1

Kaszilla never actually said that the failure rate was close. Why would he prove what he didn't state? Duh.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]Are cows forgetting the failure that was DRE? If Sony can make a reliable console after the mess that was the ps2, then MS can do the same. The original Xbox is more sturdy than than the ps1 and ps2.Gue1

not even comparable. Xbox failure rate is easily the highest in the history of any electronic equipment. The fact that the Xbox 360 is still in the market is in itself a miracle. Only something that a powerful company like M$ could have achived.

Why you guys want to deny this? I don't know a single person that hasn't gone through at the very least 2 Xbox. Right now, I have a friend that bought his 4th Xbox just for Halo 4... 4 freaking Xbox! :o

Look up for an article or something stating that the PS2 failure rate was anywhere near to the Xbox. Try to prove it in some way if you can.

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

not even comparable. Xbox failure rate is easily the highest in the history of any electronic equipment.

lundy86_4

Feel free to prove this. I'm gonna nip the "It's just common sense" argument in the bud, right now. It's not common sense.

The fact that the Xbox 360 is still in the market is in itself a miracle. Only something that a powerful company like M$ could have achived.

Gue1

Yet it still beats the PS3... Yeah. Don't get on your high horse from last place, ok?

Why you guys want to deny this? I don't know a single person that hasn't gone through at the very least 2 Xbox. Right now, I have a friend that bought his 4th Xbox just for Halo 4... 4 freaking Xbox! :o

Gue1

Look up for an article saying that say that the PS2 failure rate was anywhere near to the Xbox. Prove it in some way if you can.

Gue1

Kaszilla never actually said that the failure rate was close. Why would he prove what he didn't state? Duh.

He made this thread thinking he would be clever and try to claim ownage over 360 owners, now he's damage controlling because it backfired on him big time because the article itself is evidence against what he is suggesting in the first place, The fact that they are delaying the release says it all, That MS is not going to put another shoddy console to market, NOT evidence that the next Xbox will be as faulty as the 360 as he would like us to believe.delta3074

The fact that he completely misconstrued the article is the cherry on top. Not even mentioning that it is quoting an article from Sept, which better detailed the yield issue. Kinda sad that people stoop this low :(

[QUOTE="delta3074"]He made this thread thinking he would be clever and try to claim ownage over 360 owners, now he's damage controlling because it backfired on him big time because the article itself is evidence against what he is suggesting in the first place, The fact that they are delaying the release says it all, That MS is not going to put another shoddy console to market, NOT evidence that the next Xbox will be as faulty as the 360 as he would like us to believe.lundy86_4

The fact that he completely misconstrued the article is the cherry on top. Not even mentioning that it is quoting an article from Sept, which better detailed the yield issue. Kinda sad that people stoop this low :(

When you've got nothing else, you have to take what you can get and hope no one notices.

Good for MS if true. Pretty sure they don't want to go through that RROD fiasco again.

Haha poor lems :lol:

Haha poor lems :lol:

Wiiyou

You don't understand at all, do you?

FOR FVCKS SAKES!!!! The fact the yields are low have NOTHING, NOTHING to with the RRoD.clyde46

1. Old as dirt.

2. How exactly do you delay something with no release date, or heck, even a launch window?

Seems pretty standard for new chips, the problem of course is will they have enough for 2013? I hope so. This generation needs to come to a swift close soon.

Seems pretty standard for new chips, the problem of course is will they have enough for 2013? I hope so. This generation needs to come to a swift close soon.

Stevo_the_gamer

Seems to me (if the report is even legit) they have ample time to correct the issue. If you were to assume a November release for the console, they shouldn't need finalized boards in quantity for over half a year from now. It's (one of) the reason(s) I take this (old) report with a huge grain of salt.

More fake crap.

AMD processor... Yeah... Right... They said they were gonna go back to IBM.

Before that it was an AMD APU...

Make your mind up trolls.

Why bring up old news?

Next gen RROD is so advanced it breaks even before release.kuraimen

More fake crap.

AMD processor... Yeah... Right... They said they were gonna go back to IBM.

Before that it was an AMD APU...

Make your mind up trolls.

Truth_Hurts_U

Xbox 720 "Yukon" has PPE and X86/ARM. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405922,00.asp

This article is based on 2-3 month old information about 720 processors having a low yield.

Quit reaching cows :lol: Microsoft actually have money unlike Sony who will released a duct-taped together PS4

RR360DD

Hi IBM/GoFlo/AMD, where's your 28nm based processors?

PS; AMD is using TSMC's 28nm process node for AMD's GCNs.

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[QUOTE="p4s2p0"]I don't, all I remember is all three were compared. Nintendo had the lowest failure rate(6-7%) with sony not far behind. I think the original xbox was 12%p4s2p0

That's not going to help validate your claim... At all.