Xbox live is the most over rated gaming service!

XBL is completely optional and not a necessity to play games on the 360. Anyone who believes otherwise is just plain ignorant. I thought the little cows would be done bashing XBL Gold after Qore starting charging for demos. Time to move on children.JimJackJose

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]everybody that did not choose "it should be free" are out of their mind. how can you not want something to be free. please explain.yoyo462001

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="MightyMuna"]everybody that did not choose "it should be free" are out of their mind. how can you not want something to be free. please explain.MightyMuna

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"]Why do people need to explain anything to you? i dont think alot of things are worth the money e.g. price of the PS3 but yet again you would argue differently. people need to stop imposing their opinions on others.UnnDunn

dude, if you actually believe that crap you just said, then I have nothing to say to you. "because a regular income stream means we get more features that we might not get if the service were free" lol, just lol.MightyMuna

Want more examples? Compare the shows on premium networks like HBO to the shows on basic cable networks like TNT. HBO shows are edgier, niche shows (Flight of the Conchords, Summer Heights High, Taxicab Confessions, etc.) because they don't have to worry about keeping advertisers happy; they get their revenue no matter what. Whereas the shows on TNT are very "safe" shows designed to attract advertisers, because if the advertisers go away, they're toast. Simple business.

Laugh all you want, but that's reality, and your scoffing just makes you look immature.

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"] dude, if you actually believe that crap you just said, then I have nothing to say to you. "because a regular income stream means we get more features that we might not get if the service were free" lol, just lol.UnnDunn

Want more examples? Compare the shows on premium networks like HBO to the shows on basic cable networks like TNT. HBO shows are edgier, niche shows (Flight of the Conchords, Summer Heights High, Taxicab Confessions, etc.) because they don't have to worry about keeping advertisers happy; they get their revenue no matter what. Whereas the shows on TNT are very "safe" shows designed to attract advertisers, because if the advertisers go away, they're toast. Simple business.

Laugh all you want, but that's reality, and your scoffing just makes you look immature.

so far all that revenue has not gotten us dedicated servers. instead we got a chat room, some communication tool, a shopping entice dashboard and some other online multiplayer unrelated features that i could care less about.

I "only" paid $30/yr for XBL ( and have for years now) and it's worth every penny to me. :)

Not worth £40 at all! PSN is free and it's great! Another reason why PS3 is better.

dude, if you actually believe that crap you just said, then I have nothing to say to you. "because a regular income stream means we get more features that we might not get if the service were free" lol, just lol.MightyMuna

Want more examples? Compare the shows on premium networks like HBO to the shows on basic cable networks like TNT. HBO shows are edgier, niche shows (Flight of the Conchords, Summer Heights High, Taxicab Confessions, etc.) because they don't have to worry about keeping advertisers happy; they get their revenue no matter what. Whereas the shows on TNT are very "safe" shows designed to attract advertisers, because if the advertisers go away, they're toast. Simple business.

Laugh all you want, but that's reality, and your scoffing just makes you look immature.

so far all that revenue has not gotten us dedicated servers. instead we got a chat room, some communication tool, a shopping entice dashboard and some other online multiplayer unrelated features that i could care less about.

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="UnnDunn"] It's simple: when you have a guaranteed revenue stream thanks to a subscription, you can budget for and plan things with a greater degree of certainty, which means you are more likely to take the financial risk of developing a new feature. Whereas if you rely on advertising or other fluctuating revenues, you will take less risks, because if you take a risk and it backfires, your revenue stream could go away at any moment. This is simple business. When you have a stable, recurring revenue stream, you can do things like Play & Wins, or Xbox All-Nighters, or GamerChix, or Inside Xbox, or the Community Developer network, or even simple things like Major Nelson's podcast. None of those things gain any revenue for Microsoft; they are all supported by the subscription fee.

Want more examples? Compare the shows on premium networks like HBO to the shows on basic cable networks like TNT. HBO shows are edgier, niche shows (Flight of the Conchords, Summer Heights High, Taxicab Confessions, etc.) because they don't have to worry about keeping advertisers happy; they get their revenue no matter what. Whereas the shows on TNT are very "safe" shows designed to attract advertisers, because if the advertisers go away, they're toast. Simple business.

Laugh all you want, but that's reality, and your scoffing just makes you look immature.

UnnDunn

so far all that revenue has not gotten us dedicated servers. instead we got a chat room, some communication tool, a shopping entice dashboard and some other online multiplayer unrelated features that i could care less about.

Then don't play on XBL. Go play on Steam or PSN.dthach614

[QUOTE="dthach614"]Then don't play on XBL. Go play on Steam or PSN.UnnDunn

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"][QUOTE="dthach614"] Steam and psn isn't available on the xbox 360.

dthach614

Put your money where your mouth is. If PSN is so great or Steam is so great, don't play on your 360 anymore. Otherwise, all you're doing is whining.

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="UnnDunn"] Then buy a PC or PS3 to play them on.

VoodooHak

Put your money where your mouth is. If PSN is so great or Steam is so great, don't play on your 360 anymore. Otherwise, all you're doing is whining.

all i see it i that it relitivly cheap if you consider how may servers they will need to mentain. easy access to vids demos etc. i don't really see why they should drop the price but i'm all ways welcolme to it happening!

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="dthach614"] then how will i play my xbox 360 game online?dthach614

Put your money where your mouth is. If PSN is so great or Steam is so great, don't play on your 360 anymore. Otherwise, all you're doing is whining.

Of course not. Those that enjoy it will stay. Those that aren't satisfied shouldn't. If you have a complaint, post it in the Xbox.com forums, in the Wish List/Suggestions thread. Write to Major Nelson. There's more probability you'll get more accomplished there.

You're definitely not going to get anything done here.

Bottom line, if you don't think the service is worth the asking price, then don't pay for it. It's not rocket science. All we're hearing from you is "WAAAHHHH!!!!"

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Put your money where your mouth is. If PSN is so great or Steam is so great, don't play on your 360 anymore. Otherwise, all you're doing is whining.

VoodooHak

Of course not. Those that enjoy it will stay. Those that aren't satisfied shouldn't. If you have a complaint, post it in the Xbox.com forums, in the Wish List/Suggestions thread. Write to Major Nelson. There's more probability you'll get more accomplished there.

You're definitely not going to get anything done here.

Bottom line, if you don't think the service is worth the asking price, then don't pay for it. It's not rocket science. All we're hearing from you is "WAAAHHHH!!!!"

there are no other option for online gaming on xbox 360dthach614

It's on the console box.

It's on the back of every case of every multiplayer enabled game.

You didn't know that XBL had a fee when you got the console? Seriously?

[QUOTE="dthach614"] there are no other option for online gaming on xbox 360VoodooHak

It's on the console box.

It's on the back of every case of every multiplayer enabled game.

You didn't know that XBL had a fee when you got the console? Seriously?

there are no other option for online gaming on xbox 360dthach614

It's on the console box.

It's on the back of every case of every multiplayer enabled game.

You didn't know that XBL had a fee when you got the console? Seriously?

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

It's on the console box.

It's on the back of every case of every multiplayer enabled game.

You didn't know that XBL had a fee when you got the console? Seriously?

UnnDunn

hahahahahaha very funny.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"][QUOTE="dthach614"] i dont care about the fee. i want something in return if ima be charge fifty bucks a year.dthach614

hahahahahaha very funny.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="dthach614"] there are no other option for online gaming on xbox 360dthach614

It's on the console box.

It's on the back of every case of every multiplayer enabled game.

You didn't know that XBL had a fee when you got the console? Seriously?

You pay a fee and you want something in return for the fee.

Ergo: you care about that fee

You've got nothing left but that bit of circular logic. Can't help you there except to provide the only solution: don't pay. If you want to just whine for a few more pages without taking some kind of action, then I'm afraid no one can really help you. Cry and moan to your heart's content.

Again XBL should be free. MS is jsut charging $50 a year for the sake of making more money.

I wouldn't mine if it was free.:x

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="UnnDunn"] Then buy a PC or PS3 to play them on.

VoodooHak

Put your money where your mouth is. If PSN is so great or Steam is so great, don't play on your 360 anymore. Otherwise, all you're doing is whining.

i don't agree. xbox live is the best thing since sliced bread

Hey I have a lot of fun on Live. It is was it is I gotta pay to play online and to me the amount of time and with all the things available to me it doesn't bother me and I don't think about it.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"] You are getting something in return: access to the best online multiplayer service on the planet.Great_Ragnarok

the one thing i don't like about live is the fact that sometimes its so slow when it comes to the downloads

i don't agree. xbox live is the best thing since sliced bread

mlbslugger86

really be honest its just not worth 50$.

I mean if they made dedicaed servers for every game and gave a brilliant lag free service

it still wouldn't justify the price. 360 is an awesome console but xbox live is poor.

and no I'm no PS3,PC or Wii fanboy. you don't need a bias view to notice that xbox live isn't fair.

but thats me, what do you think?

or and the way you take action is by exercising your consumer power. next time your xbox live account

expires don't buy more. this is the best way to send the message to MS.

check these links out.

http://store.steampowered.com/about/

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/goldBenefits.htm

http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Live/Pages/welcometolive.aspx

^Live is FREE for PC gamers!!

*edits*

1)added links for comparison.

so lets say they have dedicated servers for all games. what happens when they stop maintaining the server for a game and shut it down in a few years and you want to play it online?shoeman12

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

i don't agree. xbox live is the best thing since sliced bread

Great_Ragnarok

you don't wanna pay 50 bucks then don't.

nobody forcing you to get it....

and plus there is silver you know

i don't agree. xbox live is the best thing since sliced bread

how can somebody be so irrationally sympathetic towards MS? it's just amazing. look the point is that when you buy a game for 60$ you expect to access all the content in it! but does xbox allow that? no! because in order to access my multiplayer features I have to pay 50$ per year! that's the basic problem here. MS is forcing us to pay for something we already payed for. what's insulting is that the same live service was given to PC for free. they try to charge for it at first but the PC fans didn't take it. so they made it free. do you really want to be the only type of gamer to be ripped off by having to pay for online multiplayer?Great_Ragnarok

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"] You are getting something in return: access to the best online multiplayer service on the planet.Great_Ragnarok

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

i don't agree. xbox live is the best thing since sliced bread

mlbslugger86

you don't wanna pay 50 bucks then don't.

nobody forcing you to get it....

and plus there is silver you know

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="UnnDunn"] You are getting something in return: access to the best online multiplayer service on the planet.UnnDunn

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="dthach614"] then how will i play my xbox 360 game online?Great_Ragnarok

Put your money where your mouth is. If PSN is so great or Steam is so great, don't play on your 360 anymore. Otherwise, all you're doing is whining.

What's truly amazing is that you spend so much energy complaining, but have you done anything about it?

They offer a service and charge for it. I like the features and have no problem paying for it.

I think your expectations are out of whack. Right there on the case of every online enabled game, it says it requires Xbox Live which has a fee. If you expected it to be free, then the disappointment is all on you. At that point, you have a choice. Buy the game or not.

Did you not understand that XBL had a fee before you signed up for it?

Change happened on GFW Live because no one was subscribing. People stopped crying on the internet and exercised their fundamental right to not pay for. It's not astrophysics. It's a simple choice.

If you feel ripped off, DO something. Exercise your fundamental right and don't pay for it. That's the only way MS will hear your complaint. If you paid, then the fault is all with you.

There's no sympathy involved. Just a simple choice. I like the service, so I don't feel ripped off at all.

why? is it because Xbox360 players are the only gamers required to pay 50$ a year just to access the content they already payed for? ripoff much?Great_Ragnarok

you don't wanna pay 50 bucks then don't.

nobody forcing you to get it....

and plus there is silver you know

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"][QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"] lmao not even close. quit repeating MS statements and be honest. live is not as perfect as some of you think. Great_Ragnarok

Reasons have been listed in previous pages. You just conveniently ignore or dismiss the points made. If you don't agree with those points, then.... AGAIN.... you have a choice to make:

1. Pay for it
2. Don't pay for it

Either way, for chrissakes, stop boo-hoo-hoo-ing about it. Just man up, take a stand, and move on.

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"][QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"] lmao not even close. quit repeating MS statements and be honest. live is not as perfect as some of you think. Great_Ragnarok

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"] why? is it because Xbox360 players are the only gamers required to pay 50$ a year just to access the content they already payed for? ripoff much?Great_Ragnarok

you don't wanna pay 50 bucks then don't.

nobody forcing you to get it....

and plus there is silver you know

NO you don't. you only do If you want to

man its like all you wanna do is bash live

you think xbox live would be the way it is if it was free like PSN???

NO you don't. you only do If you want to

man its like all you wanna do is bash live

you think xbox live would be the way it is if it was free like PSN???

mlbslugger86

Actually yes it would.

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

you don't wanna pay 50 bucks then don't.

nobody forcing you to get it....

and plus there is silver you know

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

you don't wanna pay 50 bucks then don't.

nobody forcing you to get it....

and plus there is silver you know

mlbslugger86

NO you don't. you only do If you want to

man its like all you wanna do is bash live

you think xbox live would be the way it is if it was free like PSN???